IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 August 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:22 | <Be-Love> Question - Just upgraded from Hardy to Lucid and am getting the tftp T01 'File not found' error on client boot.
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| 01:23 | I edited /etc/default/tftpd-hpa to change the TFTP_DIRECTORY to /var/lib/tftpboot and added --secure to TFTP_OPTIONS. I restarted the tftpd-hpa service. What am I missing?
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| 01:24 | <Be-Love> and is there any way to increase the level of tftpd-hpa logging?
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| 01:30 | <Be-Love> Ah. Rebuilding the image sorted things out. Great!
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| 11:07 | <markit> hi ppl :) hi alkisg, still on holiday? until when?
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> Hi markit, I have leave of absense for phd, until the next september (not this one)
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| 11:08 | No real holidays though, too much work. How are you?
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| 11:08 | <markit> alkisg: I'm fine, on holiday at home to try to finish elementary school ltsp server
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| 11:09 | I'm documenting and preparing ruby scripts for basic setups and students account creation... it slows down a lot the preparation
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| 11:09 | also because I'm comparing with what I did and documented for 10.04 kubuntu (now I'm using 11.04)
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| 11:10 | <markit> and having 3 points where things are documented and referenced is a nightmare, I must find some better solution
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| 11:10 | (one has been create a "generic basic setup" script where you specify the kind of school and then installs the related programs)
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| 11:10 | I do hope that italc will work, otherwise I'm in a real mess
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| 11:11 | I've seen 2.0 has been announced, but I've not found any kubuntu 11.04 package so far
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> It's final? Not beta still?
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| 11:11 | <markit> and I will have to fight with teacher's ignorance about computers too
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| 11:11 | alkisg: on the site there is no reference, but in ML or other places is "final", AFAIU
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| 11:12 | http://italc.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=italc/italc;a=shortlog;h=refs/tags/v2.0.0
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| 11:12 | http://italc.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=italc/italc;a=commit;h=d160d147165271516589c304cb1b8f5e48f8527d
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> Cool, I hope it doesn't crash all of the time now
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| 11:13 | Does the developer still care about linux compatibility? Or he's only testing on windows now?
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| 11:14 | <markit> alkisg: thanks for scaring me so much
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| 11:14 | ;P
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| 11:14 | btw, why did you not decided to simply fork the project and create a GNU-ony one?
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> Haha that wasn't my intention, I just hated trying to get it to work for a few months, and trying to fix bugs etc, and finally having to create my own...
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| 11:15 | Fork italc? What for? I don't like its possibilities
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| 11:15 | *features
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| 11:15 | <markit> alkisg: as far as I remember, your one is italc + class management, but I just need the "screen sharing/monitoring" stuff
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| 11:16 | but I need a reliable one (and with italian UI, lol)
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| 11:16 | there is nothing worse than a crash on the teacher's console
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| 11:16 | and at elementary schools the screen share/monitor is a paramount feature
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| 11:17 | wondering why my experience was that italc crashed a lot (I dropped it) while talking with someone else involved in schools seems that it works fine
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> (moment, phone...)
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| 11:17 | <markit> sure, NP :)
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| 11:18 | * markit wonders if is Tobias Doerffel that is calling alkisg for some suggestions | |
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> markit: my "screen sharing/monitoring" part is less than 500 lines, and it has twice the features and speed of italc
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> That's why I didn't want to fork the italc code
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> italc in some labs works fine, while in some others it crashes every few minutes, and in some others every few seconds
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| 11:29 | I hope the new 2.0 version runs fine in most labs, that will make a lot of people happy
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| 11:30 | Another reason I didn't fork italc was that i wanted to be able to run it on 64 mb clients
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| 11:30 | Now my client needs < 1 MB RAM
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| 11:50 | <markit> alkisg: ehm, < 1MB? my alarm clock has as much ram, lol
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| 11:51 | alkisg: is easy to isolate/drop those 500 lines and make what I need work, while waiting your phd to finish and your project to get the attention it deserver?
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| 11:51 | s/is/it is
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> markit: if you know your way around python, gtk, twisted (networking library), and shell, sure
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| 12:05 | But we'll be separating the classroom management part from the server administration part anyway, into 2 programs
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| 12:15 | <markit> I know, but if italc fails I'm in a tremendous hurry
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| 12:16 | all the migration will be considered a failure
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| 12:16 | I would love you will do the split, sure I will not be able to do as good as you.
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| 12:17 | (and that I will be able to do in some way is all to be proved)
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> The split isn't really necessary for you to use sch-scripts, you can just hide the menus you don't want the teachers to have
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| 12:18 | But anyway, if italc fails, you can use netsupport or something, some of the commercial apps have linux versions
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| 12:18 | <markit> I don't want any proprietary software, is the key point of the migration
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> Sure. But if you *have* to?
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| 12:18 | Then you'll consider it a failure and get back to using *only* preprietary software?
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| 12:19 | That doesn't make sense... :)
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| 12:19 | <markit> I know, but I've forced to forget a lot of proprietary software because user's are lazy, only "you can't do" works with them
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| 12:19 | and makes them use their brain and adopt different solutions
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| 12:20 | and in any case I would have to pay with my money
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| 12:20 | because the budget has already been defined
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| 12:20 | and I would prefer give them to you than to a proprietary sw
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> Another approach if italc crashes would be to pay his developers to fix it
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| 12:20 | <markit> alkisg: I've had the feeling that he does not care much about input from userbase
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| 12:21 | but I would prefer to try this road, sure
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> I got the feeling he cares about money though :)
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| 12:21 | <markit> lol :)
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> He only continued to work on italc once he got funding from some german company, afaik
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| 12:22 | That's a good thing, I don't blame him for that
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| 12:22 | <markit> well, in any case is a shame if he does not receives some founding... foss at school is so important, and his is a key component
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| 12:22 | alkisg: may I talk with you in private?
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 12:31 | <Hyperbyte> ...
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| 12:31 | I don't think I wanna know.
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| 12:31 | <alkisg> Hehe, school talk, not related to you enterprise guys :P
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| 12:46 | <Hyperbyte> Hahah
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| 13:03 | <andygraybeal> morning guys :)
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| 13:04 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Andy!
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| 13:05 | <andygraybeal> hi Hyperbyte :)
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| 13:10 | what are you up to today Hyperbyte?
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| 13:33 | <Hyperbyte> Preparing and voicetracking my Top 30 radioshow currently, tonight I need to fix some problems at work...
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| 13:40 | You? :)
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| 13:55 | <andygraybeal> Hyperbyte, i have a print spooler that keeps erroring out and needs to be reset... i'm trying to find a way to do it automatically.
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| 14:09 | <Hyperbyte> That doesn't sound like fun. :P
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| 14:12 | Not for a saturday at least.
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| 14:14 | <andygraybeal> yea, it's no fun - it's MS Windows and the log file doesn't appear until after you manually 'dump' the log from the spooler applicatikon.. it's rediculous
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| 14:16 | the error it spits out is a visual basic errror.. permission denied.. microsoft websites recommend i use 'filemon' to find the problem - but i don't know how to make the error happen.. and runing filemon indefinetly to find an error is a bad idea.
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| 14:17 | <Hyperbyte> :(
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| 14:17 | <andygraybeal> it's frustrating
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| 14:18 | it's a proprietary app.. no documentation and no support
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| 14:18 | i want to strangle myself
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| 14:36 | <Hyperbyte> That doesn't sound like a good plan for a saturday either.
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| 15:01 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 15:02 | i guess i'm being dramatic.. i've been trying to convince the guys at floreantpos or openbravo to modify their systems to work for our restaurant; so far no go.. i'll keep buggin them
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| 15:03 | openbravopos has a fork named openpos now.. i haven't tried that; i've heard it is stil buggy.
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| 15:03 | most pos solutions are for retail and not restaurant; it's a whole different ballgame
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| 15:03 | i'd love to get the erp and pos in one
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| 15:09 | cause really using an open source system is the only way to really 'fix' my problems i'm having.
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> Haha tomatousb router firmware can run nbd, nfs, tftp... a router could make a fine fat client server with this!
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| 19:20 | <andygraybeal> i run tomato on my linksys wap here at work for our patrons
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