IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 17 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:35 | <friendly_fire> are clients supposed to be chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386 by default, or do I need to do that with pam?
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| 00:35 | <johnny> friendly_fire , are you having a problem?
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| 00:36 | the client install can be modified by using the chroot, but the clients are *not* chrooted there
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| 00:36 | <friendly_fire> oh
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| 00:36 | i think i get it then
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| 00:36 | i was expecting them to be on /home in that, and not the real /home
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| 00:36 | <johnny> the clients have a copy of /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 00:36 | that they use to boot from
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| 00:37 | either via nfs by mounting it
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| 00:37 | or by default ubuntu via nbd
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| 00:37 | which actually serves a squashfs image
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| 00:37 | so they are getting served animage generated by the chroot (thus ltsp-update-image)
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| 00:38 | <friendly_fire> what i'm having is i boot a client, i make a file on the desktop, and that file is placed in /home/user/Desktop
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| 00:38 | <johnny> on the server
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| 00:38 | ?
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| 00:38 | <friendly_fire> and not in /opt/ltsp/i386/home/...
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| 00:38 | is that the idea?
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| 00:38 | yes, on the server
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| 00:38 | <johnny> yes
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| 00:38 | that's how it is
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| 00:38 | <friendly_fire> ok, if that's how it is that's fine. I was thinking it would all be in /opt
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| 00:38 | <johnny> :)
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| 00:38 | well there ya go :)
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| 00:39 | <friendly_fire> thanks a lot for that help, really clears some stuff up
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| 00:39 | <johnny> feel free to ask anything else..
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| 00:39 | about ltsp that is :)
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| 00:39 | <friendly_fire> will do, thanks
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| 05:34 | <Zyna_> what a perfect timing for 24h dc
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| 07:14 | <cyberorg> warren, could you please add Changelog to ltspfs, build fails "Makefile.am: required file `./ChangeLog' not found"
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| 08:24 | <jammcq> hey Ogra
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| 08:25 | enjoying Prague ?
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| 08:30 | <ogra> yep :)
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| 08:30 | lots of beer with davidz :)
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| 08:33 | jammcq, i'll get him drunk enought to promise us a ltsp/network capable dbus ;)
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| 08:33 | <jammcq> heh
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| 08:33 | <stgraber> :)
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| 08:33 | <jammcq> ahh, UDS, the memories :)
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| 08:34 | <stgraber> it's not UDS yet :) it's FOSSCamp
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| 08:34 | <ogra> aka relaxing with upstream ;)
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| 08:36 | <jammcq> ahh
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| 08:44 | <edubuntu_ltsp> hi there
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| 09:38 | <warren> cyberorg: that's a mkdst bug
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| 09:38 | cyberorg: fix is already committed, but I need to push the new mkdst
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| 09:39 | <cyberorg> warren, no, i don't use mkdst
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| 09:40 | <warren> cyberorg: you should be using mkdst to generate the tarball at least.
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| 09:40 | <cyberorg> we should be manually doing touch Changelog, it should be present already or may be ./autogen.sh should create it
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| 09:40 | *shouldn't
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| 09:40 | <warren> it is a stupid autoconf bug that it wants a specific filename and fails without it
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| 09:41 | but no, I am not adding an empty ChangeLog to the source repo
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| 09:42 | <cyberorg> start adding things in Changelog, so packagers know what changed
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| 09:42 | <warren> no
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| 09:42 | we decided for that package that ChangeLog is generated by mkdst directly from the bzr log
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| 09:43 | mkdst tar is the official way to create tarballs from the bzr tree.
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| 09:43 | LTSP upstream official
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| 09:45 | mkdst tar --from-tag=0.5.2 in this case
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| 09:45 | <cyberorg> ok, hopefully now we will see upstream release tarballs
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| 11:17 | <zeltron> Hi !
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| 11:17 | Everybody' sleeping or can I ask a question ?
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| 11:18 | <nobios> ask it
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| 11:19 | <zeltron> Thanks. I'm trying to make ltsp5 work with Debian Etch
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| 11:19 | I can't boot on the nbi.img
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| 11:19 | It's loaded on the thin client, but when it tries to boot,
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| 11:20 | I got a message like : it isn't initrd (bad magic number)
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| 11:20 | and then the client reboots
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| 11:21 | <klausade> zeltron: don't ask to ask, just ask. upload errormessages (might be something in syslog) to some paste-service
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| 11:21 | <zeltron> During ltsp-build-client, I got a message (when installing linux kernel 2..6.18-486) like this :
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| 11:23 | Hmmm ! package shipped with a symbolic link to sources, but not found, therefor removing source directory
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| 11:23 | (it's not the exact message, just what I kept in memory)
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| 11:24 | Klausade : I didn't know if the channel was working on week end ;-)
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| 11:24 | <rat> i need to boot from my hard disk
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| 11:24 | pls help me with procedure
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| 11:25 | anybody here
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| 11:26 | <zeltron> Can't upload errormessages, I'm home, and the server is shut down at work
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| 11:27 | <rat> no i jst want like have hard disk in my client so i want to put the image of boot disk in hard disk
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| 11:27 | so it initializes the network
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| 11:29 | <klausade> zeltron: hehe, not working in the weekend .... That would be the day.
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| 11:29 | <zeltron> I already tried a lot of issues, I made it work with Ubuntu, search for a long time on the net, but found no answer
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| 11:30 | Klausade : I'm not working on the week end, but though, I'm on the channel trying to find a solution ;-)
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| 11:31 | In fact, the only solution I see is trying to get an nbi.img from a server that works under Debian Etch
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| 11:32 | or someone who could explain to me how is build this file, then I can try to build it by myself and see if it works
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> zeltron: it would be most helpful if you could ask the questions while you have access to your server and thin-clients
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| 11:34 | <zeltron> vagrantc : Yes, I know, but when I posted on the channel this week, someone said : this is a problem for vagrantc,
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| 11:34 | Trying to connect today and I saw you were here, so I hoped ...
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| 11:36 | But maybe we could take a rendez vous on this channel for last week and try to resolv this problem when I'm in front of the machine ?
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> i'd be glad to help, it's just nearly impossible to help without having access to the machines
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| 11:40 | <zeltron> vagrantc : it's ok. When do you think we can meet here next week ? (last week, everytime I was connected, you were not)
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> zeltron: though, if you're using a recent version of etherboot everywhere, it probably supports PXE, and the simplest option would be to point dhcpd.conf's filename to just load pxelinux.0
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| 11:41 | <zeltron> My dhcp server propose the choice between pxelinux and nbi, but thinclients always "chooses" nbi
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| 11:42 | (lines : if vendor.... pxe else nbi)
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> yes, you could try hard-coding it to use pxelinux
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| 11:43 | <zeltron> I'm not a "pro" with thin clients, it's my first try... I'm not sure I've understood everything about this
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc> none of us understand everything... at least the people being honest
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| 11:44 | <zeltron> My clients seem (for what I can understand) to boot with etherboot
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> yes, and recent versions of etherboot can pretend to be PXE clients.
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| 11:45 | so try feeding them the stuff for PXE.
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| 11:45 | <zeltron> I already tried to force client boot on pxelinux, but it didn't work (don't remember the message, but I noted it at work)
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 11:46 | did the systems come with etherboot pre-installed?
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| 11:47 | or could you try with a boot floppy or boot CD?
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| 11:47 | !bootfloppy
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| 11:47 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 11:47 | <zeltron> Sorry I must leave (it's week end and I've got to take back my children). Hope we can meet soon on the channel
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| 11:47 | boot from a floppy : it's for a room for students, not really adapted !
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| 11:49 | Must leave. Bye.
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| 15:53 | <sean_> hi, my client is getting a lease but then i get tftp - pxe-t01 - file not found
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| 15:53 | <johnny> ...
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| 15:53 | more info..
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| 15:56 | <sean_> sorry, this is my first install, the documenation seems to skip over this pivoting of control through dhcp, so I'm not sure how the client actually gets it files
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| 15:57 | <johnny> distro
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| 15:57 | ?
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| 15:57 | <sean_> other than some magical force
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| 15:57 | ubuntu
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| 15:57 | <johnny> version
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| 15:57 | c'mon guy.. help me help you
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| 15:57 | <sean_> hardy heron
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| 15:57 | amd 64
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| 15:57 | packages installed from repos
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| 15:57 | one nic
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| 15:58 | <johnny> do you have /opt/ltsp/i386 ? and a reference to tftp in /etc/inetd.conf ?
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| 15:58 | assuming your thin clients are i386 ...
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| 15:59 | <sean_> sean@irvltsp:/opt/ltsp$ ls /opt/ltsp/
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| 15:59 | amd64 images
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| 15:59 | that's a no
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| 15:59 | don't have a inetd.conf file at all
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| 15:59 | <johnny> are your thin clients i386 ?
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| 16:00 | <sean_> yes
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| 16:00 | <johnny> rm -rf /opt/ltsp/amd64 and run ltsp-build-client -a i386
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| 16:00 | did you install ltsp-server-standalone ? or just ltsp-server ?
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| 16:01 | <sean_> just ltsp-server I think
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| 16:01 | <johnny> so you have a seperate dhcp server?
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| 16:01 | <sean_> I'm getting a usage message on that build client command
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| 16:01 | <johnny> if you have /etc/ltsp/ with some dhcpcd file in it. then you installed
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| 16:02 | show me
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| 16:02 | err then you installed standalone
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| 16:02 | <sean_> sean@irvltsp:/opt/ltsp$ ltsp-build-client -a i386
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| 16:02 | /usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client: invalid option -- a
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| 16:02 | LTSP Build Client usage:
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| 16:02 | <johnny> oh.. maybe it has to be --arch=i386
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| 16:02 | suprised it doesn't support the short option
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| 16:02 | ltsp-update-image does..
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| 16:03 | <sean_> ok that's working
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| 16:03 | <johnny> so, do you have a file in /etc/ltsp with dhcpcd in the name /
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| 16:04 | err dhcpd *
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| 16:04 | <sean_> yes, I appear to have installed both
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| 16:04 | <johnny> standalone installs server
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| 16:04 | <sean_> ok
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| 16:04 | <johnny> it just brings in a dhcp server and other friends
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| 16:04 | do you have another dhcp server on your network?
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| 16:05 | <sean_> well I knew the server was working, because the client was getting a lease
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| 16:05 | on the router, it's turned off
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| 16:05 | <johnny> here's what happens
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| 16:05 | 1. network boot
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| 16:05 | 2. get dhcp lease
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| 16:05 | 3. download kernel and initramfs via tftp
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| 16:06 | 4. boot off that kernel, load rootfs
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| 16:06 | what does the section say in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-dhcpd.conf
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| 16:06 | or whatever it's called.
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| 16:07 | should have something related to your netboot setup.. i forget which, as i don't use that dhcp server
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| 16:07 | <sean_> sean@irvltsp:~$ cat /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 16:07 | #
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| 16:07 | # Default LTSP dhcpd.conf config file.
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| 16:07 | #
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| 16:07 | authoritative;
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| 16:07 | subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
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| 16:07 | range 192.168.1.20 192.168.1.25;
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| 16:07 | <johnny> don't do that!
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| 16:07 | <sean_> option domain-name "example.com";
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| 16:07 | option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.254;
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| 16:07 | option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255;
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| 16:07 | option routers 192.168.1.254;
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| 16:07 | # next-server 192.168.0.1;
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| 16:07 | # get-lease-hostnames true;
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| 16:07 | option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
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| 16:07 | <laga> oh hey! thanks, i've always wanted to see a default dhcpd.conf.
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| 16:07 | <sean_> option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 16:07 | if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
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| 16:07 | filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 16:07 | } else {
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| 16:08 | filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 16:08 | }
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| 16:08 | }
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| 16:08 | sorry., sip of the finger
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| 16:08 | <johnny> please never paste files longer than afew lines again
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| 16:08 | <sean_> l
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| 16:08 | I have edited some of that
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| 16:08 | <johnny> see.. it's looking for i386
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| 16:08 | and you didn't have that
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| 16:08 | <sean_> yes, I see
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| 16:08 | cool
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| 16:08 | <johnny> are you sure you hvae no references to tftp in /etc/inetd.conf ?
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| 16:08 | could you pastebin it ?
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| 16:08 | <sean_> could I have just changed it amd?
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| 16:09 | <johnny> no.. your i386 clients wouldn't work
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| 16:09 | <sean_> ok
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| 16:10 | #:BOOT: TFTP service is provided primarily for booting. Most sites
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| 16:10 | # run this only on machines acting as "boot servers."
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| 16:10 | tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 16:10 | yes, it is there
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| 16:11 | build client ahs finished, do I need to restart anything
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| 16:11 | wow, it's booting
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| 16:12 | that's phenomenal
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| 16:12 | and now the login screen on the client
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| 16:13 | if I'd known it was that easy I'd have done it years ago
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| 16:13 | thank you very much johnny
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| 16:15 | <sean_> hmm, mouse on the clients not working
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| 16:16 | which seems irrelevant after the triumph of getting ltsp working
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| 16:36 | <Zyna> what do I have to do to my client station now to boot ltsp-server on my ubuntu?
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| 16:45 | <johnny> that's too broad of a question
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| 16:46 | <Zyna> well, as far as I understood I have to setup my grub to boot via LAN... but I'd need details on that
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| 16:46 | <johnny> no.. you don't use grub normally
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| 16:48 | if your clients can pxe boot, then that's all you need
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| 16:48 | after installing the necessary packages
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| 16:55 | <bahadunn> hi
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| 16:56 | I have a ubuntu LTSP server running in kvm and I am trying to network boot a real machine and also other guest machines using kvm but they all hang after getting an ip and loading the image
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| 16:56 | any ideas?
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| 17:00 | <johnny> need more info
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| 17:00 | <bahadunn> like what?
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| 17:00 | <johnny> you tell me
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| 17:00 | don't know anything about kvm really
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| 17:00 | or how it might affect the network stack.. like whether you're using bridged or nat
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| 17:01 | <bahadunn> kvm is a linux virtualization
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| 17:01 | <johnny> i know what it is.. just not how it works
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| 17:01 | <bahadunn> I am using bridged
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| 17:01 | actually now that you mentioned bridged I think that might be the problem
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| 17:01 | I seem to vaguely recall something about briding and certain network things not working together well
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| 17:02 | <johnny> well i'm using bridged with virtualbox, and it works fine
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| 17:02 | with ltsp that is
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| 17:02 | but then again.. my dhcp server is external
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| 17:02 | it does get the image and boot from the virtualbox image, and vice versa on my gentoo ltsp setup
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| 17:02 | the virtualbox bridged client boots from my host ltsp server on that too
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| 17:03 | <bahadunn> I also have a dhcp server
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| 17:03 | <johnny> is it setup correctly?
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| 17:03 | <bahadunn> I mean a seperate one outside of a vm
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| 17:03 | yes it is setup correctly but not for ltsp
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| 17:03 | <johnny> does it tell where to find your image file and stuff?
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| 17:03 | <bahadunn> I will need to configure it for that
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| 17:03 | <johnny> modify the config to match /etc/ltsp/ltsp-dhcpd.conf
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| 17:03 | and use next-server
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| 17:03 | <bahadunn> okay
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| 17:03 | <johnny> to tell it to point to your vm IP
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| 17:03 | <bahadunn> okay
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| 17:19 | <Zyna> hm... I managed to get into the docking station's cmos and set to boot 'LAN' however it still boots the firmware
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| 17:20 | from within the firmware I can build up a ssh connection to the host
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| 17:26 | <johnny> firmware ?
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| 17:26 | why your docking station cmos ?
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