IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 March 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:58 | <Q-FUNK> alkisg: found an iptables recipe, but thanks anyway :)
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| 03:59 | <alkisg> Q-FUNK: sure, but hosts.allow/deny also offer DoS protection and others
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| 03:59 | That's why the tcpd wrappers are used
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| 04:07 | <nosedrum> Hi there !
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| 04:08 | Can I put a id_dsa.pub ssh key in /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/authorized_keys (.ssh/authorized_keys doesn't exist) ???
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| 04:11 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 04:11 | <nosedrum> will works even if .ssh/authorized_keys manual created ?
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| 04:12 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 04:13 | <Q-FUNK> sudo nmap -p1-9999 ltsp.host
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| 04:15 | <Q-FUNK> they still show as filtered
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| 04:15 | that's why I would have prefered binding them to specific interfaces
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| 04:22 | <elias_a> Q-FUNK: Hi! Nice to see you around!
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| 04:29 | <Q-FUNK> elias_a: wow! long time no see!
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| 04:30 | <elias_a> Q-FUNK: That's how I see it too :)
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| 04:30 | I've been hanging around on this channel because I run Educoss nowadays in Finland :)
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| 04:31 | Q-FUNK: Where are you nowadays?
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| 04:31 | <Q-FUNK> in HEL
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| 04:37 | <elias_a> Q-FUNK: Ummmhhhh... sounds..... challenging...
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| 04:38 | <Q-FUNK> yes and no. money is thight, but there's plenty of time to do whatever.
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| 04:40 | <elias_a> Q-FUNK: So what's up?
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| 04:42 | <Q-FUNK> elias_a: working on some product ideas and doing a lot of photography
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| 05:00 | <Q-FUNK> elias_a: yes, you can
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| 05:39 | <muppis> Have anyone tried a SmartCard login?
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| 06:00 | <elias_a> Heard of it. Should be doable.
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| 06:02 | <muppis> I'm planning to do so.
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| 06:11 | <Q-FUNK> muppis: lauri has, IIRC
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| 06:38 | <lauri> Good mornin
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| 06:38 | Well I haven't done SmartCard login yet, we just implemented SmartCard forwarding so apps running on server can access SmartCard (eg. Firefox)
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| 06:44 | <muppis> Comparing to ssh auth should correct way to start doing it?
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| 06:45 | <lauri> ehm?
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| 06:46 | <muppis> Well, isn't LTSP login doen via ssh ?
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| 06:46 | done..
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| 06:46 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 06:47 | <lauri> muppis: Yes it is
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| 06:47 | muppis: Jonathan told me that Scoll Balneveas is working on PAMification of LDM
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| 06:47 | <muppis> Cool.
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| 06:47 | <lauri> muppis: As I understood they will move auth on top of PAM on terminal and server side
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| 06:47 | muppis: and on terminal the PAM is basically proxied to server via SSH
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| 06:48 | muppis: In which case KDM or GDM can be used on terminal
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| 06:48 | muppis: Using PAM on terminal side should allow SmartCard auth
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| 06:48 | muppis: I don't know much details about their implementation, Scott hasn't answered my mail :/
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| 06:48 | <vvinet> good morning
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| 06:49 | <lauri> muppis: But this does not fix the need for SmartCard forwarding
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| 06:49 | muppis: We are using web apps here which use Estonian ID-card (basically a SmartCard) to authenticate HTTPS tunnel on Firefox
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| 06:50 | muppis: My hack makes *that* work :)(
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| 06:50 | <muppis> lauri, ah.
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| 07:13 | <Q-FUNK> !g
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| 07:13 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi!
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| 07:25 | <Gadi> !q
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| 07:25 | Q-FUNK!
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| 07:25 | :)
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| 07:32 | <Q-FUNK> I guess that the bot is gone :)
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| 07:33 | Gadi: how's life over there?
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| 07:35 | <Gadi> cold, raw, and soon-to-be-rainy
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| 07:35 | and by u?
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| 07:51 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: it keeps on getting more and more interesting, even though none of it brings much of any money.
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| 11:52 | <billybobby> morning, can anyone help me get an ltsp system running on one NIC?
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> billybobby: distro/version?
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| 11:53 | <elias_a> Morning? :)
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| 11:54 | <billybobby> maverick meerkat, and i just installed LTSP throughsynaptic
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| 11:54 | <elias_a> Q-FUNK: I will call you tomorrow. This afternoon was a hassle. Sorry...
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> billybobby: which package? ltsp-server or ltsp-server-standalone?
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| 11:54 | <billybobby> elias_a: it is morning for me, and quite early, too
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| 11:54 | standlone
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| 11:54 | *alone
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| 11:55 | <Q-FUNK> elias_a: it's ok. it happens. :)
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> So you don't have another dhcp server on your network, right?
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| 11:55 | No routers etc?
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| 11:56 | <billybobby> er, yes i do, when i turned it off my whole network shut down, so i guess my LTSP's not working quite right
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| 11:56 | <alkisg> In the end, you can only keep one dhcp server. Do you want to keep the ltsp/dhcp server, or your existing dhcp server?
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| 11:58 | <billybobby> LTSP one, it sounds cooler to say you have a DHCP server, than to say you have a PC.
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| 11:58 | <elias_a> Wow :)
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> OK. Put a static IP for your ltsp server and change the subnet in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 11:59 | <billybobby> how do you put a static adress, i've never had to do that before, change the subnet to what?
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| 12:01 | <alkisg> http://www.vincentkong.com/2009/01/creating-static-ip-in-xubuntu-810
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| 12:02 | I.e. right click on network manager and create a connection
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| 12:04 | <billybobby> then change the subnet to that?
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 12:07 | <billybobby> and then disable my other DHCP and use my LTSP system with one NIC?
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> You need to also run ltsp-build-client to build a chroot etc
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| 12:10 | But the "one nic" specific part is only /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 12:13 | <billybobby> i ran that command, and i'll try configuring the server like that when i see it later today, thanks.
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| 12:13 | and will the DHCP sever work after doing that, will it?
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| 12:13 | <Roasted> hallo
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| 12:14 | <mgariepy> Roasted, hello ;)
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| 12:14 | <Roasted> been a long time mgariepy
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| 12:14 | <alkisg> billybobby: you'll also need to restart the service: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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| 12:14 | And it should work then
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| 12:15 | <mgariepy> indeed Roasted i missed you
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| 12:15 | <Roasted> those 12 seconds were a long time, my friend
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| 12:18 | <billybobby> alkisg: right, i think i have it all, give server static IP address, change subnet mask in configuration file, disable other DHCP, then reboot DHCP services.
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> Right
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| 12:19 | <billybobby> thanks
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| 12:57 | <Roasted> Well I got my LTSP server running off of our Windows DHCP. I can PXE boot it and I get to the login screen. But when I try to log in, it times out, saying no response from server when I typed in the credentials. This is for both local and domain accounts.
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| 13:07 | <mgariepy> do you have some logs in /var/log/auth.log when you try to authenticate on the thin client?
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| 13:43 | <Roasted> sorry was afk mgariepy, let me look
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| 13:45 | mgariepy, doesnt appear as if any logs are created when it fails...
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| 13:45 | I just tried again and when I reopened auth.log, no additional entries were made.
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| 13:48 | <mgariepy> can you pastebin lts.conf ?
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| 13:49 | <Roasted> whats the full path of it mgariepy
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| 13:51 | <mgariepy> i think it's /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 13:51 | <Roasted> I found it. but its in opt.
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| 13:51 | I think
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| 13:52 | http://pastebin.com/h6D7Ui3T
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| 13:52 | opt ltsp i386 etc
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| 13:52 | was where it was
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| 13:52 | looks like nothing in it
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| 13:52 | just commented lines
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| 13:54 | <mgariepy> which option have you set in the dhcp ?
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| 13:54 | <Roasted> dhcpd.conf?
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| 13:55 | <mgariepy> in the windows dhcp
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| 13:55 | <Roasted> I didnt set them. the network admin did. all 3 lines that were suggested to be added he added
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| 13:55 | # 017 Root Path: /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 13:55 | #
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| 13:55 | 066 Boot Server Host Name: <ip address>
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| 13:55 | 067 Bootfile Name: ltsp/arch/pxelinux.0 # Specify CPU architecture in place of 'arch', for instance 'i386'
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| 13:56 | <mgariepy> seems like you don't have ldm server set correctly, i though it would fall back on boot server host name
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| 13:57 | <Roasted> boot server host name?
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| 13:57 | as in the host name of my LTSP box?
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| 13:57 | <mgariepy> the 066 option of dhcp
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| 13:57 | <Roasted> he used my IP
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| 13:59 | if the IP was wrong itw ould never seem my LTSP server, would it?
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| 13:59 | <mgariepy> create the file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and add:
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| 13:59 | [Default]
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| 13:59 | LDM_SERVER=<ip of your ltsp server>
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| 13:59 | i wouldn't boot indeed
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| 14:00 | <Roasted> reboot?
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| 14:01 | <mgariepy> yep
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| 14:01 | <Roasted> why would I have not had an lts.conf originally?
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| 14:03 | <mgariepy> not sure what windows dhcp is doing..
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| 14:03 | <Roasted> oh you think its a windows thing being confused?
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| 14:03 | <mgariepy> i have no idea maybe it's a missing option or something..
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| 14:03 | <Roasted> ehh not looking like it worked
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| 14:03 | hanging
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| 14:04 | failed
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| 14:08 | <Roasted> any idea?
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> When you change the ltsp server ip, you need to update the ssh keys
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| 14:11 | sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 14:11 | <Roasted> I was JUST going to ask that
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| 14:12 | I just found an entry on google saying that
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| 14:12 | http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/mzKmyYI1ziU6oT9uK0gM
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| 14:12 | <Roasted> thanks bro let me try that quick
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| 14:13 | <mgariepy> alkisg, wouldn't it leave trace in auth.log ?
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> mgariepy: no, it stacks on "are you sure you want to connect to this server"?
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| 14:14 | So it doesn't even attempt
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| 14:14 | <mgariepy> ho
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| 14:14 | ok
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| 14:14 | nice one.
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| 14:14 | * alkisg uses LDM_SSHOPTIONS to bypass all that weird stuff :D | |
| 14:15 | <Roasted> mgariepy, should I take out that lts.conf you had me do, just to see if its truly the SSHKEY update command that fixes it?
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| 14:15 | * mgariepy uses ltsp-cluster to bypass this stuff ;) | |
| 14:15 | <mgariepy> you can remove it.
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| 14:16 | <Roasted> good deal
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| 14:16 | rebooting. crossing fingers.
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| 14:16 | so I have to run that command when I change the IP of the server. Are there any other instances I need to run that command?
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| 14:17 | nice, Im in
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| 14:18 | seriously, guys. com eto PA and drinks are on me.
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> It's just half a globe away
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| 14:18 | * alkisg would like to visit US some time though :) | |
| 14:18 | <Roasted> lol.
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| 14:18 | well keep it in mind!
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| 14:18 | going to go to the lab and see how this works now
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| 14:18 | brb
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| 14:19 | <mgariepy> alkisg, would be nice to see at BTS 2011
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> mgariepy: has it been decided where it will be held at?
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| 14:20 | There was a crazy idea about a BTS in Europe some time
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| 14:20 | <mgariepy> usualy BTS is in souhtwest harbor
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| 14:21 | that would be nice too :)
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> Is there anyone left in Europe nowadays?
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| 14:21 | You 3 are in Canada... ogra?
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| 14:21 | <mgariepy> oliver
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| 14:22 | scotty is canada, gadi jim in the US
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> And vagrant somewhere in california or something
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| 14:22 | So yeah Europe sounds difficult
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| 14:30 | <Roasted> Is there any way to tell how much of the thin client resources are being used? I'm trying to figure out just how much horsepower is being driven from the server vs the thin clients themselves.
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| 14:31 | System monitor on thin clients points to server, so I wasnt sure what processing power was being utilized from the thin clients themselves.
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| 14:33 | <NeonLicht> I log into the client and do a top there. Or run top as a local application.
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| 14:34 | <Roasted> I didnt think about that
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| 14:34 | this is exciting. I'm surprised how well a dual core 2gb ram desktop was able to push 6 computers.
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| 14:34 | granted the 6 pcs were pentium 4's with 512 ram, so it had some help Im sure
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| 14:34 | <NeonLicht> It's easier to think about very complicated graphical ways to do things instead of doing a simple top. :)
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| 14:34 | <Roasted> but it ran BETTER than XP natively on each box.
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| 14:35 | well I didnt think a top would yield the LOCAL resources of the thin client
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| 14:35 | I just want to see what % is server and what % is local
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| 14:35 | <NeonLicht> If local aren't doing much you might consider running some local apps.
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| 14:36 | <Roasted> where at do I control what apps are local and which are server?
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| 14:38 | <NeonLicht> I run them directily from a console.
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| 14:39 | <Roasted> not sure I follow. if I want gimp to be ran locally and not server, where do I make that adjustment?
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| 14:39 | <NeonLicht> Although I think there is a way to set up which are run locally and which on the server. But I'm too lazy to check it out.
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| 14:41 | I just run would run it as ltsp-localapps gimp.
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| 14:41 | <Roasted> I'm anxious for my boss to get back and show him this. I wonder what he'll think.
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| 14:41 | I find it fascinating that LTSP runs faster on these boxes than Windows XP does...
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| 14:41 | <NeonLicht> Take into account he's a boss... :D
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| 14:41 | <Roasted> now all I need to do is find an alternative to Microtype so the studetns can use Ubuntu and we're golden.
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| 14:42 | He expressed interest in Ubuntu.
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| 14:42 | He asked me to figure out how I can add Ubuntu to the domain.
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| 14:42 | Once I did I realized LTSP existed, so that's how I got sucked into it.
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| 14:42 | He's out for the week so I've been doing testing on my own to see if its even worth mentioning to him. So far this thin client environment with LTSP outperforms our existing thin client setup. I mean, geez, I ran 10 systems off of my dual core 4gb ram laptop. That's ridiculous.
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| 14:43 | Since budgets are getting cut so severely I think this may be thought highly of. But we'll see.
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| 14:43 | <NeonLicht> I set up a 20 thin clients classroom a few years ago. We were running the classroom very nicely with hardware mucho more underpowered than yours.
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| 14:43 | <Roasted> were you using LTSP then?
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| 14:44 | <NeonLicht> Sure, and I still do, but not in that classroom anymore, but on our office (100% silent clients, no moving parts, no discs, no fans)... and all the heat and noise is into the server room.
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| 14:45 | <Roasted> my biggest concern is software
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> NeonLicht: still the same place?
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| 14:45 | <Roasted> if we begin to introduce ubuntu into the mix, we have to be aware of software changes, etc
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| 14:45 | good talkin NeonLicht but I gotta bounce
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| 14:45 | thanks everyone again for your help
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| 14:45 | <NeonLicht> The office, vagrantc? Yes, same place you visited. :)
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| 14:45 | <Roasted> @ mgariepy alkisg etc
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| 17:02 | <Technicus> Any motherboard suggestions for building a multiseat workstation? [ http://www.linuxtoys.org/multiseat/multiseat.html ]
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| 20:29 | <befrenchy> would like to use ltsp with Debian, which release should i use?
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| 20:30 | the LTSP 5 status page list Lenny as the highest release
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| 20:33 | should i even attempt to use Lenny with LTSP 5?
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