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Channel log from 12 January 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:13 | <vagrantc> well...
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| 01:14 | epoptes needs a bit of work for hte upcoming debian release...
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| 05:53 | <highvoltage> hey vagr<tab>
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| 07:01 | <gehidore> hey highvoltage <tabsuccess>
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| 07:39 | <highvoltage> :)
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| 13:51 | <bennabiy> alkisg, why would the locale be different on a fat client from the server from which the image was generated?
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> bennabiy, it needs troubleshooting
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| 14:03 | I.e. it shouldn't be different
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| 14:06 | <bennabiy> alkisg: Where do we start?
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> bennabiy: I'm still waiting for the greek ministry to fund the team, otherwise I've no reason to work in ltsp/epoptes/sch-scripts anymore... :)
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| 14:08 | It's been 1.5 years now with no funding...
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| 14:09 | <bennabiy> alkisg: that is sad
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> The saddest thing is that the new officials advertize the use of open source programs at schools, but they think that they're developed automatically, so they keep postponing the team funding
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| 14:13 | So the only way to convince them might be to stop the development completely for some time... I really hope we'll avoid that
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| 14:25 | <bennabiy> I really hope that can be avoided as well
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| 14:58 | <gvy> alkisg, hope those axios will survive all of this crap -- seen that in former ukraine (2001..2013 or so, we tried our best)
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> gvy: and after 2013, development was stopped?
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| 15:30 | <gvy> alkisg, basically the country has stopped
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| 16:55 | <Faith> hey guys :)
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| 16:55 | I'm having some trouble setting up LTSP (nbd) in Ubuntu 16.04
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| 16:56 | the lts.conf is not beeing load (/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/test-i386)
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| 16:56 | can you tell me when the file is load? so I can check if everything is OK
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> Faith: which tutorial did you use to set it up?
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| 17:01 | ltsp-pnp?
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| 17:03 | <bennabiy> Faith: You can check /etc/lts.conf on the client to see if one is actually being loaded
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> bennabiy: i have a few minutes available, do you want to check the locale issue via remote support?
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| 17:07 | <bennabiy> sure
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| 17:07 | on the client or server?
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> If you have epoptes installed, from the server it would be enough
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| 17:08 | !vnc-edide
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| 17:08 | <ltsp`> vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
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| 17:10 | <bennabiy> failed to connect
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| 17:10 | ah, probably because I am using remoteapps
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| 17:10 | let me log out and back in on the server.
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| 17:13 | <Faith> alkisg, I am using none, I already have a LTSP server running, but with Ubuntu 12.04. I'm justing trying a new version
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp | echo Faith:
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| 17:13 | <ltsp`> Faith: ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> Faith: try that one then ^
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| 17:14 | <Faith> alkisg, ltsp-pnp is not good for me, 'cause I use different arch than the server
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| 17:16 | <alkisg> Faith: so you're trying with plain ltsp-build-client?
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| 17:16 | <Faith> bennabiy, when I tried cat /var/cache/ltsp/ltsp_config_env on the client, it shows nothing
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> Faith: are you using ipappend 3?
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| 17:17 | (an option in pxelinux)
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| 17:17 | !ipappend
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| 17:17 | <ltsp`> ipappend: o temporarily solve DHCP problems in the initramfs, try putting IPAPPEND 3 after the APPEND line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default. More info: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX#IPAPPEND_flag_val_.5BPXELINUX_only.5D
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> bennabiy: I'm not watching vnc now, if you want me to see something , type here...
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| 17:18 | <bennabiy> ok
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| 17:18 | <Faith> alkisg, I am using ipappend 2
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| 17:19 | alkisg, I'll try ipappend 3, and see if it's work
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> Faith: no
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| 17:19 | The opposite,ipappend 3 would be a reason to not locate lts.conf
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| 17:19 | !tftp
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| 17:19 | <ltsp`> tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> Faith: there's a section there that tells how to try to download lts.conf from the client
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| 17:19 | Try only that line there, not the rest of the page
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| 17:21 | <alkisg> something like: tftp $SERVER -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/test-i386/lts.conf
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| 17:23 | <Faith> alkisg, I'll try
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| 17:23 | <bennabiy> seems like it is specific to my user
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| 17:24 | i try theoutput of locale and for the other user it was utf8 but my user i just en_US
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| 17:25 | <bennabiy> switching back to the fat client
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| 17:26 | why would my locale info switch whether i am on the server or the client?
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> Your LANGUAGE= was empty
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| 17:28 | <bennabiy> It is that way for all my users
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> But not on the server
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| 17:28 | I think mgariepy put some code to unset LANGUAGE when LANG was set in lts.conf
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| 17:28 | Maybe that causes issues
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| 17:28 | <bennabiy> no LANG set in lts.conf
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| 17:28 | perhaps that code is causing the issue
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| 17:32 | alkisg: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8962236
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| 17:32 | from the fat client, and then sshed into the server
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> bennabiy: ssh breaks some LANG environment variables
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| 17:32 | Don't use it to report things
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| 17:33 | bennabiy: you have LANG=en_US, which is wrong
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| 17:33 | It lacks the .UTF-8 part
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| 17:33 | You probably set that up in your desktop environment
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| 17:33 | I.e. in the mate options
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| 17:33 | Unset the wrong language and you'll be good to go
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| 17:34 | Obviously, ssh doesn't load the mate options...
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| 17:34 | <bennabiy> alkisg: on the server it is utf8 though
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> So it's just a user misconfiguration, nothing that relates to ltsp
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| 17:34 | gsettings list-recursively | grep en_US
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| 17:34 | this will help you search the wrong setting
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| 17:35 | <bennabiy> as in, when I log into the server, directy, it works, but not on the fat client,
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| 17:35 | <alkisg> There are many places where the locale is set
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| 17:35 | <bennabiy> gsettings came up with nothing
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| 17:36 | <alkisg> lightdm, accountsservice, mate etc etc
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| 17:36 | bennabiy: anyway, vnc to me from the client to see
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| 17:36 | !vnc-dide
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| 17:36 | <ltsp`> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 17:36 | <bennabiy> The only difference between the two is one was generated by ltsp, without customization, and the other is the native install
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| 17:36 | <alkisg> No, it's also the DM running etc
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| 17:37 | So for example 3 bugs in ubuntu might prevent you from seeing the first 2 bugs
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| 17:39 | <Faith> alkisg, I tried the command tftp that you suggested, and it's work. But /var/cache/ltsp/ltsp_config_env doesn't show the variables I set
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| 17:39 | <mgariepy> alkisg, it's been years since I've touched LTSP :)
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> mgariepy: yup, i know! hi there!
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| 17:43 | bennabiy: here's the issue, your .dmrc is wrong
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| 17:43 | delete it and the issue will be fixed
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| 17:43 | <bennabiy> why does it work on the server though?
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> Because lightdm doesn't respect your dmrc, or check if it's wrong and ignores it,
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| 17:44 | while ldm just does what you say there
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| 17:44 | <bennabiy> ah
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> bennabiy: you can completely delete .dmrc
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| 17:44 | It's not required
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| 17:45 | <bennabiy> rebooting to test
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> Faith: can you see, in the tftp server logs, which lts.conf the client requests on boot? Does it request /ltsp/i386/lts.conf instead of test-i386?
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| 17:47 | <bennabiy> great. works
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| 17:47 | thank you alkisg
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> np
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| 18:17 | <Faith> alkisg, that's the only thing that is beeing logged http://pastebin.com/gC6Zp9Jx
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| 18:31 | <alkisg> Faith: you put "verbose" in tftpd options to enable logging
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| 18:31 | Somewhere in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa, google it
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| 18:32 | * alkisg is using dnsmasq instead... | |
| 18:37 | <mgariepy> how are you doing alkisg ?
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> mgariepy: everything's fine, if you exclude the fact that I'm not paid to work in ltsp for a very long time now :D
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| 18:38 | You? Still in rev. lin?
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| 18:38 | <mgariepy> rev lin has been dead for a while ;)
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> ouch :)
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| 18:39 | Hope you found other good things to work on
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| 18:39 | <mgariepy> i now work at Sherbrooke university
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| 18:39 | mosly openstack stuff ;)
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| 18:39 | <alkisg> Sounds cool :)
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| 18:39 | ...and steady!
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| 18:39 | <mgariepy> yeah it's very nice
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| 18:40 | I also have a 3yo son now :D
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| 18:41 | <alkisg> Niceeee!!!!
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| 18:42 | May he live a nice life with your family. Sorry I don't know any typical english wishes about that :D
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| 18:42 | <mgariepy> haha ;)
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| 18:43 | where are you working now ?
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> I've a steady job since 2000, teacher, but for the last 4 years I moved into a technical position where I'm in charge of a team maintaining ~300 school computer labs
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| 18:45 | (I.T. teachers can change positions like that)
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| 18:45 | The extra job, ltsp, is no longer there :)
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| 18:47 | <Faith> alkisg, it's search in /ltsp/i386/lts.conf. Where can we change it?
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> Faith: which distro/version is that? (the chroot)
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| 18:48 | <Faith> alkisg, ubuntu 16.04 i386
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> Hrm strange. How's your dhcpd setup?
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| 18:48 | Does it properly send the test-i386 file?
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| 18:49 | (rootpath)
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| 18:50 | I've uploaded a patch that makes that work even for wrong dhcp setups
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| 18:50 | So you can either fix your dhcpd, or download the patch
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| 18:54 | <Faith> alkisg, dhcp config http://pastebin.com/pct6Mp6M
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| 19:06 | <Faith> alkisg, if the dhcp root-path was wrong it would load the image?
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> if substring( option vendor-class-identifier , 0 , 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
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| 19:07 | Faith: when the client does the pxe request, it sends "PXEClient" as the identifier
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| 19:08 | Later on when it gets the ip, it sends "Linux ipconfig" or "udhcpc something"
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| 19:08 | So yes the setup is wrong, and yes it would load the image but not lts.conf
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| 19:08 | Btw one very easy workaround is to symlink the two lts.conf so that you only have a single one...
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| 19:09 | ln -s ../i386/lts.conf lts.conf, something like that
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| 19:09 | In the patch, I made it stop using the rootpath and use the vmlinuz path instead, which is easier to configure, no more dhcp setup there
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| 19:09 | <Faith> but I'll have a lot of images, with different lts.conf
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| 19:11 | alkisg, how can I fix the dhcp? Every tutorial that I saw make identifier = PXEClient
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> dhcp-vendorclass=etherboot,Etherboot
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| 19:12 | dhcp-vendorclass=pxe,PXEClient
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| 19:12 | dhcp-vendorclass=ltsp,"Linux ipconfig"
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| 19:13 | dhcp-boot=net:pxe,/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 19:13 | dhcp-boot=net:etherboot,/ltsp/i386/nbi.img
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| 19:13 | dhcp-boot=net:ltsp,/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 19:13 | These are the correct dnsmasq options
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| 19:13 | You need to map "Linux ipconfig" to the correct lts.conf path, as shown above, but in the dhcpd.conf syntax which I'm not familiar with.
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| 19:13 | possibly an 'elif ...' below the existing if
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| 19:15 | Faith: this is the patch I committed, which makes all those settings obsolete: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2742
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| 19:15 | You can just apply that one...
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| 19:16 | It goes in $CHROOT/usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/05-getltscfonfile
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| 19:16 | *conffile
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| 19:17 | <Faith> alkisg, I saw that file when I was search where lts.conf was load, I'll try to modify it
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> red lines ==> remove, green ==> add
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| 19:17 | <Faith> this change will be it the official release?
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> It already is
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| 19:17 | But not backported to 16.04
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| 19:19 | <Faith> alkisg, so now it will use the image name to looking for the lts.conf? or do I have to change other configs?
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> If you do the change and run ltsp-update-image, you don't need to change your dhcpd or other config
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| 19:20 | <Faith> but later (after ltsp-update-image) I can change the lts.conf without update chroot right?
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| 19:23 | alkisg, I have to go now... tomorrow I'll try it and I tell you if it works. Thank you :)
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| 20:21 | <bennabiy> Hi vagrantc
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| 20:22 | I got fingerprint auth to work in fat client, after initial login
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> fingerprint auth?
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| 20:24 | ah, a fingerprint reader?
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| 20:25 | aren't those basically just little scanners? you could use a full-sized flatbed and use palm-print verification! :)
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| 20:25 | bennabiy: using ldm, or some other display manager?
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| 20:25 | bennabiy: have you messed with the new and improved latest and greatest pam-based ltsp6 stuff? :)
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| 20:25 | <bennabiy> I need to
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| 20:26 | currently working on a server project first
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| 20:26 | taking longer than I thought
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| 20:26 | It is only auth after initial login (so does not work with ldm yet)
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| 20:26 | but does work with lightdm if I migrate to the new stuff
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| 20:26 | :)
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| 20:27 | vagrantc: I could see people getting too "creative" if you give them too much scanning surface... I remember what the recruiters used to do with their fax machines..
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> full-moon backside verification?
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| 20:28 | <bennabiy> Easy to duplicate?
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| 20:28 | Not-so-Public key authentication
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| 20:28 | anyway...
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| 20:29 | vagrantc: what is the easiest way to implement the new stuff without sacrificing the old just yet?
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: it's co-installable, so you can configure a single client to use it by changing lts.conf variables
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| 20:30 | and it *shouldn't* impact other clients...
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| 20:30 | <bennabiy> great
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> and if it's not, we should fix it :)
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| 20:30 | <bennabiy> I could test on my fat client then
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| 20:31 | <vagrantc> i should really start to push some of this into debian experimental
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| 20:34 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: how can I test?
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| 20:34 | !ltsp6
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| 20:34 | <ltsp`> ltsp6: (#1) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/?field.tag=ltsp6, or (#2) wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes
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| 20:39 | <vagrantc> the wiki page should have instructions
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| 20:39 | i've only tested it on debian stretch so far
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| 20:42 | mostly fat-client only, although there is some glitchy support for thin clients
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| 23:13 | <vagrantc> !flow-control
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| 23:13 | <ltsp`> flow-control: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl
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