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| 12:00 | <muppis> I just don't understand. Client cannot connect to nbd-server, but if try with telnet it connects nicely.
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| 12:09 | <Skateboss> can anyone tell me if its possible to have different desktops for different users? thanks
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| 12:17 | <chrisjrob> Skateboss: lts.conf LDM_SESSION i believe
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| 12:18 | <Skateboss> chrisjrob: thanks, i mean like a different setting for each user that logs in
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| 12:18 | <chrisjrob> just set up lts.conf for each user - do you need me to explain that further?
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| 12:19 | <Skateboss> yeah whats the variable for each user?
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| 12:19 | i know u can do mac adress etc etc
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| 12:19 | <chrisjrob> just have sections with the IP Address or MAC address...
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| 12:19 | just add LDM_SESSION in each sextion
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| 12:20 | <Skateboss> aah thats my problem i want it so that desktops follow users around
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| 12:20 | <chrisjrob> umm s/sextion/session/ oops
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| 12:20 | Skateboss: ah, so sorry, makes sense.
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| 12:20 | not to my knowledge, hopefully someone else knows
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| 12:20 | <Skateboss> yeah lol
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| 12:21 | <chrisjrob> that is an issue with lts.conf generally
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| 12:21 | for example i would like sound/devices to work regardless of terminal
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| 12:22 | <Skateboss> basically this is for home use so i am gonna have thin client in each room.. but want it to follow people as they log in so that they get their own desktop
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| 12:22 | <chrisjrob> do you mean "desktop" or do you mean "desktop environment"?
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| 12:22 | i read your request as the latter
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| 12:23 | if you simply want different accounts/desktops, then surely that's what a default ltsp gives you anyway
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| 12:24 | <Skateboss> i wanna be able to rdp into a different virtual machine for each user that logs in
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| 12:25 | there must be a way in linux (other than lts.conf) to specify a users screens
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| 12:26 | <chrisjrob> sounds like a complex home set-up
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| 12:27 | <Skateboss> yah, im into it lol
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| 12:27 | * chrisjrob ponders | |
| 12:27 | <ogra_> lts.conf is bound to the thin client ... doesnt help much if your users log in on different machines
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| 12:27 | <Skateboss> its a hobby
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| 12:28 | yh thats my problem ogra_
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| 12:28 | <ogra_> what you want is a ~/.dmrfc in the users homw for each user that doesnt use the default session
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| 12:28 | *home
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| 12:28 | *.dmrc
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| 12:28 | <Skateboss> any tuts around on how to set that up?
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| 12:29 | <ogra_> easiest might be to log in locally on the server once fore each user (if you dont have 1000s indeed) and just select a different session in the local login manager
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| 12:30 | gdm as well as lightdm will create the file then
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| 12:30 | <Skateboss> i cant do it that way as i need it to rdesktop to a different vm for each user
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| 12:30 | <ogra_> alternatively if you have many users, do it once for every session type you want and copy around the .dmrc
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| 12:31 | well, .dmrc is the linux way to specify the session ... no idea whats the windows (rdesktop) way :)
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| 12:32 | <stgraber> if you have one Windows VM per user and want to choose the rdesktop target based on the login, there's simply no way to do it. Sorry
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| 12:32 | * ogra_ suspected that | |
| 12:32 | <chrisjrob> well not from the client, nothing to stop you having a linux desktop that launches RDP fullscreen over the top - not optimal, but should work
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| 12:32 | <stgraber> if you use ldm's RDP plugin instead of ltsp's rdesktop session, it's not completely impossible to do but you'll need to add that logic in the C code and build a new version of ldm
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| 12:33 | <ogra_> and should submit that upstresam as a patch indeed ;)
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| 12:34 | <stgraber> chrisjrob: even doing that, authentication will be tricky as he has one server per user so I'm guessing no central way of validating the user. You'd basically have to check the login/password against each of the VMs and if one succeed, then open a local session and start rdesktop to it.
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| 12:34 | <Skateboss> hmm sounds like a lot of work, maybe somthing for the developers of ltsp to work on in future versions, being that things are going virtual lol
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| 12:35 | <chrisjrob> stgraber: well, rdesktop can take a password file from the users home somewhere - not ideal of course, but this is a home set-up
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| 12:36 | not ideal to be running a thin client within a thin client, but for most uses it should be fine
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| 12:36 | <Skateboss> cant u just do rdesktop -u BLAH -p - and it will ask you for the password
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| 12:36 | <chrisjrob> of coruse
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| 12:36 | but that means each user logging in twice
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| 12:36 | <Skateboss> yh but it would do what i need for now
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| 12:37 | <stgraber> chrisjrob: sure, the rdesktop part is easy. What I was saying is the local login part isn't, unless you're fine having a different local and remote password
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| 12:38 | Skateboss: well, if you want a real VDI setup that works, buy Windows 2008 + some real VDI infrastructure and Windows 2008's connection broker will do the session redirection and start the VMs
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| 12:38 | Skateboss: and that's what I tested when I wrote that plugin :)
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| 12:39 | <stgraber> so for real profesionnal setup, it works fine, but it costs > $15000 of licenses that you probably don't want for a home setup :)
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| 12:39 | <Skateboss> nooooo lol
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| 12:40 | i looked at trials of citrix / vmwares vmware view options but they only deliver windows desktops, i want to have the option of using linux or windows
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| 12:41 | <chrisjrob> Skateboss: you can have a linux desktop and windows applications running over RDP seamlessly on the desktop
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| 12:41 | that's how we have it here
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| 12:42 | <Skateboss> the windows part is mainly for the kids, the like windows so i really want the whole thing at their screens
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| 12:43 | i guess i could just create a user for each thin client then tell them which (ctrl + alt + fn) keys are theirs
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| 12:43 | <chrisjrob> Skateboss: kids = games = disaster over RDP
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| 12:44 | <Skateboss> lol, they dont really play games on pc, they got xbox for that
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| 12:44 | <chrisjrob> ah good
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| 12:46 | <Skateboss> yh i cant be doing with upgrading hardware every 6 months just so that they can play the latest games :)
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| 12:47 | <stgraber> chrisjrob: it's actually getting better, if you use a recent xfreerdp instead of rdesktop and have a recent Windows server (>= 2008 R2 SP1), then you can turn on RemoteFX (you'll need 3D hardware in the server too) which will give you some compositing and 3D rendering over RDP
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| 12:47 | <Skateboss> cool
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| 12:47 | <stgraber> chrisjrob: then you can also use RemoteApp and get proper seamless (instead of the hack that's in rdesktop), but these are fairly new features, they work in my test VM but that's about it :)
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| 12:48 | <Skateboss> stgraber: do you work for microsoft?
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| 12:48 | <stgraber> Skateboss: quite the opposite ;) I work for Canonical and used to work for Revolution Linux as the project leader for ltsp-cluster :)
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| 12:49 | <Skateboss> thats so cool :)
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| 12:49 | <ogra_> lol
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| 12:49 | <Skateboss> sorry about the insult lol
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| 12:49 | <chrisjrob> stgraber: i had no idea, this is the freerdp project? think they've just announced that they're re-writing to move to apache licence, guess that will delay matters :(
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| 12:50 | but rdesktop does seem to be as good as dead
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| 12:50 | fortunately it works well enough
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| 12:51 | <stgraber> chrisjrob: yeah, that's freerdp. Last I talked to the upstream they were pretty much done with the rewrite. I'm usually running the daily PPA, it crashes but quite rarely and only when playing with some of the new features
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| 12:52 | <chrisjrob> stgraber: I have a couple of honda dealerships, which are running LTSP on 25 desktops each, this would seriously make my day if it worked well
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| 12:52 | we *have* to have Internet Explorer sadly
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| 12:52 | <ogra_> just use wine ;)
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| 12:52 | <chrisjrob> i did try for a while
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| 12:53 | using ies4linux, but it developed a massive problem
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| 12:53 | since then i have tried unsuccessfully using winetricks etc
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| 12:53 | main issue is that it has to support active-x
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| 12:53 | <stgraber> yeah, used to have a few customers like that with some websites requiring IE6+activex ... at least Microsoft is trying to get people to upgrade to IE8 or IE9 that are more standard compatible, forcing app developers to respect standard and so making their stuff work with firefox ;)
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| 12:53 | <chrisjrob> which recent versions of wine do, in theory
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| 12:54 | <Skateboss> thanks for all the help guys
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| 12:54 | <chrisjrob> I spoke to honda europe about it, and basically they said "yes we know, yes we'd like to change, but it'll cost millions and we're not doing it in this economy"
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| 12:55 | which i guess is fair enough, at least they know they should ditch IE and active-x
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| 12:56 | <stgraber> yeah, I guess they'll stick to it as long as Windows 2003 is supported, once they end up with an unsupported TS server and an unsupported web browser, it's time to invest and update the web app to respect current standards :)
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| 12:56 | <chrisjrob> interesting, will they not be able to keep active-x working on 2008+?
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| 12:57 | gives me hope :)
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| 12:57 | <stgraber> well, you don't get IE6 on 2008, so unless their code isn't as bad as what I've seen, they'd have to do a massive port to get it running on IE8/IE9
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| 12:58 | and usually at this point it's worth just moving to something that doesn't rely on activex :)
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| 12:58 | <chrisjrob> hmm, we're using IE8 to access it
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| 12:58 | * chrisjrob looks confused | |
| 12:59 | <stgraber> oh, ok, then you're lucky, it's not as bad as what I've seen :)
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| 12:59 | bad news is that they can probably run that on win2008 then and so may keep it for quite a while :)
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| 13:00 | <chrisjrob> noooooo
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| 15:53 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 16:25 | <mgariepy> hello jim
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| 16:25 | how do you do ?
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| 16:41 | <jammcq> mgariepy: hey
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| 16:42 | doing well, how's life up in sherbrooke ?
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| 16:45 | <mgariepy> it's great.
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| 16:45 | how you doing ?
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| 16:46 | <jammcq> doing well. looking forward to a couple days off around the holidays
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| 18:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: ping?
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| 18:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: I have created that kernel patch we were discussing last week, and want to test it prior to submitting upsteam
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| 18:30 | stgraber: I know it's a simple fix, but I want to be sure it's properly tested by myself prior to submitting to 12.04
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| 19:45 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: yeah, I also usually like to do that but tend not to do it for kernel patches, takes too long to test :)
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| 19:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: I figure since it's my first time and all, I should at least learn the process :)
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| 19:46 | I think I am on the way with that on my own. no problem
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| 19:46 | downloading source kernel now
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| 19:46 | stgraber: however, I am trying to figure out where I should submit this patch. Which package do you recommend?
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| 19:51 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: just do it like I did in that bug report I pointed you to. I think it was against the "linux" package which is the generic one for kernel bugs
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| 19:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> copy that
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| 19:53 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: then the kernel team should review that fairly quickly (if not, just poke me and I'll nag them), then push to the upstream kernel for you
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| 19:56 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: for that kind of small kernel fixes, I guess the easiest is indeed to take a clean kernel tree, apply the patch, copy the kernel config from /boot/config* and then use make-kpkg to get a kernel package
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| 19:56 | that's not the way the Ubuntu kernel team does it but their way takes a lot longer (6-8 times the time) and is a lot more complicated
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| 19:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'll be honest: this is a simple process for me to just submit the patch instead of testing
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| 19:57 | and it's a guaranteed fix
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| 19:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> the only thing that changes is the model_name between the unit you submitted, and the one I am submitting
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| 19:58 | <stgraber> yeah, the only thing to confirm is that the DMI entry indeed matches the model of the thin client, but you can do that in 10s by looking in /sys :)
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| 19:59 | stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ubuntu-archive-tools$ cat /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/sys_vendor
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| 19:59 | LENOVO
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| 19:59 | stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ubuntu-archive-tools$ cat /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/product_name
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| 19:59 | 514328U
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| 19:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> yep
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| 19:59 | already did that :)
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| 19:59 | <stgraber> right, so indeed a guaranteed fix then :)
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| 20:00 | you may want to paste the output of these two and the output of "xrandr" in your bug report so the kernel team can sanity check the patch quickly
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| 20:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> k, sounds good
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| 20:02 | <stgraber> mgariepy: ^ (same recommendations when you send your bug reports and patches ;))
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