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Channel log from 1 December 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:33 | <jackli> ogra:hi
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| 06:42 | who knows how to make one ica client can be manageed by two masters?
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| 06:46 | <ogra> i doubt thats possible ... but wait for stgraber to drop in
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| 06:46 | at least i dont think you can do it at the same time
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| 06:47 | beyond that the client needs to know the keys for both masters
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| 06:52 | <jackli> ogra:I merged two master's keys,but it only work on one master.
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| 06:53 | <ogra> well, i have not much insight into italc's guts ... stgraber is your man
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| 06:54 | <jackli> I now using iTalc 1.0.9 under ubuntu 8.10.
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| 06:55 | It runs very well.but ervery time I run iTALC master,must add the client manually.
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| 06:55 | I try to change the /home/usr/.italc/globalconfig.xml.
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| 06:55 | but it dosnt work.
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| 06:55 | who knows why?
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| 06:56 | <Blinny> jackli: That globalconfig.xml file is overwritten on iTalc initialization
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| 06:57 | <jackli> Blinny:yes,but where can I put my ica client information.
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| 06:57 | <Blinny> (look at /usr/bin/italc-launcher -- this is what is run from Applications->...->iTalc)
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| 06:57 | jackli: Currently in an LTSP environment there isn't a way to do that
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| 06:57 | jackli: You add them asneeded
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| 06:58 | jackli: It will auto-add all the LTSP iTalc clients on your local private subnet for you
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| 06:59 | <jackli> Blinny:it's not convient if we need add the clients manually.
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| 06:59 | Blinny:and in my test,the iTALC master cannt auto add my thin-clients.
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| 07:00 | <Blinny> jackli: Does iTalc create the LTSP classroom on startup?
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| 07:01 | <jackli> Blinny:no
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| 07:01 | <Blinny> jackli: Have you restarted the thin clients since installing iTalc on the server?
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| 07:01 | <jackli> in classroom-management tab,it's empty
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| 07:01 | <ogra> well, but if you created one it should keep ts settings afaik
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| 07:02 | <Blinny> ogra: No. italc-launcher removes the settings file on startup and replaces it with the auto-generated one.
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| 07:02 | <ogra> ah
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| 07:02 | <jackli> yes,I think so.
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| 07:02 | <ogra> well, as i said ... wait for stgraber
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| 07:02 | <Blinny> jackli: Do your clients have 'iTalc client' in System->Preferences->Sessions ?
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| 07:03 | <jackli> Blinny:Yes
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| 07:03 | <Blinny> jackli: And it's running?
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| 07:03 | <jackli> of course.
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| 07:03 | <Blinny> (checked)
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| 07:03 | <ogra> ah, you are not one of the people running the client on the thin client ?
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| 07:03 | <jackli> Blinny:I use namp localhost,and can see 5800 and 5900 running.
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| 07:05 | <Blinny> Ok then that's a problem
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| 07:06 | <jackli> Blinny:but I can add the thin-client or workstation manually.
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| 07:06 | <Blinny> jackli: I suggest you wait for stgraber and ask them.
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| 07:07 | <jackli> stgraber?
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| 07:07 | <ogra> i think if you instal the client on the thin client and also ass avahit it will auto-register
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| 07:07 | *add
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| 07:08 | jackli, yes, stgraber maintains the ubuntu package and added a bunch of features upstream
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| 07:08 | <Blinny> Unless you have multiple subnets. Then only the first of two least-significant /16 IPs will add
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| 07:08 | jackli: Are you running iTalc from a thin client?
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| 07:08 | <jackli> my ubuntu 8.10 server has tow eth cards.
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| 07:09 | <Blinny> Meaning the master application?
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| 07:09 | <jackli> Blinny:yes
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| 07:09 | <Blinny> Then I'm not sure and I cannot help you. Apologies.
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| 07:10 | Maybe your ~/.globalconfig.xml isn't writable by the user
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| 07:10 | <jackli> Blinny:Are you running iTalc from a thin client? you mean....
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| 07:10 | rw..r...r
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| 07:11 | <Blinny> jackli: If your user is logged into a thin client and you go (on the thin client) to Applications->System tools->iTalc master interface
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| 07:11 | then you should have an environmental variable $LTSP_CLIENT that dictates the actions of /usr/bin/italc-launcher
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| 07:12 | <jackli> Blinny:You mean I can run iTALC master interface under thin-client
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| 07:12 | <Blinny> Yes. If you do it should auto-create the LTSP classroom and add your clients.
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| 07:14 | <jackli> Blinny:oh,I see.But if I run iTALC master interface under the thin-client server.why it is not working?
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| 07:15 | Blinny:another topic:can one ica client be managed by two master interface?
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| 08:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all
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| 08:17 | <cyberorg> hi _UsUrPeR_ how is it going?
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| 08:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning cyber
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| 08:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: I got an email about the fix on the 1-click install from the bug report I filed last week.
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| 08:24 | I'll test that out in a bit
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| 08:24 | <cyberorg> cool :)
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 08:31 | <ogra> Gadi, wassup ?
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> hey - when I log into an Intrepid server from a gutsy chroot, everything works nicely except gconfd
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| 08:32 | so, gconf settings revert to default
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| 08:32 | any idea what might have changed?
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> or if an env var needs setting?
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| 08:32 | <ogra> gconfd uses dbus in intrepid, does your session bus run ?
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> romm 14633 1 0 09:26 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/pulse-session /usr/bin/seahorse-agent --execute x-session-manager
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| 08:33 | romm 14634 1 0 09:26 ? 00:00:00 //bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 6 --print-address 8 --session
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| 08:33 | seems to
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| 08:33 | <ogra> hmm, no idea ...
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> is: "//bin/dbus-daemon" correct?
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| 08:34 | looks odd
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| 08:34 | <ogra> btw, i looked at the gabriel source
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> yeah, I looked at it last night, too
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| 08:34 | <ogra> its insane but gives some good ideas :)
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> seems a bit hackish to use socat
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| 08:34 | :P
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| 08:34 | <ogra> nothing we can use
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> why not just run ssh -L ?
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| 08:35 | and use tcp connections?
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> seems cleaner
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> !s
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| 08:35 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:35 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:35 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> Whew, what a trip
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| 08:35 | <ogra> Gadi, well, i'd like to see it just connecting to the existing tunnel
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| 08:35 | and do the transport through it as well
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> 2 offices, 1987km of driving, 5 days.
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| 08:36 | 2 servers upgraded.
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> ogra: I was thinking: ssh -S $LDM_SOCKET -L 1234:$LDM_SERVER:1234 $LDM_SERVER
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| 08:36 | and then make dbus on the server listen to localhost 1234
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| 08:36 | or some such
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| 08:37 | or maybe we need the other way around
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| 08:37 | actually
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| 08:37 | -R ...
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| 08:37 | either way, are you after session dbus or system dbus?
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| 08:37 | I was under the impression that local devices are handled by system dbus
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| 08:38 | <ogra> Gadi, but that wil open a separate TCP conn
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| 08:38 | i dont want the transport going unenecrypted
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> ogra: my aim would be to tunnel it
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| 08:38 | right
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| 08:38 | so, I meant -R
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| 08:38 | I think
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| 08:38 | oh, no - ur right
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| 08:39 | nm
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| 08:39 | not thinking
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| 08:39 | there should be a 7-second erase button on these logs
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| 08:39 | :)
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| 08:39 | <ogra> it needs a server app on the session side we dont have yet
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| 08:40 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPClientShutdownReboot
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| 08:41 | something like that ... creating a socket in the session and forwarding everything through the tunnel
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| 08:42 | <Gadi> thats not much of a "server app"
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| 08:42 | <ogra> well, a communication app
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| 08:43 | and even one thats best run as a dbus service on the client side
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| 08:43 | and you need to bend DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS in the session env
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> rc.d script: ssh .... 'mkfifo --mode=0600 "${HOME}/.ltsp_client_socket" && DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=blah'
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| 08:44 | <ogra> no, dbus .service file :)
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| 08:44 | though, umm
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| 08:45 | we dont have the socket without ldm session
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| 08:45 | so it needs to be triggered by rc.d script ... but the implementation itself should be in dbus
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| 08:46 | && DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=blah wouldnt work ... it needs to be set in the session, not on the client
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| 08:47 | that part needs actual hacking of dbus
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| 08:47 | <ogra> since we want the real dbus daemon that runs with --session to attach to our socket
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> hmm.. well, it could always be part of the command run by ldm itself when it runs the session
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> that way, it sets the env var and fifo just before executing Xsession
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> What's up? Are we adding dbus to ltspfs?
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| 09:46 | <ogra> sbalneav, we'll need dbus client to session communication ... if thats there its trivial to add ltspfs to it ... but the main cause is that gnome and kde more and more need to be able to talking to the system bus on the client
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> So, we're working on that now? Or just thinking about it? I've been away for a week, and I'm interested in being involved in that.
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| 09:51 | <ogra> looking into possibilities
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> ogra: did stgraber tell you about his success with xrandr?
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| 09:56 | dual-head on his intel-based lappie with just a few lts.conf vars
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| 09:56 | and with different resolutions
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| 09:56 | :)
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| 09:57 | <stgraber> we just need hack.d and my Virtual-generator script so it works with the intel video driver
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| 09:57 | <Gadi> stop calling it hack.d :P
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| 09:57 | screen-session.d
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| 09:57 | sounds much better
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| 09:58 | <Gadi> ogra: do you recall if you needed any client-side changes to ldm to support consolekit?
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| 09:58 | (consolekit on server that is)
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| 09:58 | * Gadi wonders if my gconfd issues are related to consolekit | |
| 10:02 | <ogra> Gadi, its an issue of ssh not ldm
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> ok - what was the issue again exactly?
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| 10:03 | <stgraber> sbalneav: btw, you coming to UDS ? I know Jim was trying to make you come but haven't heard of the result :)
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> stgraber: No, sorry. Too much work and not enough me. :)
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| 10:06 | But, I'll join in via IRC, and I *AM* very interested in working on the dbus side of things.
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| 10:09 | <stgraber> good, I have registered two LTSP blueprints at the moment, you may be able to join using the VOIP (usually crappy at UDS) or on IRC
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> stgraber: ok, I have a voip phone at home, and as well, I've got a mic/headphone, so we'll see.
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| 10:14 | I'll probably work at home those days, so I can join in the action.
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| 10:43 | <ogra> sbalneav, policykit will take over everything at some point, additionally all HW interaction will move to hal/devicekit so we need to be able to talk to the system dbus on the client for everything, that makes dbus transport important ...
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| 10:43 | (sorry was in a 2h phonecall)
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| 10:45 | <johnny> is there a way to merge the two dbus ?
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| 10:45 | that'd be most interesting..
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| 10:46 | <ogra> merge ?
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| 10:46 | <johnny> so that the the remote session sees what is done by the client, and what other things are exposing interfaces on the server in the same merged bus
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| 10:47 | <ogra> you dont want to have your users have access to the system bus on the server
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| 10:47 | <johnny> sure.. that's where the merging comes in :)
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| 10:47 | <ogra> why would you merge anything
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| 10:47 | all you need it the system bus on the client
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| 10:48 | *is
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| 10:48 | at that point for exmple gnome-power-manager or shutdown/reboot will just magically work
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| 10:49 | all the ltspfs hackery can go, we just need to hook in the transport part into hal
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| 10:49 | if you would merge the two dbuses you would start to confuse the apps
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| 10:56 | <johnny> i thought i had a use case.. but ican't remember
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| 10:56 | guess we'll discover that later :)
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| 11:52 | <k3j0> hi ive problems using kiwi-ltsp my client boots via PXE! while booting i get after a few minutes red error warning (like suse has an error ehile booting and it drops me into a concole, always switching between two displays...
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| 11:53 | i checked troubleshooting -> the config, network and ip is alright
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| 12:03 | <johnny> k3j0, very few folks here use kiwi.
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| 12:03 | cyberorg, you about?
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| 12:03 | perhaps you should mention what the error was..
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> k3j0: that said, do you have 2 SCREEN_XX ?
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| 12:04 | sounds like you are running rdesktop as a second screen script and it cannot connect
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| 12:05 | <k3j0> y
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| 12:05 | Gady, johnny i cant read the error its to fast over and swaps me in the console
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> k3j0: the rdesktop screen script is retarded in the current releases, and does not make for a fun experience when used as a second screen script
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| 12:06 | if that is your setup, I can suggest a change
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| 12:06 | <k3j0> my setuapis totally default
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| 12:07 | but i use rdesktop meanwhile
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| 12:07 | <Gadi> heh, ok, so that makes no sense
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| 12:07 | !pastebot
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| 12:07 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 12:07 | <Gadi> please share your lts.conf
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| 12:09 | <k3j0> second u mean my /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp ?
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| 12:10 | or this one
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| 12:10 | .. /srv/tftpboot/KIWI/lts.conf
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> I think the latter
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| 12:10 | * Gadi knows not from kiwi | |
| 12:10 | <k3j0> ^^
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| 12:10 | k
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| 12:12 | <ltsppbot> "k3j0" pasted "lts.conf" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/117
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> hmm - and you see the above errors with that config?
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| 12:14 | <k3j0> y
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> if so, it sounds like the Xserver cannot start up
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| 12:14 | try CONFIGURE_X=False
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| 12:14 | <k3j0> y
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> if that still does not work, try: XSERVER=vesa
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| 12:15 | <k3j0> kk
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> or try setting the X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
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| 12:15 | <k3j0> what do i have to restart when i cahgen the lts.conf?
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> it could be that it cannot detect your monitor frequencies and therefore cannot select a valid mode
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| 12:16 | nothing
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| 12:16 | <k3j0> hmm
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> just reboot
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| 12:16 | <k3j0> kk
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> (the thin client)
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| 12:16 | <k3j0> ah sure he always takes the newest
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| 12:16 | second
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| 12:27 | <k3j0> ...
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| 12:28 | i can read the eroor now has to do something with th e sound i think now ill try t with sound=flase
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| 12:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> k3j0: check in #kiwi-ltsp
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| 12:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> where do the logs for failed X starts go in Ubuntu 8.10? I don't see them in /var/log anymore :/
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| 12:40 | <ball> Is LTSP always based on X11?
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| 12:42 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, still there for me :)
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| 12:42 | ball, vs what?
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| 12:42 | <ball> johnny: VNC?
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| 12:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: I just installed 8.10 and need to get DVI working on a 1422 client.
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| 12:42 | they seriously just show up in there?
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| 12:43 | unghh
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| 12:46 | <johnny> ball, nah.. vnc is no good
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| 12:47 | it wouldn't give us the thinsgs we need for local apps or devices
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| 12:48 | <ball> johnny: How well does LTSP handle the sudden disappearance of a terminal (cleaning lady trips over the power cable etc.)
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| 12:48 | ?
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| 12:48 | <johnny> ltsp handles it fine..
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| 12:48 | sometimes apps don't..
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| 12:49 | <ball> Hmm... okay.
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| 12:49 | <johnny> ball, my users often cut the power manually.. no problems except the occasional "firefox is already loaded"
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| 12:49 | <ball> Is there any way to reconnect to the same session when that happens?
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| 12:49 | <johnny> nope
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| 12:49 | sadly there is no screen like program for
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| 12:49 | X
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| 12:49 | <ball> ok
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| 12:49 | <johnny> it is feasibletho
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| 12:50 | <ball> Is X likely to be faster than VNC?
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| 12:50 | <johnny> it just is above many of our skill levels
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| 12:50 | <ball> (I have VNC working, no idea what's involved in getting LTSP up)
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| 12:50 | <johnny> yes
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| 12:50 | ltsp boots over network
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| 12:50 | <ball> Is it difficult to configure?
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| 12:51 | <johnny> getting ltsp up in fedora/ubuntu/debian is realtively easy.. install the packages, integrate with an existing dhcp server if necessary, boot your clients
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| 12:51 | if they don't have pxe boot.. you can use a floppy or cd from rom-o-matic
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| 12:51 | <ball> I should probably put the terminals on a separate LAN.
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| 12:51 | ...that might make life easier.
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| 12:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> ball, the easiest way to make a simple test system: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 12:52 | >
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| 12:53 | ok, I found this error on my system in SCREEN_01: kernel call returned: Broken pipe Reconnecting
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| 12:53 | Error: Ioctl/1.1a failed: Bad file descriptor
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| 12:57 | <ball> _UsUrPeR_: bookmarked, thanks.
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| 12:57 | <johnny> screen_01 ?
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| 12:57 | you don't have that set do you?
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| 12:57 | on ubuntu that is..
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| 12:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> I set up one so I could access root...
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| 12:58 | is that a porblum?
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| 12:58 | <johnny> don't do it on 01
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| 12:58 | yes it is
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| 12:58 | there should be an error
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| 12:58 | set SCREEN_02=shell
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| 12:58 | instead
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| 12:58 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: that isn't fedora right?
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| 12:58 | <johnny> warren, you're late to the party, i got this
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| 12:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: correct. Ubuntu 8.10
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| 12:58 | <warren> ok
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| 12:58 | <ball> Does LTSP have a separate X server instance for each connected terminal?
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| 12:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: I have screen_02 = shell. I never assigned screen_01. I was just using that asa a reference
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| 12:59 | <johnny> oh ok!
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| 12:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> what is the term? tty1?
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| 12:59 | <johnny> sounds like you have other problems then
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| 12:59 | SCREEN_01 is only usable on fedora (atm)
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| 12:59 | <warren> and Gadi's thing
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| 13:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh. I am using the 8.10 alternate CD install
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| 13:00 | and trying to get it working with DVI on our client
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| 13:00 | <johnny> warren, i'll go ahead and add gentoo to the conditional
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| 13:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> works fine w/VGA out
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| 13:00 | <ball> I should have gone with the Alternate, but I didn't know.
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| 13:00 | <johnny> it's fine to use any imo
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| 13:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> ball: yeah, much easier
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| 13:01 | <ball> Still, it's not that difficult to reinstall.
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| 13:01 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, try setting CONFIGURE_X=N
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| 13:01 | ball, it's easier to just install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 13:01 | yeah you BASTARDS.. eat justice
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| 13:01 | nasty walmart shoppers ..
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| 13:01 | <ball> What's the min. spec. for terminals?
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| 13:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: in my tries thus far to get ltsp working on ubuntu 8.10, I've only had luck with the alternate install
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| 13:02 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, odd.. all is fine for me .. on multiple installs
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| 13:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> and it's most definitely not for lack of trying
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| 13:02 | hmm
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| 13:02 | ...
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| 13:02 | dammit! Making me doubt myself! ;)
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| 13:02 | <johnny> so.. try CONFIGURE_X=False
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| 13:03 | <johnny> Lns, your name is now a script too..
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| 13:03 | <ball> With LTSP, are the clients running on the central computer, or on the terminals?
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| 13:03 | <johnny> a symlink easer..
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| 13:03 | <Lns> johnny: whhaaa?
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| 13:03 | ln -s ? =p
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| 13:03 | <johnny> ball, they boot off the network, start a local x server to authenticate via ssh
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| 13:04 | and then run all programs on the server (at least by default)
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| 13:04 | <ball> Good, that's pretty much what I'm after.
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| 13:04 | <johnny> Lns, it's ln -s.. but with more error checking..and allows you to mix up the source and target
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| 13:04 | <ball> ssh is a nice touch too.
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| 13:04 | <johnny> min spec is around 128mb ram and 500mhz
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| 13:04 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "current lts.conf" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/118
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| 13:04 | <ball> Hmm... I can do that... just
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| 13:04 | <Lns> johnny: hasn't that been a redhat/friends bash alias for a while? along with ll, etc ?
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| 13:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: check that out
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| 13:05 | it's what I am using for lts.conf right now
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| 13:05 | <ball> Is it strictly 2D graphics only, or can a user play video?
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| 13:05 | <johnny> try CONFIGURE_X=F first
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| 13:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> and you are suggesting I put CONFIGURE_X=False in there?
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| 13:05 | <johnny> and drop the rest
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| 13:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> rgr
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| 13:05 | <johnny> that's my first start for any X problem
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| 13:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: should I keep [DEFAULT]?
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| 13:05 | <johnny> the next step is custom xorg.conf
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| 13:05 | yes.. always it is required
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| 13:05 | sadly
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| 13:06 | ball, sure. video will work.. but it will saturate your network
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| 13:06 | if you're not careful
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| 13:06 | <ball> johnny: I'm careful ;-)
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| 13:06 | <johnny> flash is especially terrible
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| 13:06 | that's why i am going to run flash and firefox locally
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| 13:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> ball: video playback works... ok. Flash will play in 320x200 at a reasonable frame rate
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| 13:07 | <johnny> just need more ram.
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| 13:07 | <ball> e.g. 100baseT between each terminal and the switch, 1000baseT from the switch to the central computer.
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| 13:07 | <ball> with a few terminals, no individual terminal can saturate the server's connection
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| 13:07 | ...that's my theory anyway.
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| 13:08 | I didn't even know flash was an option on Linux
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| 13:08 | <johnny> sure is..
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| 13:08 | flash10 even
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| 13:08 | <Lns> ball: Flash has been an option for a long time w/linux, just not SHOCKWAVE director
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| 13:08 | <johnny> but it only works with x86 and x86_64 machines
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| 13:08 | <Lns> not natively anyway
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| 13:09 | <johnny> Lns, did you see that 64bit is native now?
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| 13:09 | works like a charm
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| 13:09 | i removed nspluginwrapper :)
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| 13:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah
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| 13:09 | I saw that was released
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| 13:09 | * _UsUrPeR_ tips his hat to slashdot.org | |
| 13:09 | <johnny> linux has the best 64bit support
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| 13:09 | <Lns> johnny: yeah..I hear it's a bit buggy, but I'm very surprised as I remember Adobe saying they'd NEVER make a 64bit version of flash, even for win
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| 13:09 | <johnny> and the edge on alternative arches like arm
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| 13:10 | except vs mac osx :(
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| 13:10 | but definitely over windows..
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| 13:10 | there will be flash for arm too
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| 13:11 | * ball hugs ARM | |
| 13:13 | <ball> Does LTSP include any support for 3D, if the terminal has 3D hardware that's supported by X11?
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| 13:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> ball: I have personally tested glxgears @3000 FPS with a geforce 8600 on a client
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| 13:15 | ball: it requires the nvidia drivers to be installed on the client image.
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| 13:16 | <ball> Okay, that's good to know.
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| 13:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, so let's do a "what if" here. What if there is no Xorg logs showing up on the client.
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| 13:41 | what would that mean?
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| 13:44 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: Is X starting?
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| 13:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: yes. It starts.
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| 13:45 | I'm using a ltsp 1420 w/dual output (dvi/vga)
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| 13:45 | on the VGA sideit works
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| 13:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> on the DVI side, I have tried a few things ( http://pastebot.ltsp.org/118 ) with no positive results
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| 13:46 | sbalneav: that exact lts.conf worked perfectly in ubuntu 8.04
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| 13:47 | <sbalneav> And there's no /var/log/X... logfile?
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| 13:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: correct. There's nothing pertaining to X in the log file
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> But there is a Xorg.6.log? There's just nothing in it?
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| 13:48 | You're running on what, Ubuntu?
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: you need to specify SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 13:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> no. No Xorg.anything
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> if you specify SCREEN_02=shell
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| 13:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: lemme try that
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| 13:48 | * Gadi waves to sbalneav | |
| 13:49 | <sbalneav> Hey Gadi!!!
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| 13:49 | I'm back from the north.
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> u mean back from the cabin of solitude?
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| 13:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: good show
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> No, back from upgrading my servers in Thompson and The Pas to Hardy :)
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:50 | fix all ur hardy issues then?
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| 13:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: no. Xorg.7.log shows up now, but DVI is still an issue
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| 13:53 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Well, with the exception of one printing bug that crops up intermittantly, yeah. I'm using a post-hackfest backported ldm, which is working great.
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> nice
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| 15:01 | <warren> Hey, what version of gcc does Ubuntu 8.10 use?
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| 15:02 | <Eghie> gcc 4
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| 15:02 | <warren> what specifc version?
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| 15:02 | <Eghie> specific version I do not know
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| 15:02 | <johnny> gcc version 4.3.2 (Ubuntu 4.3.2-1ubuntu11)
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| 15:02 | <Eghie> I also have not a intrepid machine by hand
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| 15:02 | <johnny> and fedora for comparison..
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| 15:02 | gcc version 4.3.2 20081105 (Red Hat 4.3.2-7) (GCC)
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| 15:03 | so relatively close..
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| 15:03 | minus all the fedora or ubuntu patches..
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| 15:16 | <warren> what version of glibc?
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| 15:21 | <johnny> warren, 2.8~20080505-0ubuntu7
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| 15:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: what needs to go in an lts.conf in Fedora 9 to get it working properly with DVI
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| 15:34 | oh man, two warren summonings at once? :)
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| 15:34 | here's my current lts.conf
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| 15:34 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "LTS.conf in Fedora 9 -- Trying for DVI" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/119
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| 15:35 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: we do not support any X_ options in Fedora
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| 15:35 | _UsUrPeR_: you need to write those options into an alternate xorg.conf then point at it with X_CONF
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| 15:35 | we could support X* options but it will take quite a bit of time to rewrite the scripts to make it possible
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| 15:36 | and thus far only you've needed it
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| 15:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> huh. Ok.
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| 15:37 | Is there a special setting I need to use for DVI video output?
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| 15:37 | <warren> you need to tell X what it needs to do
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| 15:37 | with an xorg.conf
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| 15:37 | you can specify a specific xorg.conf with X_CONF=/path/to/somewhere
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| 15:37 | * _UsUrPeR_ checks his xorg | |
| 15:38 | <warren> If this is a particular pain I could move up the priority on getting X_* options working
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| 15:38 | but seriously, so few people need it
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| 15:38 | note that LTSP upstream's default doesn't respect X_* options anymore either
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| 15:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> Does DVI work well on non-via non-openchrome chipsets? If it were a choice, I would rather not have to put anything in to any conf file at all.
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| 15:40 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: generally yes, out of the bx.
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| 15:40 | box
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| 15:40 | _UsUrPeR_: if it isn't working for you then it is a video driver bug
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| 15:40 | detection is just failing
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| 15:40 | * _UsUrPeR_ curses via yet again | |
| 15:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> k
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| 15:41 | <warren> via seems to have a clue these days
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| 15:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'll see if I can't get an error out of the xorg.log and put up a bug for it
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| 15:41 | <warren> they're supporting openchrome development now
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| 15:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> err wait, there won't be a bug because it's putting out to the VGA port instead of the DVI port
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| 15:42 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: it should be detecting that
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| 15:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> Ok, would you like me to submit the Xorg.7.log with the bug?
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| 15:45 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: yes
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| 15:50 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: you should file this at the upstream openchrome project, there is absolutely zero we specifically can d about it
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| 15:50 | _UsUrPeR_: they might give you a patch eventually, you can point us at that patch and we can build it
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| 15:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: ok.
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| 18:38 | <lxj_> is any iTALC user here?
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| 20:13 | <lbs> stgraber:hi
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| 20:17 | How to make the iTALC in ltsp-server can automatic display thin-client?
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| 20:49 | <Ahmuck> lbs: i'm wondering as well
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| 21:26 | <johnny> lbs, you missed the proper time :)
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| 21:26 | <lbs> johnny:Yes,I think so.
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| 21:26 | :-)
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| 21:26 | just for fun!
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| 21:27 | johnny:could I know where are u from?
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| 21:27 | why not sleep?hehe.
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| 21:28 | <johnny> usa
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| 21:56 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:58 | <rjune__> !S
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| 21:58 | <ltspbot`> rjune__: "S" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:58 | <sbalneav> Evening
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| 22:08 | <alex_21> Hi,
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| 22:09 | I have a netvista 2290 that I want to set up with ltsp, but I have no clue howto with 5
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| 22:09 | 2200
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| 22:25 | <johnny> what's the difference?
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| 22:26 | with 5 vs 4..
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| 22:26 | <sbalneav> I don't think that has pxe booting does it?
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| 22:27 | alex_21: I think you'll need to load gPXE or something to the flashrom
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| 22:28 | <Ryan52> g 60
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| 22:28 | err, oops, wrong buttons :p
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| 22:30 | <sbalneav> alex_21: Still there?
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| 22:40 | <alex_21> Yes
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| 22:41 | <sbalneav> So, looks like you'll need to load gPXE into it's flash
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| 22:41 | how much ram does it have?
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| 22:41 | <alex_21> It doesn't in the older firmware, but they included something in later versions of the firmware to load over tftp
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| 22:42 | With Linux that is
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| 22:42 | 32 MB, but I can go up to 288 MB
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| 22:43 | <sbalneav> You're going to need probably at least 64 to even boot
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| 22:44 | ok, so which firmware do *you* have? :)
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| 22:46 | <alex_21> 2001 and I wan't to go to 2002, the latest, but I can't figure that out either
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| 22:48 | <sbalneav> How many of these do you have?
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| 22:48 | <alex_21> Two of them, but I can go up to seven
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| 22:51 | <sbalneav> So, I'm really not sure what question it is you have: Have you TRIED booting them, and you get an error message? Do you have an LTSP server set up?
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| 22:59 | alex_21: hello?
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| 23:22 | <alex_21> Hi
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| 23:24 | I can't get them to boot to even update the firmware over the network
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| 23:25 | Sjorry, I was with a friend doing techie support over the phone, so sorry for the delay.
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| 23:28 | But, yeah, would gpxe help, and how would I install it?
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