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Channel log from 19 March 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:49 | * vagrantc continues to experience ugly hard drive failures | |
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| 01:42 | <vagrantc> this is why i work with diskless technologies.
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| 01:44 | <nick125_lappy> Hahah
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| 01:44 | You could start using SSDs
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| 01:44 | <vagrantc> sounds tempting...
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| 01:45 | are they reasonably priced?
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| 01:45 | yet
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| 01:45 | <nick125_lappy> not really :(
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| 01:46 | * vagrantc could use really durable technology | |
| 01:47 | <vagrantc> that'd be more important to me than power
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| 01:47 | <nick125_lappy> I know sandisk makes a 32GB SSD, but, I can't find it on their site
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| 01:48 | it looks like they only sell them to OEMs
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| 01:49 | In the 8 years I've been working with computers, I've only had 1 hard drive failure
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| 01:50 | actually, almost 9 years
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| 01:50 | <vagrantc> if there weren't hard drive failures, i would have never started lessdisks, which eventually turned into my involvement with ltsp :)
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| 01:50 | but i mostly work with used equipment
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| 01:50 | <nick125_lappy> The reason I'm interested in diskless stuff is because the noise of hard drives
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| 01:51 | <vagrantc> noise, power, heat...
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| 01:51 | all interrelated
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| 01:53 | <nick125_lappy> Taking the hard drive out of machines makes them so much quieter, even with the standard fans and so on
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| 04:45 | <mistik1> nick125_lappy: I never really knew just how much noise my computers made until I worked in an office with pure thin-clients
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| 07:47 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> morning 4 * #ltsp | buenos dias para todos #ltsp
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| 08:15 | <pscheie> morning all
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| 08:24 | <Jenna> morning
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| 08:48 | <zzaza> hi all
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| 08:49 | <Jenna> hey zzaza . gabor ?
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| 08:53 | <zzaza> Jenna, hi
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| 09:00 | <zzaza> Any one here with experience of xterminal installation with a KWort linux
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| 09:01 | Kwort is a slackware based distro
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| 09:03 | <cliebow_> there are a few notes on wiki..
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| 09:04 | for slack
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| 09:04 | !wiki
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| 09:04 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: "wiki" is the LTSP wiki. You can find it at http://wiki.ltsp.org
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| 09:04 | <Jenna> hey cliebowy
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| 09:07 | <cliebow_> Hey Jennay 8~)
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| 09:08 | <Jenna> hehe
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| 09:16 | <jammcq> Scotty SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq!!!
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| 09:17 | <Jenna> hey jammcqy , sbalneavy
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| 09:17 | <ogra> scottiee !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra
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| 09:18 | <ogra> sbalneav, you have probs with pulse ?1?
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> Yeah! I was testing last week's build, and I had a bunch of problems, got a minute?
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| 09:18 | <ogra> sure
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| 09:18 | whicvh ltsp-client version is in the chropot ?
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> ok, here's what I ran into from thursday's -server iso:
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| 09:18 | <ogra> *chroot
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> 1) chroot failed to build on install.
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| 09:20 | <ogra> oh ?
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| 09:20 | please check the ltsp version
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> yeah, failed with a return code of 1
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| 09:20 | <ogra> 5.0.2 had a lot of fixes
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| 09:21 | might be that you still have 5.0.1 on the cd
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> but, after a reboot, I rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386, and ltsp-build-client, and it worked fine.
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| 09:21 | <ogra> right, 5.0.2 had some dependency changes that should sort the CD
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> So, I was going to re-check on the weekend, but the i386 iso's didn't rebuild.
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| 09:21 | <ogra> its there now
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| 09:22 | the kernel was out of sync with d-i
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| 09:22 | then i386 usually doesnt build
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| 09:22 | <sbalneav> ah, ok, well, I'll re-try the new iso tonight.
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| 09:22 | 2nd problem:
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| 09:22 | <ogra> and please file bugs ...
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| 09:22 | its very critical that i get everything done until thu ...
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| 09:23 | (beta release is somewhat locking me in)
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| 09:23 | * ogra listens | |
| 09:24 | <sbalneav> Yes, will do, wanted to run them by you first. Second, it didn't pick up the second network card config. My primary network card dhcp resolved to a 10.0.0.x ip, the "free" card should have been set to 192.168.0.254, correct?
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| 09:24 | <ogra> yep
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> Network mangler seemed to be at the bottom of that one.
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| 09:24 | <ogra> by the installer, after ltsp-build-client finished properly
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| 09:24 | that should be fixed as well with fridays CDs
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> Ah, ok, maybe since ltsp-build-clieent failed, that bit buggered up.
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| 09:25 | <ogra> NM is da evil
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> ok, I'll re-try the iso's tonight.
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| 09:25 | <ogra> but i need it for the liveCD, so it has to stay in -desktop
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> 3) pulse wasn't starting.
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| 09:26 | if I MANUALLY started it on the workstation with the same options in the startup, it worked.
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| 09:26 | <ogra> SOUND=True was set ?
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> Yep.
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| 09:26 | <ogra> or Y or Yes or whatever :)
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| 09:26 | (boolean handling got a lot better thanks to vagrant)
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| 09:27 | thats weird ...
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> Yes, it was set. I didn't do too much debugging, I'll track it down tonight.
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| 09:27 | <ogra> i havent seen it failing since weeks
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| 09:27 | actually since i added the fixed options to the initscript
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> ok, I'll run it down tonight.
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| 09:28 | <ogra> i just did an ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom with fridays iso ...
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> Finally, yeah, the handbook didn't have all the work I had done, so I'm updating a few more things. I lost my svn access when it moved from hedgemages server to the docteams server, so I'll finish that off today, and email LaserJock the diff
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| 09:28 | <cliebow_> d-i..could you elaborate? i see this in vendor encapsulated options in both ppc and i386
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| 09:29 | <ogra> no breakage ...
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| 09:29 | cliebow_,debian-installer
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> Since he has access
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| 09:29 | <cliebow_> was hoping to differentiate between ppc and i386 root-path using this bit no dice..
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| 09:29 | <ogra> sbalneav, what i saw looked like an old 4.0 howto or something
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| 09:30 | talking about xfree 3.something etc
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| 09:30 | <sbalneav> Yeah, well, I brought across a buch of the 4.x docs that we did, and then started updating them to fit with the new 5.0 way of things.
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| 09:30 | <ogra> right
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| 09:30 | and i already saw a different version from you ... thats why i rang the bell :)
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| 09:30 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 09:32 | <pscheie> sbalneav: did you see the message on the list from Jim Kronebusch asking about LDA on PPC clients?
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| 09:32 | <cliebow_> i did
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| 09:32 | <pscheie> and?
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| 09:32 | is it mostly an issue of getting fuse to work on ppc?
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| 09:32 | <ogra> sbalneav, dou you still have the install you tested ?
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| 09:32 | i'd be intrested in /var/log/installer/syslog
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> ogra: I do, it's at home. I'm at work at the morning.
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| 09:33 | <ogra> please send it to me
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> I'll send it to you tonight.
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| 09:33 | <pscheie> cliebow_: any ideas on the vncreflector with ppc problem?
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| 09:33 | <ogra> (ne3eds to change permissions first, its root owned and 0600)
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| 09:33 | <cliebow_> pscheie, havnt had a chjance to look at it..as if that would help...
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| 09:34 | <ogra> whats wrong with fuse on ppc ? works here
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| 09:34 | (snce edgy already)
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| 09:34 | <pscheie> ogra: I thought I saw that, but couldn't find it at the moment;
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> pscheie: Which list, I'm not seeing it.
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| 09:34 | <pscheie> ltsp
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| 09:35 | I got it on 3/16 at 2:04pm
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| 09:35 | * ogra doesnt see it either and thought he was subscribed to all ltsp lists | |
| 09:36 | <pscheie> basically he asked what it would take to get lda and fl_teachertool working w/ppc clients
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| 09:36 | for lda, the important piece is fuse, and you built the rest, right?
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| 09:36 | <cliebow_> i dont know what package has vnc.so...used to be xvnc4viewer i theenk
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| 09:37 | <pscheie> for fl_teachertool, it needs vncreflector for the monitor and control pieces
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| 09:37 | which get all the "Oooh" and "Ah!" responses in demos
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| 09:38 | <cliebow_> vnc4-common perhaps? ..installed in the chroot?
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| 09:38 | <pscheie> Daniel Howard posted a note to schoolforge about a school using a webcam with fl_tt to do the same thing as a smartboard but for less $ and more functionality
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| 09:38 | down in Atlanta
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| 09:39 | a LOT less $
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| 09:39 | using thin clients
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> ogra: new artwork looks awesome, btw. usplash screen is 1x10^100 times better.
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| 09:46 | <ogra> :)
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| 09:46 | thanks
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| 09:47 | i liked the yellow/orange ... but this time we're less saturated :)
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| 09:47 | so it doesnt hurt your eyes ;)
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> The yellow/orange was just toooooo much. Plus, there wasn't enough contrast on the progress bar.
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| 09:48 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:49 | i'm looking forward to have the svg support in ldm, then we can mimic the new gdm theme
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| 09:49 | it looks very cool imho
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> You know that yellow/orange colouring psycologically makes you hungry, right? Thats why all fast food places have colour schemes based on that.
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| 09:49 | i.e. mcdonalds, burger king, etc.
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| 09:50 | <ogra> we should starting to send out CDs plkus burgers then through shipit :)
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> You've complained to me a couple of times about gaining weight in the last few years. Now we know why. :)
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| 09:51 | <pscheie> put the CDs in Happy Meals
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> Replace the patty with an edubuntu cd.
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| 09:51 | It'd be more nutricious anyway.
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| 09:52 | :)
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| 09:52 | <ogra> pscheie, awesome idea, i'll forward it to our marketing dept. ;)
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| 10:04 | <cliebow_> pscheie, havnt put my finger on anyhing..
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| 10:04 | <pscheie> I haven't had time to dig into it either
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| 10:04 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> OT : someone can hit and see the website www.sld.cu ?
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| 10:06 | <pscheie> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: it's slow as molasses; got just the title so far
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| 10:06 | <ogra> sbalneav, btw, did you test the edubuntu iso or ubuntu ? ubuntu might not have a -386 kernel anymore ...
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| 10:07 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> pscheie: be pacient .. i need slow before nothing
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| 10:07 | <cliebow_> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, slow
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| 10:07 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> but show ?
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| 10:07 | <pscheie> not yet...
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| 10:07 | okay, it just came up
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| 10:08 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> cool
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| 10:12 | <gepatino> hi, i'm stuck trying to convert a client into a print server, using edgy
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| 10:12 | it was working when using dapper + ltsp 4, but cant make it work using edgy
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| 10:13 | i' ve tried to follow the initscripts, and everything looks ok, but lp_server is not loaded in the terminal
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| 10:14 | <ogra> gepatino, check if the parport and lp modules are loaded on the running client ...
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| 10:16 | <gepatino> ok ...
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| 10:16 | <ogra> some HW seems not to be able to report the existence of the parallelport to the kernel properly so it doesnt load these mods ... which results in the device not existing, which in turn means lp_server wont start
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| 10:16 | <gepatino> parport is loaed, but not lp
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| 10:16 | <ogra> load lp
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| 10:16 | <gepatino> i 'll try loading lp
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| 10:16 | <ogra> if that works, just add it to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules, that should solve the issue
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| 10:17 | jammcq, woah, ltsp-update-kernels gotr scary quiet .... i just thought something failed
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| 10:18 | <dem> ogra: do you have the code for the latest version of ltsp(5) for ubuntu availble somewhere?
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| 10:18 | <gepatino> isn't it the same to load i from MODULE_nn directive in lts.conf?
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| 10:18 | (load it, sorry)
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| 10:19 | <ogra> dem, https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp
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| 10:19 | gepatino, /etc/modules is faster ... doesnt require an extra cycle in the initscdript ;
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| 10:19 | *initscript
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| 10:20 | <gepatino> ok, but /etc/modules is used for every client, isn't it?
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| 10:20 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:20 | but if the HJW doesnt exists the module will simply not load
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| 10:20 | *HW
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| 10:21 | <dem> ogra: awesome, thx
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| 10:23 | <ogra> sbalneav, jammcq, for the UDS it will be required that we'll have the specs ready in advance this time ... we should probably do a meeting or something to discuss in advance what we want ...
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| 10:30 | <gepatino> ogra, it still doesn't print... thanks anyway, i'll try to get the client loggin in the server. is lp_server supposed to log anything?
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| 10:32 | <ogra> add SYSLOG=server to your lts.conf and enable -r in /etc/default/syslog ...
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| 10:32 | that should puzt all logging into 7var/log/syslog on the server
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| 10:34 | * vagrantc wonders if it isn't SYSLOG_HOST | |
| 10:34 | <ogra> hmm, might be :)
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| 10:35 | i dont have to set that anymore, its in my default file for edubuntu since feisty ...
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| 10:35 | <gepatino> i've already done that, thanks... but it appears to be that lp_server doesn' t have anything to say :(
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| 10:36 | <ogra> nope, its SYSLOG=server ... but simply because our boolean handling sucked in edgy i guess :) ...
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 10:36 | or is it SYSLOG=?*
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| 10:37 | i still have that pending syslog related patch for debian ...
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| 10:37 | <gepatino> lp_server is running, parport and lp loaded, but no sheet going out of the printer....
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| 10:37 | <ogra> SYSLOG=something would work too ... as long as you dont set SYSLOG_HOST it will default to "server"
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| 10:37 | gentgeen__, how did you set up the printer ?
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| 10:38 | err gepatino
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| 10:38 | (on the desktop i mean)
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| 10:38 | <gepatino> no err... the jobs appear as printing or queued
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| 10:38 | <Guest801> hello ...
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| 10:38 | i m bip
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| 10:38 | connetcing from location
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| 10:39 | <gepatino> connection shuld be through hp direct, isn t it?
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| 10:39 | <Guest801> i have a old k laptop i wanna turn into a thin client here
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| 10:39 | <ogra> gepatino, did you use gnome-cups-manager to set it up ?
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| 10:39 | <Guest801> k6 laptop
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| 10:39 | <ogra> yes, it should be handled as hp jetdirect printer ... by default on port 9100
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| 10:39 | <Guest801> it doesnt boot from network so i uess imust use etherboot and floppies right ?
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| 10:40 | hi ogra
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| 10:40 | its the first time i need to etherboot so i have soe basic questions ...
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| 10:41 | <gepatino> ogra: yes, i've used gnome-cups-manager
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| 10:41 | <Guest801> will this network card support it ?
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| 10:41 | <ogra> works fine here for me with my deskjet510 testprinter ...
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| 10:41 | Guest801, rom-o-matic should be able to tell you
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| 10:42 | <gepatino> Guest801: you can check the cards that works at rom-o-matic.net
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| 10:42 | oh.. late
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| 10:42 | <gepatino> this printer problem is weird... the same machine was workin on friday, befor i reinstalled the server using edgy+ltsp
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| 10:42 | <Guest801> it s a 32-bit CardBus 10/100Mbps Nway Fast Ethernet PC Card
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| 10:43 | <ogra> gepatino, can you paste your lts.conf to the pastebot (see topic)
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| 10:43 | ?
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| 10:43 | <Guest801> ok so i check rom-o-matic docs first right ogra ?
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| 10:43 | <cliebow_> Guest801, get a pci id?
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| 10:43 | <ogra> Guest801, cardbus cards will versy likely not work ...
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| 10:44 | <Guest801> ok
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| 10:44 | so i better get ready to buy a new one
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| 10:44 | <cliebow_> we had a flop\
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| 10:44 | <Guest801> the problemis that this laptop has got no onboard nic
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| 10:44 | <cliebow_> that initialized pc cards..
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| 10:44 | <ogra> well, i dont know of any cardbus or other pcmcia cards that can netboot ...
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| 10:44 | <Guest801> so i can buys a new nic
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| 10:44 | <cliebow_> but it is ancient and now thew kernel is so large it wownt fit
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| 10:44 | on as flop
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| 10:45 | <Guest801> mm what about using a cliebow ?
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| 10:45 | <cliebow_> ?
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| 10:45 | <Guest801> ok thyea cd ...
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| 10:45 | <pscheie> Guest801: if the laptop still has a working hard drive, you could install kernel there that supports pccard
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| 10:45 | <Guest801> sorry
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| 10:46 | it has a hd running windows now
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| 10:46 | so the problem is size
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| 10:46 | <pscheie> make it dual boot?
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| 10:47 | <Guest801> well it has a very small hd
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| 10:47 | <pscheie> you only need a few MBs for the linux partition
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| 10:47 | <Guest801> and i m not interested in having it as a dual boot system it s really too slow to be useful running windws
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc> Guest801: you can't spare 5-10MB for the linux kernel and initramfs image?
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| 10:47 | <pscheie> then wipe the windows
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| 10:48 | <Guest801> i want just to turn it into a diskless terminal
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| 10:48 | <pscheie> Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> howdy
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| 10:48 | <pscheie> been waiting for you!
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| 10:48 | <Guest801> yes vagrantc i thnk i can scrap a few mb for linux boot up
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> uh oh
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> Guest801: wipe windows and put a linux kernel on it, and hack the initramfs image to support pcmcia cards.
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| 10:48 | * Gadi starts fumbling for his keys | |
| 10:48 | <pscheie> I got an ebox 2300 just the other day
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| 10:49 | it has a SiS7019 sound
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| 10:49 | <vagrantc> Guest801: the hard part will be adding support for pcmcia cards ...
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> pscheie: sounds like ur gonna be rolling kernel mods...
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| 10:49 | ;)
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| 10:49 | <ogra> an ubuntu initramfs shouold support pcmcia out of the box ... but you need to teach it to use / from nfs :)
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> cheaper aint always better :)
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| 10:49 | <pscheie> I got Barry Cisna's snd-sis7019.ko module off the k12ltsp wiki
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| 10:49 | <Guest801> mmm
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 10:50 | <Guest801> ok lemme understand
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| 10:50 | <pscheie> it works with the default sound package from 4.2
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| 10:50 | <Guest801> pc card support is toolarge to fit into afloppy right
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| 10:50 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:50 | <pscheie> but with your oss-alsa package, the driver loads but then I get a bunch of alsa errors and no sound
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| 10:51 | can you point me in the direction I need to go to fix this?
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| 10:51 | <Guest801> so i need to fiure a way to boot from hd mybe after slightly shrinkin windows right ?
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> pscheie: thats bizarre - it appears to be an alsa module
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| 10:51 | <Guest801> i can t just wipeit because its bein used right now
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> but, maybe I know one thing it might be
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| 10:51 | <pscheie> I thought so, too, but figured I just didn't grok how it all fits together
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> pscheie: what kind of errors do you see?
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| 10:52 | <pscheie> lsmod shows the module is loaded
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> and are you using the same kernel as he did?
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| 10:52 | <Guest801> is this the same with every pc card ?
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| 10:52 | or some of emr better at net booting ?
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| 10:52 | <pscheie> client kernel you mean? yes
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> so, what kind of errors are they?
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| 10:53 | <pscheie> hold on, gotta plug it in...
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| 10:53 | <gepatino> ogra: is it any special requirement for lp_server to work, memory, for example? this is an _old_ machine (pentium mmx, 16 Mb) but worked with ltsp 4
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> Guest801: pc cards, as a rule, are pretty bad with net booting
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| 10:54 | <Guest801> r we talkin about this ?
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| 10:54 | <ogra> oh207, indeed, set NBD_SWAP=True in lts.conf ... so you have network swapspace, 16Mb is way to small
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| 10:54 | <Guest801> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootingFromLocalDevice
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| 10:55 | <gepatino> ogra: NBD_SWAP is on
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| 10:55 | <ogra> gepatino, our minimal req for ltsp5 is 32M .... you are lucky it even boots
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| 10:55 | recommended are 48M and more ...
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| 10:55 | <Guest801> vagrantc i m bip this my first real deployement and alli have got is this old laptop with pc card
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| 10:56 | <ogra> 64 should be qa good value to get all features without swapping
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| 10:56 | <Guest801> so i should get it to boot somehow vagrantc
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| 10:56 | ;-)
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| 10:56 | every pc card vagrantc ?
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| 10:56 | or some r bettern then other ?
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| 10:56 | <vagrantc> Guest801: you'd probably save many days of your life by simply finding something else.
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| 10:56 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:57 | <vagrantc> Guest801: i would cut your losses now.
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| 10:57 | <Guest801> a different client u mean vagrantc ?
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| 10:57 | or a different card ?
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| 10:57 | what s your wise advice vagrantc ?
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| 10:58 | <vagrantc> Guest801: get a client with a network bootable nic.
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| 10:58 | <gepatino> ogra: well.. it works, and since it' s supposed to be only a print server (no gui, SCREEN_7=shell) it seems to work quite fine
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| 10:58 | <vagrantc> Guest801: which pretty much means, not a pc card.
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| 10:58 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 10:58 | <gepatino> well, not that fine, it doesn't print
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| 10:58 | :)
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| 10:58 | <ogra> if you run it without X the reqs are way less indeed
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| 10:58 | <Guest801> and this client cannot be a laptopwith a pc card right vagrantc ?
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| 10:58 | <ogra> and without sounds and localdev support :)
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| 10:59 | <Guest801> ok
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| 10:59 | <ogra> these three are the memory hogs ...
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| 10:59 | <vagrantc> Guest801: that it my recommendation, yes.
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| 10:59 | <Guest801> ok
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| 10:59 | <ogra> gepatino, can you cat some text directly to /dev/lp0 to get output ?
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| 10:59 | <Guest801> i have 2 problems here:
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| 10:59 | <vagrantc> Guest801: i have long wanted pc card support, but it's getting less and less relevent as they become more and more obsolete.
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| 10:59 | <ogra> (on the client console)
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| 11:00 | <Guest801> 1 they have verylimited budget so reusing what they already have voul be the best bet
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| 11:00 | <vagrantc> Guest801: what's the budget for your time?
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| 11:00 | Guest801: do not undervalue your time.
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| 11:01 | <Guest801> 2 they have limited desk space so a laptop wa the bet thing to use
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| 11:01 | well i have already spent somany hours on this project that a couple days more wont make any difference va
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| 11:01 | <gepatino> ogra: i'll try cating something to /dev/lp0
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| 11:01 | <Guest801> well i have already spent somany hours on this project that a couple days more wont make any difference vagrantc
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| 11:01 | i just wonder if it s doable
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| 11:02 | i don t mind speding some time on it
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| 11:02 | <vagrantc> it is doable, it just may take a few days or weeks or months
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| 11:02 | <Guest801> days ok
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| 11:02 | months or week are not
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| 11:02 | they need to be upand runing in a coupleof weeks
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| 11:02 | * vagrantc will not repeat vagrantc's recommendations | |
| 11:03 | <Guest801> yeah
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| 11:03 | <ogra> its a huge amount of work, but if you know exactly what you are doing you might be able to do it in days ...
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| 11:03 | <Guest801> i got your point
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 11:03 | <ogra> if not weeks or months are a better guess
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| 11:03 | <Guest801> well
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> what ogra said
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| 11:03 | <Guest801> i know what i m doing
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| 11:03 | but i dont know it exactly
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> Guest801: how much customizing of initramfs images have you done?
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| 11:03 | <ogra> you are very edxperienced in building kernels and making them use nfs roots ?
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| 11:03 | <Guest801> none vagrantc
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| 11:04 | <ogra> so go for weeks
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| 11:04 | <Guest801> no i am not ogra
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| 11:04 | i know what u r talin about
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| 11:04 | so i m not totally clueless
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| 11:04 | but i m still clueless ...
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| 11:04 | not totally
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| 11:05 | but clueless :(
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| 11:05 | <vagrantc> ok, well... you'll need to add pcmciautils to the initramfs, write scripts that run them properly, add the appropriate pcmcia modules to the initramfs, and make sure they load properly.
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| 11:05 | <ogra> and make the initramfs use the right rootpath via nfs
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| 11:05 | <Guest801> well i have a smarter friend i could whipinto doin that maybe vagrantc -
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| 11:06 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, that is alredy in initramfs-tools
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| 11:06 | <Guest801> shall i start whipppin ? ;-)
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| 11:06 | <ogra> vagrantc, how does it know the server ?
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| 11:06 | <vagrantc> ogra: dhcp ?
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| 11:06 | <ogra> it needs the server ip etc
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| 11:06 | <Guest801> well dhcp cant give those ogra ?
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| 11:06 | <ogra> well, i never tried that with a local kernel ...
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| 11:06 | <Guest801> mmm
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| 11:07 | ok
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| 11:07 | <ogra> not sure that works as expected
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| 11:07 | <Guest801> sounds experimental
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| 11:07 | <vagrantc> ogra: it does.
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| 11:07 | <ogra> ah, ok
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| 11:07 | * vagrantc has done it many times. | |
| 11:07 | <Guest801> mmm
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| 11:07 | <vagrantc> that's actually how the qemu scripts work
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| 11:07 | <Guest801> maybe i should hire u vagrantc ?
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| 11:07 | <ogra> ah, cool
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| 11:08 | <vagrantc> Guest801: that's another workaround... you could just run a virtual machine on the laptop in fullscreen :)
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| 11:08 | <gepatino> ogra: cating a ps file to the port, worked fine, but still cant print from the network
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| 11:08 | <pscheie> Gadi: um, it actually seems to be working with my k12ltsp 6 server
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| 11:08 | <vagrantc> Guest801: well, i'm not sure how long it would take me.
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| 11:08 | <ogra> gepatino, but you see lp_server in the processlist on the client ? and iot listens on the right port ?
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> pscheie: heh
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| 11:08 | <cliebow_> ogra: so what do you think a junior canonical employee could command for salary..40 grand 50 grand??
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| 11:08 | <vagrantc> Guest801: and don't have much free time at the moment, sadly.
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| 11:08 | <pscheie> it wasn't this past weekend with the k12 ver. 5 server
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| 11:09 | and they're both ltsp 4.2
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| 11:09 | <gepatino> ogra: yes and yes
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| 11:09 | <ogra> cliebow_, heh, i wont give public advise for canonical salaries :) *g*
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| 11:09 | <gepatino> ogra: i must be missing something somewhere but don't know where
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| 11:09 | <Guest801> do u know anybody availblewith the required skills vagrantc
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| 11:09 | <cliebow_> doing salaray negotiation with the district..
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| 11:09 | <Guest801> ?
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| 11:10 | <ogra> gepatino, seems like ... weird ... can you paste your lts.conf to pastebot ?
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| 11:11 | <vagrantc> Guest801: asking around in this channel would be my only guess
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| 11:12 | <pscheie> Gadi: k12-5 has kernel 2.6.17.3 whereas k12-6 has 2.6.17.8
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> there ya go
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| 11:13 | <ltsppbot> "gepatino" pasted "lts.conf file" (50 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/61
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| 11:13 | <pscheie> any idea what changed between those that would enable the later kernel to work?
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| 11:13 | <gepatino> there you have it ogra
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| 11:13 | don't worry about printer_1_device, the one im using is printer_0
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| 11:14 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:14 | looks sane so far
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> pscheie: it was probably compiled against the newer kernel
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| 11:15 | you would need to recompile against the older one (or even easier, use the newer kernel on your k125 box)
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| 11:15 | <gepatino> i've even tried changing lp ports in case something had switched them, but nothing
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| 11:15 | <ogra> you are using xdmcp, you know that you wont have localdev and sound support out of the box with it, right ?
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| 11:15 | <pscheie> can I just drop the newer kernel on my old box?
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| 11:16 | <gepatino> ogra: yes, i know. i'm solving some issues in some terminals with ldm, but some people here is getting nasty about printing :=
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| 11:16 | <pscheie> or do I need updated libs too?
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| 11:16 | <ogra> gepatino, are you sure you are using the right ip for the setup in gnome-cups-manager
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> pscheie: you would need the kernels in /tftpboot and the libs in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/
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| 11:17 | <ogra> thats the only thing coming to mind here ... since .ps from the client works it seems to be an issue on the users session
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| 11:17 | s/on/of/
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| 11:17 | <gepatino> ogra: well... i haven't tried with the ip, but name services are resolving the names without any problem
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| 11:18 | <ogra> try the ip for a test
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| 11:18 | <gepatino> im on it
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| 11:19 | same result... nothing
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| 11:19 | <pscheie> Guest801: if you have money to put toward an etherboot floppy that supports PCMCIA, have a look at http://www.bristolwireless.net/wiki/index.php/PCMCIABootGPXE
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| 11:20 | Gadi: or perhaps I'll just upgrade the whole box to ver. 6
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| 11:20 | <gepatino> i'll try to get another printer to my terminal to see if I make it work, but those laserjets doesn't fit in my desk...
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| 11:20 | <ogra> gepatino, weird ...
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| 11:20 | <pscheie> except KGeography is missing from KDE Edu package; it's in the source, but not the binary
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| 11:20 | <ogra> well, if you have it working from the clients commandline, there is no need to change the printer ...
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| 11:20 | <pscheie> I submitted a bug report weeks ago, but no movement on it yet
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| 11:20 | <Guest801> well depends from the amount of money pscheie
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| 11:21 | <gepatino> maybe its the terminal, thanks ogra, i'll try changing it for a better one
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| 11:21 | <ogra> since oin an HW level everything seems fine
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| 11:21 | <pscheie> Guest801: I think they were looking for ~$5700
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| 11:21 | <gepatino> well, in that case i could make a manual queue, people write ps files to /opt/lstp/i386 and someone cats them to the printer... just need to find that person ;)
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| 11:21 | <pscheie> Not sure how many have contributed so far
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| 11:22 | <ogra> gepatino, thats a very weird hack
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| 11:22 | <Guest801> well out of my budget now
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| 11:22 | <pscheie> Guest801: you might try to track down Ben Green on the ltsp mailing list for an update on it
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| 11:22 | <Guest801> but not totally out in the future
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| 11:23 | <gepatino> ogra: thanks anyway, when i find how to make it work, i'll let you know
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| 11:23 | <ogra> gepatino, thanks, i'm very intrested ... feel free to mail me: ogra@ubuntu.com in case i'm not around here
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| 11:28 | <Guest801> what about usb based network interfaces r those even worse then pc cards ?
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| 11:28 | <ogra> they should be fine with a local kernel ...
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| 11:29 | but are as well unlikely to netboot
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| 11:29 | <pscheie> gadi
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| 11:29 | <ogra> problem here is to find one thats not broadcom based and uses a free driver :)
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| 11:29 | <pscheie> Gadi: I am seeing some amixer errors on my 2300 at boot with the newer kernel
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| 11:30 | <vagrantc> what i wouldn't give for a network bootable USB network card...
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| 11:30 | <ogra> :)
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> pscheie: are they related to a channel not being there?
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| 11:31 | <Guest801> 5700 usd maybe vagrantc ? ;-)
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> pscheie: some sound cards have different names for the audio channels than I used in my rc.sound script
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| 11:31 | pscheie: if you take a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound, you'll see the amixer lines
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| 11:32 | you may need to drop into a shell and see what the channels are called
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| 11:32 | <pscheie> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
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| 11:32 | so sounds like it ( no pun intended)
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| 11:32 | how do I do that?
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> pscheie: at a shell, type: amixer scontrols
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| 11:35 | <pscheie> terminal shell or an xterm shell within the gui?
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| 11:35 | at a screen_02 shell it says same error as during boot
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| 11:41 | <pscheie> and in an xterm it also says "Mixer attach default error: No such device"
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> sorry
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| 11:52 | screen02
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| 11:52 | all of this is client side
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| 11:53 | <pscheie> good, that's what I was trying, although the result is the same: no such device
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> and the module is loaded?
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| 11:54 | <pscheie> yep
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| 11:54 | <Gadi> can you run alsamixer?
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| 11:54 | <pscheie> I actually get some sound although it's really quiet, can barely hear it, but I'm just using headphones atm
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| 11:54 | I figure that's a limitation of the amplifier in the client
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:55 | <pscheie> alsamixer also give a 'no such device' error
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> weird
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> sounds like a crappy module
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| 11:56 | ;)
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| 11:56 | <pscheie> or crummy hw
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| 11:56 | :-)
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| 11:56 | but it looks cool and we all know form matters more than function
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> well, if it worked without my pkg, that means that it must really be using OSS-emulation
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| 11:56 | lol
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| 11:56 | <pscheie> ;-)
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> does this work:
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| 11:58 | <pscheie> oss-emulation = not everything works?
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> aumix-minimal -v90
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| 11:58 | ?
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| 11:59 | <pscheie> well, it doesn't give an error, so I suppose that's an improvement
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> oss-emulation is alsa's mechanism for supporting drivers and apps that need to use OSS
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| 11:59 | <pscheie> it doesn't give anything, just goes back to a prompt
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> does it make it louder?
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| 11:59 | play a sound
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| 12:00 | <pscheie> woohoo! yes it does make it louder!
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> ok - crappy module
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| 12:01 | :)
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| 12:01 | so, you can uncomment that line in your rc.sound
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| 12:01 | you may want to add this to the end of it: 2>/dev/null
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| 12:01 | <pscheie> is there a way to uncomment for just that client, though?
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| 12:02 | <Gadi> just in case it produces an error for proper modules
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| 12:02 | nah, but it may not interfere with the other mods
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| 12:02 | itll just throw up an error msg
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| 12:02 | (most likely)
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| 12:03 | <pscheie> tx, I'll do that, and test it with my Dells which need your package (as soon as I finish my pizza)
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| 12:39 | <gepatino> ogra: are you there?
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| 13:00 | <pscheie> cliebow_:ping?
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| 13:03 | <cliebow_> pscheie, Pong
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| 13:09 | <pscheie> for fl_teachertool, does vncreflector run on the server and talk to xvnc on the clients?
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| 13:11 | Robert Arkiletian, who would really know the answer to that question, was just asking about the status of incorporating PPC clients
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| 13:11 | I'm just trying to understand how it all fits together
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| 13:12 | and it seems to me that what's mostly needed is the vncserver running on the ppc client
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| 13:14 | <cliebow_> i believe he depends on vnc.so on the client..
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| 13:15 | <pscheie> so we just need to compile that for ppc, right?
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| 13:17 | <cliebow_> it should be part of a package that can be apt-gotten after chroot to the ppc file system
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| 13:17 | <pscheie> or yummed ;-)
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| 13:17 | <cliebow_> well in ltsp5
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| 13:18 | you Are talkiing ltsp5 right?
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| 13:18 | <pscheie> perhaps, although it would be nice to get it working for 4.2 (k12ltsp 6)
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| 13:18 | <cliebow_> we do not have a chroot for 4.2
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| 13:19 | for ppc
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| 13:19 | either bill_c never finished up..or he is off the grid somehow
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| 13:21 | so we screwed for the time being on 4.2
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| 13:23 | pscheie:But you Can use the ltsp5 chroot and kernel from a redhat Box..thought he local device bits may be afu
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| 13:25 | i Have booted a ppc from an i386 ubuntu box fine..one that already had ltsp-server-standalone built on it
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| 13:52 | <stratus> sbalneav: ping
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| 13:52 | * vagrantc welcomes stratus | |
| 13:52 | <sbalneav> stratus: pong
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| 13:52 | <ogra> sbalneav, stratus seems to have a nice usb floppy patch for ltspfs
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| 13:53 | <sbalneav> Or, ICMP ECHO REPLY, should you desire.
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| 13:53 | Which, for the udev?
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| 13:53 | <ogra> since my usbfloppy still doesnt work and i cant test, i'd like you to make sure the code doesnt clash with the existing floppy code
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| 13:53 | <sbalneav> udev rules, I should say
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| 13:54 | <ogra> i'd like to add it after beta if the release managers allow it ...
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| 13:54 | <stratus> sbalneav: heh, yeah
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| 13:54 | vagrantc: hey!
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| 13:54 | sbalneav: http://people.debian.org/~stratus/bzr/stratus-ltspfs/
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: did you ever merge my upstream stuff?
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| 13:54 | sbalneav: for ltspfs
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| 13:58 | hmmm.. apparently not
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> What was it you changed? Something to the C code, or something in the support stff
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| 13:58 | ?
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i changed the add_fstab_entry mainly
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| 14:01 | and i added in some code that was released in the ubuntu package that wasn't in bzr
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> stratus: What did you change?
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| 14:02 | <stratus> sbalneav: add_fstab_entry (device naming scheme) and new udev rule for usbfloppies.
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/vagrant-ltspfs-debian-packaging
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| 14:03 | oops
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| 14:03 | http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/vagrant-ltspfs
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| 14:03 | <stratus> btw, could you point me to a working recipe or implementation for localapps or sound using pulseaudio (i'm interested in GNOME only stuff) ?
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i think stratus's code is based off of mine
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| 14:04 | <stratus> vagrantc: exactly.
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| 14:04 | stratus-ltspfs was branched out from vagrant-ltspfs
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so if you merge his, you'll get all my stuff too
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| 14:04 | <stratus> vagrantc: hints about localapps or sound?
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> Looks ok, I can try it tonight.
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| 14:05 | * sbalneav shakes head | |
| 14:05 | <sbalneav> I'm looking in the AUTHORS file.
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| 14:05 | <stratus> sbalneav: huh?
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> ADD YOUR NAMES YOU SCHMUCKS :)
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| 14:05 | Geez, if you're gonna WRITE stuff for ltspfs, might as well get credit :)
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| 14:06 | <stratus> no, i'm not the only to blame about that! :-P
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> I'm pointing to vagrantc on that one as well.
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| 14:06 | <stratus> heh
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> stratus: add yours and vagrantc's names to authors.
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| 14:06 | <stratus> sbalneav: ok, will do. :)
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| 14:07 | <Lumiere> lol
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> stratus: localapps is not really implemented. sound should be ... SOUND=True in lts.conf
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| 14:09 | <stratus> vagrantc: output only?
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| 14:10 | <stratus> sbalneav: revision pushed
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| 14:10 | <dem> jim or anyone else, which file do i have to edit to have out think clients look for xdcmp broadcasts
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> danka
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| 14:12 | dem: Do you mean, which file do I need to edit to allow the server to listen for XDMCP broadcasts?
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| 14:12 | And, what distro are you running?
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| 14:12 | <stratus> sbalneav: do you know about any localapps implementation over ltsp in edubuntu?
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> Umm, localaps isn't quite going yet. We need a good network authentication scheme.
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| 14:13 | <dem> no, for my ltsp think clients
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| 14:13 | <stratus> sbalneav: network auth scheme or be sure what's thin-client X, Y and Z ?
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| 14:14 | sbalneav: nothing even running everything locally in thick clients scenario?
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| 14:14 | <dem> i want them to search for xdcmp server instead of doing gdm/ldm whatever
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| 14:15 | <sbalneav> dem: I don't think we currently support a "broadcast" for xdmcp. I could be wrong, but I think you can only specify one server.
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> stratus: you'll have to ask ogra if he got input working with pulse ... but pulse support in debian isn't there yet
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| 14:15 | <stratus> vagrantc: We were working with pulse in mind, yes.
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> stratus: network auth. If you're going to run, say, firefox locally, as "stratus", the thin client needs to mount your home directory, and have some concept of who "stratus" is.
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| 14:16 | <stratus> vagrantc: What do you mean with pulse support in Debian? It works for multiple regular machines. I'm able to use gstreamer plugin to connect on a remote pulseaudio server yet.
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| 14:17 | <dem> well i just need to know which file starts X11
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| 14:17 | so i can hack it up
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> Which version of ltsp are you running?
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| 14:17 | <dem> 5
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| 14:17 | <stratus> sbalneav: Sure. What i wanted is share experience on setup with full localapps, not just a few apps that is trickier in my environment since I've (more than normal) virtualized users.
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| 14:17 | <dem> on ubuntu
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| 14:18 | <sbalneav> the dir with the screen scripts is:
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| 14:18 | > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d
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| 14:19 | for XDMCP, hack up the "startx" one.
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> stratus: the ltsp packages in debian do not have support for pulseaudio
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| 14:20 | stratus: it wouldn't be hard to add, but i haven't added it due to the etch freeze
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| 14:21 | <stratus> vagrantc: oh, i did you read the wiki article on novell website? We've started tests based on that notes.
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> stratus: i suspect the ltsp package in etch, while they work, we'll want to have really good support for backports
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| 14:21 | <xtc> could ltsp support multiple users logged into the same terminal?
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| 14:22 | <stratus> vagrantc: after working on gconf hashes we will be back for more ltsp / ltspfs patches.
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> stratus: haven't looked at it, no
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| 14:22 | <stratus> xtc: multihead? xserver-xephyr, maybe?
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| 14:26 | <xtc> stratus: multihead supports multiple terminals per user right? not the other way around? but i'm not sure what xephyr is.. like nested logins? but im working on the backbone of a smarthouse design for a university (and yes im underqualified, but i like the challenge), and nested logins seems like a hack at the solution.
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| 14:28 | <stratus> xtc: don't you want to plug multiple keyboards and mouses on the same station (thin-client or not) ?
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| 14:29 | <xtc> actually we're looking into multi-touch monitors. nice and non-traditional.
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| 14:30 | <stratus> xtc: oh, ok. I'm sorry.
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| 14:30 | <xtc> stratus: lol. sorry? its a prototypical house. time for some experimentation.
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| 14:30 | * Gadi is confused as why you would need multiple users logging into a single terminal at one time | |
| 14:31 | <stratus> Gadi: learning together, maybe.
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| 14:31 | xtc: go for xephyr then ;)
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> learning together?
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| 14:32 | use multiple terminals and vnc and share the session
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| 14:32 | or look over each others shoulder ;)
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| 14:33 | <stratus> vagrantc: where's the Debian's main ltsp branch?
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| 14:37 | <xtc> gadi: not really learning together. potentially, thin clients are to be integrated into a variety of surfaces, ranging in size and usability. this particular need is focused on 'smart tables'. see http://www.youtube.com/v/UcKqyn-gUbY for a nice example.
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> stratus: it's in debian copyright
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| 14:37 | stratus: er, debian/copyright
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| 14:37 | <stratus> vagrantc: oh, ok. our wiki article and stuff like that are outdated.
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> quite probably.
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| 14:39 | stratus: i posted to the mailing list about the move ... i think we should probably yank listing each and every branch from the development page
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| 14:39 | stratus: in fact, we should move LTSPDevelopment to LTSP/Development
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| 14:40 | stratus: http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/main , to answer your question more directly :)
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| 14:42 | <stratus> vagrantc: heh, the URI looks saner
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> stratus: we should probably just point to the main branch, the top level for all the branches hosted there, and maybe a pointer to the "releases" section
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> stratus: but i'm currently without a web browser, for the most part :)
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| 14:45 | <stratus> vagrantc: I'll move the page in minutes, don't worry.
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| 14:46 | <xtc> so i guess that means we should look elsewhere and/or figure this out ourselves ?
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> Headin out, need to upgrade monitor/ram at the university law centre. I'll be on tonight.
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| 14:47 | * vagrantc shakes fists at sbalneav | |
| 14:47 | <vagrantc> and when you return, you better be ready to do some bzr action
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| 14:47 | or.... else!
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| 14:53 | <Blinny> xtc: Any time you're that far beyond the standard scope of what most folks are doing, you will be figuring a lot of things out!
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| 14:54 | <xtc> blinny: yeah, i was jus hopin that there were some foundations on which to build.
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> xtc: cool touch screen
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| 14:55 | is that what ur using?
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| 14:55 | <CBaci> Hey all..been using K12LTSP for three years now, this is the first time I've logged on the irc
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| 14:55 | <xtc> something similar. we had a few research groups working on these multitouch screens, but im not sure where they left off.
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> xtc: it still seems to me like each one would be a thin client terminal
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> if you were to integrate it with ltsp
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| 14:57 | <CBaci> I've got a question about SDL development. Has anyone ever done it in a LTSP environment? I'm trying to set the unix environment variables
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| 14:58 | <xtc> gadi: we would like it to be a thin client in order to make it easy to move one session to another terminal, access the user's data remotely, utilize cheaper and quieter client hardware, etc. we're not sure whether they'res already something we can build on, something we can hack, or whether we'll have to build it from the ground up.
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| 14:59 | <MetztliXictli> !LDA
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| 14:59 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: Error: "LDA" is not a valid command.
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> !localdev
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| 14:59 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "localdev" is Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> xtc: right, but each one of those touchscreens would be a thin client going back to a central server, yeah?
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| 14:59 | <xtc> yeah
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> so, from ltsp its not new
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> it might be possible to do one of those multi-head setups with multiple keyboards and mice and monitors as a thin-client ...
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| 15:02 | <xtc> so if we treat the touchscreen as a fragmented terminal, ltsp could theoretically work, right? the question then becomes how to fragment the terminal, which i'll have to check into.
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> why fragmented?
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| 15:03 | the touchscreen = monitor+mouse
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| 15:03 | thats all
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| 15:04 | <xtc> true, but i was talkin about sorta tricking ltsp into thinking that it was speaking to multiple terminals.
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| 15:05 | <mistik1> huh?
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> right, but why?
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| 15:05 | ony 1 person can use the touchscreen at a time
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| 15:05 | its just input/output
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| 15:05 | <lizk12> In the last second when the terminal is about to show the servers screen an error occurs and there is an error message: something like: before reporting problems, check http:// wiki.X.org to make sure you have the latest version.... Please also check the log file at "/tmp/mnt/xorg.log (but there isn't that file in the server) I changed the ethernet card but it didn't make any difference.
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| 15:06 | <xtc> so that multiple people could login simulateously. --blushing-- it is just i/o, but say we want 2 ppl logged in a couple feet away (with a larger table than in the video), and they want to share a file just by "handing" it to the other person.
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> all of that happens on the server
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| 15:08 | its just displayed on the monitors
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| 15:08 | the users arent logged into the monitor at the same time
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| 15:08 | <Blinny> lizk12: /tmp/mnt/xorg.log is on the terminal - if default, you you can ctrl+alt+F2 to get to a local terminal and read it there
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> but they are logged into the server at the same time
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| 15:08 | from 2 different monitors
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| 15:09 | let the app on the server manage what gets displayed
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| 15:10 | <xtc> okay maybe i dont understand how ltsp works very well. can we have 2 users at the same monitor (== touchscreen) logged onto the server synchronously?
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| 15:10 | i know traditionally this isnt how it works but...
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| 15:11 | <Gadi> you want to split the monitor into 2 screens?
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| 15:11 | is that it?
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| 15:11 | <Gadi> with 2 sessions running on the one monitor?
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| 15:11 | <xtc> sort of, except with an arbitrary number of mobile and resizable screens.
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| 15:13 | ideally there would be no necessary physical separation (one users screen could partially cover anothers), except the app on the server knows who owns what files. then security becomes an issue, but well get to that in time.
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 15:14 | sounds like you need to hcak together a special xorg module
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| 15:14 | that works like Xinerama-ish
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| 15:14 | to handle multiple screens
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> just seems like a nested X server would do the trick, such as xephyr
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> and then have almost sessions within resizable windows for each user
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| 15:15 | yeah
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| 15:15 | something like that
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| 15:15 | basically running X in a window for each user
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| 15:15 | sorta
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| 15:15 | <xtc> hmm. ill look into it. thanks guys.
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| 15:22 | <pscheie> Gadi: uncommenting the aumix line in rc.sound works for the 2300
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| 15:22 | tx for your help
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| 15:22 | <Gadi> pleasure
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| 15:22 | does it produce an error on the other boxes?
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| 15:23 | <pscheie> no, or not that I saw anyway
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| 15:23 | why is that?
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| 15:23 | I would think that it would
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| 15:24 | but all I see is the amixer messages, all successful, flying by
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> well, it adjusts oss volumes and I load the oss-emulation even for the regular alsa mods
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| 15:24 | so, maybe thats why no error
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| 15:25 | <pscheie> with pulse we actually get volume control in software on the clients, right?
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| 15:26 | <Gadi> i believe so - I havent had time to play much (but upgraded this lappy to feisty last night!)
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| 15:26 | <pscheie> beta, right?
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| 15:26 | <Gadi> yup
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| 15:27 | <pscheie> what do you notice is different/better?
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| 15:27 | <Gadi> so far, only notice the networking diffs
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| 15:27 | <pscheie> like what?
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| 15:27 | <Gadi> they do a lot more automagic stuff
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| 15:28 | that I instinctively try to fight
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| 15:28 | ;)
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| 15:28 | <pscheie> is wireless better?
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| 15:28 | <Gadi> prolly depends on ur card
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| 15:28 | but, when my card does come up right, it seems to find the aps
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| 15:28 | ;)
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| 15:28 | I have a lot of junk on this lappy
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| 15:29 | and Ive been dist-upgrading it since breezy
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| 15:29 | i never know what im gonna break
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| 15:29 | <pscheie> I usually don't have good luck upgrading, and ultimately go for the clean install
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| 15:30 | but I've got a new laptop now with edgy, and many partitions
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| 15:30 | * Gadi is gluttonous and mostly for punishment | |
| 15:30 | <pscheie> so perhaps I'll install another edgy and try the dist-upgrade
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| 15:31 | Yeah, I always think "Fixing whatever breaks during the upgrade will be a great learning experience"
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| 15:31 | and what I usually learn is I can't do upgrades
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| 16:41 | <gepatino> ogra: are you around?
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| 16:42 | <gepatino> hi... anyone here?
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| 16:43 | <irule> me
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| 16:43 | hello
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| 16:44 | <gepatino> hi, i'm quite new to this channel, do you know if any ltsp developer is connected?
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| 16:44 | <irule> beat's me, shy dont you let me take a shot? ;)
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| 16:44 | <MetztliXictli> hi irule
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| 16:45 | <gepatino> well... i've been setting up a ltsp server with edgy, and found a bug in ltsp-client-setup
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| 16:46 | it only configures the first printer defined, and it doesn't start lp_server for other printers
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| 16:47 | the solution was quite simple, but as i couldnt find ogra and i'm leaving the office i file a bug at launchpad including the patched function
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| 16:47 | but i don't know if that's the right place to do it
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| 16:49 | <irule> post the URL of your patch here
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| 16:49 | please
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| 16:50 | I think you can just 'leave a message' ;)
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| 16:50 | MetztliXictli oh hi how are you?
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| 16:50 | <MetztliXictli> Mexico
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| 16:51 | <irule> MetztliXictli que pues como estas?
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| 16:53 | <gepatino> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/93863
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| 16:56 | <MetztliXictli> bien paisano
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| 16:56 | irule, has puesto algun cyber con ltsp
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| 16:56 | <irule> MetztliXictli si, lo tuve durante dos a;os :)
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| 16:57 | <MetztliXictli> y luego
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| 16:57 | irule, antes de que existiera youtube
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| 16:57 | necesito hacer que el audio de youtube funcione en los clientes
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| 16:58 | <irule> sirve el sonido de cualquier otra cosa?
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| 16:59 | en mi cyber nunca ofreci sonido jejeje
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| 17:00 | era un pentium4 1.5ghz y 256 RAM con 10 tontas de 200 mhz con 64 RAM
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| 17:03 | <irule> MetztliXictli necesitas instalar alsa
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| 17:04 | <MetztliXictli> en los clientes
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| 17:04 | <irule> http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Getting_flash_to_work_with_sound_in_64_bit_platform aqui ignora el hecho de que es para 64 bits, solo ajusta deacuerdo
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| 17:43 | <mistik1> Gadi: Check /tmp for alpha2 when you get back to PC
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| 17:51 | <MetztliXictli> irule, conoces algun tarifador de tiempo para ltsp
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| 17:53 | <irule> http://www.google.com.mx/search?q=ltsp+cyber+cafe&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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| 17:53 | yo usaba shell script
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| 17:53 | <MetztliXictli> lo tienes?
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| 17:53 | <irule> huy no lo siento hace siglos que lo cerre y los archivos ya no existen
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| 17:55 | <MetztliXictli> oh
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| 17:55 | <MetztliXictli> irule, no te dio el cyber
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| 17:55 | <sbalneav> ogra: ping
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| 17:56 | <MetztliXictli> sbalneav, hi
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| 17:56 | <sbalneav> Hello MetztliXictli
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| 17:56 | !seen ogra
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| 17:56 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 4 hours, 2 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <ogra> i'd like to add it after beta if the release managers allow it ...
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| 17:56 | <MetztliXictli> que haciendo sbalneav
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| 17:56 | <sbalneav> Where do I live? Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
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| 17:58 | <irule> http://silentcoder.co.za/silentcoder/content/view/13/39/
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| 17:58 | MetztliXictli cierto, el cyber no fue negocio para mi
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| 17:58 | ahora gano mas con ltsp sin cyber, en una escuela les puse ltsp con rdesktop\
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| 18:00 | <MetztliXictli> irule, que bien
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| 18:00 | mexico verdad
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| 18:04 | <irule> si claro, estoy en Guadalajara
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| 18:04 | <MetztliXictli> workeas con ltsp
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| 18:05 | <irule> si
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| 18:05 | ahora administro ltsp para una escuela de computacion con 35 terminales X
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| 18:17 | <MetztliXictli> orale
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| 18:18 | que server tienes?
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| 18:18 | !sound
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| 18:18 | <ltspbot> MetztliXictli: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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| 18:35 | <MetztliXictli> irule, tengo un problema
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| 18:35 | no le entiendo ni papas al manual
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| 18:35 | apart tengo debian y eso es para red hat
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| 19:00 | <jammcq> http://www.novell.com/news/press/novell-introduces-suse-linux-enterprise-thin-client-solution
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| 19:09 | <cliebow> jammcq:hhhh,,and it is all i can di keep my thin clint solution flying here..
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| 19:14 | Cripes!
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| 19:19 | <jammcq> heh
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| 19:20 | <cliebow> sbalneav get bitten byt /self/fdo thing?
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| 19:21 | <jammcq> hmm, I know he had a problem, not sure if that was it
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| 19:22 | <dem> is novel doing their own thin client thing from scratch?
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| 19:26 | <irule> MetztliXictli la distro no importa
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| 19:26 | <cliebow> hqah:yes..no ideas taken from ltsp
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| 19:52 | <MrChicken> hello
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| 19:53 | has anybody tried to run ltsp over a VPN?
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> MrChicken: someday someone is going to answer "yes, and it didn't work very well" :P
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| 20:07 | <cliebow> sucks
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| 20:07 | if you mean true ltsdp
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| 20:11 | <MrChicken> lol
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| 20:11 | vagrantc... at this rate the one saying that will be me =)
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| 20:16 | <MrChicken> vagrantc ... correct me if I'm wrong, but all I need to get ltsp to boot over a vpn is to get the vpn client the dhcp parameters that specify the pxe booting, right?
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| 20:19 | <jammcq> MrChicken: are you talking about the VPN being over a WAN ?
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| 20:19 | <MrChicken> yes
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| 20:19 | the VPN is over internet
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| 20:19 | I mean
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| 20:19 | <jammcq> NFS will perform vary poorly over a VPN/WAN connection
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| 20:20 | <sbalneav> MrChicken: LTSP will not work well, if at all, over the internet.
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| 20:20 | <MrChicken> y?
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| 20:20 | <jammcq> yep
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| 20:20 | <sbalneav> We get asked this about 100 times a year.
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| 20:20 | <jammcq> and we'd love to be proven wrong. but.... still, nobody has done that yet
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| 20:21 | <sbalneav> Check the mailing list archives for lots of discussion about it.
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| 20:21 | <MrChicken> jammcq ... btw a bit off topic. I'm also having trouble getting sound on X
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| 20:21 | i can get it on the console of my client... but cant seem to get it to X
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| 20:22 | :(
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| 20:23 | <sbalneav> What version of LTSP are you using?
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| 20:23 | <MrChicken> 4.2
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| 20:23 | <sbalneav> !sound
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| 20:23 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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| 20:23 | <MrChicken> been there, done that
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| 20:23 | when I open xterm
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| 20:24 | I get an error that reads something like:
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| 20:24 | <MrChicken> unable to cnnect to ws100ltsp:XXXXX incorrect parameter
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| 20:24 | or something like that
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| 20:24 | where XXXXX is a port #
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| 20:25 | I found out that has something to do with a perl script that controls the client
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| 20:25 | (or something like that)
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| 20:25 | <sbalneav> Please paste your lts.conf file to the pastebot.
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| 20:25 | <dem> plus they have a decently working solution for that in the form of nx/freenx
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| 20:25 | <sbalneav> !pastebot
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| 20:25 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 20:26 | <ltsppbot> "dorphalsig" pasted "No sound on X" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/62
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| 20:29 | <sbalneav> esd looks ok.
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| 20:31 | <MrChicken> I once did a change on etc/xdm/xsessions to include a call to a script (sugested on a mailing list), but when it didnt work I deleted the entry, but from then on I have the strange message about not beeing able to connect
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| 20:31 | <jammcq> it's prolly something in /etc/profile.d/ltsp-sound.sh
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| 20:32 | <MrChicken> should I paste it?
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| 20:32 | <jammcq> to the pastebot, sure
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| 20:37 | <ltsppbot> "dorphalsig" pasted "No sound on X (/etc/profile.d/ltsp-sound.sh)" (100 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/63
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| 20:37 | <jammcq> oh god, that's old
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| 20:37 | nah, maybe it's not that old
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| 20:38 | <MrChicken> I think I blew it
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| 20:39 | cuz I installed ltsp-sound for ltsp 4.1
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| 20:39 | couldnt find it for 4.2
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| 20:39 | <jammcq> I don't think sound changed between 4.1 and 4.2
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| 20:39 | 4.2 was the "wonderful local device" release
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| 20:41 | <MrChicken> so...
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| 20:41 | any ideas?
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| 20:41 | <jammcq> in an xterm, type this: dnsdomainname
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| 20:43 | <MrChicken> hrmmm
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| 20:43 | give me a second... I have to download Xwin32 to connect to X :P
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| 20:43 | <jammcq> no
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| 20:43 | if you aren't on the thin client now, there's no point in proceeding
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| 20:44 | <MrChicken> I have a vmware on linux... so its just a matter of logging in via Xwin and starting vmware to be on a thin client =)
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| 20:45 | <jammcq> ok, well figure all that out, but good luck getting sound working over that mess of stuff
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| 20:45 | <MrChicken> ah right!
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| 20:45 | <jammcq> get a real thin client, with a real sound card, and then i'll see if I can help you
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| 20:45 | <MrChicken> ok will u be here tomorrow?
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| 20:46 | <jammcq> hmm, prolly
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| 20:46 | but keep in mind, i've got my own list of things to do
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| 20:46 | <MrChicken> I always do =)
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| 20:47 | can u perhaps give me a checklist or something to check tomorrow and bug you only when I'm really stalled?
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| 20:47 | <jammcq> run through that ltsp-sound script, executing some of the commands manually
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| 20:48 | I'm not the sound guru around here tho
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| 20:52 | <MrChicken> oki
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| 20:52 | will do thnx for the tip
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| 20:52 | and i hope not to need to bother you tomorrow =)
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| 21:07 | <Metztlixictli> check my debian+ltsp4.2+xfce4
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| 21:07 | http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfce4dj1.png
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| 21:18 | <irule> Metztlixictli if I need XP I do this http://telefrancisco.iespana.es/telefrancisco/linux/capturas/xp-qemu.jpg and my WM is enlightenmentm which always kiks xp and mac ass ;)
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| 21:20 | I actually had all mac users in my office WOWing e17's gui, not bad for a 2D wm
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| 21:23 | <Metztlixictli> irule, es espanol
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| 22:49 | <greg_g> if anyone is around, I have a question about ltsp
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| 22:50 | <bgomes> greg_g:
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| 22:50 | greg_g: what is your question?
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| 22:50 | <greg_g> well, it pertains to the difference between a thing client and a fat client
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| 22:51 | <bgomes> greg_g: w is fat client?
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| 22:51 | <greg_g> thin client doesn't do have a hard drive nor do much processing at all, just a head
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| 22:52 | fat client has a hard drive and does the majority of processing
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| 22:52 | basically, a stand alone PC
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| 22:52 | does use a ltsp server
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| 22:52 | excuse me, does not use a ltsp server
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| 22:53 | sorry, I am tired right now, my eyes are falling asleep so I miss some typos
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| 22:54 | but, basically, the way ltsp works (from my understanding) is that the thin client boots from the server and runs the kernel that communicates with the server
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| 22:54 | the server does all of the processing while the client just displays the information
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| 22:54 | <bgomes> greg_g: yes
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| 22:55 | <greg_g> well, to make things more scalable and to use the "old out dated obsolete" computers out there that have decent processors (1.0 ghz+) why not have the thing clients do more processing
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| 22:55 | <bgomes> greg_g: the processeing is center on server, and the thin client only use the devices and redirect for server
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| 22:55 | <greg_g> like, actually decoding the mp3, or rendering the webpage
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| 22:55 | <bgomes> greg_g: is more required memory
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| 22:56 | greg_g: cpu is not many required
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| 22:56 | <greg_g> yeah, but having a lab full of computers with 1ghz proc and 256 megs of ram is easy and relatively cheap now
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| 22:57 | so, have a top of the line server with a lab full of computers that could do the majority of the processing
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| 22:57 | the server takes care of file management and settings (control of environment) while the clients do some work (instead of none like how it is now)
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| 22:57 | does that make sense? or am I talking gibberish?
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| 22:59 | I am thinking of the days when I was doing work on SunSparc workstations at University
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| 22:59 | <vagrantc> yeah- i've done some work with that on ltsp5 ... much easier to implement.
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| 23:00 | <greg_g> the machine I logged in on physically does the processing I want done (running the programs) while the big server in the basement takes care of file management and keeping my settings so I can log into any computer and have the same environment (my personal environment)
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| 23:00 | <vagrantc> well ... more, i've done some work with "run all applications locally" which keeps the server requirements minimal.
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| 23:00 | <greg_g> yeah, but the client computer still has no hard drive correct?
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| 23:00 | <vagrantc> other people have also done ltsp+openmosix, where each terminal is a node in a cluster
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| 23:01 | <greg_g> I am unfamiliar
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> greg_g: no hard drive, or merely hard drive for swap
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| 23:01 | <greg_g> yeah
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> so, yes, people do it all the time.
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| 23:02 | though LTSP is more of a thin-client system.
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| 23:02 | <greg_g> gotcha
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| 23:02 | <vagrantc> but you can use LTSP to do that without too much trouble.
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| 23:02 | <greg_g> I wasn't sure if LTSP was configurable for what openmosix does
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| 23:03 | (I have not used openmosix)
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| 23:03 | <vagrantc> well, openmosix requires a lot of tweaking- that's sometime entirely different
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| 23:03 | but just running all your applications locally, that's fairly straightforward ... hardest part is network authentication
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| 23:04 | <greg_g> what do you mean?
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| 23:05 | <vagrantc> instead of logging into a server and using a servers CPU and RAM, you just run all the applications locally
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| 23:06 | isn't that what you were talking about?
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| 23:06 | <greg_g> yes, exactly, but what do you mean that the hardest part is network authentication?
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| 23:07 | <vagrantc> well, the hardest part is network authentication, everything else is pretty trivially easy.
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| 23:08 | <greg_g> having not set up a LTSP implementation, can you tell me what exactly is hard about the authentication?
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| 23:11 | <vagrantc> i've never set it up, so i can't really speak to how hard it is.
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| 23:11 | it's hard enough that i can't figure it out in 15 minutes.
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| 23:11 | <greg_g> ahh, I see
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| 23:11 | <vagrantc> if you're familiar with network authentication, it's probably pretty easy.
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| 23:12 | it's not really any different from any other sort of network authentication environment
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| 23:12 | <greg_g> yeah
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> are you asking as someone who's familiar with network authentication?
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| 23:15 | <greg_g> well, not really, I have rudimentary network design knowledge but I am unsure what you mean by authentication
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| 23:15 | unless you mean having the computers being seen by the server and vice versa
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| 23:16 | DHCP and what not, I understand/have a overview knowledge
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| 23:17 | <vagrantc> no, i mean something like using ldap to verify user/password combinations
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| 23:17 | so that you can centralize the login information in a reasonably secure manner
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| 23:18 | <greg_g> no
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| 23:18 | I am unfamiliar with that
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| 23:21 | <vagrantc> the simplest setup for that sort of thing is just anonymous autologins.
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| 23:21 | then you can ditch network auth
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| 23:21 | little web kiosks and such
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| 23:22 | <greg_g> well, I was hoping for a solution where there are users and user define environments which follow them where ever they log in
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| 23:23 | every user having a different user interface theme/desktop and selection of applications
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| 23:25 | <vagrantc> yes, you'll want network authentication for that
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| 23:25 | <greg_g> like an NIS server?
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc> like an NIS server, sure. though i hear that particular technology is way out of fashion.
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| 23:27 | <greg_g> ahh, I remember that being used a while ago, is LDAP the replacement?
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| 23:30 | <vagrantc> LDAPs what i hear people rave and complain about the most. there's also some SQL database auth methods out there, too.
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| 23:31 | i can never wrap my head around LDAP
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| 23:33 | <greg_g> gotcha
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| 23:36 | <greg_g> vagrant> do you know if there is a "out of the box" distro for something like what we were talking about
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| 23:36 | like Edubuntu or similar projects but where the client does more
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| 23:38 | <vagrantc> i know debian-edu has some scripts that make it pretty easy to set up, if not out of the box
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| 23:38 | and i know ubuntu plans on integrating that sort of thing someday
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| 23:39 | <greg_g> good deal
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| 23:52 | <MetztliXictli> hi vagrantc
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