IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 31 January 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:36 | <vagrantc> sirderigo: depending on the version, you could just install the ltsp-client packages on debian, but it will require a fair amount of understanding ltsp.
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| 00:36 | to get all the moving parts to work together
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| 00:37 | sirderigo: so to answer your initial question, it's definitely possible.
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| 00:37 | sirderigo: for starters, you'll need to change your boot parameters to include: init=/sbin/init-ltsp
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| 00:39 | and the version sdon't need to match that much... but very old versions might have more issues, sure.
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| 00:40 | * vagrantc isn't impressed with berryterminal | |
| 00:40 | <vagrantc> but i'm biased, being that it's not hard to use raspbian and LTSP to do the same thing, without a single-purpose OS without the flexibility of a full distro.
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| 00:45 | <sirderigo> vagrantc: excuse me, i was afk.
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| 00:45 | <vagrantc> no worries, i took hours to respond. that's how irc works sometimes :)
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| 00:45 | although i'm about to disappear again
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| 00:46 | <sirderigo> vagrantc: so, if i install ltsp-client and change the init to init-ltsp, it should work?
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| 00:46 | vagrantc: dissapearing is always fun :D
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| 00:46 | <vagrantc> sirderigo: more-or-less
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| 00:46 | <sirderigo> can you wait just 2 minutes while i test it?
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| 00:46 | <vagrantc> sirderigo: might be other gotchas ... there are some incompatibilities with ldm, but the workarounds are reasonable.
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| 00:47 | i'll wait as long as i wait :)
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| 00:47 | <sirderigo> vagrantc: thanks
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| 00:57 | <vagrantc> sirderigo: any luck?
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| 00:57 | <sirderigo> vagrantc: not yet. Raspbian is kind of different.
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| 00:57 | * vagrantc nods | |
| 00:58 | <vagrantc> sirderigo: you saw the URLs from the ltsp bot?
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| 00:59 | you can actually build a raspbian chroot with ltsp-build-client with one of those howtos
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| 01:00 | <sirderigo> vagrantc: that´s what i decided to do, just getting through the final configuration steps :)
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| 01:01 | <vagrantc> i never did write up the firmware docs very clearly... and i think raspbian has since included a separate firmware package...
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| 01:02 | <sirderigo> vagrantc: so, it was you. Very clever, i must say
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| 01:02 | <vagrantc> i should take a look at it again sometime... although i was pretty unimpressed by the performance
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| 01:02 | although i was running on an older rpi with only 256MB of ram...
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| 01:03 | <sirderigo> vagrantc: got a model b with 512, i want to see where can it take me
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| 01:03 | <vagrantc> helped to get the first raspbian kernel packaged like the other debian kernels... basically that's how i spent the first few days of 2013 :)
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| 01:04 | <sirderigo> vagrantc: awesome
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| 01:04 | <vagrantc> there are a number of other arm platforms out since that will likely perform a lot better and can run plain debian... though i never did try the accelerated graphics on the rpi
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| 01:04 | that might make all the difference
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| 01:08 | <sirderigo> vagrantc: almost done installing ltsp-client in my pi
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| 01:10 | <vagrantc> good luck!
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| 01:11 | worst case, you end up learning a lot about LTSP and becoming another developer :)
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| 01:37 | <sirderigo> vagrantc: still around?
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| 11:46 | <sam__> Hi Anyone awake?
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| 11:47 | Would these $130 devices work as LTSP thin clients: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/cloud-connect/pd
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| 12:25 | <highvoltage> sam__: it's arm based and it doesn't even have ethernet
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| 12:26 | sam__: it runs android locally to connect to remote services
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| 12:26 | sam__: so you could install nx/vnc/rdp/etc on it and access a linux server, but it wouldn't be ltsp
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| 12:28 | <sam__> highvoltage,
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| 12:28 | thanks
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| 12:29 | obvious now you say!
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| 12:39 | <Ark74> is it possible to boot a ltsp client from a VM?
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| 13:17 | <bennabiy> Ark74: Yes. For both a VM client and a server
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| 13:51 | <gvy> Akm74: I do my testing that way (virtualbox, kvm is possible too but netboot was documented-but-messy last time)
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| 14:43 | <sam__> http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-battles-lego-over-copyright-and-trademark-injunction-130118/
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| 14:46 | <sam__> oops sorry wrong window
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| 15:10 | <Microbian> Hello
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| 15:10 | Need some help with build.client
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| 15:13 | <Microbiantech> Hello, need some help with build-client
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| 15:20 | <Microbiantech> I have an issue with ltsp-build-client for raspbian ( ltsp-build-client --arch armhf --config /etc/ltsp/ltsp-raspbian.conf ) it starts to configure packages, but after some time it says: I: Base system installed successfully. chroot: cannot run command `locale-gen': No such file or directory error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 16:26 | <bennabiy> Microbiantech:
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| 16:27 | Sounds like Vagrantc is the one you want to talk to... I am not sure who else in here has done much with ltsp on arm
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| 16:29 | <sirderigo> I keep on getting this "chroot: fallo al ejecutar la orden «locale-gen»: No such file or directory" trying to make a debian Chroot for ltsp-clients.
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| 16:29 | Any idea of what can i do?
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> And is $CHROOT/usr/sbin/locale-gen available/
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| 16:40 | ?
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| 16:40 | Which server and chroot distro/version? What ltsp-build-client command?
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| 16:43 | <sirderigo> alkisg: i started running this manual: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/ and nope, did a chroot to the /opt/ltsp/armhf and added the /etc/apt/sources.list
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| 16:43 | and then i was able to run /sbin/locale-gen
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| 16:44 | I am using Edubuntu 13.04
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> AFAIK one needs `VENDOR=Debian ltsp-build-client ...` to build a debian chroot on an ubuntu server
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| 16:45 | <mgariepy> alkisg, do you set VOLUME for clients somewhere?
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| 16:46 | <alkisg> Hi mgariepy, no I'm not using that
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| 16:47 | <mgariepy> alkisg, ok
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| 16:47 | <alkisg> mgariepy: did you see any issues?
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| 16:47 | <mgariepy> I have a bug with this, lts.conf variable aren't exported in udev env. so Volume control isn't applied correctly.
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| 16:48 | <alkisg> afaik the udev env should run some of our scripts, which would then source ltsp_config, which would include VOLUME
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| 16:48 | <mgariepy> on 12.04 and ltsp-5.3.7
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| 16:49 | I added : eval $(getltscfg-cluster -a -l refresh) || true
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| 16:49 | and now the volume get applied correctly
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| 16:49 | in /lib/udev/ltsp-sound.
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> [ -r "/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config" ] && . /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config
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| 16:49 | Maybe something to do with ltsp-cluster?
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| 16:49 | <sirderigo> alkisg: so, should i do export $VENDOR=debian before running ltsp-build-client?
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| 16:50 | <alkisg> sirderigo: I think so, with a capital D
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| 16:52 | <mgariepy> alkisg, maybe
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| 16:52 | <sirderigo> alkisg: running ltsp-build-client again, we will see.
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| 16:54 | <mgariepy> alkisg, when you source this file, on a ltsp client you have all lts.conf varable exported ?
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> mgariepy: hmm no, I think only the ones that called set_lts_var
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| 16:55 | * alkisg thinks that our config system needs to be rewritten :) | |
| 16:55 | <mgariepy> so it's a ltsp bug :P
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> Not sure
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| 16:55 | I'd need to re-read that code.. blame Gadi :P
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| 16:56 | <mgariepy> Gadi, is always to blame ;)
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> He's here now, let's trick him into writting ltspd :D
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| 16:58 | <mgariepy> haha :)
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| 16:58 | well, lunch time for me.
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| 17:18 | <other_other_joe> ltsp-client has netcat as a dependency
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| 17:18 | anyway know what for exactly?
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| 17:27 | <other_other_joe> I know epoptes uses socat
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| 17:27 | <other_other_joe> I'm wondering if nc is there just for thin client support specifically and doesn't pertain to my all fat setup
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> other_other_joe: nc is used e.g. to get the ldm-server information from the server, it doesn't "listen" on some port on the thin client, it "connects" to the server to ask information...
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| 18:22 | <||cw> from bash I'm assuming?
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| 18:27 | <elias_a> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/finnish-schools-using-open-source-reap-savings
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| 19:08 | <sirderigo> | |
| 19:08 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 19:14 | * sirderigo waves a vagrantc | |
| 19:15 | <sirderigo> at* damned spanish
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> no hay problema
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| 20:52 | <Guest4659> i just installed ltsp on fresh install of centos6.5, one client boots (with lots of script and seems slow compared to sl6 but boots) the other doesn't boot. It starts into all the scripts maybe gets to login screen then goes black. I have been searching for answers but can't seem to find the cause.
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| 20:55 | no one here?
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| 20:57 | <||cw> nice.
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| 20:59 | * vagrantc sighs | |
| 20:59 | * vagrantc would've asked about the differences in video card... | |
| 21:06 | <sirderigo> vagrantc: what happened
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| 21:06 | ¡
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| 21:06 | <Microbiantech> Hey guys, something went horribly wrong
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| 21:07 | [FAILED] startpar_ service(s) returned failure: ltsp-client-core
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| 21:08 | Booting on RPi
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| 21:52 | <vagrantc> sirderigo: just someone asking for help an leaving the channel too quickly
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| 21:53 | Microbiantech: what were you trying?
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| 21:53 | <Microbiantech> LTSP with Edubuntu server, Client already built
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| 21:54 | <vagrantc> "client already built" ?
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| 21:54 | <Microbiantech> ltsp-client-build
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| 21:54 | did it, copied the files to the raspberry
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| 21:54 | Everything boots, even the nfs is working fine
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| 21:55 | Then [FAILED] startpar_ service(s) returned failure: ltsp-client-core
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| 21:55 | <vagrantc> you could put some debugging in /opt/ltsp/*/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core
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| 21:55 | i.e. "set -x"
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| 21:56 | Microbiantech: this is on a raspberry pi?
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| 21:56 | <Microbiantech> Yes, model B
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| 21:56 | <vagrantc> Microbiantech: how exactly did you build it? what instructions did you use?
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| 21:56 | <Microbiantech> This ones
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| 21:56 | http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/
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| 21:57 | <vagrantc> well, i guess i'm the expert then :)
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| 21:57 | <Microbiantech> Haha, yes, you are... People here talks a lot about you
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| 21:58 | <vagrantc> not sure what would fail in ltsp-client-core ... most stuff has "|| true" at the end
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| 21:59 | is plymouth installed?
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| 21:59 | i do recall that causing all sorts of problems
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| 21:59 | <Microbiantech> Yes, plymouth is installed
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| 22:00 | I used the " sed -i -e 's,/bin/plymouth quit --retain-splash.*,/bin/plymouth quit --retain-splash || true,g' /opt/ltsp/armhf/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core" fix
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| 22:02 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 22:02 | <Microbiantech> Forget about it, just reinstalled plymouth
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| 22:02 | And boot...
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| 22:02 | <vagrantc> i'd even suggest removing plymouth entirely...
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| 22:02 | it works after re-installing plymouth?
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| 22:03 | <Microbiantech> Yeah.. .-.
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| 22:03 | I really don't know why
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| 22:03 | * vagrantc neither | |
| 22:04 | <Microbiantech> Well, it happens... Really don't know why
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| 22:05 | <Microbiantech> Thank you for your help, I think I'm coming back later
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| 22:06 | <vagrantc> i've not been very impressed by the rpi for a thin client ... but if it works for you :)
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| 23:09 | <derekn> Hi, can anyone tell me how to use xrandr to span dual monitors instead of mirroring them?
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc> derekn: there are some XRANDR options in the lts.conf manpage
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| 23:27 | derekn: i'm not sure exactly how to do what you want, though
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| 23:29 | <alkisg> Example, XRANDR_COMMAND_01="xrandr --auto --output DVI-0 --mode 1440x900 --right-of DVI-1"
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| 23:29 | I.e. you can put whatever xrandr command you like in lts.conf...
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| 23:29 | Try it from a terminal first, and when you get it right, put it in lts.conf
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| 23:30 | <derekn> I hadn't seen the xrandr_command option. I'll try that and see if it works. Thanks.
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