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01:25 | <achandrashekar> Hello, I have been on off and on, and am working in ubuntu 7.10 ltsp 5 (edubuntu). I have been fighting a ldap installation which uses libnss that causes a system lock up on boot when it hits the klog daemon.Has someone else run into this? And what can be done??
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01:26 | I tried to get on in the morning with no responses
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01:26 | thanks in advance.
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01:28 | <johnny> and now you're here on the weekend ..
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01:28 | you sure pick the worst times
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01:29 | i wish i had enough machines to have already built such a setup :)
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01:29 | <achandrashekar> lol...yeah...its a timing issue..students all day..
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01:29 | and then...trying to build it..is weekends and after school
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01:30 | and hence its a real bitch trying to get help...i did post up to mailing list though
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01:30 | hope things are going well with you though. :)
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01:35 | <johnny> not quite
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01:35 | running into bugs with sabayon for gnome 2.22
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05:45 | <vykarian> Guys, is there a way to discover if there's more than one DHCP server at the same network? (I have a LTS network that some boxes don't get the DHCPACK from dhcpd)
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06:49 | <sickonnet> hii is there any better solution for share in LTSP than samba
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06:55 | <cyberorg> sickonnet, better? nfs or use ~/public_html for simple http sharing
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06:55 | <sickonnet> samba have user access policy
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07:09 | <sickonnet> thx cyberorg
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08:18 | <Nubae> hi, is anyone using a projector on a remote client (ie, not from server directly)?
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08:53 | I need some way of knowing when the RC_FILENN= files are being exectuted within the startup procedure...
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08:53 | for example, I have a RC_FILE00=/start/nfs.mounts.sh
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08:53 | but portmap starts after the script in place, so it doesnt work
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08:54 | nfs.mounts.sh is just for mounting /home via nfs
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08:54 | (this is for low fat client stuff btw)
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09:02 | well, I'm doing a terrible hack by starting portmap and nfs utils before the script, but it would be nice not to have to resort to this :-)
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10:06 | <laga_> has anyone tested ltsp in hardy with virtualbox as client? X freezes the VM here (in my custom image, X setup should be the same)
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10:47 | <Nubae> I've now got my 'low fat' clients finally working, except one thing, and I've really tried everything... gdm refuses to startup from the initscripts
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10:47 | if I login with root
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10:47 | and type gdm, startups up even with a nice list of all my available ldap users
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10:48 | I've tried creating an rcfilenn= script to get around this and startup gdm that way, but still doesn't work
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10:48 | screen 7 just gets to starting logs, at the point where X is supposed to start via gdm, and no go
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10:48 | <laga_> Nubae: did i talk to you about the ltsp-build-client plugin?
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10:48 | <Nubae> no
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10:49 | <laga_> ah, must have been someone else then :)
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10:49 | <laga_> Nubae: are you having that problem in hardy?
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10:49 | <Nubae> or maybe, I have mentioned ltsp-build-client and ltsp-client-core
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10:49 | I'm not trying it in hardy, but it should be independent
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10:50 | unless lots of changes have happened to ltsp-build-client and ltsp-client-core
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10:50 | which I highly doubt
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10:50 | <laga_> ah. ok, just having some odd problems in hardy with stuff that worked in gutsy, but i need to investigate more
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10:50 | <Nubae> well what is it?
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10:50 | <laga_> Nubae: gdm doesn't staret, clients boot very slow sometimes, second X start hangs the client. gotta be related to virtualbox or my network, though
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10:50 | s/stret/start/
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10:52 | <Nubae> I have vmware on my network
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10:52 | but pretty sure it doesnt affect it
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10:53 | and doing /etc/init.d/gdm restart obviously doesn't fix it :-)
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10:53 | I get this when I login with a specific user: gdm[5683]: WARNING: GDM file gdm-daemon-config.c: line 2121(): Cannot run seteuid to 0: operation not permitted
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10:54 | but thats permissions, which is fine cause I want root to start it up
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10:56 | anyway, I'm gonna test hardy 5 now
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10:56 | <cliebow> laga_, ogra was saying you might have some insight on alternate dhcp parameters passed via option 128/9?
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10:58 | <Nubae> laga_ seeing as you are running virtualisation, maybe you can help me... I'm trying to setup a network printer from within a XP image, but I'm not sure how
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10:59 | looking for the printer normally, doesnt work, I guess cause vmware will make a different subnet which is being natted to the real network
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11:09 | <Nubae> damn... I got it to work!
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11:09 | <Nubae> with an extremely ugly hack :-)
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11:10 | I made a file called RCFILE_01 = /etc/xtrascripts/startgdm.sh
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11:10 | and put int /usr/sbin/gdm in that file
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11:10 | set mode to o+x
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11:10 | and voila, it now works
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11:25 | <laga_> cliebow: um.
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11:26 | cliebow: via an option? no. i was gonna add the corresponding option to thee ipconfig call in the initramfs
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11:28 | <cliebow> oh i see..i did that long ago on the nubus Macintosh..then jammcq engineered the dhcp option
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11:29 | * laga_ doesn't know if it's working | |
11:29 | <laga_> just bent back to tinkering today and other stuff is broken (unexpectedly)
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11:31 | <cliebow> so you "could" alter the option 43 entry in the initramfs sent by client to differentiate Macintosh from i386..if you had to..for nfs monted clients?
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11:33 | i guess it is ancient technology nowadays..forget it....
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11:37 | <Nubae> laga_ any ideas about installing a printer via vmware?
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11:39 | <cyberorg> cliebow, jammcq ogra whole team, I would like to share this news with you http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/02/23/and-the-foss-india-award-goes-to/
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11:43 | <cliebow> !!!!
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11:43 | <ltspbot> cliebow: Error: "!!!" is not a valid command.
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11:43 | <cliebow> heh
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11:44 | COOL!!!
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12:24 | <cyberorg> cliebow, thanks :)
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12:25 | <cliebow> i wish my brain were as big as my heart...
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13:08 | <rjune> ?
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13:09 | <laga_> just figured out my problems. on my fat client, HAL was breaking the net connection
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13:40 | <achandrashekar> hello. i need some assistance with ldap integration with ltsp. can someone help out?
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14:13 | <steph_> Can someone confirm how the sound works with LTSP ? What I understand is that there's a sound server on the client side ( esound or pulse?) that connects to the local soundcard. That's how we can ear sound on the client side. Am I right?
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15:59 | <achandrashekar> Hello anyone have experience with skolelinux ??
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15:59 | <johnny> i've never heard anybody mention that
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15:59 | anywhere
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15:59 | on any of the20 channels i'm on
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16:00 | or in anything i've gone through on the internet
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16:00 | <cliebow> achandrashekar, ragnar pops in once in a while..he is a principal in skolelinux
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16:00 | <johnny> what is it?
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16:00 | <achandrashekar> I see its a debian variant...which includes the load balancing i need :)
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16:00 | <cliebow> ltsp in debian with an ldap piece
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16:00 | <achandrashekar> with ltsp 5
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16:01 | <johnny> it needs it's own distro?
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16:01 | <achandrashekar> well..it works.
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16:01 | :)
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16:01 | with ldap
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16:01 | and I dont have time to wait around for answers any longer
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16:01 | <johnny> sounds like they should focus on making a script for debian instead of making a whole new distro..
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16:01 | <cliebow> it is/was...ragnar didnt say much about it last time he was here
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16:01 | <achandrashekar> well they could say that about edubuntu as well no?
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16:02 | <johnny> edubuntu is
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16:02 | for hardy
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16:02 | already in process
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16:02 | <cliebow> skole was a pretty cool thing in its day..
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16:02 | <achandrashekar> its a variant of ubuntu...just like skolelinux is a variant of debian
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16:02 | <johnny> it will just be an addon cd
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16:02 | it's not a variant anymore
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16:03 | <achandrashekar> the nice thing is that it has many of the "hardships" of enterprise setup figured out...and their documentation is excellent
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16:03 | <cliebow> ach..they using ltsp5 integrated in??
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16:04 | skole was a pretty cool thing in its day..?
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16:04 | ach..they using ltsp5 integrated in skole now
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16:04 | <achandrashekar> cliebow: yes they use ltsp 5 now.. in what "looks" to be version 5
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16:05 | cliebow: and it "appears" they have some nice walk throughs to incorporate ldap auth..and load balancing features..but who knows...I might take time to install it and see.
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16:06 | <cliebow> back when i tried it..oh 2003.it was set up for 2 nics..plus i happened to pick a cpu thast was dicey ..
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16:06 | so it never was right..
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16:06 | <achandrashekar> cliebow: I have been fighting a edubuntu install with load balancing and ldap for 3 weeks now..and a server that hangs on boot. Right now Im dead in the water.
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16:07 | cliebow: Im hoping it works with a "single" nic feature, gets ldap working, and I can load balance...that is "all" im asking for.
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16:07 | I want to use such a setup for my ENTIRE environment
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16:07 | we are going MS free in 2008
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16:07 | no more BS licensing issues
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16:07 | and I have complete buy in from the entire school.
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16:07 | we're done with MS
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16:08 | <cliebow> cool!!
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16:08 | <achandrashekar> yep..so you can see my excitement, frustration, and anticipation.
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16:09 | Its been such a rough ride with not getting ldap working in edubuntu. Otherwise it is an EXCELLENT distro.
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16:09 | <cliebow> i use single nic for our high school..and also one elementary school..
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16:09 | <achandrashekar> Im just frustrated with the bug that has been around for 3 generations of ubuntu now
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16:09 | and documented
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16:09 | <johnny> you could have hired me .. :)
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16:09 | <achandrashekar> and Canonical, once called...responded with We'll get back to you..
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16:10 | so Im not sure if this one of those HUGE issues that seems to plague the distro
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16:10 | <cliebow> achandrashekar, known bug for one mobo?
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16:11 | orin ldap?
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16:15 | achandrashekar, our ogra wrote a lot of the code for edubuntu..I am sure he could point you the right direction..
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16:15 | <johnny> cliebow, he keeps missing ogra :)
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16:15 | that is the problem
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16:17 | <cliebow> must be a timezone thing..
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16:50 | <achandrashekar> sorry..for dropping off...coffee shop's wireless router took a dump
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17:00 | <cliebow> no prob
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17:02 | <achandrashekar> cliebow: well..it appears that downloading their distro is another story..it times out..lol
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17:07 | <cliebow> where was your fownfall in ubuntu?
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17:07 | where was your downfall in ubuntu?
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17:10 | <achandrashekar> well ldap authentication
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17:10 | it simply failed on bootup with libnss
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17:11 | and there has been a bug list across 6.10,7.0.4, and now 7.10
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17:12 | ALOT of people have been a bit pissed off because it makes it VERY difficult to SELL ubuntu as an ENTERPRISE solution if that very important piece does not work
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17:12 | its a bit frustrating
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17:12 | thank god....I asked the admnistration for my school to do a proof of concept
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17:12 | <cliebow> i have ldap running in edgy feisty and gutsy..if there is anything you need togo by
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17:12 | <achandrashekar> in any other case it would have been disasterous to try and sell it
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17:13 | well the smb-ldap config.. what exactly did you do to get the bootup to work
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17:13 | <cliebow> sounds like you need bind_policy soft
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17:13 | <achandrashekar> >>
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17:13 | i have that
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17:13 | i put that in nsswitch.conf and in /etc/ldap and for good measure in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf
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17:13 | <cliebow> errr...i can send you one..
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17:13 | <achandrashekar> none of which worked
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17:14 | plus I even checked my group permissions for existence of nvram and klog
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17:14 | and...lol
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17:14 | I even changed the rc daemon scripts to load on S10 instead of S18
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17:14 | <cliebow> so the sob Never started??
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17:14 | <achandrashekar> right
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17:15 | hangs on goddamn klog daemon
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17:15 | everytime
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17:15 | but if you would like to send it
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17:15 | that'd be spectacular
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17:15 | achandra@linuxpresence.com
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17:15 | thanks
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17:15 | <cliebow> i need to think for a minute....i did run into that a while ago..
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17:16 | <achandrashekar> i really like edubuntu...but i was thinking to myself....how long..before you get an answer or solution...you know?
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17:16 | :)
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17:16 | <johnny> you're doing things beyond the normal use case
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17:17 | <cliebow> any road..i'd bet we could get over that hump with Gadi and ogra in the picture on Monday..
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17:17 | <johnny> thus you have trouble finding help :)
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17:17 | <achandrashekar> according to the wiki....its very normal :)
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17:17 | at least the edubuntu one
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17:17 | <johnny> how about.. beyond the normal use case of those who don't pay for support :)
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17:17 | <achandrashekar> and im not trying to be an ass.. but if its in there and available im going for it...
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17:17 | well then why then would they put in the wiki for general install
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17:18 | it does provide a very clear install path
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17:18 | <cliebow> achandrashekar, id bet we could get it ironed out Monday
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17:18 | <achandrashekar> and i see that as norwmal
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17:18 | normal
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17:18 | this is NOT rocket science
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17:18 | <johnny> anything involving ldap sounds like rocket science to me :)
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17:19 | and i've been doing linux stuff for years :)
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17:19 | <achandrashekar> ldap "should" be a very straight forward install that should NOT cause severe system lock ups albeit with proper install...and I have checked against it...across a number of proficient admins
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17:19 | a directory...a database...a look up and then auth...straight forward.
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17:20 | anyhow...i will leave the system in question alone..and wait until monday
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17:20 | <cliebow> i wrote a bash script..cause i never could do the same thing twice without it
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17:20 | <achandrashekar> Ill have my teachers assistant just check in every so often :_
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17:20 | cliebow: I used the well documented samba-ldap script to get me going..then CLOSELY followed the edubuntu guide/wiki
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17:20 | no go.
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17:20 | btw.. i do have a question
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17:21 | <cliebow> the lockup you mean
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17:21 | <achandrashekar> right the lock up
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17:21 | you did place the boot_soft yes in /etc/ldap.conf or /etc/ldap/ldap.conf
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17:21 | ??
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17:21 | <cliebow> i will look to be sure
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17:21 | <achandrashekar> thanks
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17:22 | <johnny> one day i will get enough clients to use such a setup
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17:23 | <cliebow> absolutely it is in /etc/ldap.conf
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17:23 | <achandrashekar> johhny: i hear you...why not set it up with a set of cheapy boxes as a "lab" scenario to see if it works
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17:24 | <johnny> like i can afford that
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17:24 | or have the space for it
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17:24 | <cliebow> host 127.0.0.1
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17:24 | bind_policy soft
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17:24 | base dc=surryes,dc=org
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17:24 | ldap_version 3
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17:24 | rootbinddn cn=root,dc=surryes,dc=org
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17:24 | scope sub
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17:24 | <johnny> pastebin cliebow :)
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17:24 | <achandrashekar> cliebow: okay...and also..there is an /etc/ldap/ldap.conf that is there too right?
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17:24 | <johnny> hehe
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17:24 | <achandrashekar> ;)
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17:24 | <cliebow> yeah..ill pastebot that..
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17:25 | <achandrashekar> okay the difference between those two is??
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17:25 | <johnny> ther's room for no more than 5 clients at my current ltsp install place
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17:25 | <achandrashekar> i see
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17:25 | <johnny> i'm trying to find another
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17:25 | to setup a freegeek
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17:25 | but that'll be awhile away
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17:25 | <cliebow> hehe..not a durn thing enabled in /etc/ldfap/ldap.conf
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17:26 | <achandrashekar> in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf nothing...okay
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17:26 | okay let me play around with it one last time
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17:26 | <cliebow> usually there is a BASE
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17:26 | <achandrashekar> and we will see what happens
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17:27 | <cliebow> achandrashekar, Ill ask around #openldap if you like..
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17:27 | <achandrashekar> sure...i dont know if they answer such "ubuntu specific questions"
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17:27 | they may say "compile from source dude!"
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17:27 | lol
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17:28 | <cliebow> i just cant remember where i found the answer..
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17:28 | there are a few i talk with..gagatan...
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17:29 | <achandrashekar> cliebow: sounds good. and I provided my email earlier in the thread. feel free to email if you wish and ill hang out in here as well
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17:29 | my new home....ahhhhhh
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17:29 | :)
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17:30 | <cliebow> there are wicked good people here...
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17:31 | <johnny> are you just wicked? :)
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17:31 | <achandrashekar> yeah...there are...even with my impatience they are willing to help...johnny has been great as well with you
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17:31 | i appreciate it greatly
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17:31 | <johnny> my only issue is finding a way to get paid to do this stuff :)
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17:31 | it's more fun than what i normally do
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17:32 | which is screw around making nasty websites for people
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17:33 | this one site i'm working on, he wants it to be split up into a 3x3 table
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17:33 | <achandrashekar> well..with a little joomla action, and this...you are very marketable to schools
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17:33 | <johnny> joomla is dumb
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17:33 | <achandrashekar> id try to hit them up
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17:33 | <johnny> i hate joomlah
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17:33 | <achandrashekar> on the contrary..but each to his own
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17:33 | <johnny> it's a nasty hack
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17:33 | <johnny> the api is weak
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17:34 | <achandrashekar> i thought you said you wanted to get paid...:)
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17:34 | stupid--$$ some times
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17:34 | <johnny> the only thing hacky i might want to work on is moodle
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17:34 | <achandrashekar> we have that here also
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17:34 | the point is...when you are working on cool things like ltsp
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17:34 | <johnny> but it needs heavy architecture work
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17:35 | <achandrashekar> do you want to be managing content as well
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17:35 | let the administrators and teachers do that
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17:35 | <johnny> obviously
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17:35 | <achandrashekar> not so stupid now
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17:35 | <johnny> there are better solutions
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17:35 | <achandrashekar> its about...what you can manage in the day
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17:35 | <johnny> ones that will grow
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17:35 | instead of short sighted hacks
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17:35 | where 2 years down the road it costs double the maintain
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17:35 | <achandrashekar> look at me for example stuck trying to get help on weekends and nights
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17:35 | but we are off topic
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17:35 | <johnny> because of poor design decisions
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17:35 | <achandrashekar> sorry
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17:36 | <johnny> at least i trust the ltsp guys to do the best with what they have
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17:37 | <achandrashekar> speaking of shortsighted hacks --- libnss in edubuntu??lol
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17:37 | <johnny> that's normal atm
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17:37 | afaik
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17:38 | short sighted hacks get time tested after many years :)
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18:09 | <achandrashekar> cliebow: are you familiar with what the rootbinddn parameter does? in ldap?
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18:48 | <cliebow__> achandrashekar, defines name of root admin user..
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18:54 | <achandrashekar> cliebow__: thank you very much...the system boots up now..
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18:54 | :)
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18:54 | <cliebow__> really!!!!!
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18:54 | <achandrashekar> cliebow__: it appears that the samba-ldap script mangles the ldap.conf file pretty bad
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18:54 | and causes the system not to boot
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18:54 | <cliebow__> i'll be damned!!
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18:54 | <achandrashekar> I simplified it
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18:54 | and it boots now
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18:55 | i hope i can get a bit more help from you
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18:55 | i created a user using smbldap-add
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18:55 | <achandrashekar> and then set the password
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18:55 | <cliebow__> cool! when you want t play with some ldap manipulation scripts ill send you some stuff..
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18:55 | <achandrashekar> but i cannot log in
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18:55 | i installed php admin
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18:55 | and i see the user
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18:55 | <cliebow__> that on windows?
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18:56 | <achandrashekar> no on linux
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18:56 | with apt-get
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18:56 | and then its a webbased configuration/viewer
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18:56 | btw..we should note somewhere that the samba-ldap installer causes issues with 7.10
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18:56 | it is very important
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18:56 | <cliebow__> id smbldap-add??
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18:57 | <achandrashekar> type that in??
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18:57 | id smbldap-add into the console?
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18:57 | <cliebow__> yeah
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18:57 | <achandrashekar> no such user
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18:58 | but the command appears to work
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18:58 | did i miss something here?
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18:58 | <cliebow__> you need a browser..to see what is there..i use ldapbrowser282b2
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18:59 | <achandrashekar> yes...i have that....phpldapadmin does that
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18:59 | <cliebow__> Come Monday i can work with you..
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18:59 | <achandrashekar> okay..
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19:00 | <cliebow__> with ldapasearch from cli
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19:00 | <achandrashekar> i found the id - 1000
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19:00 | <cliebow__> moquist Wrote smbldap-installer..he is around here..
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19:00 | not tonight though
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19:01 | <achandrashekar> okay
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19:01 | will do
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19:06 | <cliebow__> Good job getting it going!
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19:08 | <steph_> Hi everybody. I would like to know how a client produce sound locally. Does the client absolutely needs pulse?
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