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04:07 | <Appiah> Good morning #ltsp
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04:41 | <alkisg> Good morning
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08:54 | <muh2000> hi
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08:54 | is it possible to have one computer providing the files with tftp/dhcp and another for the ltsp server?
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08:59 | <cyberorg> muh2000, yes
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08:59 | <muh2000> nice
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08:59 | easy to setup?
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09:00 | <cyberorg> easy depends on the distro and how much you know about simple sysadmin tasks on linux ;) look up LDM_SERVER variable in ltsp docs
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09:03 | <muh2000> hmm where in the docs?
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09:04 | got it
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09:08 | <cyberorg> you'll also have to get ssh keys of LDM_SERVER to client image, all distro has different way of doing that
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09:09 | <muh2000> where are the keys usually stored?
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09:10 | <cyberorg> which distro?
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09:10 | <muh2000> debian/squeeze.
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09:11 | <muh2000> i want dhcp/tftp running on a small router. nfs/ltsp on the big server
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09:11 | <cyberorg> on the server in nfsroot image
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09:12 | <cyberorg> etc/ssh/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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09:13 | sorry that would be /path/to/nfsimage/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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09:14 | <muh2000> yeah i got it but when nfs and ltsp are on the same host i woulnd need to move the ssh keys, would i?
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09:14 | or are they included in the initrd?
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09:15 | <cyberorg> why? just append to that file with ssh keys of other LDM_SERVERS
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09:16 | <muh2000> yeah but only one host should be ldm server.
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09:16 | <cyberorg> you can get the keys in correct format ssh-keyscan -t $encryption $anotherserverip >> /path/to/nfsimage/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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09:17 | that is specified in lts.conf, clients will use the one specified there, having additional ssh keys shouldn't matter
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09:18 | <muh2000> ok
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09:19 | when the router provides the kerne/initrd and a big server the nfs files... how does the client know that it has to talk to the big server (lts.conf is located on the big server...) am i missing something?
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09:21 | <cyberorg> hmm, that wont work, in that case just router just to provide dhcp and point next-server to your ltsp server for tftp and ltsp image, or set up proxy dhcp using dnsmasq and alkisg1's script
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09:24 | <muh2000> hmmm ok i think i will do it with only dhcp and the remaining on the big server ^^
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09:24 | thnx for your time :)
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09:26 | <cyberorg> good luck :)
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09:26 | <muh2000> i have to order the router first :D
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09:26 | <cyberorg> then why do you need a router? ltsp server can work as a router too
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09:27 | <muh2000> yeah but having the internetconnection independet of a bigger server is something i want ^^
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09:29 | i have trouble upgrading the ltsp client image distupgrade and xorg hangsinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "restart" failed
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09:32 | <alkisg> muh2000: I also needed to have a router as a dhcp server, and I came up with this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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09:32 | Should work on pretty much any distro...
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09:34 | <muh2000> alkisg: except i want the router also have tftp'ing for other stuff and it should be the dhcp because sometimes i want to shut the big server off.
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09:35 | <alkisg> You can keep the tftp there, and point the ltsp clients to the ltsp tftp server
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09:35 | =2 tftp servers
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09:35 | I think that's the easiest path to go by
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09:37 | Otherwise every time you updated the kernels, you'd have to upload them to the router...
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09:37 | <muh2000> yep that was my plan :)
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09:37 | (pointing the other next server..)
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09:37 | <alkisg> Why bother? What's the problem with having a second tftp server?
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09:38 | You may specify a different tftp server for ltsp clients, and a different one for other clients
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09:39 | <muh2000> that is what i am going to do.
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09:39 | <alkisg> Ah, ok. Well it's really easy, 1 = install dnsmasq, 2 = put an appropriate .conf file
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09:39 | <muh2000> just wanted to make sure whether other options were possible...
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09:39 | wouldnt it be easier to just edit the next-server option in the dhcp configß
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09:40 | ?
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09:40 | <alkisg> Does it support different tftp servers based on the vendor identifier the clients send?
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09:40 | <muh2000> yeah
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09:40 | ldap conencted dhcpd ^^
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09:41 | <alkisg> Sure then that would be easier. Which router is that?!!!
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09:41 | <muh2000> i even dont need to restart the dhcp :D
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09:41 | well it isnt bought yet. but i will just move my server routing setup on the little box.
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09:42 | http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d13.htm alkisg
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09:42 | <alkisg> Ah ok it's pc based... :)
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09:42 | <muh2000> yeah
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09:43 | <alkisg> Just wondering, where would ldap be useful in a dhcp server?
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09:45 | <rjune_> ogra: there was a guy in here yesterday wanting to know about LTSP on a beagleboard
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09:46 | <ogra> i saw the ping ... not much i can say ...
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09:46 | wedont have kernel packages for beagle
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09:46 | so he would have to roll kernel and initramfs himself
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09:48 | <muh2000> alkisg: easy and fast editing of settings for dhcp. that is why ldap
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09:48 | <alkisg> muh2000: ? how is it easier or faster than editing a file?
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09:50 | Anyway, I'll google that :)
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09:50 | <muh2000> you can use a browser like luma or myldapadmin to edit the values. click, click, click... instead of vi /etc/ladia/bla.conf /etc/init.d/bla restart
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09:50 | and when there is a config error you have to check etc to bring the dhcp back up.
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09:51 | <muh2000> i am also thinking about moving all ldap stuff on the router... ~15mbytes... and doing a sync with the big server ^^
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09:51 | <alkisg> muh2000: there are also clickety click ways to edit dhcpd.conf...
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09:52 | There are GUIs for this task
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09:52 | <muh2000> alkisg: yeah but would require me to logon and xforward.....
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09:52 | <alkisg> Or use a web browser
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09:53 | <cyberorg> matttttt, new updated image now has qtnx client, see changlog for more info. it will take some time before the package is built and show up on mirrors
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09:53 | <muh2000> and one gui would be luma and one browser would by myldapadmin ^^ dont know about others
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09:53 | <alkisg> gadmin-dhcpd
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09:54 | or webmin... (I think)...
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09:54 | http://doxfer.com/Webmin/DHCPServer
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09:55 | <muh2000> but the gui has to run on the same host?
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09:55 | <alkisg> It's web based, you can connect to it by any browser / os etc
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09:56 | <muh2000> webmin? webmin blows.
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09:59 | <cyberorg> move over webmin, yast web is coming :) http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Web
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10:01 | <muh2000> hmmmm determining whether that is better... rofl.. :D
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10:02 | <alkisg> ogra, about the Intel GMA 500 that you told me that I would need to compile a kernel yesterday: thousands of greek students will be given a netbook in september, and it will probably be an atom-z based netbook with this card... Yeah, I know it sucks :( but do you think I could help them install ubuntu by compiling a custom kernel with dri2 and uploading it to a ppa? Does this sound feasible?
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10:03 | <ogra> i didnt say you need to compile a kernel :)
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10:03 | <ogra> i said you need to compile dri2
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10:03 | <alkisg> I _might_ have misunderstood :)
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10:04 | Ah, that sounds easier (I hope:))
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10:04 | <ogra> check the packages, i dont know them but would expect they use dkms and compile everything at install time
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10:05 | <alkisg> Nice, I'll tell the person testing the netbook to try that
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10:06 | Thanks!
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10:45 | <rjune_> ogra: ok, If he comes back, I know now
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10:45 | thanks
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11:21 | <Ahmuck> *yawn*
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11:21 | k, i'm ready to work on sound problems again :)
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11:27 | * highvoltage wonders where q-funk is these days | |
11:38 | <ogra> trying to find a job ?
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11:42 | <ogra> CaScAdE^Wacken, chatting from the festival ? :)
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11:43 | <CaScAdE^Wacken> sure
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11:43 | <ogra> heh
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11:43 | <CaScAdE^Wacken> )http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeNWh3LXpF0
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11:44 | <ogra> lol
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11:44 | <CaScAdE^Wacken> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeNWh3LXpF0
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11:44 | so...
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11:44 | habe to go back...
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11:44 | just had to upload that vid :D
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11:44 | * ogra grins | |
11:44 | <CaScAdE^Wacken> habe = have
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11:44 | damn beer
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11:45 | <ogra> enjoy
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12:50 | <bieb> !seen Gadi
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12:50 | <ltspbot> bieb: Gadi was last seen in #ltsp 18 hours, 4 minutes, and 1 second ago: <Gadi> good luck!
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13:03 | <dark4og> ?.. Do I need to run 32 bit linux on my server for x86 clients to work?
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13:03 | <Appiah> no but you need 32bit/x86 client builds
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13:04 | ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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13:04 | --arch=i386*
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13:11 | <Ahmuck-Jr> question about nbd. how does it work, from what i'm reading, it's uber dangerous
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13:16 | <dark4og> ? How do I install another Image for clients that are not 64 bit on a LTSP Server that is 64 bit?
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13:25 | <rjune_> Gadi: you about?
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13:25 | <alkisg> dark4og: (09:03:22 μμ) Appiah: ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
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13:28 | <dark4og> alkisg: Thx..
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13:38 | <Gadi> rjune_: kinda sorta
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13:39 | <rjune_> Gadi: do you remember who was asking about beagle board yesterday?
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13:39 | <Gadi> his nick began with a "p"
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13:39 | peleus, I believe
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13:40 | <rjune_> yeah, that sounds right
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13:43 | <alkisg> (10:33:19 μμ) peleus: hello, have anybody tried ltsp on Beagleboards ? I would like to check if the chance is possible before I buy ;)
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13:43 | Logs, people :)
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13:44 | <rjune_> I don't have logs
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13:44 | thanks though alkisg
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13:44 | <alkisg> OK I was just joking
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13:44 | But there are logs in nubae's site
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13:45 | <peleus> Gadi, alkisg oh thanks, that's good
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13:45 | is it quite straight forward ?
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14:05 | <Ahmuck> how does ltsp use nbd?
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14:06 | <Blinny> very.... carefully....
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14:06 | Ahmuck: NBD provides the client image
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14:06 | <Blinny> (in Ubuntu and several others, ltsp5+)
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14:07 | <Ahmuck> not like nfs?
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14:07 | read/write?
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14:07 | <Blinny> No, it's RO
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14:08 | <Ahmuck> nbd is read only?
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14:08 | or ltsp image is read only?
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14:10 | <Blinny> After the image is compressed (squashfs) and sent to the client, it is effectively readonly. If you, as a sysadmin need to augment the image that is sent to booting clients, you can do so at any time. This is how localapps works.
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14:16 | Ahmuck: You can do so by editing the image directly, or chroot'ing to the image tree and then apt-get or yum'ing.
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14:16 | er, editing the image tree directly
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14:20 | <Ahmuck> Blinny: actually i was looking at nbd for another project, to see if i could replace nfs
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14:53 | <dark4og> LTSP Client, when logged in, I have only terminal after GDM installed in chroot
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15:02 | <ogra> yes, thats not supposed to work
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15:08 | Ahmuck, nbd exports a block device to the network thats a layer below the filesystem
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15:09 | Ahmuck, you can use nbd in readwrite mode indeed, the thing is that you export an image
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15:12 | Ahmuck, while nfs exports directories
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17:02 | <TronCarter> ./win 19
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17:11 | <coldfusion> hi
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17:11 | any gentoo users of ltsp around?
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17:17 | <Lns> coldfusion: ssshhhhhhh...it's nap time here
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17:17 | ;)
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17:17 | <coldfusion> lol
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17:17 | <coldfusion> the ltsp-client init scripts wont run you see, and i'm wondering if they actually do anything useful
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17:18 | <Lns> sure they do (do something useful) - they set everything up for the client
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17:18 | why won't they run?
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17:18 | <coldfusion> complaining about not being able to write to files in /etc because of the unionfs
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17:19 | the thing is - i can log in and run X manually, because the root is already on the server... but i'm thinking properly setup it might run faster?
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17:20 | <Lns> not sure...unfortunately i don't have much experience w/unionfs
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17:21 | <coldfusion> yeah. i might reconfigure from scratch and ditch the unionfs
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