00:00 | <vagrantc> rm-rf: you'd have to update dhcpd.conf, set up tftp to boot the different kernel, and configure NBD or NFS to export the new location.
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00:00 | rm-rf: why do you want to? might be an easier way to do what you're trying to do.
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00:00 | <Dalik> hmmm sorry I have one thing I just ntoiced. I checked the initfs.img with the provided command and I see the e1000e-ich9m.ko driver but the path is not the same as the other net drivers.
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00:01 | <rm-rf> ah, that's where the bitch would come in, reconfiguring nbd to export the new location
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00:01 | <Dalik> cpio: lib/modules/2.6.24-24-generic/ubuntu/net/e1000e-ich9m/e1000e-ich9m.ko not created: newer or same age version exists
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00:01 | cpio: lib/modules/2.6.24-24-generic/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko not created: newer or same age version exists
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00:01 | <vagrantc> rm-rf: not that hard, but kind of a pain.
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00:01 | <Dalik> not sure if that would make a differece
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00:01 | <rm-rf> i want to have some clients boot screen_07 directly to an rdp session, while have others that aren't specified boot to ldm
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00:02 | <vagrantc> Dalik: not sure what you're actually saying...
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00:02 | rm-rf: just use lts.conf for that.
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00:02 | <rm-rf> i can specify hosts in there?
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00:02 | <vagrantc> rm-rf: yes.
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00:02 | !lts.conf
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00:02 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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00:03 | <rm-rf> danke
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00:03 | <vagrantc> de nada
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00:03 | <rm-rf> that's most excellent, and removes about 99% of the work i thought i had ahead of me
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00:03 | <Dalik> cd $(mktemp -d) ; zcat /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/initrd.img | cpio -i produces a nice list of drivers and one of the new drivers I added with the process you gave me provides one new driver BUT the path is not the same as the other net drivers
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00:03 | <rm-rf> thanks again
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00:04 | <vagrantc> rm-rf: yeah, it's really just a configuration option :)
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01:52 | <vlt> Hello. Can I have more than one "LIKE = ..." entries in lts.conf?
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01:52 | Or can I override one of the settings by adding a new option after a LIKE line?
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02:20 | <alkisg> vlt: go to http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf and search for ws001
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02:47 | <vlt> alkisg: Thank you. What about several "LIKE" entries?
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02:47 | <alkisg> I'm not sure
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02:48 | You could try it :)
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03:17 | <nubae> heya alkisg
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03:17 | how's it going
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03:18 | <alkisg> Hey nubae! Still struggling with the crazy fat clients implementation
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03:18 | <nubae> I mentioned your project here, and at the use of the word nfs, everyone cringed...
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03:18 | <alkisg> If you're willing to install it manually, you could give it a go... but it's not debianized yet
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03:18 | <nubae> The problem they tell me is that all their implementations of nfs have cause serious problems
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03:18 | <alkisg> Well, what other method is there to share a live system? Ltspfs? :(
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03:19 | ...and how are they sharing their /home anyway, if not with nfs?
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03:19 | <nubae> what about working with xrdp? or u need it on a file system level?
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03:19 | they actually stopped doing that, because of all the problems
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03:20 | but they have a script that connects to nfs and does a local rsync
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03:20 | in case the connectino breaks
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03:21 | and it does this synching every 5 minuters
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03:21 | what it does is try to work locally as much as possible to get strain off the nfs server
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03:22 | if u want I could pass u that script
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03:22 | might be of interest
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03:25 | <alkisg> xrdp? Nah, viewing video with it will suck
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03:26 | Hmmmm so if nfs is not good, maybe /home shouldn't be shared after all - the local hard disk could be used in each station
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03:26 | Of course the students would have to sit on the same pc every time
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03:29 | Hmmm if sshfs is better, I guess I could use that; be it'd be slow because of all the encryption :(
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03:34 | <nubae> take out encryption
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03:34 | direct X
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03:35 | but anyway, u wanna take a look at that script they use here?
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03:35 | it might give some ideas
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03:35 | the difference is they run stuff on local hard disks, and clone them via netboot
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03:35 | so its not quite the same
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03:36 | but this was used for the shared /home
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03:36 | <alkisg> Nah if the script I'm working on proves inefficient, I'll just switch to your fat client script
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03:37 | sshfs doesn't allow unencrypted connections
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03:37 | <alkisg> Directx == not using ssh
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03:39 | <alkisg> Cloning is an interesting solution, though. Do you copy all the stuff, or only the differences, with something like rsync?
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03:41 | <ogra> or zsync :) about three times faster but needs a webserver
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03:41 | <alkisg> " all their implementations of nfs have cause serious problems" ==> you mean performance, or data loss?
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03:41 | ogra, interesting! Btw, do you think ltspfs could be used to remotely boot a pc? :D
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03:41 | <ogra> i guess that would need tons of ram
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03:42 | <alkisg> Ah, it copies all the data to ram? Ouch...
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03:42 | <ogra> ltspfs unmounts in the back and keeps a reference to every file in the fs in memory
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03:42 | only the filetree
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03:43 | which is fine for a removabe device usually
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03:43 | <alkisg> Hmmm maybe that could work on a dedicated "boot" file server... is it fast?
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03:43 | <ogra> and i guess it would be slow since it likely keeps everything permanently mounted but would like to unmount after 2sec
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03:44 | <alkisg> OK patching it to prevent unmounting wouldn't be too difficult, I imagine...
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03:44 | <ogra> you might find intresting race conditions nobody found yet :)
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03:44 | <alkisg> Ah :-/
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03:46 | Hmmm I wonder if AoE could be used... not on live file system, but on a read-only partition or chroot.
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04:17 | <cyberorg> alkisg, we experimented with AoE fatclient, http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Fatclient there is iscsi root example linked from there too
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04:18 | <alkisg> cyberorg: can opensuse/kiwi somehow serve partitions or chroots instead of images?
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04:18 | I mean, to save the "compressing/preparing image" phase after each change?
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04:19 | <cyberorg> alkisg, i think iscsi, aoe and nbd(?) can all serve partitions
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04:20 | <alkisg> Hmmm (to get this straight) so the squashfs/nbd combination used in ubuntu could be reduced to just nbd, if someone wanted that?
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04:21 | <nubae> yeah
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04:21 | <cyberorg> fat client i worked on was very thin, it used /usr from server, so all apps installed on server as available on the client without requiring to install in chroot
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04:21 | <alkisg> cyberorg: so it's possible with minimal fiddling with opensuse to have a dual boot system, boot with partition "a" and then share partition "b" to clients over aoe?
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04:21 | (or nbd or...O)
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04:22 | <nubae> 0?
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04:22 | <alkisg> (typo :))
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04:22 | (or nbd or ...)
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04:22 | <ogra> alkisg, you need an image/partition for eithetr nbd or iscsi
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04:22 | chroots wont work
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04:22 | <alkisg> Ah, so a partition would do, but a chroot wouldn't, right?
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04:22 | OK. That sounds doable
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04:22 | <ogra> neither of them exports on the filesystem level
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04:22 | right, partition or image will work with either
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04:23 | <alkisg> Hmmm so maybe ltsp could be tweaked to support nbd fat cliens if they are installed in a seperate partition... am I getting this right?
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04:23 | <ogra> i would still export them readonly, but that would work, yes
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04:24 | <cyberorg> alkisg, ltsp has nothing to do with that, just initrd is needed that supports nbd/iscsi/aoeroot
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04:24 | <alkisg> cyberorg: no, ltsp in this case would be just the framework used to install the os into that partition
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04:24 | Hmmm this approach sounds good :)
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04:24 | <cyberorg> k :)
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04:25 | <alkisg> Thanks cyberorg. /me looks into that link above...
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04:27 | <ogra> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcF_xX2DE8
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04:27 | *g*
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04:27 | now someone say shellscripts cant rule the world :)
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04:27 | <cyberorg> ogra, "Linux: put babies to sleep..."?
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04:28 | <alkisg> Hehe I wish I've seen that 9 years ago :)
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05:09 | <alkisg> cyberorg: did you try that aoe setup with e.g. a dozen clients? Is it fast enough for everyday use?
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05:09 | (with fat clients, I mean)
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05:10 | <cyberorg> alkisg, not me, but shrek has it in production
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05:10 | <alkisg> Nice :)
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05:11 | <cyberorg> fat clients ltsp server cluster, and normal ltsp clients using aoeroot
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05:13 | <alkisg> Ah. I need to try it for myself... most labs here have 8-12 clients, so I need to test 8-12 fat clients with a single ltsp server ...
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05:44 | <kawan_> Hi, I am looking for alkisg, is he around ?
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05:45 | <elias_a> kawan_: Left about 30 minutes ago.
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05:47 | <kawan_> Oups.
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05:48 | He was of a tremendous help over a problem I had last night
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05:49 | He was going to release some patch for me.
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06:02 | <alkisg> kawan_: hi
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06:04 | kawan_: I'm in the middle of putting karmic to my laptop, I'll be able to send you the patched gpxe disk in 30' or so.
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06:30 | <nubae> alkisg, sounds like you should sent an invoice to canonical ;-)
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06:37 | <alkisg> Heh :)
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06:38 | Hmmm sudo apt-get install nbd-client even puts it to the initramfs in Ubuntu... Most interesting!
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06:46 | <kawan_> hi alskig
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06:46 | Thanks a lot. I won't be around (got to go to work)
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06:46 | how do you want to send me the patch ?
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06:47 | <alkisg> kawan_: I'll upload it somewhere and send you the url
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06:47 | It can be installed in floppy/cd/hard disk, which method do you prefer?
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06:47 | <kawan_> cd if possible
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06:48 | <alkisg> ok
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06:48 | Should I send you the url in a mail then?
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06:49 | <kawan_> that would be great: vincent.roudil@gmail.com
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06:49 | <alkisg> ok
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06:49 | <kawan_> I'll keep you posted.
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06:49 | <alkisg> I'll send it to you shortly.
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07:19 | <nubae> nice... since the channel is logged, u'll now be on every spam list :-)
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07:19 | <ogra> nubae, thats what spam filters are for ;)
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07:21 | <alkisg1> nubae: I get >100 hits when googling with your email :)
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07:21 | <nubae> :p
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07:21 | yeah its on my website
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07:21 | <alkisg1> >4000 for ogra's...
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07:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> bah. gmail's spam filter is a tiny jesus
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07:22 | <nubae> thought its not with an " sign
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07:22 | <ogra> alkisg, only ?
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07:22 | <nubae> @ sign even
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07:22 | <ogra> i get 21.600 for mine
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07:22 | <alkisg1> I tried with the @ubuntu one
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07:22 | <ogra> ogra@ubuntu.com
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07:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey, how do I clear "away" status?
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07:22 | <alkisg1> Αποτελέσματα 1 - 10 από περίπου 4.270 για ogra@ubuntu.com
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07:23 | <nubae> takes it from the mailing lists
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07:23 | <alkisg1> _UsUrPeR_: just write /away
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07:23 | <ogra> alt+A in xchat
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07:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> there we go :)
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07:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> jammcq: morning
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08:05 | <alkisg1> ogra, so how would I share a partition with nbd? Share e.g. /dev/sda2 with nbd-server, then connect it to /dev/nbd0 on a client, and mount -o loop an ext3 filesystem with that?
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08:11 | <ogra> you launch sudo nbd-server 1234 /dev/sda2
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08:11 | that will serve /dev/sda2 on 1234
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08:12 | <alkisg1> Thanks! And how can I create /dev/nbd? devices on the client?
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08:13 | <ogra> nbd-client does that automatically if you connect
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08:13 | they are created by udev if you load the nbd module (which nbd-client triggers)
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08:13 | <alkisg1> Uhm I may have to reboot then
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08:14 | sudo nbd-client localhost 2001 /dev/nbd0 -persist ==> Error: Can not open NBD: No such file or directory
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08:14 | A last one, please? Can /dev/sda2 be mounted rw on the server, while it's served as ro on the clients?
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08:16 | (ah ok modprobe nbd got me the devices)
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08:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> still having issues with the latest release of karmic and LTSP.
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08:18 | <ogra> might be a bug, nbd-client should load nbd
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08:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> anyone else try that out yet?
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08:19 | <ogra> make sure you filed bugs
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08:19 | <alkisg1> ogra: Thanks, everything's fine now :) I had to run nbd-server as root though, for it to be able to access sda2.
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08:20 | <ogra> indeed
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08:20 | <alkisg1> ...on to boot a client now!
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08:42 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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08:46 | <elias_a> Morning?
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08:46 | Have a nice weekend, everyone!
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08:46 | <alkisg1> Bye elias_a
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08:47 | <elias_a> This is about it, folks!
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08:47 | :)
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08:47 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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08:49 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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09:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: ping
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09:20 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: Did you do any more testing with Sabayon?
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09:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: Yes I did.
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09:21 | I tested out removing menu options from user profiles, as well as adding desktop icons
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09:21 | both worked great
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09:22 | one question: what stops an individual from creating a desktop icon? Say you want to stop an individual from accessing terminal. If someone wants to create a desktop icon for xterm, it will work still.
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09:23 | is there a security option to disallow icon/executer creation?
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09:24 | <sbalneav> I'm not sure.
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09:24 | <alkisg1> _UsUrPeR_: what would prevent them from going to /usr/bin/ with nautilus and just double clicking on xterm?
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09:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg1: ahh, good question. Never thought about it. I guess I didn't see anything that would stop "places" from loading
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09:26 | <sbalneav> I think that's a shortcoming of Nautils.
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09:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> I guess nautilus can be changed via permissions
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09:34 | <sbalneav> The BEST way to handle all of this would be with ACL's
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09:34 | Add acl's to the terminal programs that prevent students from running it.
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09:36 | <alkisg> ogra, first bug: passing nbdroot=server,port root=/dev/nbd0 as kernel parameters *would* let me boot but it doesn't because the module eth0 isn't yet loaded. If I put break=mount, wait 2 secs and press ctrl+D, it works fine. Where do I report that? In initramfs-tools, or in nbd-client?
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09:49 | <SkyRocknRoll> hi what is K12linux ?
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09:50 | * SkyRocknRoll says fedora + ltsp integrated i think .. please acknowledge me | |
09:51 | * SkyRocknRoll if i am right | |
09:51 | <SkyRocknRoll> hi vvinet
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09:51 | vvinet: can u help me?
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09:51 | <sbalneav> SkyRocknRoll: Yes, that's what it is.
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09:52 | Give people a chance to respond, eh? :)
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09:52 | <vvinet> uh hi
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09:52 | of what help could I be SkyRocknRoll ?
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09:52 | (and why me? hehe)
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09:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> I got it :)
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09:54 | skyrocknroll: K12linux is ltsp + fedora
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09:54 | <sbalneav> SkyRocknRoll: Yes, k12linux is ltsp + fedora
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09:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> jinx
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09:54 | ;)
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09:55 | <SkyRocknRoll> hi its nice to see your replies :D
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09:55 | vvinet: just by pressing 2v and a tab key got your name :)
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09:56 | i have fedora 10 box with me
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09:56 | can i install ltsp over here?
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09:56 | without going for k12linux ?
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09:56 | <vvinet> ok then
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09:57 | <SkyRocknRoll> _UsUrPeR_: hi will u help me ?
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09:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> skyrocknroll: what's up?
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09:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> skyrocknroll: all the packages for LTSP are available through yum
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09:59 | <sbalneav> SkyRocknRoll: Yes, check in your package manager
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09:59 | <SkyRocknRoll> _UsUrPeR_: i have a fedora 10 box .. can i change it to ltsp server?
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09:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> yep!
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09:59 | <SkyRocknRoll> wow :D
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09:59 | * _UsUrPeR_ goes to look for the docs | |
10:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> here you go
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10:00 | https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide
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10:00 | remember to follow along with the configuration steps along the bottom of that page
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10:01 | <SkyRocknRoll> _UsUrPeR_: whats the advantage in using K12linux? only we can skip configuration or any other reason specially?
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10:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> not much really. the packages are pre-installed, but still need to be configured
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10:02 | if you were looking for the simplest possible installation, ubuntu alternative installation CDs are where it's at.
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10:02 | <ogra> alkisg, i'd say nbd-client
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10:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> though the K12 installation process is quite simple from a new installation
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10:02 | <alkisg> ogra, danke!
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10:02 | <ogra> :)
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10:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> and there's a quick tutorial to follow on the desktop
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10:03 | <ogra> it's script should wait until something else than lo is up
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10:04 | <SkyRocknRoll> _UsUrPeR_:Thanks for your help :) i will ask u if i have any doubts :D
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10:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> no problem
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10:15 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: yeah, I think ACL's on gnome-terminal, etc's the way to go on that
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10:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: I agree. too much of a PITA to do permissions :P
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10:18 | <alkisg> sbalneav, _UsUrPeR_: how would that block a student from downloading "my_super_xterm" from the internet, chmod +x'ing it, and running it?
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10:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> write protect directories. limit executable functions.
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10:19 | is it possible to chmod without terminal?
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10:19 | <alkisg> Right click with nautilus, I think...
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10:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> >_< check box!
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10:20 | yeah, I see it
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10:20 | never tried that one
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10:21 | <alkisg> Heh you'd be surprised on how many ways the studens will be able to find to beat acls... :)
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10:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> and expulsion is not normally an option
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10:21 | thank god this isn't something I have to deal with on a daily basis.
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10:22 | <vmlintu> Here are some patches to disable execution from Nautilus: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540923
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10:23 | <alkisg> vmlintu: ok then the students would press alt+f2 and bypass nautilus :D :D
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10:23 | OK just joking the patches would be most welcome
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10:24 | <vmlintu> there's also a way to disable alt+f2 from working
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10:27 | <alkisg> ...and also all user startup files should be locked.... e.g. ~/.config/autostart/* ...
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10:28 | or ~/.profile or .* files that are *sourced* from other programs...
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10:29 | Also the menu editor... :(
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10:31 | ...also the user should not be able to *copy* executable files and then change their contents... :-/ I'm sure there are other ways, complete locking at this level is kinda difficult
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10:50 | <sbalneav> alkisg: No, probably not.
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10:52 | <sbalneav> Or downloading source and compiling it.
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10:53 | One of the "problems" of Unix and/or Linux is, it's *meant* to be an open system.
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10:55 | The nautilus patch seems to be a good one.
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10:55 | I wonder if it's made it upstream into "base gnome" yet
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10:57 | <sbalneav> This isn't a problem for only linux.
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10:57 | My son's school has windows boxes "supposedly" locked down, but the kids "get around" it all the time, sometimes breaking the machine.
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10:58 | <sbalneav> Personally, I think making the fruit forbidden tends only to enhance the flavour, and a more open approach might yield more learning :)
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10:59 | <alkisg> I don't lock anything in my school. There isn't even time for the kids to go around that much
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10:59 | And even if they did, it doesn't add much maintainance overhead...
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10:59 | <sbalneav> alkisg++
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11:00 | <alkisg> The only thing I lock is with squid, some parental control...
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11:00 | <sbalneav> Besides, if you've got a kid who's interested enough to poke around, isn't that something to be encouraged? IMHO, yes.
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11:00 | Right, I can see not wanting to have porn pop up.
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11:02 | <jammcq> Gadi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11:02 | <sbalneav> Morning Gadi
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11:02 | <Gadi> gutentag
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11:02 | how is everyone?
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11:02 | <sbalneav> He invented printing.
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11:03 | <jammcq> doing well
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11:03 | sbalneav: pfffff
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11:03 | <Gadi> ah, movable type
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11:03 | <sbalneav> Yeah, that thing
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11:03 | You know, the thing with the whatsis
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11:04 | http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/26/microsoft.ad.gaffe/index.html?iref=mpstor
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11:04 | <sbalneav> "We're really, really sorry we got caught."
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11:05 | <jammcq> sbalneav: yeah, did you notice the guy is using a macbook ?
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11:05 | <sbalneav> Someone needs to watch the "You suck at photoshop" series :)
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11:05 | LOL
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11:05 | You're right
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11:05 | <jammcq> and the monitor isn't plugged into anything
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11:06 | i'm thinking the entire photo was assembled from stock parts
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11:07 | <sbalneav> That, and I've been to a lot of meetings in my time, and unless the guy with the donuts just walked in, and THAT'S what they're smiling at, no one EVER looks that happy at a meeting.
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11:08 | <sbalneav> "Oh, yay! Another 2 hours of my life wasted discussing the cover colour on the TPS reports!"
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11:09 | <jammcq> sbalneav: yeah, I'm afraid i'm gonna have to ask you to come in and work on saturday.... yeah
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11:09 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: you just made me press the backspace key ...
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11:10 | <sbalneav> my... my.. stapler, you.. took.. my... stapler...
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11:23 | <sbalneav> The ratio of people to cake is too big.
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12:11 | <jammcq> sbalneav: cake? mmmmmmm
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13:14 | <johnny> http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_31
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13:14 | cuse..
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13:14 | character devices in userspace
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13:15 | might be useful for ltsp
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13:15 | <Ryan52> johnny: hm?
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13:15 | <johnny> could use that to proxy serial devices over the network
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13:16 | <Ryan52> hm, why would you want to use serial devices? :P
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13:16 | but ya, I get it. :)
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13:22 | <johnny> Ryan52, cash register drawers for one ..
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13:22 | also for usb.. too..
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13:22 | <Ryan52> ah, that makes sense.
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13:23 | oh usb too? cool.
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13:23 | <johnny> any character device
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13:23 | we just need a proper driver
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13:23 | <alexqwesa> i start kiwi-ltsp, but i don't know default username and password, and root password
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13:23 | * Ryan52 is unedumacated. | |
13:23 | <johnny> usb2ip was already in kernel in in the staging-tree
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13:23 | <alexqwesa> please help)
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13:23 | <johnny> but this will be better
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13:23 | <Ryan52> alexqwesa: it's the password to your system.
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13:23 | alexqwesa: you just log in to your host system.
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13:24 | alexqwesa: LTSP should just ssh.
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13:24 | <alexqwesa> very big thanks
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13:24 | * alexqwesa go to try)))) | |
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13:31 | <alexqwesa> have a problem: verifying please wait.... and do nothing(
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13:32 | local login via ssh - work ( ssh all@192.168.0.1)
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13:40 | <alkisg> alexqwesa: try running ltsp-update-sshkeys
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14:59 | <alkisg> Yup, fat clients with nbd are about twice as fast as nfs-based clients... Can't wait to test with 10+ clients. Thanks, ogra :)
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18:55 | <IBC_jkenney> hello i have a problem where i have dual display and my gdm splits in the middle but what I really want is the login box on the left
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19:15 | <cliebow> sbalneav:heyQ!
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19:24 | <johnny> IBC_jkenney, i assume you mean ldm..
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19:24 | otherwise you should be asking the question in your distro support chat
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19:25 | i don't know the answer in any case, just making sure that you are being clear with your question
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19:50 | <IBC_jkenney> yes correct LDM
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23:12 | <jkenney_> hello
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23:12 | who is still here an a saturday?
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