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Channel log from 14 October 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:26 | <Mava> öööer.. what =D
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| 06:26 | we are used to call our english lecturer steve the pirates. nice to meet you mr. steve
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| 13:29 | <fgth> Hi all. I find an interesting doc here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT, but :
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| 13:30 | I don't understand how THIN clients (they talk about thin clients, yes ??) can necessitate NAT...
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| 13:32 | What I undestand yesterday after a lot of explanations from alkisg (;-)) is that the thin clients work ON the server, in memory, disk, and with all resources like network interfaces
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| 13:32 | So if a server has 2 NIC, the thin clients see 2 NIC. Right or not ?
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> Right, and it doesn't need nat
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| 13:33 | <fgth> If so, how can they need NAT ?......
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> That's only used for localapps or fat clients
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| 13:34 | <fgth> Hi alkisg. Yes I say that to me at beginning... But the page is called "UbuntuLTSPThinClientHowtoNAT", with "Thin" in it...
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> Localapps is a concept used in thin clients
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| 13:35 | It's a method to make only some applications run locally in the clients
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| 13:36 | <Hyperbyte> fgth, thin clients run all their software on the server by default. So for the software to have internet access, the server needs internet access. You can use localapps, to run programs on the thin client itself (to save memory on the server, for example). For those programs, the thin client also needs internet access, thus you require NAT.
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| 13:37 | (I thought I'd save alkisg the hassle of typing that, since we've recently determined I type about 30 words per minute faster than him)
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| 13:37 | Har har har. :>
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| 13:37 | * Hyperbyte pokes alkisg | |
| 13:37 | <fgth> :)
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| 13:38 | I've really a problem with that, sorry if I'm *fat* me too..... What I don't understand :
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| 13:40 | <fgth> I start my thin client. It lauch Gnome (it's an Ubuntu LTSP server), I'm in the GUI. Here I lauch a terminal. I see 2 things :
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| 13:40 | the hostname is the server name...
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| 13:40 | an ifconfig see the 2 NIC of the server, with its IPs...
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| 13:41 | not the thin client name and the specific (dhcp) IP displayed on the login screen
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| 13:42 | So at this point I undestand that I'm TOTALLY on the server, just an X session transfered to the thin client screen
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: yet the oracle knows what you'll type before you even think it, so he has a headstart :P
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| 13:47 | <fgth> OK, I see. In this configuration, all the apps are launched like on the server : in its memory. But some apps can be explicitely launched in the thin client memory, so they are like the text console tty1, where I see the thin client name and only its IP. Here the apps need NAT.
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| 13:49 | <Hyperbyte> !alkisg
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| 13:49 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail.
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| 13:49 | <Hyperbyte> All hail the great oracle!
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> So, epoptes, our computer lab administration + monitoring tool (like italc) has just been published, brave ones can install it from https://launchpad.net/~epoptes/+archive/ppa/+packages
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| 13:51 | * alkisg gets up a web page with instructions... | |
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> Basic instructions set up at http://www.epoptes.org
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| 14:30 | <ogra_> do they have to learn greek before ?
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| 14:30 | :)
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> Nope, not anymore :D
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| 14:32 | Main program is in english, translations are managed in launchpad
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| 14:32 | <ogra_> cool
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| 14:32 | you should get it into ubuntu or debian then
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| 14:33 | sounds like a good BTS task :)
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> We'll try - and thankfully highvoltage and vagrantc showed interested in sponshoring the package :)
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| 14:33 | <ogra_> ah, cool
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| 14:33 | yeah, vagrant is surely the best choice
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| 14:34 | <highvoltage> surely.
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> I think getting it first to debian and then to ubuntu will make us lose the Precise importfreeze, so maybe it's better to do both of them
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| 14:35 | <ogra_> highvoltage, are you DD nowadays ?
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| 14:35 | <highvoltage> ogra_: nope, not yet. maybe in a year from now :)
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| 14:35 | <ogra_> heh, k
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| 14:35 | * ogra_ say the same every year since 7 years now :) | |
| 14:35 | <ogra_> *says
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 14:36 | <highvoltage> ogra_: ah, I'm still on my 2nd year of that, so it will take me a while to catch up with you :)
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| 14:36 | <ogra_> lol
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| 14:36 | yeaah, will be hard to surpass me
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| 14:37 | <Ghidorah> Alkisg: is Epoptes the much awaited iTalc alternative?
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> Ghidorah: yes, it's time for people interested in it to start trying it out :)
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| 14:39 | The web page now is very minimal, but the instructions there should be sufficient for ubuntu users, ltsp or not
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| 14:40 | <Ghidorah> Excellent!
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| 15:12 | <matrix3000> anyone using ltsp on a cloud?
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| 15:12 | like ltsp on an ubuntu cloud instance
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| 15:19 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone know how to prevent whatever maybe causing this to appear in syslog "pulseaudio[11543]: pid.c: Daemon already running." on the LTSP application server
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| 15:43 | <fellowEnt> hi, is anyone available to help w/ ltsp on ubuntu server 11.04?
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| 15:44 | <Ghidorah> fellowEnt: What is up
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| 15:44 | <fellowEnt> I can't seem to get LDM_AUTOLOGIN to work
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| 15:45 | <Ghidorah> Ok. What is in your LTS.conf?
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| 15:46 | <fellowEnt> I've tried [Default]
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| 15:46 | LDM_AUTOLOGIN = True
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| 15:46 | and of course the LDM_USERNAME / PASS
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| 15:46 | the client still boots to a logon screen
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 15:46 | <ltsp> alkisg: localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 15:46 | <fellowEnt> at the bottom right, it shows a hostname of "ltsp100"
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> fellowEnt: login, open a localxterm, and run: getltscfg -a
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| 15:47 | This will check if your client actually reads lts.conf
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| 15:48 | <fellowEnt> getting a syntax error lts.conf line 20
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> Put your whole lts.conf to pastebin, change the pass to XXX if you want
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| 15:50 | !pastebin
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| 15:50 | <ltsp> alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> Btw, distro, version, and where is your lts.conf located?
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| 15:51 | <fellowEnt> Ubuntu 11.04 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> OK, put your lts.conf to pastebin
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| 15:54 | <fellowEnt> http://pastebin.com/XPsMbPzX
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| 15:58 | I don't think it's reading from the lts.conf mentioned above as I've made changes and it still reports the error on line 20
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| 15:59 | <ogra_> is line 1 an empty line ?
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| 15:59 | <matrix3000> it should be otherwise you have a dns issue
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| 15:59 | and line one shouldn't be empty
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| 16:00 | it should have the [Default]
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| 16:00 | <ogra_> [default] needs to be on the very first line
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| 16:00 | <fellowEnt> ok, just moved the text and now it shows line 31
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| 16:00 | ok, will try
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> fellowEnt: you need to reboot the client to make it re-read your lts.conf changes
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| 16:01 | <fellowEnt> rebooting
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| 16:03 | <fellowEnt> hmm now it's just black / flashing init: plymouth main process (216) killed by ABRT signal
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| 16:04 | sorry, had the password wrong; corrected and rebooting
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| 16:05 | ok, it looks like it worked! :) now I just need it to run rdesktop
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| 16:06 | <matrix3000> :)
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> fellowEnt: if you *only* want rdesktop, there's no need to have a gnome session at all, just use SCREEN_07=rdesktop
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| 16:15 | <fellowEnt> trying with only SCREEN_07=rdesktop -f 192.x.x.x in lts.conf
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| 16:22 | I'm just getting a black screen with a mouse pointer
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| 16:23 | <fellowEnt> this is a test env so I'm not sure it's reaching the term server
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| 16:34 | any idea where "ltsp100" is coming from?
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> it's the last byte of your client ip
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| 16:36 | ltsp+ip last byte
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| 16:46 | <fellowEnt> I'm just getting a black screen with mouse cursor
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| 16:48 | my current lts.conf http://pastebin.com/0erTKbaS
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> fellowEnt: in this case rdesktop runs locally so you need NAT if you have a 2 nic server
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| 16:49 | One good way to troubleshoot it is:
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| 16:49 | 1) put your old lts.conf back
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| 16:49 | 2) get a localxterm
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| 16:49 | (i.e. login and run ltsp-localapps)
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| 16:49 | 3) get rdesktop working from that localxterm
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| 16:50 | 4) then move on with your new lts.conf
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| 16:50 | <fellowEnt> while I do have 2 nics, the term server is on the same subnet, I'll try the localxterm tho
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| 16:52 | when I go through localxterm, it works
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| 16:52 | <Ghidorah> anyone know of any good ways to track down errors like polkit-gnome-au[8061]: segfault at 28 ip 00007ff83c7d59d8?
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| 16:58 | <fellowEnt> Ok, now using "Multiple Line" in lts.conf worked :)
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| 17:38 | <matrix3000> 11.10 :(
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| 17:38 | now its 2d by default if you cant use 3d
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| 17:38 | this sucks
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| 17:41 | <jason_> hello!
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| 17:45 | <Ghidorah> matrix3000: Does this link provide any help? http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/08/return-to-ubuntu-classic-desktop-in-ubuntu-11-10/
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| 18:04 | <matrix3000> yes thank you
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| 19:05 | <fellowEnt> alkisg and matrix3000, thank you both VERY much for your help!
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| 19:05 | Where can I donte to your beer fund?
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| 19:05 | *donate
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> :) you're welcome
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| 19:09 | <fellowEnt> Do you take donations?
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| 19:31 | <Hyperbyte> fellowEnt, alkisg is trying to earn his Ph.D, but he's spending way too much time online helping people here. ;-)
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| 19:32 | If you wanna be alkisg of service, best you can do is stick around here and share your LTSP / Linux knowledge with others. ;-)
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| 19:33 | This'll save alkis lots of time. ;-)
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| 19:36 | <knipwim> fellowEnt: I think the BTS 2011 could use some donations :)
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| 19:42 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, that too!
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| 20:40 | <mgariepy_> have a nice weekend guys
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| 21:19 | <alkisg> !learn epoptes as Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu (and hopefully Debian) based LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 21:19 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 21:19 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: the site has taken form, how does it look to your experienced eye? (be gentle, I don't want to invest more than 1 afternoon it it :D)
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| 21:54 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, it stretches horizontally
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| 21:54 | This is very annoying on big screens, because lines become reeeeally long
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| 21:54 | * alkisg can't live without liquid layouts :D | |
| 21:54 | <Hyperbyte> The "about" page is about 30-40 cm wide on my screen
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| 21:55 | <alkisg> But fixed size sites don't display well on smaller screens, netbooks, mobile phones etc
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| 21:55 | <Hyperbyte> You can set a maximum size I think.
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| 21:55 | <alkisg> Hmmm I don't think google sites will allow me to specify custom css...
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| 21:55 | Don't people with 24"+ screens have big fonts? :)
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| 21:55 | <Hyperbyte> Also - the text is grey. Make it black.
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| 21:56 | This doesn't help with readability.
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| 21:56 | <alkisg> Mhm
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| 22:03 | <zamba> alkisg: hi there!
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| 22:04 | alkisg: you're the one who announced epoptes on the ltsp mailing list just now, right?
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| 22:04 | alkisg: is it kind of like italc?
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| 22:04 | only better?
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| 22:05 | it certainly looks more ubuntu-ish
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| 22:05 | which is good
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| 22:09 | <alkisg> zamba: yes, it's like italc
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| 22:10 | We made it because we weren't satisfied with italc, so he hope it's better
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| 22:10 | At the very least, more stable :)
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| 22:10 | <zamba> alkisg: aight, perfect
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| 22:10 | alkisg: i'll give it a spin then
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| 22:10 | will test it in my lab environment
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| 22:11 | <alkisg> Nice, ping for any questions or problems you see
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| 22:11 | <zamba> oh, no, nevermind, not a lab environment, a production environment :)
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| 22:11 | <alkisg> :)
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| 22:19 | <zamba> but i'm a bit uncertain about the server/client part here.. can a machine be both?
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| 22:19 | like italc
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| 22:19 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 22:20 | Will you be using it in an LTSP setup?
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| 22:29 | <zamba> a good mix
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| 22:29 | some standalone and some through ltsp
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| 22:30 | is there built-in some kind of authentication here?
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| 22:33 | <alkisg> zamba: for the gui part, there's a socket that's owned by the group "admin"
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| 22:33 | So only members of that group can launch the gui
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| 22:33 | To change the group, you modify /etc/default/epoptes
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| 22:33 | About the client <=> server connection, reverse connections are used
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| 22:34 | So there's no concept of "connecting to a client", it's the reverse, the client connects to the server
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| 22:34 | <zamba> alkisg: oh, ok
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| 22:34 | <alkisg> So the only way that I can imagine a hacker could take control of your client, would be to spoof dns or take your server's ip
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| 22:34 | <zamba> well, i'll take a look at it and give some feedback
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| 22:35 | <alkisg> And in that case, if some rogue pc on your network took your server's ip, it could do a lot more than send commands to clients :)
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| 22:35 | It could even send a custom nbd image :)
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