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Channel log from 20 October 2009 (all times are UTC)

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00:01	<epaphus> Hi, does LTSP run everything through the network.. or can it at least load the entire kernel in the RAM? I need to know how much can run in the RAM
00:01	iam afraid the minimal interruption of the network can freeze the work of a user or cause serious disruption
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00:22	<cyberorg> epaphus, yes ltsp runs everything through network, but "minimal interruption" will not cause bit issue
00:22	<ball> hello epaphus
00:22	<epaphus> cyberorg, thank you.. what is the limit on a 1 gigabit network as to the amount of users?
00:23	ball, well well well.. look who is here ;)
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00:23	* ball grins
00:23	<cyberorg> epaphus, about 150M RAM per client required on the server, 1 G network is not an issue
00:24	<johnny> epaphus, yes.. kernel is loaded in ram..
00:24	once it is pulled
00:24	<epaphus> cyberorg, what if they are executing firefox? Do those ram calculations change completely ? So firefox doesnt run on the server?
00:25	<cyberorg> epaphus, you can have it both ways, run on the server or client
00:25	you need powerful enough client with enough RAM to run firefox local
00:25	<epaphus> then ltsp is exactly what I need :)
00:26	all the users will use an Atom proc :)
00:26	<ball> epaphus: I just got one of those :-)
00:26	<epaphus> ball, they are amazing
00:26	so far
00:26	i just got mine yesterday
00:28	<ball> I'm quite happy with mine. Not too sure about the firmware, but then I rarely find firmware I like.
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03:41	<art> Hi can anyone help me? I don't think my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf configurations are having any effects, for example, I turn off the Sound = False, nothing, Volume = 0, how do I know it's working? Thanks
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03:51	<vlt> Hello. I want to boot a client from floppy. I normally would download a .zdsk image from rom-o-matic.net but I don't know what NIC will be in that box. Is there a "universal PXE boot floppy" somewhere that will probe a list of NICs and boot when found one (i. e. when got a DHCP response)?
03:53	Wait, there's this new option "all-drivers" on rom-o-matic.net ... Does this mean what it sounds like?
03:55	<elias_a> vlt: In general, yes.
03:56	<vlt> elias_a: Wow, thank you.
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03:56	<elias_a> There are however some cheap NICs having IDs not listed anywhere.
03:56	<art> OK, I forgot to put the equal sign in SERVER =
03:56	<elias_a> I think these are found mostly in developing countries.
03:58	<din_os> hello, I am thinking of using the new OSS 4.2 sound for my ltsp server, this will remove ALSA/Pulse, does ltsp work well with this? (9.04)
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05:05	<art> Hi can anyone help me? How do I setup the correct resolution of my thin client? It detects 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024, thanks...
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05:05	<art> What do I change in the lts.conf - I've read the manual but am not sure how to tinker when it comes to X
05:08	<alkisg_work> art, so you need to force a higher resolution? What graphics card do you have?
05:11	<art> Hi alkisg, it used to be okay, but after updating chroot, my resolution was downgraded, I'm using the built in graphics card of Intel Atom, thanks..
05:11	I'm not sure why it downgraded to 1024x768, but I was using 1280x1024 LG LCD monitor, is this normal? thanks
05:13	I tried CONFIGURE_X = True X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 to see the heck of it, but it doesn't show up
05:13	<alkisg_work> What distro/version?
05:14	<art> Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope LTSP 5
05:14	<alkisg_work> CONFIGURE_X isn't needed in jaunty
05:14	<art> Oh I see... Do I need to delete my xorg.conf in chroot?
05:14	<alkisg_work> You shouldn't have any, do you?
05:14	<art> And replace it with my server settings?
05:14	<alkisg_work> Did you manually put a xorg.conf there?
05:15	<art> No, I don't have
05:15	I was just guessing and doing some homework, thanks for the help
05:15	<alkisg_work> You may need X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH, if your monitor is no longer properly autodetected
05:16	<art> Yes I've tried that also: X_HORZSYNC = 1024 X_VERTREFRESH = 1280
05:16	<alkisg_work> No, those are frequencies
05:16	bbl...
05:16	<art> Oh so how do I do it?
05:19	Yes I've tried that also: X_HORZSYNC = 60 X_VERTREFRESH = 60 -- is this right?
05:19	Together with X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 ?
05:20	<alkisg_work> No no need for X_MODE_0 in that case
05:20	the biggest mode will be used
05:20	It's something like X_HORZSYNC=30-90
05:20	Gotta go, later...
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05:21	<art> Ok thanks alkisg
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05:50	<art> Hi can anybody help me? I'm trying to force a resolution to my thin client, it was almost OK, with X_HORZSYNC = 60 producing 1280x960, I'm almost few pixels to 1280x1024, how can I do it? Appreciate your help...
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06:26	<bulletxt> hi, where is the ltsp.conf located?
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06:36	<vmlintu> bulletxt: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf on the server
06:36	bulletxt: on ubuntu, that is
06:37	<bulletxt> vmlintu: i dont have the file, is it normal?
06:37	<vmlintu> bulletxt: you need to create it yourself
06:38	bulletxt: in many cases the thin clients work fine without it
06:38	<bulletxt> vmlintu: its because I have to add localapps menu flag to true
06:39	<vmlintu> bulletxt: you can just create the file yourself
06:39	<bulletxt> if I create an empty file, what happens to default settings? I suppose they stay default unless specified , right?
06:40	<art> Hi vmlintu would you happen to know how to force a monitor to use 1280x1024 in lts.conf? I'm not getting a right resolution
06:40	Yes bulletxt
06:40	<bulletxt> ok thanks
06:40	<art> I'm experimenting with lts.conf myself
06:40	<bulletxt> after I create the file, do I have to do some command?
06:40	<vmlintu> art: which distro are you using?
06:41	<art> no, just edit/make this file: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
06:41	Im using 9.04 JJ
06:41	<bulletxt> art: ok , then there is no need to do update image command or anything similar, thanks
06:41	<art> alkisg said I should do X_HORZSYNC = 60 but it only is for 1280x960
06:42	yes
06:42	that's right
06:42	<alkisg> art: I said you needed something like X_HORZSYNC=60-90
06:42	You should look the exact timings for your monitor specs
06:43	<vmlintu> art: have you checked x.org's logfile to see why it doesn't use bigger resolution?
06:43	<art> Oh hi alkisg, I did that and changed to different sets I tried 60, 75, and now 50 - but they're not autodetected, thanks for that help by the way
06:43	Um, can you tell me where that is?
06:44	Thanks
06:44	<alkisg> art, for 1280 you should need something like 101 KHz, not 60...
06:44	Look in the monitor manual
06:44	<vmlintu> art: it's under /var/log/, Xorg.0.log / Xorg.6.log / Xorg.7.org or something similar if I remember correctly
06:45	<alkisg> art, try with the following lines in your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf :
06:45	[Default]
06:45	X_HORZSYNC=30-101
06:45	X_VERTREFRESH=60-75
06:46	XRANDR_MODE_0=1280x1024 (or whatever else you need here)
06:46	Put those, and reboot the client, and see if the resolution has changed.
06:47	<art> Yes, I'm looking for the manual now.
06:47	ok tnx vmlintu
06:47	Ok, I'll put them!
06:48	* alkisg gotta leave again, bbl... :)
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06:49	<art> Oh it worked! Thank you so much alkisg!
06:49	Thank you so much!
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06:56	<bulletxt> if i do sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install gimp , it says it can't find gimp
06:56	but gimp package does exist on ubuntu
06:56	<art> Thank you alkisg!
06:56	Owe you one
06:58	Have you sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
06:58	<bulletxt> no
06:58	do I have to do it?
06:58	<art> Yes, I think you should follow the guide, I'll look for it, wait
06:58	<bulletxt> thanks
06:59	art oh nvm
06:59	I just had to do chroot apt-get update
06:59	and now it finds gimp
06:59	:)
06:59	<art> Ok, but I think you need some wiki guidance still...
06:59	<bulletxt> yea sure
06:59	<art> It'll help you a lot in the future
07:00	If you've time, try to read and experiment with these wikis https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
07:00	<bulletxt> thanks ill bookmark it
07:01	<art> Great! So that when johnny, alkisg, Gadi, nubae, sbae, and a lot more, would find your context more meaningful :), I'm so thankful for these guys
07:01	<bulletxt> ok good, installed gimp in chroot and now in opt ltsp usr bin there is gimp
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07:03	<art> There's a proper way to install localapps - you need to follow it too, so you won't get into weird troubles, me, from my experience, and ask around here the hows and whys they work
07:03	:)
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07:05	<bulletxt> art ok :)
07:05	well all I did was set the flag app menu to true, and installed with chroot
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07:05	<bulletxt> ill try it later, hopefully it should be enough
07:13	<art> ok glad to help
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08:09	<africantiger> hello
08:10	has anyone solved the problem of tftp not connecting
08:10	<Gadi> that presumes a problem of tftp not connecting :)
08:11	<africantiger> yes
08:11	tftp cannot open connection
08:12	i don't know what else to try to resolve this issue
08:12	<Gadi> is your ltsp server doing dhcp and tftp?
08:13	<africantiger> dhcp is working
08:13	i don't know if tftp is working properly
08:14	<Gadi> type: sudo netstat -anp\|grep :69
08:14	do you get an answer?
08:14	<africantiger> netstat -apn \|grep ":69" returns all 0's
08:14	<Gadi> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 6702/inetd
08:14	like that?
08:15	<africantiger> yes except the 6702/inetd
08:15	<Gadi> what do you have instead?
08:15	<africantiger> it is 11318/in.tftpd
08:15	on a separate line
08:15	<Gadi> ah, that might be your problem
08:15	you are not running tftp out of inetd
08:15	what distro?
08:15	<africantiger> ubuntu 8.10
08:16	i have inetd.conf configured
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08:16	<Gadi> try this: sudo /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa stop
08:17	<africantiger> inetd.conf has the line
08:17	<Gadi> then: sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart
08:17	<africantiger> tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
08:17	<alkisg> art, did you manage to make it work?
08:19	<Gadi> africantiger: that looks good
08:19	try those two commands I wrote
08:19	and then run the netstat command again
08:20	<africantiger> no
08:20	same result from netstat
08:22	pgrep tftpd returns 11318
08:22	<Gadi> do: pkill -9 tftpd
08:22	(or sudo pkill -9 tftpd)
08:23	if you have no thin clients on, you should have no tftpd process
08:23	<africantiger> now netstat returns 6571/inetd
08:24	<Gadi> better
08:24	<africantiger> i will try to start a client now
08:25	no change
08:25	tftp ARP timeout
08:26	tftp cannot open connection
08:26	<Gadi> dpkg -l\|grep tftp
08:26	what tftp is installed?
08:27	<africantiger> tftpd-hpa
08:27	version 0.48-2.2
08:27	<Gadi> ok. try this
08:27	edit your inetd.conf
08:27	and add: -vvv as a flag to tftpd
08:28	then kill the tftpd process and restart inetd
08:28	reboot the client and check syslog
08:31	<africantiger> a lot of dhcp traffice in syslog
08:31	not tftpd messages
08:32	before the last attempt
08:33	there is a tftp msg in syslog
08:33	bind: Address already in use
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08:35	<africantiger> i put -vvv before the -s int tftp line in inetd.conf, is that correct?
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08:35	<Gadi> yes - the fact that it says the bind address is in use, means that you didnt kill off the daemon before restarting inetd
08:36	the daemon was still bound to port 69
08:36	you need to:
08:36	sudo pkill -9 tftpd
08:36	sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart
08:36	ps -efw\|grep tftpd
08:36	should return nothing
08:36	<africantiger> i did that
08:37	i will do it again
08:37	<Gadi> and: netstat -anp\|grep :69
08:37	should return inetd
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08:38	<\|bulletxt\|> after turning the appsmenu flag to true and install gimp with chroot, my clients menu dont have the ltsp-localapps in the menu
08:38	<africantiger> ah
08:38	xinetd.d/tftpd is running
08:38	<Gadi> there ya go
08:38	either uninstall xinetd
08:38	or don't use inetd
08:39	you cannot use both on the same system
08:39	<africantiger> to not use inetd, just remove the tftp line?
08:40	<Gadi> well, if you are going to use xinetd, I suggest you configure it like inetd
08:40	<africantiger> not sure how to remove xinetd
08:40	<Gadi> have a look at xinetd.d/tftpd and make sure it has the same flags as inetd had
08:40	<africantiger> tried apt-get remove xinetd
08:40	<Gadi> sudo apt-get remove xinetd
08:40	:)
08:43	<nicku> anybody know what could be wrong with my ltsp5. Everytime I try to reboot a client it says squashfs error and halts there.
08:43	if I use shutdown everything works fine
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08:46	<africantiger> taking some time trying to figure out how to remove xinetd
08:47	according to synaptic ist not installed
08:50	<Gadi> africantiger: try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall openbd-inetd
08:50	oops - openbsd-inetd
08:52	<\|bulletxt\|> what's the name of the xdg package I must install in order for it to make local apps menu flag change clients menu?
08:53	<africantiger> ok
08:53	i will try booting the client again
08:54	<vmlintu> nicku: Are you using karmic?
08:54	<africantiger> pgrep tftpd returns nothing
08:55	<vmlintu> nicku: I'm experiencing the same problem on karmic and seems to happen in at least three test environments over here..
08:56	<africantiger> Gadi: there not tftp activity in syslog
08:56	<alkisg> \|bulletxt\|: what do you have in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ?
08:57	<africantiger> the last log was at 9:19 today
08:57	<vmlintu> nicku: I haven't found bug reports in launchpad regarding this, so I'm preparing one right now
08:57	<africantiger> I just tried to boot the client (9:55)
08:57	<\|bulletxt\|> alkisg: LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
08:57	<cyberorg> Gadi, alkisg, you were spot on about goTo function in ltsp-cluster-control php code, i had to rename it in all places to get it working
08:58	last time i just changed in one file so it didn't work
08:58	* alkisg has no clue whatsoever about the ltsp-cluster code. Never even used it...
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08:58	<alkisg> \|bulletxt\|: can you upload your whole lts.conf to pastebot?
08:58	!pastebot
08:58	<ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
08:58	<cyberorg> alkisg, i know, but last week i pasted some errors :)
08:58	<\|bulletxt\|> alkisg: it's only that line, ubuntu 9.04
08:58	<alkisg> Ah, ok :)
08:59	\|bulletxt\|: you also need a [Default] on top of that
08:59	<\|bulletxt\|> alkisg: ok... I'll try that
08:59	<Gadi> africantiger: try removing xinetd (if you can) AND openbsd-inetd
09:00	then, install openbsd-inetd
09:00	your setup got screwed up when you installed xinetd at some point
09:00	<\|bulletxt\|> alkisg: does nbd-client and server package have to be installed?
09:00	<Gadi> dpkg -l\|grep inetd
09:00	to see the status of the inetd packages
09:00	<alkisg> \|bulletxt\|: not manually, they're taken care of as part of the ltsp installation
09:01	<\|bulletxt\|> alkisg: ok
09:01	<cyberorg> stgraber, just in case you followed the thread about goTo function error, please rename it to something else, it does not work on openSUSE 11.2 using php 5.3.0
09:01	thanks and 'night :)
09:02	<alkisg> 'night cyberorg :)
09:02	* Gadi waves to cyberorg
09:05	<africantiger> ok - i cry uncle
09:05	at this point i think i will remove ltsp-* and try again
09:07	could this be a dhcp problem?
09:07	<Gadi> africantiger: it is not ltsp
09:07	it is your tftp setup
09:07	try removing and purging all inetd and tftpd packages
09:07	<africantiger> i don't have xinetd on the server
09:08	i may have created /etc/xinetd.d/tftpd
09:08	i have removed /etc/xinetd.d
09:09	<\|bulletxt\|> alkisg: still, the menu is without ltsp-locacl apps
09:09	<africantiger> i have the following line in inetd.conf
09:09	<alkisg> \|bulletxt\|: what do you mean exactly?
09:10	\|bulletxt\|: first, upload your lts.conf to pastebot.ltsp.org
09:10	<africantiger> #<off># 9571 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/ldminfod
09:10	what is that?
09:10	<\|bulletxt\|> alkisg: I installed gimp with chroot, however in the clients menu of gnome it calls "gimp" and not "ltps-localap gimp"
09:10	<alkisg> \|bulletxt\|: and if you run ltsp-localapps gimp, it runs locally?
09:10	<\|bulletxt\|> yes
09:10	and its way faster
09:11	<nicku> vmlintu: yes i am using karmic.
09:11	<africantiger> and another one:
09:11	<alkisg> \|bulletxt\|: what does this give you? ls -lha /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/applications/gimp.desktop
09:12	<\|bulletxt\|> alkisg: from the client?
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09:12	<africantiger> #<off># netbios-ssn stream tcp nowait root /usr/tcpd /usr/sbin/smbd
09:12	<alkisg> \|bulletxt\|: either the client or the server, but not from a local client terminal
09:13	<\|bulletxt\|> alkisg: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
09:14	<alkisg> \|bulletxt\|: sit on a client, open a gnome-terminal. There, give: set \| grep -i xdg
09:14	What does this tell you?
09:14	<\|bulletxt\|> lets see
09:15	alkisg: i get 2 variables
09:15	the first is xdg_data_dirs
09:15	<alkisg> Paste them here...
09:15	(or in pastebot.ltsp.org)
09:16	<\|bulletxt\|> xdg_data_dirs=/tmp/ltsp-localapps-administrator etc
09:17	<alkisg> \|bulletxt\|: do you have a gimp.desktop file in that folder?
09:17	<\|bulletxt\|> let me see
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09:17	<\|bulletxt\|> alkisg: yea there is only gimp.desktop
09:18	<alkisg> OK. So doesn't that contain the proper `Exec=ltsp-localapps gimp` line?
09:19	<\|bulletxt\|> exactly
09:19	there is no ltsp-localapps on that line
09:20	I cant understand where's there problem
09:21	alkisg: this is my lts.conf: http://pastebin.com/m337bd6c
09:22	can it be because I'm loggin in with root account?
09:22	<Gadi> it shouldn't read ltsp-localapps
09:22	it should have an xset command
09:22	I believe
09:22	<alkisg> Right
09:22	<Gadi> (in the .desktop file)
09:23	<alkisg> xprop -set -command something like that
09:23	<\|bulletxt\|> yea
09:23	it has xprop -set etc
09:23	<alkisg> Then it's ok
09:23	That's the localapps line.
09:23	(ty Gadi :))
09:23	<Gadi> np
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09:23	<\|bulletxt\|> im not sure.... if I load it from terminal with ltsp-localapps it starts way faster. if i start it from menu it takes way more
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09:24	<Gadi> just glad nothing's changed since I coded it 1.5 yrs ago
09:24	:)
09:24	<alkisg> bulletxt: well, run it from the menus, and try ps -ef to see if it runs on the server or the client
09:25	<Gadi> also, the window should say: Gimp on <hostname>
09:25	<bulletxt> ok
09:25	<Gadi> I believe
09:25	<bulletxt> ok let me see
09:25	<africantiger> Gadi: should tftpd register in syslog or messages when trying to boot a client?
09:26	<Gadi> if you have the -vvv, it should dump stuff to syslog
09:26	<bulletxt> alkisg: how do I understand with ps -ef?
09:26	<alkisg> bulletxt: ps -ef \| grep gimp
09:27	<bulletxt> alkisg: ok , what should happen?
09:27	<alkisg> See if gimp is there...
09:27	<bulletxt> yes
09:27	its there
09:27	<alkisg> Not the "grep gimp" line
09:27	<bulletxt> yea lol
09:27	i know
09:27	the gimp process is there
09:27	<alkisg> ok
09:27	Where did you run this?
09:27	(the ps -ef)
09:27	<bulletxt> from the menu of gnome
09:27	oh
09:27	from the shell on the client
09:27	<alkisg> gnome-terminal? or local shell?
09:28	<bulletxt> alkisg: the client computer, the one that I want to start gimp as localapp
09:28	gnome-terminal
09:29	is something wrong
09:31	its not loading locally , right?
09:31	<alkisg> Yes if I understand you correctly, it isn't.
09:32	<bulletxt> what can be the problem
09:32	can it be that, Im loggin in with root account that is actually running on the server?
09:32	<africantiger> Gadi: that is not happening, not tftp msgs
09:33	<alkisg> bulletxt: could be. Try normally.
09:33	<bulletxt> alkisg: ok
09:33	<alkisg> africantiger: can you upload your /etc/inetd.conf to pastebot.ltsp.org ?
09:34	<africantiger> ok
09:35	<bulletxt> alkisg: yes finally......... that was the problem!
09:35	yay :)
09:36	<alkisg> bulletxt: yeah, logging in with the same user from multiple PCs can give a lot of problems :)
09:36	<bulletxt> :) im so happy now lol
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09:37	<ltsppbot> "africantiger" pasted "inetd.conf" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/589
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09:38	<alkisg> africantiger: and with that, what does `sudo netstat -nap \| grep :69` give you now?
09:38	<bart1> Hi Gadi! Thanks for the usb, now I can plug it effortlessly! Hi alkisg: thanks for fixing the problems with my display! Yes it worked, I was just about to go home a while ago so I didn't answer... Thank you owe you guys a lot!
09:39	<alkisg> bart1, yw :)
09:40	<ltsppbot> "africantiger" pasted "netstat output" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/590
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09:41	<alkisg> africantiger: well, it seems ok. Are you still having problems?
09:41	<africantiger> yes
09:41	<alkisg> What problems, exactly?
09:41	<africantiger> tftp ARP timeout
09:42	<alkisg> Try locally first, to ensure that the tftpd is ok
09:42	sudo apt-get install tftp-hpa
09:42	tftp localhost
09:42	<africantiger> tftp cannot open connection
09:42	<alkisg> bin
09:42	get ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
09:42	What do those give you?
09:43	<lucascoala> looks like that the tftp server is not running.
09:44	<africantiger> that message was from the client
09:44	<alkisg> Well, netstat says it is running
09:44	<africantiger> locally I am getting transfer timeout
09:44	<alkisg> At this point, it may well be a dhcp problem (wrong next-server)
09:44	<africantiger> next server is commented out
09:44	<alkisg> OK, if it doesn't work locally then it's a tftp problem :)
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09:46	<alkisg> africantiger: cat /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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09:48	<africantiger> no tftpd-hpa
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09:48	<africantiger> in /etc/default
09:48	<alkisg> africantiger: dpkg -l tftpd-hpa
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09:50	<africantiger> tftp localhost is working now after installing tftpd-hap
09:50	tftpd-hpa
09:50	<alkisg> africantiger: if it wasn't installed, then you may still have something to look for:
09:51	why didn't ltsp-server get uninstalled? it depends on tftpd-hpa afaik...
09:51	<africantiger> it was installed before
09:51	<alkisg> OK. So everything works now?
09:52	<ltsppbot> "africantiger" pasted "dpkg -l" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/591
09:52	<africantiger> i will try the client now
09:53	<alkisg> africantiger: well, you need to install the ltsp-server, it's uninstalled now...
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09:55	<africantiger> standalone?
09:56	do i need to rebuild the client environment?
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09:56	<alkisg> africantiger: if you have a standard 2 nic ltsp setup, yes, install ltsp-server-standalone
09:57	<africantiger> how does the server get started? I just installed it, but it is not running
09:57	<alkisg> Which server?
09:58	<africantiger> ltsp
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09:58	<alkisg> There's no "ltsp" service
09:58	<africantiger> ok
09:58	<alkisg> africantiger: do you have an image in /opt/ltsp/images ?
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10:00	<africantiger> still no go, maybe i should be debugging the ARP time message
10:00	<bart2> alkisg or anyone? can you help me with 1 more problem? When I setup a static ip, my clients would not boot, it says ADDRCONF eth0 link becomes ready - but when I just use the subnet setting in dhcpd.conf - it is going well. thanks!
10:00	<alkisg> (05:58:09 μμ) alkisg: africantiger: do you have an image in /opt/ltsp/images ?
10:00	<africantiger> yes
10:01	i386.img
10:01	<alkisg> OK. So, what exactly does the client tell you, when you try to boot it?
10:02	<africantiger> it shows client mac address
10:02	client ip address (hard coded in dhcpd.conf)
10:02	dhcp ip
10:02	PXE-11 ARP timeout
10:03	<alkisg> Ah, you also changed your dhcpd.conf? Please upload it to pastebot as well.
10:03	<africantiger> PXE-38 tftp cannot open connection
10:03	<ltsppbot> "africantiger" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/592
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10:04	<africantiger> i have another dhcp server running on the router
10:05	<alkisg> Then that's your problem
10:05	You can only have 1 dhcp server
10:05	(unless of course the ltsp clients are on a seperate subnet, different switch etc)
10:05	(==the typical setup)
10:05	<africantiger> they are on a different switch
10:05	different subnet -- no
10:06	meaning same ip pool (192.168.1.0 network)
10:06	<alkisg> Can the client contact the router directly?
10:06	Or is the client "behind" the ltsp server?
10:06	<africantiger> haven't got that far
10:06	the setup is router to server on eth0
10:06	<alkisg> I'm asking about cabling...
10:07	<africantiger> eth1 to switch
10:07	switch to client
10:07	pxe bootup sees 192.168.1.1 as the gateway which is the router
10:07	<alkisg> OK, so it can't get dhcp offers from the router
10:07	<africantiger> no
10:08	<alkisg> Can you remove the fixed address section temporarily, because I'm not sure if it works or not?
10:08	...and do: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart ?
10:09	<africantiger> finally something from tftp in syslog
10:09	RRQ from 127.0.0.1 filename ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
10:10	ok did that, will try booting again
10:12	client got leased ip 192.168.1.131 which is in the correct range but still no go
10:13	the RRQ is coming from localhost, is that correct?
10:13	<alkisg> wasn't that the local test that you did before?
10:13	<africantiger> oh
10:13	ok
10:13	<Gadi> africantiger: are eth0 and eth1 in the same subnet?
10:14	<africantiger> yes
10:14	<Gadi> if so, don't do that
10:14	<africantiger> not sure how to sethat up
10:14	<Gadi> your server will have no clue what interface to use
10:14	which interface goes to the clients and which to the rest of the network?
10:15	<ltsppbot> "africantiger" pasted "interfaces" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/593
10:15	<africantiger> eth1 goes to the clients
10:15	eth0 goes to the router
10:15	<Gadi> ok, so change the one that goes to the clients, to, say 192.168.0
10:15	<alkisg> (also change dhcpd.conf accordingly)
10:16	<Gadi> exactly
10:16	and restart networking and restart dhcp3-server
10:17	<africantiger> what do i do with option routers in dhcpd.conf?
10:17	<bart2> Hi Gadi, can you help me? When I setup a static ip on my clients, they won't boot, but if I allow them to use usual subnet, they boot... can it be fixed?
10:17	<lucascoala> edit the default listen interface in /etc/default/dhcp3-server is a good trick too
10:17	<bart2> thanks!
10:17	<Gadi> africantiger: set it to the server's eth1 address
10:18	bart2: real clients or virtual ones?
10:18	<bart2> real clients, the virtual ones are ok!
10:18	physical ones won't boot
10:18	only during static ip mode
10:19	<Gadi> when they fail, do they drop you into an initramfs> prompt?
10:19	<bart2> yes, most of the time, sometimes it's ARDCONF eth0 becomes ready
10:20	<Gadi> at the initramfs prompt, type: /sbin/ifconfig
10:20	and see if they got an IP
10:20	<bart2> not found
10:20	I have 2 dhcp like africantiger
10:20	but I turned off the dhcp by client filter,
10:21	there's no problem when subnet is as usual or dhcp ip -- also i saw that it's getting address from router
10:21	only in the start, I can see the ip being from my ltsp dhcp server
10:22	do i need to install 2 NICs? I heard that it should be the usual setup,
10:22	I found a guide in the help.ubuntu
10:22	<africantiger> that was the problem
10:22	client is booting
10:23	Thank you all for your patience
10:23	<bart2> I think I can do that, but will there be some future headaches if I dhcp auto my clients?
10:23	* Gadi is always patient when faced with an africantiger
10:23	<africantiger> :)
10:23	i am not running any programs yet, still trying to log in so almost there
10:23	thanks again
10:24	<bart2> yeah thanks too Gadi and the others!
10:24	<Gadi> africantiger: run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
10:25	you need to recreate the image with proper keys, as your IP changed
10:25	bart2: it sounds like maybe the router is assigning the IP on the static one rather than the ltsp server
10:26	<bart2> yes, that's it!
10:26	<Gadi> so, you say you blacklist the MAC addy in the router's DHCP, right?
10:26	<bart2> yes, through IP filter, I disallowed the port 67-68
10:27	<Gadi> well, it cannot be through an IP filter
10:27	<bart2> on the ip clients served by ltsp
10:27	<Gadi> since the client has no IP initially
10:27	<bart2> Oh I see...
10:27	<Gadi> the client makes 2 dhcp requests
10:27	first is a broadcast request by PXE
10:27	asking for an IP, and providing MAC address
10:28	second is a broadcast request by the initramfs
10:28	again, asking for IP, and providing MAC address
10:28	<bart2> Wow! It's so simple and clear! Thanks for the info!
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10:29	<Gadi> so, if you are going to tell the router to not listen to particular clients, it has to be by MAC
10:29	otherwise they fight to the death
10:29	:)
10:29	the first PXE request, gets not only an IP, but a filename to download
10:29	<bart2> And so they fight... :)
10:30	<alkisg> If the router is good enough to provide blacklisting, then why don't you just use this one instead of the ltsp server? :)
10:30	<Gadi> the second gets only IP
10:30	so, if the ltsp server wins round 1, the client may still boot if the router gets round 2
10:30	maybe
10:31	many cheap routers can blacklist by MAC - but not be able to provide filename
10:31	<alkisg> Really? wow...
10:31	<Gadi> yeah - especially wireless ones
10:32	so, you can reject/allow only certain clients
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10:32	<bart2> OK, that's nice. Can I use MAC filter and blacklist my thin clients in the router?
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10:33	<Gadi> should be able to
10:33	kind of a pain wrt administration
10:33	:)
10:34	<bart2> OK! so to sum it, 2 dhcp servers make it hard for newbies like me?
10:35	I just need to blacklist my MAC client
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10:35	<bart2> thank you for that info, a second to learn, a lifetime to master :)
10:36	Thank you Gadi and alkisg, you've been very patient with us! I think I need to do some more homework.
10:37	:)
10:37	<alkisg> bart2: the setup you have is not the usual setup, that's why you're having problems
10:37	If you had 2 nics, it'd be easier...
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10:37	<davidj> Gadi: Are you coming this weekend?
10:37	<bart2> OK, alkisg, is the 2 nic setup in help.ubuntu, reliable?
10:38	<alkisg> It's the recommented way to install an ltsp server.
10:38	(in all distros :))
10:38	<bart2> I'm planning to make it, ok thanks, you converted me! =)
10:40	<Gadi> davidj: afraid not :( , but I will drink with you over IRC
10:40	<bart2> alkisg: is this the guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT/
10:41	<alkisg> bart2: urm, no, basically you don't need a guide, it just works (tm)
10:41	<davidj> Gadi: Sorry to hear you can't make it. I just got my ducks in a row last week.
10:41	<alkisg> But if you really want a guide search for the quickinstall page in ubuntultsp
10:41	<davidj> Gadi: You're really good with networking, aren't you?
10:41	<Gadi> davidj: about as good as I am at plumbing
10:41	:)
10:42	<bart2> Oh, but I don't know where to start, all I know is I'm holding a nic right now... :)
10:42	<davidj> Gadi: I just got a phone call, with an email followup, asking if I could help them with their juan.
10:42	<Gadi> which is to say, I know when the fill valve needs replacing
10:42	:)
10:42	with their juan?
10:42	<davidj> Yes.
10:43	He said his boss told him to find someone to implement a juan for them.
10:43	<Gadi> what seems to be juan's problem?
10:43	INS?
10:43	lol
10:43	<davidj> Just to be certain I understood, he emailed me.
10:43	<Gadi> just remind him, that LTSP doesn't boot over a juan
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10:44	<davidj> Totally serious. I managed not to laugh until I got off the phone, but just barely.
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10:45	<davidj> Thought you'd get a smile at that one.
10:45	Gadi: If you've got 10 minutes, I'd like to chat on the telephone.
10:47	<Gadi> sure
10:47	<bart2> Hey Gadi or alkisg, I already managed to burn a DVD on a thin client! thanks guys! But when I launch it in the thin client, will it auto launch the Gnomebaker as local app??
10:48	or do I need to ltsp-localapp xterm then gnomebaker?
10:48	everytime?
10:48	I already put these in my lts.conf LOCAL_APPS = True
10:48	LOCAL_APPS_MENU = True
10:48	LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS = gnomebaker, mplayer
10:48	LDM_DIRECTX = True
10:49	Or anyone... thanks!
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10:55	<bart2> Hey Gadi, it turns out I don't have advanced MAC Filtering as you said, if I filter my thin client MAC, it doesn't even get an IP from both ltsp and router at the PXE point
10:56	Damn, but it's okay, I appreciate your help, and making it clear, I think I can carry on from here...
10:57	Thanks for sharing your time and talent. Now I can sleep early.
10:58	<bulletxt> I installed firefox with chroot, however it wont start as local app even if i manually type ltsp-localapps firefox. any suggestions?
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11:04	<bulletxt> after installing something with chroot, do i have to run some command?
11:04	like rebuild the image
11:05	<bart2> yes, you need to rebuild it!
11:05	<bulletxt> ok+
11:06	lol... thats why it's not working :)
11:06	<bart2> I do it all the time just to make sure!
11:06	<bulletxt> bart2: sudo ltsp-update-image , right?
11:06	<bart2> also it's stated in the wiki
11:06	yeah
11:06	<bulletxt> ok
11:06	<bart2> -a i386
11:06	<bulletxt> thanka bart2
11:06	why that?
11:07	<bart2> to choose an architecture we add "-a"
11:07	<bulletxt> if i dont put that, what happens?
11:07	<bart2> ltsp-update-image -a amd64
11:07	ltsp-update-image -a amd64_w_localapps
11:07	ltsp-update-image -a etc...
11:07	<bulletxt> it is important?
11:08	<bart2> When you don't put it it defaults to i386
11:08	you can see it in the line that follows, updating i386 something like that...
11:09	I do this because I have multiple architectures for testing purposes
11:09	<bulletxt> ok so, when would I want it to be amd64?
11:09	<bart2> I'm using Jaunty 9.04 64bit so when I ltsp-build-image mine was amd64 not i386
11:10	amd64 is if you have dual core or higher 64 bit clients,
11:11	but I would stay clear from using amd64 to your clients, I banged my head so much against the wall by using 64bit on my clients, im happy with i386
11:11	no problems there
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11:12	<bart2> hope to help
11:15	Hey bulletxt gotta go, for more info: pls. read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP , it will make you a better LTSPer (for Ubuntu only), thanks too Gadi! and alkisg! IGood night!
11:16	<alkisg> Bye bart2 :)
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11:32	<johnny> which was the first ubuntu with the whitelist?
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11:37	<bulletxt> is it possible to make wine run as local app
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11:49	<_UsUrPeR__> morning all
11:49	sbalneav: ping?!?!
11:53	<sbalneav> _UsUrPeR__: Hello
11:53	What's up?
11:56	<_UsUrPeR__> sbalneav: hey. working with sabayon right now, and having an interesting issue with applying profiles to clients
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11:56	<_UsUrPeR__> sbalneav: where does sabayon store it's profile prior to applying it to a user?
11:57	<sbalneav> /etc/desktop-profiles
11:57	they should be all in .zip files
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11:58	<_UsUrPeR__> sbalneav: ok. If I am synching multiple servers, do I have to have sabayon installed on each server, or can I somehow rsync the files to each server?
11:59	<sbalneav> Well, you'll need sabayon installed on each server
11:59	and you'll have to make sure /etc/desktop-profiles is th saem on them all
11:59	both profiles and the "users.xml" file.
11:59	<_UsUrPeR__> I'll probably nfs mount
12:00	<sbalneav> I haven't played with it yet, but sabayo DOES suppot ldap profile applies
12:00	so you could store the profiles on a web server, and store the apply rules in LDAP
12:00	<johnny> or pull the profiles over http.
12:00	<sbalneav> I have patches that I'm waiting to connect with Federico upstream that add group-apply semantics.
12:01	<_UsUrPeR__> I can tell you right now that it does work with ldap
12:01	<sbalneav> johnny: yeah, profiles come over http.
12:01	_UsUrPeR__: Have you actually added the sabayon schema? or are you just applying profiles to users IN ldap?
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12:02	<sbalneav> because the "users.xml" part can actually be handled out of ldap as well.
12:02	<_UsUrPeR__> sbalneav: we have not added a schema
12:04	<sbalneav> _UsUrPeR__: ok, so you're not using the ldap support directly within sabayon.
12:04	I need to re-do all the documentation in sabayon.
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12:04	<sbalneav> once I get the group-apply code integrated upstream, then I'm going to attack docs next.
12:05	<_UsUrPeR__> sbalneav: correct. We are applying independently at the moment. It appears to be doing it's job quite well. There was a moment of confusion this morning around the question I just asked you
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12:05	<sbalneav> Well, nice to know I've managed to take it from "nonfunctional" to "doing it's job quite well" :)
12:06	<johnny> of course.. it will help when all apps use the proper xdg directories :(
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12:06	<sbalneav> Yeah, that would make sabayon's job a lot easier. :)
12:07	<johnny> even evo doesn't :( yet.
12:07	hopefully that comes in gnome 2.30 or 3.0
12:07	whichever one they do next..
12:08	they've already stripped it of bonobo usage which was a huge step..
12:08	<sbalneav> Bonobo's going away entirely, isn't it?
12:08	<johnny> evo actually had a shorter devel cycle this release, because they wanted to spend more time doing that
12:08	yes.. completely :)
12:08	the first cut was finished in mid september
12:09	for evo that is..
12:09	<sbalneav> as well as gconf. Which frightens me, as that's going to have HUGE repercussions for sabayon.
12:09	<johnny> sbalneav, from reading about it.. it sounds like it will be easier to manage
12:10	ryan lortie seems like the goto guy if you want to know more
12:10	desrt i think is his nick
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12:12	<sbalneav> johnny: thanks!
12:13	<johnny> he's working on dconf.. and one of the people working on gsettings and the like
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12:15	<johnny> hmm.. perhaps ltsp group should have a meeting with david zeuthan and other related characters
12:15	on helping us solve our dbus issues in a way that is potentially applicable to upstream
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12:33	<johnny> which was the first ubuntu version to come with the local apps thing and the whitelist?
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12:34	<sbalneav> johnny: I'd say jaunty
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12:43	<sbalneav> w
12:44	whoops
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12:50	<kusznir> So, I've got an ubuntu-based ltsp system working decently now. Unfortunately, one of our core apps (homegrown) isn't working well enough for some here. It appears the problem surrounds the batching of screen redraws.
12:51	We have an app that's a 2d visualizer of our data collection. It has a background image with specific places that red dots are drawn. The problem is that when there's a lot of activity, the ltsp terminal will batch several of these sensor events together in one refresh.
12:53	The problem is, the ordering of these dots are important, and when 5 get redrawn at once, the result is considered useless.
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12:53	<kusznir> Running this program on the local machine does not have this issue, only on the thin clients. The program is our own python code.
12:53	<alkisg> kusznir: distro/version ?
12:54	Uh, version? :)
12:54	<kusznir> Is there some way to correct this? (I'm told the program is too cpu-intensive to run as a local app, and in any case, the dependencies are a pain)
12:54	Ubuntu 9.04 + ltsp from the repos. Devin IT TC5 client.
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12:54	<alkisg> kusznir: which repos? did you put stgraber's repo?
12:54	<stgraber> sbalneav: at Jim's or still in Canada ?
12:54	<alkisg> (for the xlib patch)
12:55	<kusznir> I just did a standard ubuntu install, then did apt-get install ltsp-server
12:55	<alkisg> !stgraber-ppa
12:55	<ltspbot> alkisg: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
12:55	<alkisg> kusznir: install the updated xlib packages from there ^^^
12:55	<stgraber> funny, I don't have an alias in the bot but my PPA does ;)
12:55	<alkisg> Heh, it's more famous than you! :D
12:56	(well, you happen to start from an "s", and it's already taken... )
12:56	<kusznir> Ok...So is that a server-side-only patch, or does it effect both?
12:56	<alkisg> server side only
12:56	It causes the delays you're talking about
12:57	It was fixed upstream for 9.10 afaik, but for 9.04 you need the ppa packages
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12:59	<kusznir> alkisg stgraber: aparently I don't know how to add/use ppa. I tried editing /etc/sources and added a "deb <URL>" line, but apt doesn't like it.
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12:59	<kusznir> (I'm a centos/gentoo guy normally, little ubuntu-specific experience)
12:59	<alkisg> kusznir: if you add the whole ppa, you'll also take the updated ltsp packages
13:00	<kusznir> Ok...I don't really even know what a ppa is, although I gather its something like a "personal package archive" or something.
13:00	I also don't see any xlib stuff listed.
13:00	<alkisg> If you're ok with that, one really quick way to do it is:
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13:01	<alkisg> It's the libxcb package that you want
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13:07	<Lns> Gadi: have you had any feedback re: your ppa libX11 for hardy?
13:08	<johnny> the new ubuntu release is soon right?
13:08	:)
13:08	i feel like they chat with the late october release and calling it .10
13:08	they should just call it .11..
13:08	big liars
13:08	hehe
13:08	s/chat/cheat/
13:08	<Lns> yeah who do they think they are, i'm not not paying for this for nothing!
13:09	=p
13:09	<africantiger> where and how do I add client users?
13:09	<johnny> on the server
13:09	Lns, hey.. we do pay.. with our time and energy
13:09	we are the people who make ubuntu an actual project, not just a product
13:10	<Lns> and that's how things get done!
13:10	so apparently we need more people / more quality work for things to get done when you expect them to
13:10	<africantiger> I did a useradd username on the server and i cannot login with the username and password that I added
13:10	* Lns points the finter at johnny
13:10	<Lns> finger* "YOU!"
13:10	<johnny> Lns, i have looked for jobs at canonical..
13:10	nothin fun for me
13:10	<Lns> jobs schmobs
13:10	<johnny> much too advanced :)
13:11	<Lns> africantiger: what does it say when you try?
13:11	<africantiger> veriying password until it eventually goes to a black screen
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13:12	<africantiger> never authenticates
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13:24	<Lns> africantiger: hmm. try removing the user and use 'adduser'
13:25	<africantiger> ok
13:25	<alkisg> africantiger: and you're able to login as some other user? Or you always get the same message?
13:26	<Gadi> yeah, useradd by itself does not create a home directory
13:26	<africantiger> always get the same message
13:26	<alkisg> africantiger: then maybe you need `sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys` and `sudo ltsp-update-image` ...
13:27	<Gadi> africantiger: ls /home/<user>
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13:27	<africantiger> no such file or dir
13:27	<Gadi> yeah, hard to get a desktop with no home directory
13:27	<asmok> Good evening
13:28	<Gadi> adduser will create home directories for you, I believe
13:29	<Guest42254> i always liked using superadduser :)
13:30	<kusznir> alkisg: which libxcb package? There's 1.1.93-0ubuntu4, 1.1-1.1ubuntu1 and 1.1-1ubuntu2
13:30	<alkisg> Using the GUI (=users-admin) is also a good & simple way :)
13:30	kusznir: the one for your version, jaunty I believe?
13:30	<kusznir> 9.04. What does that map to in these other versioning?
13:30	<alkisg> It writes the version in the side
13:31	<kusznir> Umm..ubuntu1, ubuntu2 or ubuntu4? I don't know how to map 9.04 to one of those...
13:31	<alkisg> 9.04 = jaunty
13:31	<africantiger> receiving login incorrect when I try to login with the newly created user
13:31	<kusznir> Ok, so does 9.04/jaunty equal ubuntu4, ubuntu1, or ubuntu2?
13:32	<alkisg> kusznir: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa => Overview of all packages published in Jaunty
13:32	And it only shows the packages for your ubuntu version
13:32	<asmok> How about Phonon/KDE4 - is it possible to get sound work - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/453014 - stgraber says about ltsp-cluster: "We currently recommend running Gnome on the application server side as we have observed some regression using KDE4 with LTSP"
13:32	<kusznir> Ok. In that listing, there are three different libxcb's. One ends in ubuntu1, one in ubuntu4, and one in ubuntu2....which one of those is the one that I need?
13:32	<alkisg> africantiger: try with the 2 commands I said above
13:32	kusznir: no, there aren't. there's only one
13:33	<stgraber> asmok: sound works with Karmic, doesn't with Jaunty
13:33	<asmok> I made Kubuntu application server for ltsp-cluster and there is no sound, indeed - http://www.arkki.info/howto/Wiki/LTSP5-Testausta/Kubuntu_TC_01.png
13:33	<alkisg> kusznir: again: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa and verify that the drop down menu (=combo box) has jaunty selected
13:33	<kusznir> alkisg: I'm looking at in in Firefox 3.0.13, and there's 3 different of most listed.
13:33	<asmok> I did use Kubuntu Karmic Alternate Daily, this day
13:34	<kusznir> ahh...didn't know about the filter box. Trying that now.
13:36	<asmok> stgraber: Have you seen that bug rapport about Amarok? You say sound should work?
13:36	<kusznir> And aparently I can't actually get any packages from that site, now that I know which to get...There doesn't seem to be anything clickable except the name of the uploader. I don't see any way to download packages...
13:37	<alkisg> kusznir: you may also ask in #launchpad for launchpad help. To get the packages, you either put it in you sources, or click on "package details"
13:38	<africantiger> alkisg: the ltsp-update-sshkeys is taking a long time to complete, is that normal?
13:38	<alkisg> No, it should be instant
13:38	<asmok> stgraber: Is these pckages all what I need: phonon-backend-gstreamer / gnome-media
13:40	<africantiger> finally
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13:41	<Gadi> kusznir: a ppa is just another repository. Once you add it to your sources.list, simply: sudo apt-get update (to update the cache of packages) and then sudo apt-get install libxcb
13:41	<kusznir> Gadi: I tried to do that, but apt-get complained when I added it that it was invalid.
13:43	<Gadi> kusznir: then, perhaps you added it wrong
13:43	<kusznir> Gadi: E: Malformed line 56 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
13:44	<Gadi> remove the line you added, and simply place a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ call it, say, stgraber-ppa.list
13:44	in that file, add the entire line that begins with "deb" from that webpage
13:46	<kusznir> Gadi: I don't see any line beginning with "deb" at the webpage...
13:46	<africantiger> yeah success! I can login and see a desktop. Whoooopeeee!
13:46	<kusznir> Ahh..they hide it...its in the page source, though!
13:48	When I try to sudo apt-get install libxcb, it claims "E: Couldn't find package libxcb"
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13:49	<Gadi> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/stgraber/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
13:49	kusznir: thats what you needed to add
13:50	<kusznir> Gadi: Thanks. I added it, ran apt-get update, then apt-get install libxcb, and it comes back with the can't find error again.
13:51	<Gadi> apt-cache search libxcb
13:51	try that
13:51	<asmok> stgraber: I'll try to install phonon-backend-gstreamer / gnome-media to the Kubuntu apllication server and see what happens - I'll be back later - bye
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13:52	<kusznir> Gadi: that put out a whole bunch of lines, each stating with libxcb.
13:53	(but many ending in something else)
13:53	<tstafford> did the ltsp-remoteapp feature make it into karmic?
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13:55	<Gadi> kusznir: try: apt-get install libxcb1
13:55	seems that is the binary package name
13:56	<kusznir> Ok, got it. Thanks!
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14:02	<bieb> cliebow: hows it going?
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14:11	<cliebow> bieb, ohhh busy out and around..
14:11	we gonna see you thursday?
14:12	<Guest42254> what is to be discussed at bts this time?
14:12	<bieb> cliebow: I will be there
14:12	<cliebow> there are notes on wiki/ltsp.org
14:12	Guest42254, check the wiki..
14:12	<bieb> cliebow: is there a gathering Thurs night?
14:13	<cliebow> i am sure there will be..
14:13	<Guest42254> is it updated?
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14:13	<cliebow> prob not...
14:13	<johnny> that is why i'm asking :)
14:13	!bts
14:13	<ltspbot> johnny: "bts" is LTSP By The Sea 2008: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2008
14:14	<cliebow> itttttssss Johny!!!
14:15	i am sure jammcq has some plans..
14:15	<bieb> LOL... ltspbot is giving last years conference
14:15	<johnny> ah.. i was hoping to see dbus on the menu.. but we probably need to talk to the dbus/policykit people directly before more discussion
14:15	<cliebow> frigging fire alarm...
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14:20	<kusznir> alkisg: So I got the new libxcb1 installed on the server, logged out and back in, but the problem remains..any other suggestions?
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14:20	* vagrantc suspects simply swapping out 2008 for 2009 would likely work
14:21	<asmok> back again - I'm now in Kubuntu application server in ltsp-cluster sustem - I booted TC (HP Mini 2133) - I have not yset installed anything extra - Amarok rocks nicely, but in server side - so I now install those Gnome/GStreamer-packages and try to do something
14:22	<alkisg> kusznir: so what version do you have now? dpkg -l libxcb1
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14:22	<kusznir> alkisg: 1.1.93-0ubuntu4
14:24	<johnny> vagrantc, yes it does
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14:24	<johnny> vagrantc, i just don't remember how to update the link..
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14:24	<vagrantc> ltspbot: forget bts
14:24	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
14:25	<vagrantc> ltspbot: learn bts as LTSP By The Sea 2009: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
14:25	<ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
14:25	<vagrantc> !bts
14:25	<ltspbot> vagrantc: "bts" is LTSP By The Sea 2009: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
14:25	<vagrantc> though maybe there should just be a standing BTS link that references all the upcoming and historical bts's
14:25	<alkisg> kusznir: OK. I'm not sure if logging out the client will do it. In any case, this patched libxcb solves this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/277069 - which is about X latency. I don't know of any other X-latency related bugs.
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14:26	<vagrantc> maybe keep an "events" page, which covers non-bts but LTSP related events
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14:44	<bulletxt> does someone know if this is needed? sudo ln -s ltsp/i386/lts.conf /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf
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14:47	<vagrantc> bulletxt: if you're doing weird things with DHCP, possible.
14:47	the best way of finding out is testing.
14:47	<bulletxt> I'm not, im just trying to make localapps be in gnome's menu
14:47	I made the apps menu flag true
14:47	<asmok> so installed those two packages and run gstreamer-properties as user 'ltsp001' on server side - now my TC boots...
14:48	<bulletxt> vagrantc: installed gimp with chroot, but still the clients menu will start gimp on the server
14:49	<vagrantc> bulletxt: log in to the server from the thin-clients and: echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
14:49	bulletxt: should be something with /tmp/ in it
14:49	<bulletxt> ok let me see
14:49	vagrantc: if from a client I do : ltsp-localapps gimp it will start gimp locally
14:50	but in the menu it will start it on server
14:50	<vagrantc> bulletxt: are you asking, or telling?
14:50	<bulletxt> im telling
14:50	<vagrantc> sounds like LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true isn't kicking in.
14:50	do other changes to lts.conf get noticed?
14:51	<bulletxt> vagrantc: the only thing in that file is LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true
14:52	<asmok> well, there is no sound - no sound in server side or thin client side - but Amarok rocks with Bo Dylan (radioparadise.com)
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14:53	<vagrantc> bulletxt: set SCREEN_07=shell and see if it stops LDM from starting
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14:53	<bulletxt> vagrantc: where do I put that?
14:53	<vagrantc> bulletxt: in lts.conf
14:54	bulletxt: you have a [Default] section?
14:54	<bulletxt> vagrantc: yea
14:54	<alkisg> bulletxt: run: ltsp-localapps xterm, and in that xterm, run: getltscfg -a
14:54	<bulletxt> ok
14:54	alkisg: is gnome-terminal also fine?
14:55	* vagrantc has to disappear
14:55	<alkisg> vagrantc: bulletxt yesterday said that he had the correct desktop file
14:55	<bulletxt> alkisg: im on another server now... and it's not working
14:55	<alkisg> in /tmp/ltsp-localapp-something dir, but it wasn't in the menus or something...
14:55	<bulletxt> to be more correct, the menu is not working
14:56	<alkisg> What menu?
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14:56	<bulletxt> alkisg: gnome's menu of the client
14:56	<alkisg> Is the client frozen?
14:56	<bulletxt> the files I installed to be local arent set correctly in the menu of the client
14:56	it's as if the apps menu flag is getting ignored
14:57	<asmok> bulletxt: There is good collection of howtos about ltsp-localapps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP#LTSP-Specific Configurations
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14:57	<bulletxt> ok asmok
14:57	<alkisg> bulletxt: can you run gnome-terminal on the client?
14:57	<bulletxt> ill read that and see if it fixes my problem
14:57	alkisg: yes
14:57	alkisg: but it wil start it on the server, is it the same?
14:57	<alkisg> well, do that, and run the commands I said above...
14:58	(10:53:55 μμ) alkisg: bulletxt: run: ltsp-localapps xterm, and in that xterm, run: getltscfg -a
14:58	<bulletxt> ok
14:58	<asmok> I think i'm done here - good night
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14:58	<bulletxt> night
14:59	alkisg: ok this might be crazy but, is LOCAL_APPS=True and LOCAL_APPS=true the same?
14:59	<alkisg> yes
14:59	<bulletxt> ok
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15:00	<johnny> the important thing is that LOCAL_APPS=True and LOCAL_APPS = True aren't the same in at least some older versions of ltsp
15:04	<cliebow> GAdi:i have a script that opens a socket sends a dhcpdiscover..the server sends a perfectly good dhcp offer....i then see an icmp destination unreachable..and no capture by netdhcp:packet..
15:08	<alkisg> cliebow: the icmp is because the server has to ping the IP it offers to verify that it's available
15:09	<cliebow> that wouldnt be on 68 as an tcp packet of course..
15:09	that icmp is a new one on me
15:09	<alkisg> What are you trying to do, if you don't mind me asking?
15:10	<cliebow> ohh way ot..but just trying to automate a dhcp check in an environment where dhcp has been flaky
15:11	<alkisg> cliebow: and why don't you use e.g. ipconfig -n eth0?
15:11	<cliebow> i got no love from your earlier suggestions..and am making it up as i go along
15:12	IP-Config: eth0 hardware address 00:02:b3:1b:da:82 mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
15:13	this is output of your recommendation
15:14	this machine btw has a static address
15:14	<ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "ipconfig -n output" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/594
15:14	<alkisg> cliebow: I'm talking about this ^^
15:14	<cliebow> cool!
15:14	<alkisg> cliebow: it shouldn't matter if it has a static ip or not
15:15	Just make sure that you use the klibc ipconfig, and that you have the necessary rights (e.g. sudo for ubuntu)
15:16	-t <secs> is a failsafe, to make sure it stops sometime
15:16	<cliebow> yes..what i posted was the output of blah/blah/ipconfig -n eth0
15:16	ohhhhh
15:16	<alkisg> (ugh but they should probably go before the nic :P)
15:16	<cliebow> ahhh
15:16	my outside interface is eth1
15:16	!
15:16	<kusznir> Quick question: how do I specify a screen that would do an X -query on another server (i.e., an XDMCP login to a box that is DIFFERENT than the ltsp server)?
15:17	<alkisg> cliebow: so, a slightly better one: if sudo /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -t 10 -n eth1; then echo ok; fi
15:17	<Gadi> kusznir: try: xdmcp -query <IP>
15:18	er, SCREEN_07 = "xdmcp -query <ip>"
15:18	<cliebow> yes.. isee what you are up to..
15:18	<kusznir> Gadi: so it would be SCREEN_02 = xdmcp -query <ip> in lts.conf?
15:18	<Gadi> with quotes
15:18	yes
15:18	<kusznir> Gadi: got it, thanks!
15:18	<Gadi> if xdmcp doesnt work, try startx (we changed the name of the screen script at some point, I think)
15:19	<alkisg> Gdm in Karmic no longer supports xdmcp at all... :(
15:19	<Gadi> really?
15:19	<alkisg> Yup.
15:20	<Gadi> world's a changin
15:20	<cliebow> alkisg: let me play with that some more..many thanks...
15:20	<alkisg> np
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15:28	<nicku> anybody know how to get the reboot working on ltsp5
15:28	ltsp5 on ubuntu 9.10
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15:35	<bulletxt> if I change something in lts.conf, do I have to rebuild the image or restart something?
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15:36	<nicku> bulletxt: i don't think you need
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15:39	<bulletxt> are you sure? if I set local-appse=false they start the same if i do ltsp-localapps gimp
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15:41	<nicku> bulletxt: quite sure. you don't want apps to run locally?
15:42	<bulletxt> nicku: im just trying to test if ltsp is actually reading my lst.conf file
15:43	because as of now, its ignoring my local apps menu = true
15:43	actually, I just set localapps= false and it continues to load locally
15:43	its not reading the lst.conf file..
15:43	<vagrantc> if it's setting the $XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable, it's not ignoring your lts.conf options.
15:44	well, if that's set and including /tmp/localapps
15:45	<bulletxt> I set localapps=false, and still I can load apps locally with ltsp-localapps gimp
15:45	it must be ignoring the lst.conf file
15:46	ill be back in a while and test again
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15:48	<nicku> btw. If localapps is set can it run all apps locally or only those installed in the chroot
15:49	<johnny> only installed in chroot
15:50	<Gadi> bulletxt: it must be: LOCAL_APPS = False
15:50	in lts.conf
15:50	case of variables and proper spelling count
15:52	<nicku> I have a ltsp cluster set up and it makes the lts conf through the web interface. Where does it save it ? to the postgre database ?
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15:54	<johnny> Gadi, i odn't think it does right with SOMETHING = SOMETHING
15:54	pretty sure at least some versions of getltscfg don't handle SOMETHING = SOMETHING only SOMETHING=SOMETHING
15:54	<Gadi> no - getltscfg since before ltsp5 handles spaces
15:55	what it doesn't like are multi-word values without quotes
15:55	like: var = a b c d
15:55	is bad
15:55	but, var = "a b c d"
15:55	is good
15:59	<johnny> i'm pretty sure i saw people in this room have a problem with the =
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16:07	<bulletxt> Gadi: someone says LOCAL_APPS = False. other say LOCAL_APPS=false , im getting crazy :)
16:09	<Gadi> those two are equivalent
16:09	our boolean function will handle true/false/yes/no no matter what the case
16:12	you just cant do: local_apps = False
16:12	because the variable must be: LOCAL_APPS
16:12	in caps
16:12	<bulletxt> ok brb
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16:26	<zamba> anyone familiar with ulteo?
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16:30	<bulletxt> since it seems var lib .. lts.conf is being ignored, what if I force the lsf.conf in /opt/ltsp etc ?
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16:33	<Gadi> bulletxt: there are only 2 reasons that I know of why it might be ignored
16:33	<bulletxt> Gadi: explain please :)
16:34	<Gadi> 1. it doesn't get downloaded (if you are using alkisg's dnsmasq stuff, it is because you need to copy it to /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf - because his dnsmasq thing doesn't supply the filename)
16:34	<bulletxt> Gadi: is it enough if its linked? cause I linked it
16:34	<Gadi> 2. there is a syntax error in the file - which will cause it to not be read at all
16:35	linking should be fine, i think
16:35	in either case, if you create a root password for the chroot, you can log into the tty1 on the client
16:35	and check things from there
16:36	you can do that with: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
16:36	passwd -u root
16:36	<bulletxt> ok i'll try copying it instead of linking, this is my lst.conf : http://pastebin.com/m2e91c7ea
16:36	<Gadi> passwd
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16:37	<bulletxt> brb
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16:37	<Gadi> bulletxt: that looks fine.
16:37	if you add: SCREEN_02=shell
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16:37	<Gadi> and: SCREEN_07=ldm
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16:38	<Gadi> you will know it is read if you get a shell on ctrl-alt-f2
16:39	<bulletxt> ok just a sec
16:39	is the file named: lts.conf or ltsp.conf
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16:40	<bulletxt> ok now I copied the file instead of linking
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16:42	<bulletxt> ok i copied the file and set localapps to be false, and finally it wont' start gimp if I do ltsp-localapps gimp
16:42	now I'll enable it and enable localapps menu thing and see if it updates the clients meu
16:42	*menu
16:44	Gadi: if I edit lts.conf, is a reboot required? a rebuild or any service reboot?
16:44	<Gadi> nope
16:44	<bulletxt> ok
16:44	<Gadi> thats why it lives in the tftpboot dir
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16:44	<Gadi> so it will be grabbed on the fly by tftp
16:45	<johnny> Gadi, on the fly?
16:45	seems like you still need to reboot if you change the settings
16:45	reboot the client that is..
16:45	<bulletxt> Gadi: ok, now I put local apps = true and I can load locally the app with ltsp-localapps gimp, however LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true is not working
16:45	johnny: yea only the client I rebooted
16:45	<Gadi> I consider a booted thin client to no longer be in flight ;)
16:46	<bulletxt> so my problem now is: LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true is not working
16:46	<johnny> bulletxt, there is a way around without rebooting..
16:46	getltscfg manually.. and then mapping it to the env vars
16:46	but it's easier to just reboot
16:46	<Gadi> bulletxt: you are not logging in as the same user in 2 places, are you?
16:46	<bulletxt> Gadi: nope
16:47	oh wait,
16:47	<Gadi> ok, and when you open gnome-terminal and type: env\|grep XDG
16:47	<bulletxt> openoffice in the menu starts it locally, but not firefox and gimp
16:47	<Gadi> what does it say?
16:47	<bulletxt> should I reinstall them?
16:47	ok let me see
16:48	Gadi: XDG_DATA_DIRS=/tmp/ltsp-localapps-utente1-SYbKtE/:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/
16:48	<Gadi> cool. now: ls /tmp/ltsp-localapps-utente1-SYbKtE/
16:48	what do you see?
16:49	<bulletxt> Gadi: all the *.desktop files, including firefox..........
16:49	how can it be?
16:49	in the menu, firefox will start it on the server, and even gimp
16:49	<Gadi> one step at a time
16:49	<bulletxt> ok
16:50	<Gadi> ok, now
16:50	grep -i exec /tmp/ltsp-localapps-utente1-SYbKtE/gimp.desktop
16:50	what do ou get?
16:51	<bulletxt> Gadi: Exec=xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "gimp-2.6 %U"
16:51	<Gadi> ok, now run:
16:51	xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "gimp-2.6 %U"
16:52	<bulletxt> it starts gimp locally
16:52	<Gadi> ok, so the .desktop file is good
16:52	<bulletxt> yea
16:52	why isnt gnome's menu updated?
16:52	<Gadi> now, we need to understand why it is not replacing the original
16:52	<bulletxt> yea
16:52	<Gadi> is it possible there are 2 entries in the gnome menu for gimp?
16:52	<bulletxt> mm no there is only 1
16:53	<Gadi> this is Ubuntu 9.04?
16:53	<bulletxt> yes 32bit
16:53	<Gadi> ok. hmm...
16:54	but openoffice does run locally?
16:54	<bulletxt> yes from the menu
16:54	it will start openoffice locally
16:54	same goes for all the other apps I installed with chroot
16:54	only firefox and gimp aren't working
16:54	maybe I should reinstall the packages ?
16:54	<Gadi> that is weird
16:55	I dont think reinstalling will help
16:55	<bulletxt> mm
16:55	<Gadi> because it is doing the right thing
16:55	manually, anyway
16:55	it is just the menu replacement that is not happening
16:55	and, I know firefox is well tested
16:55	since thats the #1 localapp of choice
16:55	<bulletxt> i'll try removing the pakackage
16:55	and installing it
16:56	<Gadi> oh, wait
16:56	no, nevermind
16:56	<bulletxt> yea
16:56	<Gadi> actually, what do you get with: ls ~/.config
16:57	<bulletxt> just a sec
16:57	<Gadi> ls ~/.local/share/applications
16:57	actually, do that one instead
16:57	<bulletxt> ok, are you thinking that maybe I started it on the server first so it made this mess?
16:57	<Gadi> I am wondering if you have a .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications for gimp and firefox
16:58	because that may override the ones in /tmp
16:58	<bulletxt> Gadi: so I do ls ~/.local/share/applications ?
16:58	<Gadi> yeah
16:59	<bulletxt> ekiga.desktop gimp.desktop openoffice.org-writer.desktop
16:59	firefox.desktop openoffice.org-calc.desktop
16:59	<Gadi> ah
16:59	what happens if you delete the gimp.desktop
16:59	from that dir
16:59	and then run the one from the gnome menu
17:00	<bulletxt> Gadi: it starts it locally........
17:00	<Gadi> there ya go
17:00	<bulletxt> great
17:00	so to make it short
17:00	what was the problem?
17:01	<Gadi> so, the menu gets assembled from .desktop files
17:01	<bulletxt> should that ~folder be empty?
17:01	<Gadi> but ones with the same name can override others
17:01	the menu collects the desktop files from a series of directories
17:01	and will use them in a particular order of preference
17:01	<bulletxt> ok
17:02	I can make a new test
17:02	<Gadi> local ones from a user's ~/.local take precedence over system ones
17:02	<bulletxt> ill create a new user and login
17:02	and lets see if gimp is local in menu
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17:04	<korcan> Gadi, do you have OpenOffice 3.1 working? I have it installed, however I cannot open files from the samba shares...
17:04	any ideas?
17:04	<Gadi> korcan: haven't had the pleasure
17:04	<korcan> :(
17:04	what OO ver do you use?
17:04	3.1?
17:04	err 3.0?
17:04	<bulletxt> Gadi: ok great, loggin with a new user has the correct menu :)
17:05	Gadi: you saved me... :)
17:05	<Gadi> depends which machine Im on and which version of Ubuntu happens to be installed
17:05	* Gadi loathes updates
17:05	<Gadi> :)
17:05	<korcan> has anyone played with karmic beta?
17:05	<Gadi> bulletxt: cool
17:06	bulletxt: now that you have it going, you also know about LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS, right?
17:07	<bulletxt> Gadi: yea, can that be used to make only some apps apear in menu?
17:08	<Gadi> right - so combine that with MAC addy sections in lts.conf and you can have some machines that run, say, gimp locally while others (less powerful, perhaps) run on server
17:09	<bulletxt> Gadi: if I don't add that entry, local apps will start normally in local way and all the other on the server, right?
17:09	<Gadi> right, without that entry any app that can be local is
17:09	with that entry, only the itemized apps run locally
17:09	<bulletxt> ok
17:09	thanks
17:10	now my next goal is to make wine run locally, do you think its possible?
17:10	<Gadi> sure
17:10	though, in Jaunty, the only dir that the thin client sees is the homedir
17:10	<korcan> Gadi, is there a doc on the help you just gave bulletxt ? can you point me to it?
17:11	<bulletxt> Gadi: yea
17:12	<Gadi> korcan: great question
17:12	:)
17:12	<korcan> is that a no :)
17:12	<Gadi> lets see if the ubuntultsp wiki has a localapps page
17:12	!ubuntu
17:12	<ltspbot> Gadi: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
17:12	<korcan> I tried to set firefox to run locally and gave up on it a while back...
17:13	<Gadi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
17:14	that looks like one
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17:15	<Gadi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsFirefox
17:15	another
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17:17	<korcan> Gadi, thanks... I think it was before these were up there :)
17:17	<warren> ogra: hey, where can I find the latest dash package in Ubuntu?
17:18	<korcan> What should I be mindfull of when doing security updates to my ltsp server?
17:19	I need to run them tonight...
17:19	<Gadi> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/dash
17:19	warren: ^^
17:19	<warren> fun... dash upstream has entirely different patches from Ubuntu's non-upstream patches
17:20	<bulletxt> Gadi: after running sudo ltsp-update-image, is a system reboot or some service reboot required? or can I just start a client after it?
17:20	<Gadi> bulletxt: just reboot the client
17:20	<korcan> bulletxt, log out, the thin client will tell you there is an update and reboot itself...
17:20	<bulletxt> Gadi: ok, if I install ubuntu 64bit, is there something I have to take care of?
17:21	<Gadi> bulletxt: you usually want the chroot to be 32-bit
17:21	so adda: -a i386
17:21	<bulletxt> Gadi: this makes a 32bit client be able to log in right?
17:21	<Gadi> this makes a 32-bit chroot
17:22	so the chroot is a 32-bit OS
17:22	while the server itself is a 64-bit OS
17:22	<bulletxt> mm, sorry if I dont understsand. what happens if I dont do that?
17:22	<Gadi> then, the chroot will be 64-bit
17:22	<bulletxt> will a 32bit cpu client still be able to login?
17:22	<Gadi> and will only run on 64-bit client
17:22	yes
17:23	it has to do with the client's hardware
17:23	<bulletxt> i mean, if I dont do -a i386, will a 32bit cpu client be able to log in?
17:23	<Gadi> if you make a 32-bit chroot, it will run on 32-bit and 64-bit client hardware
17:23	if you don't do -a i386, you will have a 64-bit chroot, which will only run on 64-bit client processors
17:24	<bulletxt> ok perfect, now I understand
17:24	thanks
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17:24	<Gadi> (plus, at the moment, there is a bug in ltspfs on 64-bit clients, so your removable media wont work right)
17:24	:)
17:24	<bulletxt> lol
17:24	ok
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17:27	<tstafford> i'm running firefox as a local app, on ubuntu 9.04, and i don't seem to get any sound from flash. Flash sound works fine when running on the server. Anyone have any ideas on that?
17:44	<vagrantc> actually, you can use lowercase variable names in lts.conf, but they get transformed into upper case ...
17:44	i.e. setting foo=bar will set the variable FOO=bar
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18:14	<bulletxt> fromt the server,how can I cd into a users home?
18:15	<Lns> bulletxt: ?
18:15	cd /home/user ?
18:15	<bulletxt> ok ill try to explain my problem. I installed with chroot wine
18:16	and it works fine in local
18:16	now this is what I want to do: I need to install ies4linux, the problem is that the installer makes an exe inside the users home. I want that exe to be recognized froma all users
18:16	how can I do this?
18:16	<Lns> hrm
18:17	well one solution is to use cxoffice instead of wine
18:17	someone here was working on something that kind of hacked together a solution that would work
18:17	but i don't remember who
18:18	<bulletxt> what happens if I chroot to opt ltsp i386, and then copy the exe in /usr/bin and make a *.desktop in /usr/share/applications
18:18	will all clients see the *.desktop in menu?
18:19	does it make sense?
18:20	<Lns> not sure, i don't have much experience w/localapps myself
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18:20	<Lns> you can always try and let us know what you find out =)
18:20	<bulletxt> ok
18:20	<Lns> a lot of good wiki tutorials come up from people like you who venture out into the sea of the unknown, to return and tell the tale ;)
18:22	<bulletxt> lol
18:22	yes this is a "big" and awful adventure at the same time
18:22	<Lns> ies4linux = internet exploder for linux?
18:23	<bulletxt> yea
18:23	its an installer
18:23	but it intalls it for the current user
18:24	i have to find a way to make it appear for all users
18:24	<Lns> ugh
18:25	i'm sorry ;)
18:25	<bulletxt> do you think I have to copy the exe to /var/lib/ etc or to /opt/ltsp etc?
18:26	<Lns> /opt/ltsp/...
18:27	/var/lib is only for booting up stuff that you don't see in the chroot
18:27	i.e. tftpboot
18:30	<bulletxt> ok thanks, ill continue testing it tomorrow
18:30	goodnight
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19:06	<cliebow> Godfather:ping
19:06	davidj:pingio
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19:21	<_UsUrPeR__> hey all
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19:28	<_UsUrPeR__> hey all.
19:29	I am trying to figure out how to get print notifications (print queue, notification when printing is finished) to work with ltsp-localapps
19:30	has anybody had any luck with this?
19:30	<korcan> anyone have acrobat reader 64 bit installed?
19:30	can you point me to a how-to?
19:31	jaunty
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19:42	<GodFather> cliebow: ping
19:56	<cliebow> GodFather, just checking on transport frombhb
19:57	<GodFather> cliebow: David and I are arriving about 3:45 in bhb airport I have reserved a car but not sure that I actually want to rent it
20:00	<cliebow> ok...well you can call me if you want a cheap ride..
20:00	pretend you are in Havana if you like
20:00	<GodFather> cliebow: you mean we could get a ride in the "ChuckWagon" :-)
20:00	<cliebow> you bet
20:01	if youdare
20:02	<GodFather> cliebow: k, how do we get ahold of you?
20:02	<cliebow> 6102396
20:02	well 2076102396
20:03	i have to beat the house by three..and tha is withinwalking distance of the airport
20:04	<GodFather> great I'll give you a call! Do you think we could stop at a store to pick up some beverages ?
20:04	<cliebow> absolutely
20:04	<GodFather> cliebow: you live at or near the airport, if so then you have a long drive to take us to Seawall, do I understand?
20:05	<cliebow> i will be in and out all weekend..trying to keep all the balls in the air
20:06	<GodFather> cliebow: thats way out of your way
20:06	<cliebow> r harbor airport..new house i ambuilding is in trenton..home is stilll southwest harbor
20:07	so like 8 minutes out of the way
20:07	least i can do
20:07	<GodFather> o, ok, well really would appreciate a ride!
20:07	<cliebow> sure..4:00 or so?
20:08	<GodFather> what you doing for dinner Wednesday nite, yah 4PM if flight not late we can call you if you are busy at the house, then wait for you
20:09	<cliebow> wed night is uncertain.depends on what my wife does
20:10	<GodFather> optionally, the 4 of us could go out for dinner
20:10	<cliebow> ok..4? is chris coming in too?
20:11	<GodFather> cliebow: hmm, don't know about chris?
20:11	<cliebow> i have three seats atm..i can easinly throw in aN EXTRA..
20:12	YOU ME DAVIDJ..someone else?
20:13	<GodFather> cliebow: k, but if it's Chris V wiki says he's coming in on the 22nd
20:13	<cliebow> i guess you kmeant my wife to make 4..she is busy for sure
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20:14	<GodFather> cliebow: ur wife's name is Chris?
20:15	<rjune> GodFather, hey man
20:15	<GodFather> rjune: hey how r u?
20:15	<rjune> crazy
20:16	you?
20:16	<davidj> cliebow:
20:16	You here?
20:16	<rjune> GodFather, http://www.oriontechnologysolutions.com/ trying to get that moving
20:16	<GodFather> cliebow: sssh david is here! lol
20:16	<cliebow> i was trying to figure out who the four were you mentioned...davidj...me...you
20:16	<rjune> then that davidj guy and I are trying to get something going
20:16	<davidj> cliebow: Ah. Ron Concernian.
20:16	<cliebow> rjune!!!
20:16	<rjune> cliebow, !
20:17	<cliebow> now i am confused
20:17	more so than usual
20:17	<GodFather> cliebow: I did mean you, your wife, david and I
20:17	<rjune> cliebow, we just about got the band back together.
20:17	where's mistik1?
20:18	<davidj> cliebow: There are just two of us arriving Wednesday: GodFather and davidj
20:19	<cliebow> davidj:i think we were discussing dinner plans for tomorrow night.. i have a lot of animals to take care of..so cant go out..
20:20	<davidj> Oh. Would an extra pair of hands change that?
20:21	<GodFather> cliebow: if we are at the Seawall Wednesday night what options for dinner might we have? That's why I was thinking renting a car might be important for those reasons
20:21	<cliebow> that is the essence..
20:23	i am not up for going out tomorrow night..i caN get you to the sEAWALL FROM THE AIRport...you could get a taxi to swh and back..
20:23	for dinner
20:24	<GodFather> davidj: What do you think? We could get a Chuck ride to Seawall and no dinner, Or, Rent the car and have the ability to go for food. Jim McQ is not coming until Thursday
20:24	cliebow: Can you estimate the cost of a cab from Seawall?
20:24	to town?
20:24	<davidj> GodFather: cliebow would be great company on the ride from the airport, but I think the car might be a good idea.
20:25	google maps says SWH is equidistant from the airport and BH.
20:25	* cliebow cliebow looks up Geddy's taxi
20:25	<davidj> so I'd guess that the taxi ride to town wouldn't be much different from the ride from the airport.
20:25	<cliebow> you have to drive thru swh to get to the airport
20:26	<GodFather> davidj: I called a cab company airport to Seawall was $30 to $40 one way
20:26	Don't know Geddy's cost!
20:27	<cliebow> umm.ive never hired one...lemme get the phonebook
20:29	<GodFather> cliebow: I'm callin 'em now
20:29	<cliebow> why dont you just drop me off home and take take the van for the night..
20:31	<GodFather> brb I got a call! geddy only runs during the day according to my call
20:31	<cliebow> at your cervix taxi--2889222
20:32	mdi taxi-2883333
20:32	opooch taxi-2883898
20:33	why dont you just drop me off home and take take the van for the night..pick me up and take me out t breakfast 8~)
20:33	in the morning!!
20:34	then ill drop you off in the hotel and go to work for a while
20:40	<GodFather> cliebow: Hmm! Chuck you are soooo generous, can we make this decision tomorrow, your van offer is tempting, but gosh I'd hate to have something go wrong, etc. if you know what I mean
20:42	<cliebow> i know what you mean..but i am very comfortable with it..even if you totalled it..a seven year old car with 100000 miles on it used as a wood truck..
20:42	more or less.
20:43	<GodFather> cliebow: do you need to know tonight if we accept your offer for the van or can we call you once we land brb and decide then?
20:43	<cliebow> we can decide tomorrow easily.. i am not going anywhere tomorrow night forsure
20:43	so lets wing it tomorrow..
20:43	<GodFather> cliebow: ok that's the plan.
20:44	<cliebow> i do need to be home wed night
20:44	<GodFather> cliebow: david got awful quiet tonight
20:44	<cliebow> fair enough
20:44	<GodFather> cliebow: good can't wait to see you and Maine again!!!
20:44	<davidj> GodFather: Sorry, I'm finishing up a few things here and trying to get to bed at a decent hour. ;-)
20:44	<cliebow> 8~)
20:45	<GodFather> cliebow: thanks, David see you in Boston!!!
20:46	<cliebow> davidj:jot my phone down..2076102396..my wifes in a pinch 2072666077...hjer work 2074226896(sorrento post office)
20:47	<davidj> cliebow: Thanks!
20:49	<cliebow> my pleasure..you guys rock!
20:50	i'm packing it in.see ya tomorrow..
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20:52	<davidj> I think I'll turn in, too.
20:52	'night.
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21:27	<epaphus> Hello, I have 20 users that Id like to implement a thin client . If i wanted to serve them a minimal distribution with only firefox, and office... I would have to create this distro first right?
21:27	or look for one.. for example DSL
21:27	then how would I create the users?
21:27	<vagrantc> that wouldn't be LTSP, then
21:31	<epaphus> vagrantc, can you help me oritentate better then? what would it be..? i was told i needed something based on the XDMCP protocol..
21:32	<vagrantc> with a conventional LTSP setup, you'd just network boot the thin clients and log into the server to run all your applications. alternately, you can run some or all of the applications on the thin clients themselves. but all of your administration is done on the server.
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21:34	<epaphus> vagrantc, right.. thats cool. Is this based on the XDMCP protocol?
21:34	<vagrantc> not any more. typically, they're configured to login using ssh X11 forwarding, through LDM.
21:35	with LTSP4.x and earlier, it typically used XDMCP
21:35	but i've got to tend to other things at the moment, hopefully someoen else can help you
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21:45	<Guest87258> epaphus, any specific questions you have?
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21:46	<Guest37041> brb epaphus
21:46	need to log back on
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21:56	<epaphus> johnny, i was just wondering how ltsp could help me... if I had the need of wanting to do diskless PCs that only run firefox, pidgin and office.. p erhaps on IceWM.
21:57	what would i need to know aside from installing lpst
21:57	<johnny> sure.. that's ltsp..
21:57	<epaphus> ltsp
21:57	<johnny> they should all be on the same network together
21:57	<epaphus> right
21:57	<johnny> they must support netbooting
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21:58	<johnny> altho if they don't you can install software on any other bootable medium to give them netbooting support
21:58	like a floppy
21:58	you should browse this
21:58	<epaphus> yeah, that part i do understand. the client side
21:58	<johnny> !docs
21:58	<ltspbot> johnny: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
21:58	<epaphus> ok let me see
21:58	<johnny> then just installing ltsp and potentially messing with dhcpd if you already have one
21:59	<epaphus> which i do
22:00	the part iam confused is.. what do I give ltsp to "broadcast" the OS? do i give it an image? an iso? or does it push the same operating system where ltsp is installed?
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22:05	<johnny> an image
22:06	on ubuntu anyways
22:06	nfs root on some others
22:06	it builds the operating system
22:06	via ltsp-build-client
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22:07	<epaphus> ltsp-build-client.. i guess ill go read about that
22:08	<johnny> it doesn't take much effort..
22:08	ltsp-build-client --arch i386
22:08	thats all you have to do
22:08	most of the time anyways..
22:10	<epaphus> johnny, but what does it build from? from the current OS where ltsp is loaded?
22:10	<johnny> no, it starts from scratch
22:10	<epaphus> I already have my ubuntu minimal distro with just the things I need.. and a user account for each of my thin client users.. does that help?
22:10	<johnny> on ubuntu/debian they use debian installer
22:10	no..
22:11	<epaphus> ahhh
22:11	<johnny> you need it because it has custom init scripts for ltsp
22:11	<epaphus> got it
22:11	<johnny> like starting up the network sound
22:11	allow the local applications to work
22:11	<epaphus> understood.. so it will guide me to build the client.. like if I where making a new OS install?
22:11	<johnny> it's an ubuntu minimal distro with the ltsp packages and their dependents installed
22:11	and some ltsp glue
22:12	some services are turned off as well
22:12	since it uses custom stuff in place of them
22:12	epaphus, no.. there's no guide
22:12	it just works
22:13	you don't really have to tweak any options as that kinda thing is handled your host computer
22:14	<epaphus> ohh but then How can I push a minimal operating system to my users.. lets say with only office, and firefox.. ?
22:14	<johnny> that shouuld all be in the docs there
22:14	they will use those programs from your server automatically
22:14	there is a procedure to install some programs to run off the thin client hardware if necessary tho
22:15	<epaphus> johnny, ah ok .. so if mY server doesnt have it installed.. then users will not be able to see it..?
22:15	thats even better
22:16	johnny, last question.. i skimmed the manual but it doesnt talk about user creation.. iam assuming I create the users like normal linux users in my server and those are the ones used?
22:17	<johnny> yes
22:18	<epaphus> thank you
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22:29	<vagrantc> with LTSP you can basically manage 1 computer for all your users.
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