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Channel log from 29 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:41 | <nubae1> any bash scripters that can help me out? I'm trying to get the internal server ip only and have a convoluted way of doing it, but wonder if there is a better way, as my script assumes the ip is always on eth1
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| 02:42 | <ltsppbot> "Nubae" pasted "catch ip" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/9
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| 03:31 | <DawnLight> hello. i have an ibm netvista thin client here. it is an old thingy. the first problem with it is that it doesn't want to use pxe boot despite that i configure it's bios to do so. so it uses NFS. despite that i tell it not to do so. so i use nfs to give it the pxelinux.0 image and it fetches it and then it says that it is an unsupported file type... why?
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| 03:34 | <nubae1> DawnLight: doesn't the pxe network card have its own configuration panel (usually shift+f10 or some such)
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| 03:35 | <DawnLight> nubae1: i don't think so. this has a strange ibm configuration utility
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| 03:36 | <Q-FUNK> howdy!
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| 03:37 | <DawnLight> and it makes strange dhcp requests like 66 and 67 and two hundred or something
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| 03:37 | can you think of a reason?
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| 03:38 | i'll be back later
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| 03:49 | <nubae> hiu Q-FUNK
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| 07:23 | <ace_suares> how to make upstart recognize a new file/program that need to start at boot? Is rebooting the whole machine the only way ?
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| 07:39 | <Q-FUNK> ace_suares: it's suposed to be event-based, so there must be a way to launch it on the fly
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| 07:44 | <ogra> that question would probably better be asked in #upstart :)
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| 07:45 | though if the package/file/whatever uses a dbus service that will require a reboot anyway
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| 08:41 | <Warp4> ok a quick question...
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| 08:41 | we are running LTSP under Debian Etch here at work. I have a user that has an issue that everytime he clicks on the K menu it freezes and if he does it again it crashes.
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:51 | <Warp4> good morning
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| 08:56 | <DawnLight> so how does this localdev stuff works in the ubuntu hardy version?
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> DawnLight: Are you asking IF it works, or HOW it works?
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| 08:57 | <DawnLight> i have LOCALDEV=y and kde doesn't give me any notice
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| 08:58 | i have LOCALDEV=y and kde doesn't give me any notice
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> KDE won't pop anything up on the desktop
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| 08:58 | <DawnLight> oh no
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> You'll need to look on /media/<user>
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| 08:58 | <DawnLight> hmm
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> the mount will be there.
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| 08:58 | <DawnLight> ahuh
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> Also, have you added the user to the "fuse" group?
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| 08:58 | <DawnLight> yes
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 08:59 | <DawnLight> so does the mounting happen in the server?
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| 08:59 | <nubae> when installing packages for a plugin (under /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/) I have some unsigned packages... I know I can use --accept-unsigned-packages but I'd like not to have to do that...
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| 08:59 | <DawnLight> ah, i see. there is a fuse.ltspfs mount in the server
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| 09:00 | <nubae> doh, guess I can look at the accept-unsigned-packages and use that code :-/
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| 09:01 | <DawnLight> i can't see my files on the usb
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| 09:01 | is it soppused to be mounted on the client?
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| 09:01 | because it isn't
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> DawnLight: It's mounted on the server.
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| 09:02 | It will only mount on the client when it's being used
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| 09:02 | after 2 seconds of inactivity, it umounts
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| 09:02 | on the client
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| 09:04 | <DawnLight> but...
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| 09:04 | what does "used" mean?
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| 09:05 | <Warp4> we are running LTSP under Debian Etch here at work. I have a user that has an issue that everytime he clicks on the K menu it freezes and if he does it again it crashes.
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| 09:05 | <DawnLight> i go in /media/dawn/usbdisk-sda2 and do ls and nothing
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> DawnLight: Looking at it, copying to it, reading from it
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| 09:05 | <DawnLight> 2 seconds? not 2 minutes?
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| 09:10 | so anyway... it doesn't work...
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| 09:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> warp4: this is a single client?
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| 09:10 | <Warp4> yeah just one user
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| 09:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> when you say "user" do you mean a single username, or a single client?
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| 09:11 | <Warp4> a single username
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| 09:11 | no matter what workstation he logs on to, the same thing happens
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| 09:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh
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| 09:12 | hmm
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| 09:12 | that's a quandry for sure. Have you attempted to remove and re-add his account?
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| 09:13 | <Warp4> well id do that, but we use an LDAP backend for authentication
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| 09:13 | which also handles our dialup and email accounts
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| 09:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> ugh. That's my best advise, man. Sorry.
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> DawnLight: At a command prompt, can you type the command "id" as the user, and paste the results to our pastbot?
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| 09:21 | !pastebot
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| 09:21 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:35 | <DawnLight> sbalneav: thanks. it is working suddenly. i wonder if there's an inconsistancy
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| 09:38 | the lts-parameters.txt in the 5.0.40 version does not seem to be complete. is there an online version?
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| 10:06 | <nubae> hmmm, when creating a plugin, I use the following: APT_GET_OPTS="$APT_GET_OPTS --force-yes" to force unsigned packages... I put this in configure) but seems to be ignored
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| 10:26 | <nubae> say I want to add an extra repo to grab packages from during ltsp-build-client, where would I do that?
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| 10:30 | <nubae> I suppose --accept-unsigned-packages overrides whatever u define for $APT_GET_OPTS
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| 10:31 | <nubae> even if I hardcode --force-yes, ltsp-build-client still switches it off at install time
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| 10:31 | hi Gadi
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> g'morning
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| 11:00 | <nubae> so can someone help me... I'm trying to add an extra repo during ltsp-build-client build time, but not sure where I can do that, there must be a better way than doing echo "repo" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
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| 11:01 | <vagrantc> "ltsp-build-client --extra-help" should mention several commandline arguments...
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| 11:03 | <nubae> yeah but nothing about extra repos
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| 11:05 | <Warp4> ok another question...
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| 11:07 | <vagrantc> nubae: no --extra-mirror option?
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| 11:12 | <nubae> vagrantc: that might work, what I'm trying to do is get medibuntu (media repo with googleearth etc) to be included for a particular plugin
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| 11:12 | but requires signing too
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> nubae: well, use the other *mirror plugins as a base for a new plugin
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| 11:13 | <nubae> might be easier just to include the code in the main plugin
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> nubae: and i added a plugin on debian which will use whatever apt keyring your server uses to the client by default
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| 11:13 | <nubae> --copy-sources-list?
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> no
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| 11:13 | it's not a commandline option, just a plugin. don't think ogra has pulled it into ubuntu yet, if that's what you're using.
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| 11:14 | <ogra> --copy-sources-list?
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| 11:14 | it comes from ubuntu
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| 11:14 | <nubae> well the ltsp source has all the plugins, debians as well
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| 11:14 | <nubae> maybe u mean --apt-keys
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> just because it has the plugins, doesn't mean it uses them.
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| 11:15 | <ogra> it doesnt
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| 11:15 | <nubae> yeah but I can use the code :-)
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| 11:15 | look at and use
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| 11:15 | <ogra> it uses the Ubuntu plugins indeed, not the debian ones
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> simple symlinking should do.
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| 11:15 | <ogra> right
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> unless there's some incompatibility ...
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| 11:15 | <nubae> ogra, is it too late to include a --fatclient plugin in intrepid?
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| 11:15 | I've got it finished now
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| 11:16 | <ogra> nubae, its not to late but i wont have time
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| 11:16 | * ogra doesnt even have the time to chat here | |
| 11:16 | <nubae> ok :-)
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| 11:16 | <ogra> beta is on thursday
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| 11:16 | <nubae> ok, I'll bother u after
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| 11:16 | <ogra> i'll be lucky if i find some hours to even fix the worst ltsp things before that
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| 11:17 | and after only massively critical bugs get fixed
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| 11:17 | ltsp in intrepid will likely suck and i have to find someone to take care for it in jaunty
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| 11:17 | my time is way to limited
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| 11:18 | but stgraber already expressed some interest ... if debian wouldt always be so behind on stuff we could just use their packages :/
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| 11:18 | <nubae> so far the alpha 6 is ok... been using it for a while... just needed the usb fix...
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| 11:18 | which has already been posted... so I have no problems with it
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| 11:18 | <ogra> but it would break heavily in intrepid if i pulled just the lenny packages
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| 11:18 | i.e. no input at all etc
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| 11:19 | <nubae> hmmm
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| 11:19 | <ogra> yeah, filed bugs should still get some attention from my side
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| 11:19 | even after beta
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| 11:19 | but currently ubuntu-mobile keeps me massively busy
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| 11:19 | and jaunty will be worse
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| 11:19 | <nubae> well, I'm learning more and more, hopefully I can help out in the future
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| 11:20 | * ogra didnt expect to drown in 100s of mails a day after he released ubuntu-mobile | |
| 11:20 | <nubae> that popular eh?
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| 11:20 | <ogra> that would be best, getting a developer team together on ubuntu side
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| 11:20 | yeah, sadly
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| 11:21 | if i would have been able to predict that i would have released it a month earlier ... it was only supposed to show off some stuff we plan for jaunty ... but 100s of people use it
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| 11:21 | <nubae> I've been asked to put sugar onto ltsp... so that will be more learning experience, except the sugar packages are like 6 months behind on ubuntu
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| 11:21 | <ogra> http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/09/ubuntu-mobile-edition-news-and-first-boot-video/
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| 11:21 | yeah, jani didnt do many uploads of sugar after getting it in basically
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| 11:22 | <nubae> does he want someone else to take over packaging do u know?
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| 11:22 | <ogra> no idea
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| 11:22 | mail him :)
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| 11:23 | <nubae> well on launchpad there is a new sugar group set up 3 weeks ago
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| 11:23 | not sure the relation to jani
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| 11:24 | <nubae> but I'll mail him
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| 11:24 | <nubae> just one quick question... if I set up a cron job to copy across just non system users to the chroot daily, is there a security issue there?
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| 11:25 | <ogra> ah, i remember your paste ...
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| 11:25 | make sure to start at UID 1000
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| 11:26 | <nubae> ok, Fedora starts at 500...
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| 11:26 | its the simplest solution I could come up with and it works great, but wonder about security
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| 11:26 | <ogra> ah, i didnt know you implement that on fedora
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| 11:26 | its surey not massively secure
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| 11:26 | <nubae> well, I'm trying to keep it open, but the ubuntu one will start at 1000
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| 11:26 | <ogra> but i its only in your own network you can indeed close it down, put ssh keys in place etc
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| 11:43 | <nubae> funny I just noticed the edubuntu logo has chn
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| 11:43 | changed
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| 11:49 | <ogra> did it ?
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| 11:57 | <nubae> maybe its just me... the one guy with his hand pointing up seems to be the official logo on the site, so maybe its always been like that, but I just noticed it on the top menu too, and my older edubuntu install doesnt have that
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| 11:58 | <ogra> well, it was always like that
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| 11:59 | i replace distributor-logo.png in edubuntu-artwork since day one
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| 12:03 | <nubae> yeah I probably have a mix of ubuntu and edubuntu on the old system
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| 12:20 | <Lns> Is there any word on nbdrootd procs being left behind? I've been told before it doesn't affect stability/performance but was wondering if there is a way to clean them up (besides obviously rebooting).
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| 12:20 | gnome-watchdog doesn't help as it only deletes procs owned by the user logging in, and nbdrootd runs as 'nobody'.
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| 12:27 | <stgraber> I have pushed some of the fixes I have done here for ltsp-cluster in: https://code.launchpad.net/~stgraber/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 12:28 | I haven't tried regenerating a new chroot with these but run individually they work fine
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| 12:46 | <Lns> Bueller?
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| 12:46 | =p
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| 12:52 | <nubae> hi Lns
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| 12:53 | <Lns> nubae: hey!
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| 12:53 | how's it going
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| 12:54 | <nubae> yah not bad... just finished writing fat client plugin... working nicely...
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| 12:56 | <Lns> nubae: nice. what does it do?
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| 12:59 | <nubae> builds a fat client in the chroot instead of thin client
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| 12:59 | basically a netbooted workstation
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| 13:00 | <Lns> nubae: ooh, *the* fat client plugin. =p
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| 13:00 | nubae: how is the performance?
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| 13:00 | compared to a TC
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| 13:00 | <nubae> pretty damn nice... if u have the ram
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| 13:01 | <Lns> nubae: how much would you say is required?
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| 13:01 | probably at least 256 i'd imagine, with gnome/firefox/etc
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| 13:01 | <nubae> the main thing is, u can run video, audio, flash, blender, etc without any issues
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| 13:01 | yeah but it will even run on 128
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| 13:01 | <Lns> nubae: how does authentication work?
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| 13:01 | <nubae> I have a thincan here and it runs on that
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| 13:01 | I chose the simples path... copy non system users to the chroot with cron
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| 13:02 | <Lns> ah
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| 13:02 | so does your fat client plugin use nbd or nfs?
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| 13:02 | <nubae> nbd
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| 13:02 | <Lns> nice
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| 13:02 | <nubae> could work with nfs too, but this is faster
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| 13:03 | <Lns> and all fat clients are still diskless?
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| 13:03 | <nubae> only thing is had to figure out how to do the user synch between server and client... since nbd needs to be rebuilt every time user is put in
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| 13:03 | yep, but they can access local disks too
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| 13:03 | home is mounted over nfs
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| 13:04 | <Lns> So even loading a hefty s/w like OOo is fairly quick?
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| 13:04 | wait...its all loaded in RAM isn't it if it's nbd?
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| 13:04 | the whole chroot
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| 13:04 | <nubae> I'm running it right now on my test machine which is a 500mhz celeron with 500 mb ram
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| 13:04 | and its quite usable
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| 13:05 | <Lns> oh nm
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| 13:05 | <nubae> I'll send u the plugin if u want to take a look
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| 13:05 | <Lns> its ok... i wish i had the time to test it out :)
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| 13:05 | * Lns needs to take care of his 7 LTSP TC sites first | |
| 13:06 | <nubae> yeah... I hear ya... if u ever need any help with maintenance... I'm here :-)
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| 13:06 | got a lot of time on my hands right now
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| 13:06 | <Lns> nubae: really
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| 13:06 | what do you mean by maintenance?
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| 13:07 | <nubae> help with the servers... any kind
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| 13:07 | I know ltsp like the back of my hand now
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| 13:07 | <vagrantc> Lns: you could either bind mount or unionfs mount /etc/group and /etc/passwd for the syncing ...
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| 13:08 | nubae: oops, that was to you ^^
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| 13:08 | <Lns> vagrantc: oh wow you can mount single files w/unionfs?
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| 13:08 | <nubae> thats the other option I was looking at... but looks complicated
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| 13:08 | * Lns doesn't know much about nbd | |
| 13:09 | <vagrantc> nubae: well, you could have a cron job that copies those files to an NFS share... and have a cron job or other script that looks for updates to those files and merges them into the thin-client as it's running.
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| 13:09 | or use something other than NFS
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| 13:10 | <nubae> merging how?
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> well, how do you do it now?
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| 13:10 | clearly you already have a way to handle it, no?
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| 13:11 | <nubae> copy across non system users and rebuild image
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| 13:11 | its in a cron.daily script
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> so, instead of re-building the whole image, copy the files somewhere the thin-clients can get at, and if they're updated, copy them into place on the thin-client
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| 13:11 | <Lns> Obviously something like LDAP would be a more elegant solution, although a whole other ball of wax
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> indeed
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| 13:12 | simpler in some ways, more complicated in others.
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| 13:12 | <nubae> yeah thats possible, but then I have to make sure the server and client are installed and all the config files, its much more complex
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| 13:12 | <ogra> rsync through ssh would be an elegant solution
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| 13:12 | * ogra always fails to see whats elegant about ldap | |
| 13:12 | <Lns> vagrantc: definitely... but you know, LDAP seems to fit well with LTSP in many viewpoints
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> nubae: if you're already mounting /home over nfs, you could copy /etc/group and /etc/passwd there...
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| 13:13 | * ogra always thinks about ldap as a sucks least solution, but the wrod elegant would never cdome to his mind | |
| 13:13 | <nubae> how do I get the thin client then to read it there?
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> nubae: cron job on the thin client/
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| 13:13 | ?
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| 13:13 | <nubae> ok, so cronjob that copies from nfs mount to local?
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| 13:14 | <Lns> ogra: well IMHO, LDAP is a much more stable solution than having "copies" of user/group data in different places that can get out of sync
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> nubae: right
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| 13:14 | nubae: or play with bind-mounting them...
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| 13:14 | <nubae> hmmm... yeah I'll look at that, but I think the other solution I can implement right away...
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| 13:14 | I'll keep bind mounting for version 2
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| 13:15 | :-)
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| 13:15 | ok... going to eat bbl
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| 13:15 | * ogra thought that was v2 :) | |
| 13:15 | <ogra> didnt you start that in gutsy ?
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| 13:15 | <nubae> yeah but this is one that is publicly usable
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| 13:15 | the other one needed lots of manual tweaks
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| 13:15 | this needs none, it just wokrs
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| 13:15 | works even
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| 13:17 | <Lns> ogra / vagrantc: can I pick your brain for a sec re: nbdrootd procs being left behind? Is there any way to clean them up nicely?
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| 13:17 | <ogra> well, lets look if we can pull it into the extra-plugins stuff in the ubuntu package so you can get some feedback
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| 13:17 | Lns, tcpd should care
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| 13:17 | <ogra> tehy will stick around for the keepalive time it has compiled in
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| 13:18 | <Lns> ogra: what is the keepalive time? I'm sure it's not long, all of my hardy servers have stale nbdroot procs owned by 'nobody'
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| 13:18 | <ogra> might be 10h, i forgot
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| 13:18 | <Lns> oh wow
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| 13:18 | <ogra> probably vagrantc still remembers
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| 13:18 | we once looked that up
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| 13:19 | <Lns> i doubt there's an lts.conf/other option to change that, eh?
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> 2h
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| 13:19 | <Lns> Gadi!
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> lns!
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| 13:19 | <Lns> hmm.
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| 13:19 | =p
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> you can adjust keepalive time in procfs
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| 13:19 | <ogra> no, its a server side setting
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| 13:20 | nothing to adjust n lts.conf
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| 13:20 | <Lns> ogra: oh yeah, duh.
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| 13:20 | Gadi: any reason why it can't be shorter of a time? I'm assuming keepalive is so that if network connectivity is lost it doesn't have to respawn.. ?
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| 13:21 | <ogra> ask tcpd upstream ?
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| 13:21 | <Gadi> no - keepalive sends messages to the client and kills the daemon if the client does not respond after that time
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| 13:22 | depending upon the daemon you are having tcpd monitor, you may want long or short times
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| 13:22 | I think 2h is a compromise
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| 13:22 | <ogra> i really think its much longer
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| 13:22 | <Lns> Gadi: ok, so what if the client reboots? does it use a specific socket for that proc? in other words, if the client reboots and spawns a new nbdrootd process, will the old one timeout?
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> also depending upon the network
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| 13:23 | the old one should time out, I think
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| 13:23 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:23 | <Lns> it's weird..I have 3 logged in users on one server w/72 nbdrootd procs running
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| 13:24 | in a 35 TC lab
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| 13:24 | <Gadi> well, are all thin clients on?
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| 13:24 | users don't matter
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| 13:24 | (I love saying that)
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| 13:24 | <Lns> lol
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| 13:24 | thats true. i'm sure the TCs are on, yes
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| 13:24 | <Gadi> nbd is about workstations that are on
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| 13:24 | irregardless of users
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| 13:24 | <ogra> so each uses one nbdswap and one nbdrootd
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| 13:24 | <Lns> right...but why have twice as may procs as TCs?
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| 13:25 | <ogra> in case you have swap enabled
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| 13:25 | <Lns> ogra: i grepped 'nbdrootd' specificaly
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| 13:26 | ok I think i get it more now... definitely, if the stations are on nbdrootd will be active (users don't matter!).. maybe the old procs were just because of a whole lab reboot recently.
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| 13:26 | All other sites have 30-40 nbdrootd's running, which is normal i'm sure.
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| 13:28 | <Gadi> Lns: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time
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| 13:28 | btw
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| 13:28 | <Lns> Gadi: ty!
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| 13:29 | Gadi: 7200
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| 13:29 | <Gadi> in other words, you can adjust with /etc/sysctl.conf, if you like
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| 13:29 | 7200 = 120 * 60 seconds = 2 hours
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| 13:30 | <Lns> Gadi: cool. wasn't sure the units
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| 13:31 | * Lns loves his "district-wide script for running commands automatically" script | |
| 13:31 | <Lns> 7200 at all sites.
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| 13:31 | So, ok, it's a non-issue I guess. :) Thanks for the clarification all
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| 13:45 | <ogra> yippiiiie
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| 13:45 | * ogra dances | |
| 13:45 | <stgraber> ogra: ?
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| 13:46 | <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current/ ...
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| 13:46 | finally got the datacenter convinced to do what i want
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| 13:46 | <stgraber> s/cdimage/chromium/
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| 13:46 | * ogra was hacking on the build scripts for day snow | |
| 13:46 | <ogra> *days
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| 13:47 | <stgraber> doh, chromium is as slow as beryllium ... will be hard to do ISO testing for the beta
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| 13:47 | * stgraber dances too :) | |
| 13:48 | <stgraber> ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --ltsp-cluster --ltsp-cluster-control 192.168.0.4 --ltsp-cluster-lbserver 192.168.0.5
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| 13:48 | and you get ltsp-cluster installed and configured
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| 13:48 | <ogra> 706M ... not even that big
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| 13:48 | congrats !
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| 13:48 | <stgraber> only bad point, it's using a PPA and then has to use -y --force-yes
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| 13:49 | when will we have signed PPAs ? :)
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| 13:50 | <ogra> stgraber, there is a bug ...
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| 13:53 | hmm, cant find it
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| 13:53 | <stgraber> yeah, for a long time I guess
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| 13:54 | <ogra> yeap
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| 13:54 | <stgraber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/125103 ?
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| 13:54 | <ogra> cjwatson subscribed me once but i lost it it seems
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| 13:55 | yep, thats the one
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> stgraber: looks like i had a little time anyways ... so, regarding your patches ...
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> stgraber: curious if for the password loop we couldn't do "while ! passwd root ; do ..." instead of set +e passwd root ... while $? = 0 ... passwd root ...
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| 14:28 | stgraber: the PULSE_SERVER thing should probably only happen if SOUND=True ... which i think should be available in the script. and then you'll need boolean_is_true from ltsp-common-functions (or wherever it is)...
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| 14:31 | stgraber: and it might be good practice to validate the sudoers file with visudo -c -f /etc/sudoers and revert if problems arise...
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| 14:33 | stgraber: i'd actually do things like adding ltsp-cluster-client to EARLY_PACKAGES or LATE_PACKAGES rather than installing directly... and using the mirror related functions to add that stuff
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| 14:33 | stgraber: but if ogra finds it acceptible as is, i don't see any reason not to merge it.
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| 14:34 | <ogra> i agree with your comments, and beyond that trust your judgement :)
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| 14:34 | if you want it usable on debian you should also make sure the package depends on sudo
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> if aplugin installs other ltsp-related packages, shouldn't we review the code there, too?
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| 14:35 | before merging it into upstream
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| 14:36 | <warren> Gadi: vagrantc: ogra: i have to tag things later today or early tomorrow
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| 14:36 | get stuff in
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| 14:37 | <ogra> feel free
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> warren: !!!
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| 14:37 | <ogra> i'm in beta freeze
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| 14:37 | <warren> ogra: did you folks disable the e1000e driver for the beta?
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| 14:37 | <ogra> and dont do much work on ltsp anyway (no time for that, mobile is to groundbraking )
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| 14:37 | <warren> ogra: pretty nasty!
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| 14:37 | destroying hardware and all that
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| 14:37 | <ogra> warren, yes
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| 14:37 | but i think there was a recent fix
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| 14:38 | so it might be enabled by the actual beta release
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| 14:38 | yeah
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| 14:38 | <warren> ogra: not according to my read upstream...
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| 14:38 | <warren> ogra: there isn't a fix yet, only patches to help identify what is causing it
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| 14:39 | <ogra> ah, right, i mixed that up with a fix to e1000
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| 14:39 | e1000e is still broken
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| 14:39 | <warren> very
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| 14:40 | <ogra> the mean thing is that tesing can get really expensive if you work on that bug
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| 14:40 | <warren> yes, which is why everyone is deferring to Intel
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| 14:40 | everyone is disabling the driver for now
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| 14:40 | <Q-FUNK> hm
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| 14:40 | <warren> pretty bad given all intel hardware for almost 2 years needs e1000e
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| 14:40 | <ogra> who are not the fastes to do fixes by own experience
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| 14:40 | <warren> my older ICH7 hardware uses e1000e but isn't effected by the problem
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| 14:41 | <Q-FUNK> given the break on e1000, I wouldn't be surprised if a similar fuck up in the kernel is what prevents the deb60 from working
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| 14:41 | <warren> Q-FUNK: don't make assumptions
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| 14:41 | <ogra> and e1000 is fine :)
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| 14:41 | <warren> Q-FUNK: e1000e seems to be a stupid design decision in the ICH8 and ICH9 hardware
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| 14:41 | <ogra> e1000e isnt
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| 14:41 | <warren> ogra: e1000e on pre-ICH8 is fine
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| 14:41 | * ogra kicks hal | |
| 14:41 | <Q-FUNK> ditto for recent changes in the wifi driver
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| 14:42 | <ogra> evil thing
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| 14:42 | <warren> Q-FUNK: there were other big changes in 2.6.26+ that might be of concern
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| 14:42 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 14:42 | and many of those came from intel
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| 14:42 | <warren> Linus forced people to rip out an entire part of the VM for example, because it was ugly. It made performance really bad.
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| 14:42 | <warren> He's forcing people to fix it.
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| 14:43 | * ogra is happy so far with 2.6.27 though | |
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