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Channel log from 1 April 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:32 | <muttley_> Adobe flash 10 use xvideo?
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| 06:07 | <maginot> good morning
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| 06:07 | <tryggvib> morning
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| 06:08 | <maginot> is anyone using xfs on ltsp?
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| 06:10 | <Nubae1> maginot: y do u want xfs?
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| 06:12 | <tryggvib> hmmm... my HP thin client isn't able to load ltsp via tftp, anyone care to help?
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| 06:13 | <maginot> well, better performance in overall benchmarks like file writting speed, directory tree, more disk space usage ... this kind of thing
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| 06:13 | tryggvib, what distro you are?
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| 06:13 | <tryggvib> Ubuntu
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| 06:13 | <maginot> ubuntu ... ?
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| 06:13 | <tryggvib> Hardy Heron (server edition)
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| 06:13 | <maginot> Hmm
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| 06:13 | did you tryed using desktop edition ?
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| 06:14 | <tryggvib> I wanted to reuse my server
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| 06:14 | <maginot> because if you dont you will have to install every need package, like xorg and stfuff like that
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| 06:14 | <Nubae1> tryggvib: u should be using alternate CD and press F4 when it starts up
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| 06:14 | <tryggvib> so I need a special computer to be able to run ltsp?
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| 06:14 | <Nubae1> like maginot says it will be much easier to run from a desktop version than installing everything again
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| 06:15 | <tryggvib> I have installed all the necessary packages and built the client
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| 06:15 | <Nubae1> tryggvib: u need a relatively powerful system, depending on the amount of clients running on it
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| 06:15 | ah... so what's the problem?
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| 06:16 | <tryggvib> I just want to run two thin clients HPt5125 I got cheap and add them to my home server
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| 06:17 | <Nubae1> I don't see XFS being too useful unless u have lots of multimedia files and the like
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| 06:17 | ah then any old thing should do... whats u're servers specs?
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| 06:18 | <tryggvib> the problem is they connect to the dhcp and everything looks ok, tftp starts showing progress dots and then after a while the thin client reboots into the awful Windows mobile edition that came with the thin client
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| 06:18 | <Nubae1> ah, sounds like a firewall issue
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| 06:18 | <tryggvib> firewall?
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| 06:18 | hmmm
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| 06:18 | <Nubae1> tftp not getting through
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| 06:19 | <tryggvib> oh man... that's gonna give me a headache... the thing is I don't think I'm using a firewall
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| 06:19 | <Nubae1> its a fairly common symptom... the net should have documentation about it
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| 06:19 | is the tftp server started then?
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| 06:20 | netstat -tulp
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| 06:20 | should show tftp service listening
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| 06:20 | <tryggvib> hmmm...
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| 06:21 | nothing showing up, I think you found my problem
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| 06:21 | :D
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| 06:21 | <Nubae1> sudo /etc/inid.t/tftpd-hpa restart
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| 06:21 | <tryggvib> do you know the difference between HPA tftp and tftpd?
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| 06:21 | <ogra> Nubae1, !
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| 06:22 | grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 06:22 | /etc/inid.t/tftpd-hpa restart is a no-op
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| 06:22 | <Nubae1> ah... ok
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| 06:23 | <alkisg> A nice thing, having ogra around to correct our mistakes :)
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| 06:23 | <Nubae1> right...
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| 06:23 | <tryggvib> ogra: I think you're right (never doubted you though) since restarting doesn't return anything :D
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| 06:23 | <Nubae1> :-)
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| 06:23 | <tryggvib> so should grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf return anything?
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| 06:23 | <ogra> check if its set in inetd.conf ...
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> tryggvib: try: dpkg -l tftpd-hpa
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| 06:24 | <ogra> yes, a line for the tftp server that was installed together with ltsp-server
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| 06:24 | <Nubae1> probably because he installed from server
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| 06:24 | and not from desktop or alternate
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| 06:24 | <ogra> ltsp-server depends on tftpd-hpa
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| 06:25 | <tryggvib> tftp is not in my inetd.conf
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| 06:25 | <ogra> if you install that package it should come with it ... tftpd-hpa itself carse for the entry in inetd.conf
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| 06:25 | <tryggvib> alkisg: what should I be looking for in dpkg -l?
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| 06:25 | <ogra> try whgat alkisg said
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> If it doesn't return anything, you didn't install ltsp-server correctly
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| 06:25 | <ogra> dpkg -l tftpd-hpa should return a line starting with ii
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| 06:26 | <tryggvib> it does return the ii line, but also some other lines before it
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| 06:26 | <ogra> thats fine
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| 06:26 | did you change anything related to tftp manually ?
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| 06:27 | <Nubae> ogra, does ltsp work well with itanium?
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| 06:27 | <ogra> as client ?
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| 06:27 | <tryggvib> so from what I understand, tftp is installed but not in my inetd.conf for some reason
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| 06:27 | <Nubae> server
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| 06:27 | <ogra> should ... try the ia64 edition :)
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| 06:28 | tryggvib, sudo dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa
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| 06:28 | <tryggvib> is there a wrong way of executing sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone?
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| 06:28 | <ogra> it should ask you if you want it started from inetd ... say yes :)
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| 06:28 | not really, no
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| 06:29 | <tryggvib> ran the dpkg-reconfigure, it asked me, I said yes, but it's still not showing up in my inetd.conf
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| 06:29 | <Nubae> u should have this line in there:
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| 06:29 | tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 06:29 | <ogra> dpkg -l openbsd-inetd
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| 06:30 | see if thats there
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| 06:30 | <tryggvib> I have "The OpenBSD Internet Superserver" according to the ii line :)
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| 06:30 | Nubae: should I add it manually?
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| 06:30 | <ogra> no
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| 06:31 | dpkg -l update-inetd
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| 06:31 | <tryggvib> ii update-inetd 4.27-0.6 inetd.conf updater
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| 06:31 | <ogra> intresting
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| 06:32 | sudo apt-get install --reinstall tftpd-hpa
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| 06:32 | then check if its in inetd.conf
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| 06:33 | <tryggvib> nope :S
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| 06:33 | <maginot> tryggvib, lsof| grep tftp shows anything ?
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| 06:34 | <tryggvib> nothing
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| 06:34 | <ogra> maginot, no, it cant
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| 06:34 | its started by inetd
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| 06:34 | <Nubae> well try adding the line and resart inetd
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| 06:34 | worth a try
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| 06:34 | <maginot> ogra, no problem, even with inet it show on lsof
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| 06:35 | <ogra> grep RUN_DAEMON /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 06:35 | what does that return
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| 06:35 | <tryggvib> RUN_DAEMON="no"
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| 06:36 | <ogra> hmm, then i dont get why update.-inetd doesnt add it as it should
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| 06:36 | sudo update-inetd --group BOOT --add "tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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| 06:36 | try that line, that enforces it
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| 06:38 | <tryggvib> ok, now it's in inetd.conf
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| 06:38 | do I need to restart anything?
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| 06:39 | <ogra> yes, openbsd-inetd
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| 06:39 | <tryggvib> done! so now I restart the thin client and try again :)
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| 06:40 | <tryggvib> this is a bit weird, I would like to figure out why this is happening
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| 06:40 | to help others, have you heard of this problem before?
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| 06:40 | just chit-chating while my thin client is starting up ;)
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| 06:41 | <ogra> no, but its rare anyway that people use the server edition
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| 06:41 | might be related
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| 06:41 | <tryggvib> awesome superpowers it appears it works
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| 06:41 | <alkisg> ogra, /var/lib/dpkg/info/tftpd-hpa.postinst inserts the line to inetd.conf only for "configure". Does apt-get reinstall call tftpd-hpa.postint --configure?
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| 06:41 | <ogra> its way to much work to install all the desktop stuff
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| 06:41 | alkisg, it should
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| 06:42 | alkisg, dpkg-reconfigure is --configure though
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| 06:42 | <tryggvib> except I'm not getting an Xorg server, just an ash shell on BusyBox
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| 06:42 | <ogra> did you run ltsp-build-client already ?
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| 06:42 | <tryggvib> but, at least it works, thanks guys!
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| 06:43 | yes I did
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| 06:43 | <ogra> strange
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| 06:43 | grep nbdrootd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 06:43 | <maginot> ogra, but he doesnt need to install xorg on chroot first?
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| 06:43 | <ogra> no
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| 06:43 | <tryggvib> ogra, it isn't in there :)
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| 06:43 | <ogra> he doesnt get to the chroot
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| 06:44 | tryggvib, you definately have some broken setup regarding inetd
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| 06:44 | do you have any other inetd server installed ?
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| 06:44 | <tryggvib> the only thing inetd.conf has is tcpd and (now) tftp
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| 06:44 | <ogra> dpkg -l |grep inet
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| 06:45 | <tryggvib> I get two ii lines, openbsd-inetd and update-inetd
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| 06:45 | <ogra> hmm, thats fine
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| 06:46 | <tryggvib> so what should inetd.conf contain?
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| 06:46 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client calls update-inetd at the end of the build process to put the entry in
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| 06:46 | did the build finish with a success message ?
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| 06:47 | <alkisg> I think the error is in tftpd-hpa.postinst: there's a line before update-inet: if [ ! -n "$2" -a "$USE_INETD" = "true" ]; then
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| 06:47 | which is false when I do "dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa"
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| 06:47 | called with: PARAM1 = configure, PARAM2=0.48-2.3ubuntu1, USE_INETD=true
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| 06:47 | <ogra> if [ -n "$2" -a "$2" != "<unknown>" ] && dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt "0.36-1"; then
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| 06:47 | db_set tftpd-hpa/use_inetd true ||true
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| 06:47 | fi
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| 06:48 | it sets it at the top
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| 06:49 | <alkisg> With dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa, the if is false, update-inet inside is not executed
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| 06:49 | <ogra> that still doesnt explain the absence of nbdrootd though
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| 06:49 | <alkisg> No - I'm still back at the tftp problem :)
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| 06:49 | <ogra> something is really wonky with that setup in general
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| 06:50 | <tryggvib> from years of happily setting things up hacker style I figured out that apt is the best way, which makes it weird that my setup is "wonky"
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| 06:50 | :D
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| 06:51 | <ogra> well, either your ltsp-build-client didnt finish properly or something *is* wonky :)
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| 06:51 | the code adding the inetd line doesnt even have checks, it bindly calls update-inetd meaning it has to be there in any case
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| 06:52 | <tryggvib> first when I tried it (over ssh) it failed (network screw up because of changed dhcp file), then I rm -r /opt/ltsp/* and did it again
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| 06:53 | I did it again not over the net (and fixed the dhcp while I was at it)
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| 06:54 | aaa... here we have something... the ltsp-build-client ended with a warning "found port in use already"
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| 06:54 | Info: raising nbdroot portnumber by one to be 2001
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| 06:55 | then it says it's updating the inetd config and PXE and that the client installation was completed successfully
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| 06:55 | could this be a port problem?
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| 06:56 | <ogra> well, according to that you should actually have two nbdrootd entries
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| 06:57 | <tryggvib> running netstat -tulp shows something running on port 2001 but nothing on 2000
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| 06:57 | <ogra> one for port 2000 and one for port 2001
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| 06:58 | <tryggvib> do you know how to check out what's running on port 2000?
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| 06:59 | or... if something is really running on port 2000 (since I believe my system really *is* wonky)
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| 06:59 | <Nubae> netstat -tulp should tell u, but normally thats your nbd chroot
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| 07:00 | inetd.conf should list it
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| 07:00 | <tryggvib> tried that but nothing showing up on port 2000 (we are discussing why nbdrootd isn't in my inetd.conf)
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| 07:01 | you guys are awesome, I would have been trying to figure all this out for 50 years (and still wouldn't have gotten this far)
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| 07:02 | <ogra> well, all we figured out yet is that its broken somehow
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| 07:03 | <tryggvib> aaa.. nbdrootd is the tcpd in inetd.conf
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| 07:03 | well, at least I know that I'm not broken somehow (just my sysadmin skills)
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| 07:03 | <Nubae> heh
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| 07:04 | <tryggvib> how should the nbdrootd line in inetd.conf look like?
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| 07:05 | mine is: 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img (and another one for port 2001 but that's running images/amd64.img)
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| 07:05 | <Nubae> thats fine
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| 07:05 | it doesnt show running with netstat?
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| 07:06 | <tryggvib> not the 2000 port
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| 07:06 | <ogra> ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 07:06 | <tryggvib> just the 2001
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| 07:07 | <ogra> does it exist ?
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| 07:07 | <tryggvib> ogra: I didn't see that you asked me to check inetd.conf for nbdroot (but it's there)
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| 07:07 | aaaa... ogra thank you
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| 07:08 | I only have amd64.img
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| 07:08 | <ogra> aha
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| 07:08 | there is your problem
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| 07:08 | <tryggvib> you're a genious!
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| 07:08 | <ogra> i wrote that crap :)
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| 07:08 | <tryggvib> so I should just run ltsp-build-client --arch i386 right?
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| 07:08 | <ogra> sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --copy-sourceslist
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| 07:09 | that will also give you the servers sources.list in the client env ... helpful for updates
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| 07:09 | <tryggvib> why copy-sourceslist, what does that do (I know I know RTFM)
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| 07:09 | ok you answered it :)
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| 07:10 | it's running... so, i should restart the inet server after the client has been built
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| 07:11 | I wonder whether the problem is due to that my server is amd64 (and not the thin clients)
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| 07:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> tryggvib: once you have the server's sources list, you can update the client chroot
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| 07:12 | <tryggvib> but still, should that explain the tftp absence?
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| 07:12 | <tryggvib> _UsUrPeR_: what do you mean?
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| 07:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> tryggvib: the server's OS is independant from the ones created for the client.
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| 07:12 | the client OS is determined by the --arch command
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| 07:13 | <tryggvib> gotcha :)
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| 07:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> --arch i386 = 32 bit
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| 07:13 | <tryggvib> yup, I understand, I just thought both would be built
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| 07:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> --arch amd64 = 64
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| 07:13 | <tryggvib> assumption is the mother of all fuck ups :)
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| 07:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> wel it sure doesn't get you anywhere
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| 07:14 | now what I had meant about updating your chroot: the "chroot" I am reffering to is the image that the server creates when you run ltsp-build-client
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| 07:15 | it creates it at /opt/ltsp/i386(or amd64 if you are running a 64-bit thinclient)
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| 07:16 | in order to update the client's image with apt-get or something along the lines, /proc has to be mounted in the chroot. It can be done as follows: mount --bind /proc /optltsp/i386/proc
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| 07:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> after that, chtoor /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 07:16 | err... chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 07:17 | and run apt-get upgrade/update
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| 07:17 | <tryggvib> nice
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| 07:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> once the updates are complete, you need to update the client image
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| 07:18 | so exit out of chroot, and run ltsp-update-image
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| 07:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> ... *this ends instructional video*
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| 07:20 | <tryggvib> _UsUrPeR_: thank you very much for that :)
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| 07:21 | <tryggvib> allright, suspense... starting up the thin client again :)
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| 07:21 | awesome ultasuperpowers it's alive :D
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| 07:22 | if anyone of you helpers likes to visit Iceland, the beers on me :D
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| 07:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> yay!
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| 07:23 | <cyberorg> Nubae, to keep you happy, we've had ltsp in /opt/ltsp for a long time now :)
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| 07:24 | <tryggvib> now I can play with the login... getting my users to start the Xsession :) this is awesome, thanks (you can't believe how happy I am)
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| 07:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> tryggvib: remember: if you create new users on the server, be sure to update the sshkeys with ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 07:26 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, not when creating users, just when changing IP
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| 07:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> whoop, my bad.
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| 07:26 | tryggvib: cyberorg is correct
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| 07:27 | <tryggvib> allright (not that update-sshkeys would break the system ;)
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| 07:58 | <tryggvib> is it wise to chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386 and run apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
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| 07:58 | <ogra> no
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| 07:58 | you need the desktop on the server
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| 07:58 | not inside the chroot
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| 07:59 | <tryggvib> I installed thin-client-manager-gnome (hoping that was the Window manager)
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| 08:00 | so I actually need to transform my server into a desktop machine for ltsp?
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| 08:00 | <ogra> after ltsp-build-client you shouldnt touch /opt/ltsp/i386 anymore apart from doing upgrades or installing security fixes
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| 08:00 | <tryggvib> ok, noted :)
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| 08:00 | <ogra> its only used to bring up the client HW
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| 08:01 | and to start the login manager
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| 08:01 | everything else happens on the server
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| 08:01 | <tryggvib> understood :)
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| 08:01 | <ogra> thin-client-manager-gnome was an app to manage the client sessions, but its deprecated, use italc for that
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| 08:02 | <tryggvib> so I install the ubuntu-desktop on my server so that my user can login and work in Gnome
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| 08:02 | <ogra> right
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| 08:02 | or any other desktop you like
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| 08:02 | <tryggvib> yup
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| 08:02 | <ogra> but you need a desktop session installed
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| 08:03 | <tryggvib> ok, now I understand
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| 08:03 | I thought the opt/ltsp/i386 was the environment the clients would run
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| 08:04 | <tryggvib> but now, my server is amd64 but the thin clients are i386, won't that be a problem?
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| 08:04 | <ogra> nope
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| 08:04 | <tryggvib> nice
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| 08:04 | <jammcq> tryggvib: behold the power of the X Window System
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| 08:04 | the thin client runs the code in /opt/ltsp/i386, the user logs in and launches the session on the server, displaying on the client
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| 08:05 | <ogra> hey jammcq
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| 08:05 | <jammcq> hey ogra
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| 08:05 | <tryggvib> I continue to be amazed by the free/open source hackers... even after 7 years
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| 08:05 | you truly are the smartest of the smartest
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| 08:05 | <jammcq> tryggvib: you can thank the wizards back at MIT in 1985 for coming up with X
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| 08:05 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:05 | yeah
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| 08:06 | <tryggvib> I never really understood fully why it was such a good design to have X Window as a server/client architecture until a few seconds ago
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| 08:06 | I always thought it was a nice feature for ssh -X :)
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| 08:06 | <jammcq> yeah, pretty awesome when you figure that out
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| 08:09 | anyway, time to head to the office
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| 08:09 | <tryggvib> bye and thanks for the eye opening jammcq :)
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| 08:10 | just out of curiosity, how old are you?
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| 08:11 | please don't say younger than 27, then I'll feel like I've been wasting my life ;)
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| 08:12 | <jammcq> tryggvib: umm, I'm definately not younger than 27 :)
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| 08:12 | I'm almost 48
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| 08:13 | <tryggvib> so I have 21 years to gain your experience :)
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| 09:59 | <vagrantc> planning on tagging ldm-trunk soonish
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| 10:06 | <MichalPenka> Hello everybody
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| 10:06 | I'm trying to get Ubuntu ltsp work but have problems
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 10:06 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 10:07 | <MichalPenka> I have jaunty amd64 as a server (it's a laptop) and one dumb pc with Intel PXE connected with switch in the middle, there's no other network
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| 10:07 | <MichalPenka> the problem is client doesn't boot
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| 10:07 | it writes Intel PXE error
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| 10:08 | can anyone help?
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| 10:09 | no sorry, the message is Exiting Intel PXE ROM
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> How did you install ltsp (alternate cd, ubuntu server, desktop cd)? And did you add --arch i386 to ltsp-build-client?
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| 10:10 | <MichalPenka> it's commonly installed jaunty with desktop cd
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| 10:10 | then I've installed ltsp-server-standalone
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| 10:10 | and yes, I've added --arch i386 for building the client
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| 10:10 | <alkisg> Did you change /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to suit your network?
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| 10:11 | <MichalPenka> my network is simple
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| 10:11 | just two computers and simple swith in between
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| 10:11 | my server has 192.168.0.1
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| 10:11 | so I've left the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf without any change
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> What does this say? sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server status
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| 10:12 | <MichalPenka> Status of DHCP server: dhcpd3 is running.
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| 10:13 | I've added this sentence at the end of /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf:
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| 10:13 | include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf";
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf isn't used when you install an ltsp server
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| 10:14 | Do you have another dhcp server running? E.g. a router?
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| 10:14 | <MichalPenka> but this include should solve it, am I right?
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| 10:14 | nn, no routers
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> No, this include shouldn't change anything...
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| 10:14 | <MichalPenka> aha
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| 10:14 | so shall I copy the content of it into dhcpd.conf file?
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> As /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf isn't read at all
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| 10:15 | No, leave /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf as it is, it should be there.
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| 10:15 | <MichalPenka> so what is read?
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| 10:15 | so dhcpd starts with /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf configuration as default?
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:16 | <MichalPenka> ok
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| 10:16 | so can you see any problem somewhere?
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> So you have the default /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file, nothing changed, and your server ip is 192.168.0.1 ?
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| 10:16 | <MichalPenka> yes
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> Sounds ok... let's see the tftp server.
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| 10:16 | <MichalPenka> authoritative;
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| 10:16 | subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
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| 10:16 | range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250;
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| 10:16 | option domain-name "example.com";
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| 10:16 | option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;
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| 10:16 | option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255;
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| 10:17 | option routers 192.168.0.1;
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| 10:17 | # next-server 192.168.0.1;
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| 10:17 | # get-lease-hostnames true;
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| 10:17 | option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
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| 10:17 | option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 10:17 | if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
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| 10:17 | filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 10:17 | } else {
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| 10:17 | filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 10:17 | }
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| 10:17 | }
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> MichalPenka: don't paste here
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| 10:17 | <MichalPenka> oh
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| 10:17 | sorry
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| 10:17 | but this is my configuration :)
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| 10:17 | ok
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| 10:17 | alkisg: sorry
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> There's a site for pasting text, called pastebot
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| 10:17 | !pastebot
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| 10:17 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> You paste your files there, and paste the link here...
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| 10:17 | <MichalPenka> ok
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| 10:17 | thanks and sorry again
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> Try this: sudo netstat -tulp
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| 10:18 | Is your tftp server running?
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| 10:18 | <MichalPenka> i don't see it there
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf ?
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| 10:19 | <MichalPenka> ok sorry
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| 10:19 | it was there
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| 10:19 | udp 0 0 *:tftp *:* 2690/inetd
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| 10:20 | and the grep:
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| 10:20 | <ogra> do you have any other dhcp server in your network (i.e. on a DSL router or so)
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> So everything sounds OK... Do you have a crossover cable to try without the switch?
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| 10:20 | <MichalPenka> tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 10:20 | I'll check
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| 10:21 | no I don't :(
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| 10:22 | but the computer I'm trying to use as a thin client has system on it
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| 10:22 | so I can check if dhcp works
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> OK, boot it and try "dhclient eth0"
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| 10:22 | <MichalPenka> am I right?
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 10:22 | <MichalPenka> ok
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| 10:24 | <MichalPenka> the system just loaded and ifconfig returns 192.168.0.21
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| 10:25 | so it probably works
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| 10:25 | strange thing
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| 10:25 | I cannot ping 192.168.0.1
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| 10:26 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you seem to be right regarding the COLUMNS no longer being necessary with dpkg output ... it used to be.
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah, ok, cause I thought ubuntu did something different, thanks
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| 10:27 | MichalPenka: I think your switch does some weird stuff like cutting some traffic... can you ssh into your server?
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| 10:27 | <MichalPenka> somewhy I needed to do /etc/init.d/networking restart on server in order to have the IP
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| 10:27 | <vagrantc> !ver
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| 10:27 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ver" is ti get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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| 10:27 | <MichalPenka> my server has static IP in interfaces file
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| 10:27 | <Kougloff> hi here
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> MichalPenka: OK, can you ping the server now?
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| 10:28 | <MichalPenka> yes
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| 10:28 | and the ssh works as well
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: learn ver as to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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| 10:28 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> (I wonder how you got an IP... maybe a previous lease?)
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> !ver
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| 10:28 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ver" is (#1) ti get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}', or (#2) to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm (1 more message)
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| 10:28 | <MichalPenka> strange why server looses my ip
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: forget ver #1
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| 10:28 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: There is no such factoid.
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| 10:28 | <Kougloff> I have a problem with K12Linux and NTFS usb stick... Anyone can help me?
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: forget ver
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| 10:28 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: forget ver(#1)
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| 10:29 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: There is no such factoid.
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> sorry for the noise ...
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| 10:29 | <Kougloff> ..
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| 10:29 | <MichalPenka> no problem :)
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> ltspbot` is so hard to work with in private
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| 10:29 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> MichalPenka: gotta go for a while - be back in 30 min... good luck!
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| 10:29 | <MichalPenka> thanks for your help!
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 10:30 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> Kougloff: ^^
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| 10:30 | <Kougloff> ^^
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| 10:30 | <MichalPenka> so is there anybody else who could help me? :)
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| 10:30 | hey
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| 10:31 | now it loads something
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| 10:31 | <vagrantc> Kougloff: you didn't describe what the problem was
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| 10:31 | <MichalPenka> hahaaaaaaa
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| 10:31 | works!!!
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| 10:31 | <vagrantc> Kougloff: just ask your questions and if people know how to help you, they will respond. be patient.
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| 10:31 | <MichalPenka> thanks alkisg!
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| 10:31 | <Kougloff> Sorry The usb stick (ntfs) is mounted on the desktop user. But is empty....
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| 10:32 | Sorry for my english, i'm french ;)
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| 10:32 | <vagrantc> Kougloff: your english is fine :)
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| 10:32 | <Kougloff> ok cool ^^
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| 10:33 | * ogra bets its better than vagrantc's french ;) | |
| 10:35 | <vagrantc> hell, it's better than my spanish even
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| 10:36 | <Kougloff> And,i define, when the usb stick (NTFS) is mounted on the server, the folder is on the desktop, and the content is readable
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| 10:37 | <vagrantc> Kougloff: i don't know k12linux so well, but clearly there's something amiss with what it's using to mount the ntfs filesystem ... i don't know if it's using the in-kernel NTFS code or something like ntfsprogs ...
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| 10:37 | sorry to not be more help
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| 10:39 | <Kougloff> Ok, i will try. NTFS = Bad ^^..
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> Kougloff: vfat will probably be more cross-platform, even if a little limited.
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| 10:43 | <Kougloff> ok, but how to execute this for the client ?
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> can't reformat drives with LTSP ... you'll have to plug it into a regular computer to do that
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| 10:44 | <Kougloff> Haok ;)
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| 10:46 | I will post in the K12's mailing list for this problem. And when i have a response, i com back in #ltsp channel
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc> Kougloff: good luck
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| 10:50 | <Kougloff> Thanks;)
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> !ver
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| 11:06 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "ver" is (#1) ti get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}', or (#2) to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | (1 more message)
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> forget ver 1
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| 11:08 | !forget ver 1
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| 11:08 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> !ver
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| 11:08 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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| 11:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: thanks.
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> np :)
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| 11:11 | !tftp
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| 11:11 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: Error: "tftp" is not a valid command.
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> ldm 2.0.39 tagged, pushed, and uploaded to debian.
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| 11:37 | <NeonLicht> backported to Lenny? worth upgrading?
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> haven't built a backport yet
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| 11:39 | <ogra> impatient users ... tsk
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| 11:39 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "changes in debian's ldm 2.0.39-1" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/293
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> NeonLicht: mostly translation updates
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> 7 languages at 100%, 3 at 97%
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| 11:43 | 97.7
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| 11:43 | i guess i missed the rc.d stuff, though.
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| 11:44 | would be good to figure out how to merge that into a single file someday...
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| 11:51 | <maginot> hey, whats the option that I need to have in lts.conf if im using XSERVER ? (I just forgot)
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> maginot: ?
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| 11:51 | maginot: XSERVER ?
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| 11:52 | <ogra> CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 11:52 | <maginot> ogra, on default right?
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| 11:53 | <ogra> as you like
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| 11:53 | <maginot> okay, thanks
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> ah, right.
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| 11:54 | i think it actually should autodetect that with recent versions.
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| 11:54 | i.e. if XSERVER is set, it sets CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 11:56 | <ogra> yeah ... hardy != recent :)
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| 11:57 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 11:57 | <ogra> 21days to jaunty
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| 11:57 | * vagrantc hates to say that debian lenny, though released 1.5 months ago, != recent | |
| 11:57 | <ogra> and the death of gutsy
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| 11:57 | <vagrantc> but i provide good backports :)
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| 11:58 | * vagrantc can't wait to upgrade a gutsy box to lenny :) | |
| 11:59 | * vagrantc wonders how disasterous an apt-get dist-upgrade could go | |
| 12:01 | <ogra> heavily i guess
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| 12:01 | i mean, it might work, but leave you with a bastard system
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| 12:03 | <MichalPenka> Hi all again. I went through the LTSP manual but didn't find the answer to my question. Am I able to create different systems (teacher's/student's) to supply thin clients with?
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| 12:04 | Thanks for reply
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| 12:07 | <NeonLicht> thanks, vagrantc, not really necessary to upgrade LDM, then :-)
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| 12:08 | vagrantc, wouldn't it be better to do an apt-get install aptitude && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade?
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| 12:12 | <ogra> NeonLicht, aptitude is installed by default
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| 12:12 | <NeonLicht> I know, ogra
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| 12:12 | <ogra> why woudl you apt-get install it then ?
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| 12:13 | <NeonLicht> ogra, but the recommended way to upgrade Debian is by first upgrasding aptitude from apt-get and then upgrade the rest of the system using aptitude
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| 12:13 | ogra, to upgrade the broken one from Ubuntu to the great one from Debian XDDD
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| 12:14 | * ogra starts getting annoyed by that ubuntu bashing | |
| 12:14 | <NeonLicht> hahaha
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| 12:14 | annoying was the original idea, yes XDD
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| 12:15 | <ogra> NeonLicht, you are aware that canonical paid a fulltime dev for three years for the initial devlopment of ltsp5, right ?
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| 12:16 | <NeonLicht> sure, the only bad thing about LTSP 5 is that it first comes from Ubuntu XDD
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| 12:16 | <ogra> thanks for respecting my work ...
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| 12:16 | <NeonLicht> come on, I'm just joking
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| 12:17 | ooppsss... he really took it serious
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| 12:17 | <cyberorg> NeonLicht, you dont joke with 3 years of hard work he put in
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| 12:18 | <NeonLicht> I did not joke about his work, just about Ubuntu
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| 12:37 | * vagrantc grumbles | |
| 12:41 | <maginot> anyidea on how to block clients from adding items in the gnome panel ?
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| 12:41 | like those eyes applets and things like that
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| 12:42 | <cliebow> cant you use pessulus to minimize that stuff?
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> some sort of gconf hackery, i think
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| 12:42 | <Lumiere> uninstall stuff? :)
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| 12:43 | but I think vagrantc's right... there has to be some gconf registry hackery for it
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| 12:43 | <maginot> Hmm okay, I'll take a look on that
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| 12:50 | cliebow, this pessulus app, you use it? It have anyoption for global config?
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| 12:50 | <MichalPenka> vagrantc: Can I ask you whether you are main developer of LDM?
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc> MichalPenka: i'm just one of the ltsp developers
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| 12:51 | <jammcq> hey homies
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| 12:51 | <MichalPenka> vagrantc: Great. I would like to ask you for a help with pam_usb authentication :)
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| 12:51 | <jammcq> stgraber: hey, just read your blog post about LTSP. Very nice
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| 12:51 | <MichalPenka> vagrantc: can you please help me? Do you have any experience with it?
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| 12:51 | <cliebow> jammcq!!
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| 12:51 | <jammcq> hey chuck
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> ogra, warren, sbalneav, Ryan52, Gadi_eeepc and stgraber have all contributed as much or more than i have
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| 12:51 | <jammcq> how's it goin?
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> MichalPenka: no experience with pam_usb auth, no.
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| 12:52 | <cliebow> maginot, it has been so long since i avctually changed anything..i wont swear by it
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| 12:52 | <MichalPenka> vagrantc: I was asking because I saw you made 5 last commits :)
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> MichalPenka: you'd have to somehow use it to authenticate to the server's ssh server, so it's tricky
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| 12:53 | <MichalPenka> vagrantc: it's tricky a lot :) I am able to login normally, plug in the dongle and see the files on it
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| 12:54 | vagrantc: but I am unable to use it as a pam_usb device on thin client. Only server can handle this
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| 12:55 | vagrantc: do you have any ideas how to solve it? I would like to provide my students with the keyrings
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> pam_usb?
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| 12:56 | weird
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| 12:56 | :)
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> MichalPenka: pam_usb is probably not going to work... you'd have to put something on the usb stick that then is used to authenticate to the server via ssh.
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> pam sure gets around
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| 12:56 | use a private key
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| 12:57 | <cliebow> you have Pam's key?
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> cliebow: everybody has Pam's key
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| 12:57 | <MichalPenka> I have pam_usb working on my laptop/server
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> she gets around
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| 12:57 | :)
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| 12:57 | <cliebow> i guess so!
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> MichalPenka: won't work with LTSP
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| 12:58 | <MichalPenka> Gadi: do you have any other suggestions?
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> LTSP client does not use PAM
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| 12:58 | (its own pam, that is)
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| 12:58 | MichalPenka: use ssh keys
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| 12:59 | <MichalPenka> Gadi: how? I don't have any experience
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> are you trying to achieve password-less login?
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| 12:59 | <MichalPenka> Gadi:
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| 12:59 | Gadi: no
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| 12:59 | <vagrantc> you put the keys on the usb stick, and then configure it to automatically mount the usb stick, and configure ldm to use those ssh keys
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> what are you trying to achieve?
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| 12:59 | <vagrantc> MichalPenka: oh, what are you trying to do?
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| 13:00 | <MichalPenka> just to be able to login with the usb dongle
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| 13:00 | yes, it's passwordless :-D
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> so, you say "no", but you mean "yes"
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| 13:00 | <MichalPenka> vagrantc: thanks for suggestion
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> just like Pam
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| 13:00 | :)
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| 13:00 | <MichalPenka> Gadi: :-D
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| 13:01 | * vagrantc wonders about Gadi's past | |
| 13:01 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 13:01 | <cliebow> and future..
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| 13:01 | <MichalPenka> OK, I'll try that guys. Thanks a lot then ;)
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| 13:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> Just started working with ltsp-localapps in 8.10 Alternate installs. I notices that the gateway automatically assigned to clients thinclient is 192.168.0.1 when the server, by default, is set as 192.168.0.254. Is this a bug?
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| 13:38 | <maginot> _UsUrPeR_, I dont notice this here
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| 13:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> moginot: mind running a quick test for me?
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| 13:39 | <maginot> if you can wait a sec I can, Im recompiling the kernel in this right moment
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| 13:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> k
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| 13:39 | <maginot> _UsUrPeR_, what you need?
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| 13:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> just wondering what a netstat -n shows on your current client
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| 13:40 | if it has been installed via 8.10 alternative CDs
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| 13:40 | <maginot> oh, this I can do after all the compilation is happening in the server. Well, no, I'm using a regular ltsp install trhough apt-get
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| 13:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh'
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: the clients use dhcp, don't they? They get their gateway from the dhcp server...
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| 13:43 | So if dhcpd.conf (as usual) contains 192.168.0.1, that's what they get...
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| 13:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> correct. But the gateway server in the dhcpd.conf, upong installation with a 8.10 alternate install CD is incorrect.
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| 13:43 | it installs incorrectly.
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> It was 192.168.0.1 since at least Ubuntu 7.10
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| 13:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> fortunately, that would not be evident unless you were running ltsp-localapps
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| 13:44 | alkisg: yes, it is 192.168.0.1, unfortunately, when using the alternate install CD, is assigns eth1 to the address 192.168.0.254
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| 13:44 | while keeping the gateway for the clients in the dhcpd.conf at 192.168.0.1
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> Ah, I see the problem. Yes, also some scripts use 192.168.0.254.
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| 13:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> this should probably become congruent
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> (I've never done a "default" dhcp installation)
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| 13:45 | I wonder what the default debian dhcpd.conf looks like...
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| 13:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh :)
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| 13:45 | alkisg: have you tried using the ubuntu 8.10 alternative cds?
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| 13:46 | the installation's a breeze
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> Yes, 8.10, 8.04 and 9.04
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| 13:46 | But I've never had 2 cards - either one or four! :)
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| 13:47 | <maginot> is better to separate the client in 1 card and the gateway in the other ?
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| 13:47 | <alkisg> maginot: it's safer (security-wise) for the clients to see the "external world" only through the ltsp-server, not directly...
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| 13:48 | <maginot> but about performance....
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| 13:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> maginot: performance should not suffer... I would imagine it may even improve because of the throughput for both interfaces
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> Well, bonding 2 NICs sometimes doubles the performance... but not always.
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| 13:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have never seen bonding done properly myself :/
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| 13:50 | however, I never use high-quality products capable of it
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: I've tried bonding with 2 intel nics and 2 cheap realtek ones, I had 400mbps instead of 100...
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| 13:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O
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| 13:51 | what kind of switch were you running?
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| 13:51 | <maginot> hmmm at least our network is giabit
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| 13:51 | *gigabit
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> The cheapest I could find :)
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| 13:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O :O
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| 13:51 | It's been a while since I have experi\mented with that
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> And it has 8 Gbps total bandwidth (the switch), so if I could use bonding with e.g. 20 NICs, I could have 20x the speed...
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| 13:52 | <maginot> we are using a catalyst for this, but some clients still 100mb/s I have seen with iptraf about 90mb/s of usage
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| 13:54 | oh, and just to not forget to mention, I reinstalled my ltsp with 8.10 and again I can shutdown and reboot from client...
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| 13:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> maginot: yay!
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| 13:55 | <maginot> and this time I've changed just feel option in kernel, like ACPI (I removed)
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> In Ubuntu, how can I remove tftpd-hpa but keep ltsp-server installed?
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| 14:23 | <maginot> alkisg, did you trying removing the dependencies in /var/lib/dpkg/status ?
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| 14:24 | no
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> maginot: nope, I have no experience in this. Is this a common way to do it?
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| 14:24 | <maginot> this dont work
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's generally a bad idea to edit /var/lib/dpkg/status manually
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| 14:30 | that's asking for problems
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ok, so what can I do?
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: if it's a hard dependency with no alternatives, all you can do is patch the package.
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| 14:31 | make a custom package
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| 14:31 | <stgraber> jammcq: thanks
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> Hmmm ok, sounds troublesome (with updating etc) :( Thanks!
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| 14:33 | <MichalPenka> how about deborphan package?
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: not particularly difficult, just a bit of a bother, really.
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| 14:33 | i.e to keep current with new versions, security updates, etc.
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> vagrantc, well, if I patch the package, and ubuntu has a newer version of it, won't I need to patch the new version as well? yup, that's what I was thinking of... :(
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> tagging ltsp-trunk soonish
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| 14:34 | <MichalPenka> sorry, deborphan doesn't solve this probably
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes.
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> Sooo.... stgraber, would it be possible to change the dependencies to tftpd-hpa | dnsmasq ?
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| 14:35 | Because dnsmasq now has proxydhcp support, so it can be used on environments with an existing dhcp server...
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| 14:35 | (and dnsmasq tries to use the same port as tftpd-hpa...)
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> it would bring it closer in sync with debian ... debian has tftpd-hpa | atftpd | dnsmasq (>= 2.41)
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| 14:41 | <MichalPenka> I'm still playing with LTSP and reading manuals. But I didn't find anywhere whether there is some LTSP software management tool. Does anybody know about something similar? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ltsp-software-management explains my needs 8-)
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| 14:46 | <maginot> alkisg, after asking around, dpkg --remove --force-depends tftpd-hpa
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| 14:46 | <alkisg> maginot: thanks, looking into that...
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> alkisg: another thing you could do is make a dummy package that Provides: tftpd-hpa
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> and depends on dnsmasq, for good measure :)
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| 14:49 | <alkisg> maginot: it leaves some "unmet dependencies": The following packages have unmet dependencies: tsp-server: Depends: tftpd-hpa but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
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| 14:50 | vagrantc: that sounds doable and more proper, thanks!
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's still a bit of a hack, but less so :)
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| 14:52 | <maginot> alkisg, Gadi uses ubuntu maybe he know how to help you with that ... I know that there --ignore-depends too but Im not sure how to work with either two...
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> OK, thanks :)
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| 14:56 | <maginot> alkisg, ah! you are getting this after removing and now trying to install anything else?
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> maginot: yes, or just apt-get update 'ing the system...
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| 14:56 | <maginot> alkisg, there is something you can do to ignore this...
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| 14:59 | <maginot> if you do apt-get install -f it reinstall tftpd?
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> maginot: well, I'd rather try vagrantc's way, to avoid possible problems like needing to run `apt-get -f install` sometime later on to fix something else, and I don't want tftpd-hpa to be installed then...
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| 14:59 | Yes, apt-get -f install it reinstalls it
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| 14:59 | <maginot> okay
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| 14:59 | so you have to install a package which provides the missing dependency, 'equivs' is a package to create a dummy package to do this
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> Ah! Good info, looking...
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| 15:05 | <maginot> well, have to go now, cya tomorrow []'s
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| 15:08 | <stgraber> alkisg: not going to change a dependency at this point in the release cycle
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> stgraber: no, not for jaunty, for later on...
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| 15:08 | <stgraber> alkisg: and I'm not sure if I've the right to depend (even multiple depends) on something that's in universe
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| 15:09 | well, I'm sure I can't depend on it actually, just not sure if "package in main | package in universe" is allowed
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> So no hope for it, eh? :( Thanks, though.
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> ltsp 5.1.69 tagged, pushed and uploaded to debian unstable ...
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| 19:37 | <jammcq> hey friends
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