IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 6 April 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:50 | <dobber> i'm thinking of installing a new ltsp server
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| 07:51 | what do you sugest, sqeezy, oneiric or install from source ?
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| 07:52 | or wheezy
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| 07:55 | I think I prefer a debian squeeze with ltsp from source
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| 08:04 | <alkisg> dobber: wheezy is a development version, so I'm not sure if I'd want that in a production server. Other than that, LTSP is more mature in it.
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| 08:05 | Don't use ltsp from source on squeeze; use the backports
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| 08:06 | <dobber> apt-get -t squeeze-backports install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 08:07 | and i'll get rid of my fat clients
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| 08:08 | <alkisg> Why?
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| 08:10 | <dobber> hardware issues mostly
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| 08:11 | since i switched, my co-workers are bugging me with problems
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| 08:11 | <alkisg> Ah, you mean local installations, not LTSP fat clients, ok.
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| 08:11 | <dobber> i dont use local installations for almost 3 yearz
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| 08:12 | i used thin clients for most of the time, and this december i switched to fat clients
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| 08:12 | then the problems started
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| 08:12 | <alkisg> I haven't heard of any hardware problems affecting fat clients and not thin clients
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| 08:13 | <dobber> not enough ram is one
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| 08:13 | my main problem is that it's too hard to debug
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| 08:13 | <alkisg> ...ok the fat clients requirements of course are not the same as the thin client requirements
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| 08:14 | They're the same as local installations
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| 08:14 | <dobber> yes
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| 10:01 | <raifal> hello
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| 10:02 | i've problem implementing ltsp-cluster
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| 10:02 | i've setup 2 app server, say ip 10.0.0.101 and 10.0.0.102
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| 10:03 | which 10.0.0.101 also as root server
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| 10:03 | my problem is that thin client only use 10.0.0.101 as their app server
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| 10:04 | when i check lbs log i saw "Cannot retrieve node 'app-server2', error:<class 'socket.timeout'>"
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| 10:04 | fyi i can telnet app-server2 8000
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| 10:20 | nvm, looks like a cable problem @_@
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| 12:03 | <markit> hi alkisg, I've a big problem with LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS that I do need be able to pass more dirs
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| 12:03 | like /srv and /etc/kde4 (where global settings are defined)
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| 12:03 | I'm trying with something like LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/srv, /etc/kde4, /mydir but seem not to work
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> Hi markit, I don't have much time now, but try without the commas
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| 12:03 | <markit> maybe better skip spaces? who knows...
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| 12:04 | alkisg: no problem, just would love, if is a bug or limitation, be fixed for 12.04
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| 12:04 | I'll report you back
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| 12:04 | thanks a lot
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> markit:
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| 12:04 | I don't think there will be any more ltsp uploads for 12.04
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| 12:04 | You started testing a bit too late :)
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| 12:04 | <markit> yes, my bad
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| 12:05 | unfortunately is the best I was able to do
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> markit: you can also use FSTAB_0 to 9
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| 12:05 | To mount any dirs you want with nfs
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| 12:05 | <markit> I'll have a look if desperate :)
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| 12:05 | LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS mounts with ssh ?
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> (03:03:49 μμ) markit: maybe better skip spaces? who knows... ==> yes I just looked at the code, try that
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| 12:06 | Leave the commas, remove spaces
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| 12:09 | <markit> alkisg: works, thanks a lot (even if I've a different trouble now, but I'll try to solve on my own).
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| 12:09 | btw I'll have a look at the official doc and fix it if wrong
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> If the manpage is wrong, file a bug report in upstream ltsp
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| 12:10 | !ltsp-bug
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| 12:10 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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| 12:13 | <markit> alkisg: well, man page talks about coma, maybe the code should be more friendly. Even if I've seen create directories with Dolphin (file manager of kde) with a heading space (horror!!!) so maybe is a legitimate dir name
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| 12:31 | <markit> mmm in fat chroot I've /etc/kde4/kdm, I want to mount /etc/kde4 of the server, but seems to fail, is it because in chroot /etc/kde4 has a subdir?
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| 12:31 | <zamba> chrome works poorly in ltsp, yeah?
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| 12:35 | <markit> mmm subdir should not be an issue
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| 12:49 | <markit> mm it is with sshfs
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| 12:50 | "fuse: mountpoint is not empty" "fuse: if you are sure this is safe, use the 'nonempty' mount option"
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| 12:50 | so ltsp should use "noempty" option by default, OMHO
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> !ltsp-bug | echo markit:
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| 13:18 | <ltsp> markit: ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> :)
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| 13:19 | <markit> alkisg: done https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/975128
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| 13:19 | ;P
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> :D
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| 13:19 | <markit> you teach, I learn (slowly but steadely ;P)
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> zamba: on thin clients without localapps or fat clients, yes, it does have some performance problems
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| 13:20 | <markit> alkisg: btw, for curiosity, where is the code that manages the LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS stuff? is it a script? have to git ltsp source or is in my system?
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> komunista: I think epoptes has 17 untraslated messages, you might want to have a look to have it for precise
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| 13:20 | markit: X01-localapps
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| 13:20 | In your chroot /usr/share/ldm/rc.d
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| 13:20 | <komunista> alkisg: thanks, when is release planned?
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> komunista: I'll do a last upload with just translations before precise's feature freeze, in a few days
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| 13:21 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
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| 13:21 | Maybe April 10th
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| 13:22 | <komunista> OK, I will take look on translation latter in this weekend
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| 13:24 | <ball> Gah, I think Outlook froze again. :-(
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> komunista: ty :)
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| 13:52 | <||cw> know of any efforts to add windows client support to epoptes?
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| 13:53 | doens't looks that hard really
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| 14:02 | <markit> ||cw: I hope never will
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| 14:02 | so we have something better than win world
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| 14:02 | <||cw> heh
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| 14:03 | well, the server would still be linux, and there are commercial packages that can do that for windows
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| 14:03 | <markit> that's not a way to introduce foss to people
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| 14:03 | they will never be free this way, only save money for further M$ licenses
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| 14:04 | if only foss progarm, except few, would no run on MSWin...
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| 14:04 | we could show a lot of good software they can have switching enterely to FOSS
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| 14:04 | current situation is that M$ has all foss (more or less) + all proprietary
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| 14:04 | <||cw> something like epoptes isn't going to be enough.
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| 14:04 | <markit> so the perception is that with GNU/Linux you have much less, no more
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| 14:05 | ||cw: is a good step forward :)
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| 14:05 | <||cw> cad, illustration, and business accounting are what needs worked on
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| 14:05 | <markit> let's produce foss ones
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| 14:05 | <||cw> no it isn't. it's a sysadmin/teacher tool
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| 14:05 | <markit> yep, but school will count about netschool cost or epoptes
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| 14:05 | and since epoptes runs on GNU, they will pick GNU
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| 14:06 | otherwise they pick up windows with one more reason to do so
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| 14:06 | I'm so sad they are porting kde-edu to windows
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| 14:06 | then I will have no more argument for GNU
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| 14:07 | <||cw> I'm not, more market for kde-edu!
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| 14:07 | <markit> market? who cares?
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| 14:07 | the goal is freedom, not market
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| 14:07 | and win people use it as "freeware", just cheap
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| 14:07 | <||cw> market == more eyes == more developers get interested
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| 14:07 | <markit> M$ devs? lol
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| 14:08 | they want to use C#
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| 14:08 | and M$ Studio
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| 14:08 | <||cw> you have a very narrow view
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| 14:08 | <markit> me? :)
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| 14:08 | <||cw> I cut my teeth on visual basic, I exapanded, why do you think they can't?
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| 14:09 | <markit> because M$ world is much wider... why dev for GNU? as you stated, in win you have all you want
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| 14:09 | also free software ported to it
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| 14:09 | so better concentrate to win
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| 14:09 | and avoid "portability"
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| 14:09 | is just a pain in the ass
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| 14:09 | <||cw> foss works best when it doens't matter what the OS is that it runs on. Firefox has proved this pretty well. I'm certain Firefox and mozilla would have died long ago if they didn't have a windows port
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| 14:10 | <markit> I said, with some exceptions
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| 14:10 | one is ff, the other libreoffice
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| 14:10 | and maybe few
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| 14:10 | ||cw: maybe you should start to convince schools to use GNU/linux
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| 14:10 | <||cw> I don't think there's any exception. lets make the OS irrelevant.
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| 14:10 | <markit> present all the programs you have
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| 14:10 | and reply to the objections "by that works on our beloved windows too..."
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| 14:11 | ||cw: if os is irrelevant, stay with already installed M$win is convenient
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| 14:11 | and makes no one aware that PC is not windows
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| 14:11 | <||cw> right now it's NOT irrelevant, I wish it were
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| 14:11 | <markit> and that the Freedom is a real important (fundamental) problem
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| 14:12 | ||cw: with "the cloud" will be irrelevant, but then FOSS will be dead
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| 14:12 | and no one will be anymore free in it's computation
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| 14:12 | <||cw> Freedom means choice.
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| 14:12 | the cloud is bullshit
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| 14:12 | <markit> yes, you are free of eat poison
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| 14:12 | but don't want school to give poison to children
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| 14:13 | ||cw: apple is moving to schools, iPad will be everywhere
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| 14:13 | and "maket" proprietary programs will too
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| 14:13 | also proprietary DRM content
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| 14:13 | we are doomed
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| 14:13 | <||cw> apple has always been strong in schools
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| 14:13 | <markit> btw, I've to do some more tests and I'm in a hurry
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| 14:14 | global kde setttings seem broken with fat or 12.04
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| 14:14 | some of them, actually
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| 19:48 | <markit> hi, anyone knows how disable globally the cache usage of firefox?
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| 20:10 | <Hyperbyte> markit, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Lock_Prefs
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| 20:11 | <markit> Hyperbyte: I know, but was able with 3.6, not with recent versions that seem to ignore setups
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| 20:11 | and googling for a specific version is impossible, they released too many
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| 20:12 | so I'm asking if someone know exactly how to do with i.e. 11.x
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| 20:15 | <Hyperbyte> markit, seems like you'd better ask over at irc.mozilla.org
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> markit: strace -e trace-file firefox 2>&1 | grep -i <part of the filename>
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| 20:21 | That will tell you where firefox looks for a preferences file
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| 20:52 | <markit> ubufox is the key, I suppose: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/810299
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| 20:58 | mm /etc/xul-ext/ubufox.js does not work either
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| 21:26 | <markit> depressing... a trivial thing like setting the default homepage is becoming a nightmare
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| 21:42 | <Hyperbyte> markit, I actually run a script during user login, which modifies prefs.js
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| 21:42 | Or rather ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/prefs.js
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| 21:43 | <markit> I consider this an hack, but thanks for the suggestion
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| 21:43 | I could try purge ubufox too
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| 21:44 | but I've the bad feeling that I'm fighting against a wrong vision of GNU/Linux
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| 21:44 | <Hyperbyte> markit, you consider it a hack, I consider it very useful and very clean
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| 21:44 | <markit> I mean, you should be able to do systemwide settings without read all the source code or become mad
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| 21:44 | <Hyperbyte> I have certain settings in Thunderbird (which also uses the prefs.js system) which I need to set according to a users' profile
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| 21:44 | <markit> Hyperbyte: GNU is a multiuse, setting system wide behaviour should be a basic stuff
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| 21:45 | Hyperbyte: I'm not against your solution for you, just if I will adopt, was because I had to surrender to the "right clean way"
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| 21:45 | <Hyperbyte> markit, point taken.
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| 21:46 | I still think you need to be turning to the Mozilla people for help, not LTSP.
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| 21:46 | Or #ubuntu even maybe.
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| 21:46 | <markit> I'm already in #firefox, only suggestion has been of remove ubufox (that I'm doing right now)
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| 21:46 | <||cw> be nice if that person shared what they found after they "dug deeper into ubuufox"
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| 21:47 | <markit> but this is an "half solution", means that canonical has broken my ability to do such settings
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| 21:47 | ||cw: sorry, what do you mean?
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| 21:47 | <||cw> on the link you posted
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| 21:47 | he never said what the solution was
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| 21:48 | <markit> :) ssssshhh is a secret! ;P
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| 21:48 | <Hyperbyte> And I bet markit will find the solution and append it to that bug. ;-)
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| 21:58 | <markit> mm removing ubufox makes ff show "first run" animation but not the home I want
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| 21:58 | nor if I re-run it
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| 22:20 | <markit> Hyperbyte: ||cw well, he was right, there is a convulted way to set homepage that IS descripted in /etc/xul-ext/ubufox.js
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| 22:20 | in the comment
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| 22:20 | just "unbelivable"
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| 22:20 | and seems just for homepage... cache settings (the two I need) are only partially taken
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| 22:36 | <vagrantc> firefox is so ugly to configure system-wide defaults :(
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| 22:39 | <markit> I've found a BAD solution
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| 22:39 | if you use the settings (options) in firefox
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| 22:39 | you should change: pref("browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled", false);
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| 22:39 | and
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| 22:39 | pref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 0);
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| 22:40 | but if you put those in /etc/xul-ext/ubufox.js
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| 22:40 | only the former is got!!!
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| 22:40 | you can't change the size of the cache, sigh
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| 22:40 | but you can set
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| 22:41 | pref("browser.cache.disk.enabled", false);
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| 22:41 | so cache is not used, but you have no idea from the user interface
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| 22:41 | you could become mad changing visually size and nothing takes effect
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| 22:42 | really fullish
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| 22:42 | fulish
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| 22:42 | well, mad :)
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