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Channel log from 18 November 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:21 | <alkisg> !forget SCREEN_02
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| 00:21 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 00:22 | <alkisg> !learn SCREEN_02 as to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
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| 00:22 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 05:26 | <alkisg> !learn socat-screen as to share a local thin client shell with a remote person, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/socat-screen
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| 05:26 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:35 | <cfkane> I can't get a client's printer to work (lp0, HP LJ4, Ubuntu Lucid server). Standalone printers are seen fine, as are printers hanging off standalone machines. Only printers on clients on the Lucid server are not working. Any ideas or fixes out there? thx
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| 11:54 | <Gadi> cfkane: as in plugged into the client machines?
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| 11:55 | have you set the clients up with an IP address reservation, added the lts.conf params, and set up the printer queues as jetdirect printers?
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| 11:55 | <cfkane> yes. I might have just stumbled on a/the fix. But yes, I meant printers on clients via parallel cable
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| 11:59 | I'm not sure what you mean by "reservation". I'm using client specific IP addresses, not "range" in dhcpd.conf.
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:00 | that's an IP reservation in DHCP-parlance
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| 12:00 | such that that client always gets reserved that IP
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| 12:00 | would suck to set up a network print queue only to have the IP change
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| 12:13 | <cfkane> I just got back. I had changed the /etc/cups/cups.conf "Listen" directive from localhost to the server's actual IP address. Didn't help.
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> do the print queues work?
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| 12:18 | ie, can you print a test page to a local client?
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| 12:24 | <cfkane> No, not to this printer on the client. Otherwise, yes. To a Sharp copier and to an HP LJ4 hanging off a standalone Ubuntu Jaunty machine via a parallel cable.
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| 12:28 | The clients are able to sumit print jobs to the server. But there they stop. I buld the printer on the server but when I send it a test page a yellow triangle is appended to the printer's icon in the dialog box.
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| 12:30 | Maybe this will help:
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| 12:30 | No ID match for device socket://192.168.3.54:9100:
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| 12:32 | <cfkane> is what I'm seeing. I'm at my machine and exporting the server's display to my desktop. then I run "gnome-control-center &" and fire up the printer module. With the ampersand I can get my prompt back any time but I still get output about what the printer modules is saying.
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| 12:33 | What ID might it be looking for? It also says:
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| 12:33 | Using lsb/usr/cups-included/textonly.ppd (status: 3)
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| 12:34 | I'll get a PPD from another server but I can't believe this thing can't deal with a simple postscript printer like a laserjet 4.
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| 12:37 | <Gadi> it sounds like the queue is not set up properly
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| 12:37 | if the LTSP client is at 192.168.3.54,
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| 12:37 | and you have PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0
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| 12:37 | in lts.conf
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| 12:38 | and you set up the print queue as you did, selecting the correct driver for HPLJ4
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| 12:38 | it should work
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| 12:38 | <cfkane> I'll check the lts.conf but I'm sure it's there.
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> cfkane: you can also try: telnet 192.168.3.54 9100
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| 12:39 | <cfkane> Yup, it's there.
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| 12:40 | Bingo "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused" How to fix? /etc/services?
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| 12:40 | <Gadi> no - that means that jetpipe is not running on the client
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| 12:40 | what distro?
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| 12:40 | <cfkane> I read there were license issues with that.
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| 12:41 | Is there a package?
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| 12:41 | <Gadi> nah
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| 12:41 | it is part of the ltsp package
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| 12:41 | what distro?
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| 12:41 | ah, you said
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| 12:41 | Ubuntu
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| 12:42 | did you upgrade to Lucid or was it a fresh install?
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| 12:42 | <cfkane> Ubuntu Lucid amd64 server, with ubuntu-desktop installed.
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| 12:42 | Fresh
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| 12:42 | <Gadi> and your lts.conf is in: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 12:42 | right?
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| 12:42 | <cfkane> yes.
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| 12:42 | <Gadi> and: grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 12:42 | has /var/lib/tftpboot in it?
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| 12:43 | <cfkane> No, I don't see that in inetd.
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| 12:43 | maybe xinetd...
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> xinetd?
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| 12:44 | dpkg -l|grep inetd
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| 12:44 | <cfkane> ii openbsd-inetd
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| 12:44 | ii update-inetd
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> dpkg -l|grep tftp
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| 12:45 | <cfkane> FYI: p xinetd - replacement for inetd with many enhancements
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> ah... did you install xinetd?
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| 12:45 | <cfkane> ii tftpd-hpa
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| 12:46 | <cfkane> I've had problems with this version 5.0. I've even hacked in the earlier version from karmin (something like 0.48 or whatever)
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| 12:47 | ii tftpd-hpa 5.0-11ubuntu2
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| 12:47 | No. No xinetd. Would do that in the old ltsp-4.x days (Nice system, that)
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:48 | ok, well you are missing the inetd.conf line for tftp
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| 12:48 | which means that your lts.conf is not getting downloaded
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| 12:48 | so, let's fix that
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> Gadi: that's in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 12:48 | in Lucid
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> really?
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> Yup, it doesn't start from inetd anymore
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 12:49 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 12:49 | <Gadi> huh
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> cfkane: on a localxterm, type `getltscfg -a` to verify that your lts.conf is being parsed
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| 12:49 | <Gadi> good tip
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| 12:50 | <cfkane> ans: The program 'getltscfg' is currently not installed
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| 12:50 | It includes directions: apt-get install ltsp-client-core
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> cfkane: run ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 12:50 | <cfkane> Will this accidently over-write anything critical?
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> while sitting at the client
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| 12:50 | don't install anything
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| 12:51 | just run: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 12:51 | while sitting at the thin client
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| 12:51 | <cfkane> At the client. OK. I'll walk over there. Be back in a bit...
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> that will start an xterm running on the client, in which you can run local commands
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| 12:52 | like: getltscfg -a
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| 12:52 | <cfkane> I'll install xchat and pick this up from the client, it's across the building. thanks.
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> cfkane: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ltsp
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| 12:55 | (web irc front-end)
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| 13:01 | <cfkane> I'm back, at a client, not the one with the printer. do I need to be there?
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| 13:03 | <cfkane> Gadi: I'm back.
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> cfkane: until Gadi gets back, try the `getltscfg -a` command on a local terminal
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| 13:08 | !localxterm
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| 13:08 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 13:09 | <cfkane> syntax error in /etc/lts.conf, line=7
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> So you have a problem with your lts.conf
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| 13:09 | Upload it to pastebot
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| 13:09 | !pastebot
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| 13:09 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 13:12 | <cfkane> OK, but I'll check lts.conf first. I'm familiar with it. Then I'll pastebot
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| 13:23 | <cfkane> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/4LFKbTWd
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| 13:25 | I can see the error. the line "key=value" is not commented out. I did that and ran ltsp-update-image --arch i386 but it changed nothing in the chroot. Where can this be edited?
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| 13:26 | FYI: this is the lts.conf from the getltscfg -a command. that would be from the chroot wouldn't it?
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| 13:31 | <cfkane> I've checked both lts.confs; the one in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, and the one in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp. they're both commented out but ltdcfg -a still says the error's there. getltscfg looks at some built image and this needs to be re-built after my commenting those files. Right?
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> cfkane: the problem with the lts.conf you pasted is that it doesn't have any sections at all
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| 13:31 | You need a [Default] section on top of it
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| 13:32 | Also aren't you supposed to declare the printer there, like Gadi wrote above?
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| 13:32 | <cfkane> You need the one in the server's environment (/opt/ltsp/i386/etc)? I'll do that now.
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> cfkane: no, you need to modify the one in the server's /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 13:35 | The one in /opt/ltsp/i386 is ignored if the other one exists
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| 13:36 | <cfkane> I'm being kicked off of this client. I'm going back to my machine and I'll get the right lts.conf. It *does* have sections. Bye and thanks.
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> cfkane: also, you don't need to run ltsp-update-image when you change lts.conf
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| 13:45 | <cfkane> Gadi: Here's my lts.conf from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/lts.conf
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| 13:45 | Gadi: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/EQNF4jXx
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> sorry, was afk
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| 13:46 | cfkane: you cannot have an empty [default]
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| 13:46 | that's a syntax error
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| 13:46 | add something
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| 13:46 | like
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| 13:46 | foo=bar
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| 13:46 | under it
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| 13:47 | ah
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| 13:47 | read too
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| 13:47 | read too quickly
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| 13:48 | try not have so many lines between things
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| 13:48 | <cfkane> Gadi: In the lts.conf I pasted there are entries under [default]. Printer cfg lines.
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> like have
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| 13:48 | [default]
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| 13:48 | entry1
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| 13:48 | not sure if it makes a difference, but it might help find your syntax error
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> cfkane: that's probably NOT the lts.conf that the client receives
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| 13:49 | <cfkane> Gadi: Ha! I'm posting between your rsponse lines. Too much coffee here...
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| 13:50 | alkisg: I can believe that from the output of getltscfg -a. Just where *is* the lts.cfg the clients get?
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> cfkane: grep DIRECTORY /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 13:52 | <cfkane> alkisg: TFTP_DIRECTORY="/var/lib/tftpboot"
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> cfkane: grep TFTP_OPTIONS /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 13:53 | <cfkane> I remember there were some changes made by Ubuntu when their tftpd package was upgraded
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| 13:53 | TFTP_OPTIONS="--secure"
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> Your tftp setup is ok, let's check your dhcp...
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| 13:53 | cfkane: grep filename /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 13:53 | <cfkane> make that tftpd-hpa
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| 13:54 | filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 13:54 | filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> And the one you put to pastebin is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ?
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| 13:55 | <cfkane> Correct.
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> Something doesn't sound right... :D
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| 13:55 | Ok, change your TFTP_OPTIONS to TFTP_OPTIONS="--verbose --secure"
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| 13:56 | Then: sudo restart tftpd-hpa
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| 13:56 | Then reboot a client and check your daemon log, you'll see the lts.conf it downloads from tftp there
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| 13:57 | <cfkane> Be right back.
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| 14:00 | <cfkane> alkisg: RRQ from 192.168.3.41 filename /ltsp/i386//lts.conf. Where would that double slash come from?
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> That's not a problem though
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| 14:01 | <cfkane> Other than that it's OK then?
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| 14:01 | The expected path
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> Well it seems so, but since the client is complaining about a syntax error, it isn't :D
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| 14:02 | <cfkane> Is there a file or command switch that will let me spec a non-default lts.conf at client boot time?
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| 14:02 | Maybe I can force its hand
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> Ah, no, there is a syntax error
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| 14:03 | No empty lines are allowed outside a section
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| 14:03 | <cfkane> Dang. I like a brute force approach at times.
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> So line 6 is a syntax error
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| 14:04 | So put [Default] as the very first line to make sure you never get that problem again :)
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| 14:08 | <cfkane> alkisg: That's a capital "D", right? Not lower case?
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> case doesn't matter in sections
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> (the code mentions it as [Default] though, so I'm personally preferring that)
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| 14:13 | <cfkane> I've made the change and I'll give it a shot. Then I'll go clean up the empty lines.
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| 14:29 | alkisg: That was the ticket! Everything prints fine. thanks for all the help. You too Gadi! And anyone I missed.
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| 15:16 | <LandryD_> Help needed with ltsp-remoteapps
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| 15:17 | I have a working server and fatclients. I want to use ltsp-remoteapps to launch some applications on the server but this does not seem to be working
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| 15:18 | I have made the remoteapps entry in the ltsp.conf file
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> LandryD_: distro/version?
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| 15:22 | <LandryD_> Ubuntu 10.04 ltsp 5.2
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 15:23 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> LandryD_: so on a localxterm, if you run: ltsp-remoteapps gnome-calculator, does a calculator open?
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| 15:26 | <LandryD_> No. If I run the command using sh -x the string "xprop -root -f LTSP_RCOMMAND 8s -set LTSP_RCOMMAND xcal" is the result. No application is launched
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> Again in a localxterm, what does this give you? getltscfg -a
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| 15:27 | (btw xcal? not gnome-calculator? is xcal even installed?)
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| 15:28 | <LandryD_> it was 'xcalc. Yes it's installed
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> OK, what's the output of getltscfg -a ?
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| 15:30 | <LandryD_> getltscfg -a shows "REMOTE_APPS=True" "LOCAL_APPS=True" anything in particular to look for here?
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| 15:32 | <LandryD_> Here's the full output of getltscfg -a
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| 15:33 | net1@ltsp21:~$ getltscfg -a
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| 15:33 | REMOTE_APPS="True"
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| 15:33 | LOCAL_APPS="True"
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| 15:33 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU="True"
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| 15:33 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITMES="firefox"
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| 15:33 | SEARCH_DOMAIN="santacruzpl.org"
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| 15:33 | DNS_SERVER="63.193.16.68"
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| 15:33 | export REMOTE_APPS
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| 15:33 | export LOCAL_APPS
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| 15:33 | export LOCAL_APPS_MENU
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| 15:33 | export LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITMES
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| 15:33 | export SEARCH_DOMAIN
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| 15:33 | export DNS_SERVER
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> !pastebot
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| 15:33 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> Also, with fat clients, local apps are not really needed, as all are localapps
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| 15:34 | Also there's a typo in _ITMES
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| 15:34 | It should be "ITEMS"
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| 15:35 | <LandryD_> So I should remove the LOCAL_APPS references?
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> Yup better do that so it's more straightforward
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> Also verify (with ps -ef|grep remote) that ltsp-remoteappsd is running
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| 15:43 | <LandryD_> I made the changes and started ltsp-update-image...so...waiting
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> LandryD_: you don't need to run ltsp-update-image when you change lts.conf
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| 15:44 | <LandryD_> I just like to wait :-)
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| 15:52 | <LandryD_> Verified that ltsp-remoteappsd is running. getltscfg -a shows that all references to LOCALAPPS are removed and that REMOTE_APPS=True appears. The result of running /usr/bin/ltsp-remoteapps gnome-calculator is the same; no app is launched.
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| 15:54 | <Pweg> stupid question: where in dhcpd.conf would I append the host declarations for static ips?
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| 15:54 | or does it matter?
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> Goodnight all
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| 15:56 | <LandryD_> statics should not occur within the range for dynamic address assignment. They don't need to be in dhcp
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| 15:57 | <Pweg> you need declarations in the conf file for it to recognize them on boot though don't you?
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| 16:05 | <LandryD_> Not sure what you are trying to accomplish but statics are resolved by dns. Are you really asking about dhcp reserved addresses?
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| 16:07 | <Pweg> I may be, now I'm not sure anymore. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIPsWithDHCP is what I'm referencing.
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| 16:08 | <LandryD_> alkisg had to leave. Still can't resolve my problem with ltsp-remoteapps. Output of getltscfg, and other info is in the pastebin at http://ltsp.pastebin.com/birqz5dC if anyone can help.
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| 16:11 | That document is describing reserved dhcp addressing which is what you want to do. Strictly speaking this is not static ip but only maps a mac address to a specific ip in the dhcp range.
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| 16:11 | <Pweg> ah, ok.
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| 17:42 | <LandryD_> anyone around that can help with ltsp-remoteapps?
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