IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 23 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 11:07 | <ws101> hi, I have some news about "cdrom mounted twice" problem...
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| 11:07 | I try using on my debian server a client environment created on ubuntu feisty
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| 11:07 | the cdrom wasn't mounted twice so i think it isn't a debian's gnome-vfs problem
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| 11:07 | the solution may be in the changes made on ubuntu's ltspfs package: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ltspfs/ltspfs_0.4.3-0ubuntu6.diff.gz
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| 11:07 | <what do you think about?
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| 11:07 | <vagrantc> i can't fathom what would be different that would cause that ...
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| 11:08 | ws101: so, you're using the same server environment, debian.... the LTSP chroot is ubuntu feisty ?
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| 11:09 | <ws101> yes
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| 11:10 | <vagrantc> ws101: what are the versions of ltspfs and ltsp-server on your server ?
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| 11:11 | <ws101> ltspfs 0.4.3+debian3
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| 11:11 | and
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| 11:12 | ltspfsd 0.4.3+debian3
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> you have ltspfsd installed on your server ?
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| 11:13 | ws101: this is on a debian lenny system ?
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| 11:14 | <ws101> answer are not in the correct order :)
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| 11:14 | yes, debian lenny
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| 11:14 | but also on debian etch was the same
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> but an ubuntu chroot doesn't create duplicate icons ?
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| 11:15 | <ws101> no
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> ws101: please add this information to the bug report ...
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| 11:16 | <ws101> ok
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> sure got me confused ... what could cause that?!
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| 11:19 | <masus> hi , is it possible to use squid and ltsp togehter.
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| 11:21 | <vagrantc> masus: absolutely.
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| 11:21 | masus: there is nothing special you would have to do to use squid with LTSP
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| 11:23 | <masus> but , normally the clients get there own ip , but with ltsp they have only the ip from the server
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 11:25 | you want authenticated squid stuff ... yeah ...
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| 11:26 | i haven't ever messed with that ..
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| 11:27 | <masus> for example the client with the ip 10.0.0.4 can go thrue internet and 10.0.0.5 can not
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| 11:27 | but after i get connected via ltsp i can't do this :S
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> well, obviously you can't control it using ip addresses.
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| 11:28 | <masus> do u know how to ?
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> i don't know how, but you can do some sort of authentication with squid on a per-user basis.
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| 11:28 | <masus> hmmm ok i'll try
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| 11:29 | thanks, and one question more, i do not have a lts.conf
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| 11:29 | where to paste the example one
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| 11:29 | <masus> "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc or /etc"
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> masus: what do you need to change?
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| 11:29 | <masus> screen resolution
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| 11:29 | for one client
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| 11:30 | <vagrantc> [Default]
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| 11:30 | X_MODE_0=1024x768
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| 11:30 | masus: just create one in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 11:30 | <masus> ok :) thanks
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> you need the [default] line ... and then another line for your specific machine ... i recommend using mac address.
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| 11:31 | <masus> yes i have see
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| 13:26 | <ws101> news about debian bug #432669
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| 13:26 | i have that problem only if i disable floppy from bios
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| 13:28 | enabling it the problem 432669
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| 13:28 | enabling it the problem disappears, sorry
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc_> ws101: did you say anything after "news about debian bug #432669" ?
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| 13:33 | ah, ok ...
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| 13:34 | so, the problem does exist. enabling the floppy works abound the problem, because adding floppy support creates /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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| 13:35 | i think cdpinger should create the fstab if one isn't there, myself.
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| 13:35 | <otavio> vagrantc_: yes, I got it but hadn't processed it yet
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| 13:35 | vagrantc_: doing it in few minutes
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc_> otavio: ok. thanks :)
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| 13:36 | otavio: just wanted to make sure it wasn't mail troubles.
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| 13:36 | <otavio> vagrantc_: np
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| 13:36 | vagrantc_: i'm processing my backlog from irc and before start doing other things I'll upload it
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc_> otavio: nice :)
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc_> seeing all these huge theme related files makes me want to split ldm into a separate source package, and create an arch: all ldm-themes package
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| 13:38 | <otavio> vagrantc_: please do!
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc_> otavio: i meet much resistance from the ubuntu crowd.
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| 13:39 | <otavio> vagrantc_: why?
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| 13:39 | vagrantc_: well, that's why they're called derivative ;-)
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc_> otavio: beats me. :)
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| 13:39 | <otavio> vagrantc_: let's they derivate from it and merge the package back :P
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc_> probably just wanting to avoid making it over-complicated
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| 13:40 | otavio: well, it's sort of more like debian is the derivative with LTSP stuff ..
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| 13:40 | <otavio> vagrantc_: personally I think that ldm deserves its own source
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc_> i agree.
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| 13:40 | <otavio> vagrantc_: doesn't make sense it to be part of ltsp every upload
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc_> otavio: exactly.
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| 13:41 | <otavio> vagrantc_: let's try to talk to ogra
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| 13:41 | vagrantc_: I guess we can convince him
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| 13:42 | <vagrantc_> most of the themes at the moment are all the various ubuntu derivatives ... xubuntu (ironically) being the biggest.
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| 13:43 | <otavio> vagrantc_: and are they being included on Debian uploads too?
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc_> otavio: in the source, yes. i dropped them from the package.
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| 13:43 | <otavio> vagrantc_: to say the truth, I think those themes ought to have they own source package
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc_> otavio: i also agree with that.
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| 13:43 | <otavio> vagrantc_: they're not LTSP part
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| 13:43 | vagrantc_: but ubuntu part
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc_> otavio: yeah, and we need a generic LTSP theme ...
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| 13:44 | <otavio> vagrantc_: how is going the "centralization" of source on ltsp br branch?
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| 13:45 | jammcq: how is the status of above ^^
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc_> otavio: you mean a distro-independent source tree? little to no work on that has been done.
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| 13:46 | <otavio> vagrantc_: of course
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| 13:46 | vagrantc_: we do need to have a central place to look for features and fixes
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| 13:46 | vagrantc_: and this shouldn't to be ubuntu bzr branch
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| 13:46 | <vagrantc_> otavio: i've talked to sbalneav a bit about it ...
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| 13:47 | <otavio> vagrantc_: also to make easier to other vendors to work on that
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| 13:47 | vagrantc_: and I'm sure that Ubuntu and Debian should do workarounds for bugs from time to time and those shouldn't be included on official tree
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc_> otavio: i've been pushing to at least produce tarballs, so other distros can provide patches against something...
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| 13:48 | <otavio> vagrantc_: yes. But we'd need to have a source-tree for it
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| 13:48 | vagrantc_: without Debian/Ubuntu debian/ dirs
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| 13:49 | vagrantc_: and beig the "official" tree
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc_> otavio: sure...
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| 13:49 | otavio: you'll find no disagreement from me :)
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| 13:50 | <otavio> vagrantc_: this is important also to get more eyes on the changes. If sbalneav and jammcq need to include the fixes on the tree they can, and will, spot out our trivial mistakes
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| 13:51 | vagrantc_: currently is basically you and ogra checking the changes but both are biased from a vendor POV
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc_> otavio: agreed.
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| 13:54 | <otavio> vagrantc_: and maybe get rid of bzr and move to git? (i don't believe it'll happen)
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| 13:54 | vagrantc_: heeh, jokking
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| 14:08 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 14:09 | <jammcq> otavio: I suspect more will be happening soon in the distro-independent ltsp sources.
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| 14:10 | we're seeing lots of activity from Novell lately
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| 14:10 | and ubuntu is reducing its active involvement in ltsp development, which means more of the development will move back into upstream ltsp
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| 14:11 | <otavio> jammcq: sorry but I believe it ought happen as soon as possible
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| 14:11 | <jammcq> sure, it should.... but that takes time. something I don't have right now
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| 14:11 | and scotty will probably do much of that work, but he's been swamped too
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| 14:11 | <otavio> jammcq: it's difficult for vendors to support something that is controlled by one specific vendor
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| 14:11 | <jammcq> hey, no argument here
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| 14:11 | <otavio> jammcq: can't I or vagrant help?
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| 14:12 | <jammcq> if you figure out how to put more hours in the day, this can get done sooner
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| 14:12 | sure
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| 14:12 | let's get scotty in here sometime soon, and we can discuss the path to moving forward with that
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| 14:12 | <otavio> jammcq: right
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| 14:12 | vagrantc_: good for you?
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| 14:13 | jammcq: it would be nice to get you and sbalneav checking changes before it gets merged on upstream tree
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| 14:13 | jammcq: this would avoid a lot of trivial mistakes
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| 14:13 | <jammcq> I'll be with some Fedora guys next weekend. I'll be pushing them for more involvement too. the only way that will work is to have a distro-independent repository
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| 14:13 | otavio: I agree
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| 14:14 | <otavio> jammcq: and could even allow us to get some kind of automated testing later
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| 14:17 | <cyberorg> jammcq, hio, it is just two people working on suse implementation :(
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| 14:18 | <jammcq> cyberorg: yes, but i'm very encouraged by your achievments so far
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| 14:18 | <cyberorg> if you know something else about novell involvement, please share :)
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| 14:18 | <jammcq> cyberorg: only that I keep getting announcements about kiwi-ltsp
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| 14:18 | I think from you, eh?
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| 14:18 | <cyberorg> yeah :) one more : http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/
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| 14:19 | * vagrantc_ is itchin to get kiwi-ltsp stuff integrated into the existing codebase | |
| 14:20 | <jammcq> cyberorg: very nice
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| 14:20 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, i created a project on launchpad, and put up my svn tree for import there
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| 14:20 | i would really like one of you devs to give it a try so you know how tacky the implementation is ;)
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| 14:23 | <otavio> cyberorg: why, use bzr in this case
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| 14:23 | cyberorg: is easier to merge for you and for everyone else to check it
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| 14:24 | <cyberorg> otavio, i don't, it is on svn, https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/trunk/
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| 14:25 | otavio, you mean why not use bzr?
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| 14:29 | <otavio> cyberorg: use bzr.
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc_> otavio: i think kiwi-ltsp stuff replaces the role of debootstrap and a bunch of other stuff.
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| 14:30 | <otavio> cyberorg: otherwise you'll have much more hassle to update it when your changes are done
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc_> otavio: so it's more integrating that into the plugin system
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| 14:30 | <cyberorg> otavio, https://launchpad.net/kiwi-ltsp/trunk i guess they will create bzr out of svn
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| 14:31 | <jammcq> laprag: hey
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| 14:31 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, i would need help reorganizing stuff so it can go in plugin system
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| 14:31 | <laprag> hey
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| 14:33 | <otavio> cyberorg: but it won't work since it won't have same bzr branch as original tree
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| 14:33 | cyberorg: merge will fail, probably
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| 14:34 | * vagrantc_ doesn't think it's appropriate to merge | |
| 14:34 | <vagrantc_> it's a different codebase entirely.
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| 14:34 | we just need to merge support for it.
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| 14:35 | :q
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| 14:36 | <cyberorg> we can always sort out how it will be handled once we get 'proper' work done, right now it is not in a good shape
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| 14:37 | "it works!" that is all
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| 14:39 | <cyberorg> got to go, ciao folks
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc_> ogra: any reason why configure-x.sh is called from ltsp-client-core instead of ltsp-client-setup ?
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| 15:26 | * vagrantc_ would think it belongs in ltsp-client-setup | |
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc_> can ubuntu's Xorg vesa driver handle more than 1024x768 ?
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| 15:36 | debian's seems to try, and fail.
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| 15:37 | well, not fail ... seems like everything's fine, except there's no output on the screen
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> otavio: how close are you to an upload ?
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| 18:16 | otavio: i've got a few more patches almost ready
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| 18:35 | <luisgrin> hi,
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| 18:36 | <cliebow> x
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| 18:37 | <luisgrin> im llokin for the develop of of net using pII 400 with 128 mb against some server
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| 18:37 | but... the termianal need to run a browser
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| 18:37 | and kind of billing aplication
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| 18:37 | some more sophisticated ... not so much
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| 18:37 | maybe up to 100 terminals
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| 18:38 | server maybe 2gb 160 gb sata. etc...
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| 18:38 | <cliebow> we used to figure 256 meg of server ram for server and oh say 100 meg per terminal of server ram
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| 18:38 | depending on usage
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| 18:39 | <otavio> vagrantc: send them to me
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| 18:39 | <luisgrin> you mean 256 meg por terminal?
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| 18:39 | <otavio> vagrantc: I've forgot to upload it
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| 18:39 | <cliebow> no
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| 18:39 | <luisgrin> in the server
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| 18:39 | <otavio> vagrantc: :P
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> otavio: heh :P
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| 18:39 | <cliebow> 256 ram for the server itself to run
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| 18:39 | <luisgrin> a ok
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| 18:39 | i see
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| 18:39 | and then how much for terminal?
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| 18:40 | <vagrantc> otavio: send you the whole tarball over again, or just the patches ?
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| 18:40 | <cliebow> so 2 gig would run perhaps 20 terminals..a lot depends on use
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| 18:40 | <luisgrin> very little ...
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| 18:40 | <cliebow> a browser can use a lot..
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| 18:40 | <luisgrin> but i think memory is not the probelm bcoz id reaaly cheap
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| 18:41 | is really cheap i mean
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| 18:42 | i dont know what is the limit for the duo 6600
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| 18:42 | but i think it must be a lot
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| 18:42 | <cliebow> not sure....best to catch ogra tomorrow..or sbalneav..
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| 18:42 | <luisgrin> oka
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| 18:42 | i c ...
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| 18:43 | <cliebow> or vagrantc...
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| 18:43 | <otavio> vagrantc: tarball
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| 18:43 | <cliebow> or vagrantc...
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| 18:43 | <luisgrin> some boy talk me he was runnig lts with a lot of terminals but he didnot say anything about so huge amount of memory
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| 18:43 | <cliebow> or anyone that will speak back far as that is concerned 8~)
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| 19:04 | <vagrantc> otavio: sent
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| 20:10 | <ari_stress> morning
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| 22:57 | <gizmo21187> hello
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| 22:57 | any one alive
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| 23:30 | <str4nd> no :)
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| 23:57 | <gizmo21187> nice
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| 23:58 | any one use isp config
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