IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 19 November 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <johnny> whenever i read kernel hacker/video driver hacker blogs.. i am amazed..
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| 00:00 | crazy .. they are
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| 00:00 | in a good way
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| 00:02 | <sbalneav> Nice, just got most of the ldm parameters moved out of the LTSPManual.xml, and moved into lts.conf.xml
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| 00:03 | Gonna push up my changes and a new .html and pdf and head to bed.
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| 00:08 | <johnny> thanks for yoru work scott
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| 00:08 | pretty amazing stuff
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| 00:08 | don't let the haters get you down :)
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| 00:11 | <sbalneav> Done.
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| 00:11 | I'm heading to bed
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| 00:11 | To sleep, perchance to dream.
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| 00:11 | See you all tomorrow.
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| 07:20 | <lyxan> I'm rather new to ltsp, but I have a debian box running ltsp, and when I boot my PXE Client, everything seems to boot fine, but if I boot into X, my keyboard doesnt work, I presume this is an lts.conf issue, but googling has yet to get me any decent results.. anyone have the know how on this?
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| 07:24 | <Appiah> hmm
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| 07:24 | heard about problems with the mouse
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| 07:24 | but not keyboard
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| 07:25 | dunno if setting XKBMODEL XKBLAYOUT and such in lts.conf will help
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| 07:30 | <lyxan> it's strange, cause if boot into shell mode, login, and do startx.. everything works :-\
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| 07:56 | <lyxan> alright
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| 07:56 | figured that out
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| 07:56 | just re-installed gdm
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| 07:56 | and all works fine now
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| 07:56 | cept now.. I can't login with anything
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| 07:56 | even though there is an /etc/passwd entry
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:48 | lyxan: You might want to check out the docs:
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| 08:48 | !doco
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| 08:48 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> there's a debian section for installation
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| 08:53 | <lyxan> sbalneav, Thanks
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| 08:53 | sbalneav, yeah.. I was following that
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| 08:53 | @ debian install guide
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| 08:53 | but it was very quick, and ..not very detailed
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> lyxan: care to help improve it? :)
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| 08:58 | <lyxan> not sure if I'm really the best canidate
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| 08:58 | I'm actually more of a gentoo person, debian was just what I had sitting on a dl 320 downstairs, so it's what I used.
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> Good morning #ltsp
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| 09:00 | <lyxan> good morning
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| 09:00 | sbalneav, I wouldn't mind helping though
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq!!
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| 09:04 | lyxan: If you'd like to help, we use launchpad to host our upstream stuff, you can check out a copy of the docs with bzr get lp:~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk
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| 09:05 | you could either send me patches, or post a branch on launchpad I could merge from.
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| 09:05 | either way's fine.
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| 09:05 | <lyxan> cool :)
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| 09:10 | <jammcq> sbalneav: those docs are looking very nice
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> Well, the big thing I'm doing now is rationalizing between the LTSPManual.xml, and lts.conf.xml
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| 09:11 | <jammcq> rationalizing or reconciling ?
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> We've got stuff documented in both places, so now that I've modified the toolchain so I can do includes...
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| 09:11 | <ogra> jammcq, once its done we should publish a book ... then we could pay scotties UDS attendance next time :)
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| 09:12 | <jammcq> did you figure out the A4 issue?
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| 09:12 | ogra: sure, i'm all for that
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> I'm moving all the docs concerning lts.conf into the lts.conf.xml file, and then they get <xi:include ..>'d into LTSPManual.
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| 09:13 | <ogra> hmm, no vagrantc yet
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> Hi all, does anyone know of an Virtual-Console-Memory-to-HTML-Converter? Like this (http://www.nu2.nu/scr2htm/) but for Linux? (Ok, this has nothing to do with LTSP except it's for writing an LTSP manual... :D)
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| 09:13 | * ogra would like some advice for ltsp on ARMs | |
| 09:13 | <Q-FUNK> evidently vagrancy is to blame ;)
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hey, anybody from the canadian govt call you about your passport yet?
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> jammcq: I think so, I added some options to the dblatex build. It still SAYS a4 when you go into evinces document info, but it's definitely on letter now.
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| 09:13 | no :)
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| 09:13 | * jammcq is just wondering if he's poked the right people to make things happen | |
| 09:13 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: what's with the passport? delayed?
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| 09:14 | * jammcq might just need to go higher up in the food chain in ottawa | |
| 09:14 | <jammcq> Q-FUNK: just a timing issue on an expired passport
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| 09:15 | <Q-FUNK> ah
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> There was a faint hope I might be able to come down to the uds, but I'm pretty much resigned to sitting this one out. Between waiting for the passport, and the amount of work around here to do... it's not good timing
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> sbalneav: you need a passport to FLY into the US. but driving is a whole different set of rules. no passport requirement until June 2009
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| 09:16 | want me to swing by and pick you up?
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 09:16 | <jammcq> we did 2000 miles easily enough. UDS would be more like 6,000 roundtrip
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| 09:16 | <Q-FUNK> it gets worse all the time. last time I needed to renew my passport, it almost didn't go thru, because I lacked some birthproof from the population registry of QC.
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> Nah, really, I've still got hardy upgrades here to do, and a laptop project that's way behind schedule. I'll join you guys via irc.
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> well, if you aren't going, neither am i
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> I thought you and marlon were going to go anyway?
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> not without our favorite canadian
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> phht
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> ok, 2nd favorite (right behind celine dion)
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| 09:18 | <Q-FUNK> in the end, my dad had to zip by their office. once he got there, the guy hesitated and then said
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| 09:18 | "what the heck, he DOES seem to be your son. there you go. btw, starting next month, I wouldn't have been able to give it to anyone but the individual himself." -"nice to know. what if he lives abroad and has cut all ties to .CA?" -" then he would be fucked."
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> brb, workping...
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| 09:19 | <lyxan> mm
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| 09:21 | <Q-FUNK> I basically came this close to never be able to get another passport ever again. if my dad had bropped by their office just 2 weeks later, I would have had to request a temporary passport, paid a fortune to fly myself into montreal and do all the paperwork on-site in person.
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| 09:23 | and even then, it wasn't exactly clear whether I could have gotten a temporary one, given how I no longer have any valid piece of .CA ID with me
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| 09:27 | the whole thing seems to be rigged to force people to retain ties with the country at all costs.
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| 09:33 | <rjune_> Q-FUNK: where you at now?
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| 09:37 | <Q-FUNK> .fi
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| 09:37 | .fi.eu
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| 09:42 | <Q-FUNK> I've been here for almost 11 years
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| 09:43 | <ogra> in #ltsp ?
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| 09:43 | :)
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| 09:43 | <jammcq> longer than me
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| 09:44 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:48 | <Q-FUNK> heh
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| 09:50 | terminal wars - episode 5 - the bazar strikes back
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| 09:55 | <rjune_> jammcq: you're a slacker apparantly
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| 09:55 | ogra: sent off cv
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| 09:56 | <ogra> ah, finally :)
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| 09:58 | <rjune_> A guy I work with did as well
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| 09:59 | He's probably more suited for the position then I am
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| 09:59 | <Q-FUNK> which position?
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| 09:59 | some ubuntu position at canonical?
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| 10:05 | <rjune_> Q-FUNK: mobile developer
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| 10:05 | ogra: ^^ probably missed that
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| 10:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> anyone in here familiar with kiwi? cyberorg's out atm :(
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| 10:12 | <ogra> kiwi is cryptic
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| 10:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> indeed :(
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| 10:19 | there used to be a one-click install on the kiwi web site that worked like a charm
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| 10:19 | unfortunately, it's now broken
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| 10:19 | <ogra> and doesnt really help if you have to rconfigure anything
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| 10:19 | *re
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| 10:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, well it doesn't work at all now
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| 10:24 | bawww I got it to boot, but no suse screens come up now
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> !opensuse
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| 10:52 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "opensuse" is http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: ^^
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| 11:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> wat :)
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| 11:15 | it appears to be a video driver issue with the 1442.
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| 11:15 | using a thincan, it worked fine out-of-the-box
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| 11:15 | err 1422
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| 11:40 | <LaserJock> sbalneav: get my email?
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| 11:59 | <sbalneav> LaserJock: I'll check
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| 11:59 | I've done a lot of work.
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| 11:59 | toolchain's a bit different
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| 12:07 | <LaserJock> sbalneav: I know :-)
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| 12:08 | sbalneav: the -debian branch should give you a decent package
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> i keep meaning to check out ltsp-docs-trunk ... there seem to be a few cut-and-paste mistakes that i've been meaning to fix
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| 12:09 | <LaserJock> one thing I'm not positive on is the pdf and HTML files are put in /usr/share/doc/ltsp
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| 12:09 | normally we'd put them in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-docs as that's the name of the package
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| 12:09 | <LaserJock> vagrantc: you happen to know any Policy constraint on ^^ ?
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| 12:09 | <PCCB> hi all
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| 12:10 | I am using LTSP 5 from Debian Etch and I made a small change on a Xorg conf so the terminal can start two screens
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> LaserJock: not off the top of my head ...
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| 12:10 | <PCCB> I set the X_CONF to point out to this file and rebooted the terminal
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| 12:11 | <ogra> vagrantc, does recent ltsp build on armel in debian
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| 12:11 | <PCCB> it don't loaded the file
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| 12:11 | how I can start Xorg/LDM manually to test out my config file;;;
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> ogra: i haven't seen any buildd builds of it, but i think i've built it with qemu-system-arm
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| 12:11 | <ogra> weird
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> ogra: experimental is a bit spotty with the buildd's
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| 12:12 | * ogra wonders what makes it show up on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/jaunty_probs.html | |
| 12:12 | <ogra> but i guess i'll have to dig into it
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| 12:12 | * ogra was hoping to get the magic reciepe from vagrantc :) | |
| 12:13 | <vagrantc> ogra: our debian dirs are very much forked at this point :(
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| 12:13 | <ogra> s/forked/ubuntized/ :)
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> i dare say forked
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| 12:14 | <LaserJock> ogra: that makes it sound like a fungus or something ;-)
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| 12:16 | <nubae> vagrantc: my mistakes I take it :D But I read sbalneav has done a whole bunch of fixing and tweaking to the docs recently...
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> ah, looks like sbalneav took care of the issues i was looking at
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| 12:35 | <cdealer__> hey
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| 12:35 | <PCCB> how I can start LDM manually from a shell ?
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> PCCB: this road leads to pain and suffering, but it is possible.
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| 12:37 | <PCCB> in lenny, it works fine
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| 12:38 | but in etch, it don't read me conf file
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| 12:44 | <cdealer__> My clients cant login, the loginscreen appear but can access, have already done a ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image, but nothing helps, Im using ltsp5 with ubuntu 7.10 ... If I remember right I had to put "-X" option in some ltsp file so the ssh could connect... anyone can help me on this ?
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| 12:44 | <johnny> cdealer__, just look in the /var/logs/ldm.log ..
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| 12:46 | <cdealer__> johnny: its necessary to be on a client shell ?
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| 12:48 | <nubae> hi johnny
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> PCCB: what conf file?
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| 12:48 | <PCCB> Xorg Conf
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| 12:48 | Debian (Etch) use XF86CONFIG_FILE and not X_CONF
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| 12:49 | as in Lenny
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> PCCB: so i'm a little unclear as to what the problem is?
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| 12:50 | <cdealer__> johnny: I remember that this version had a missing -X switch on some file used by ltsp to make the client ssh connection ... and if I remember was something inside udev but this Im just guessing
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| 12:50 | <PCCB> Debian (etch) used the option XF86CONFIG_FILE to set Xorg Config file in lts.conf
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| 12:51 | Debian (Lenny) use the option X_CONF to set Xorg Config file in lts.conf
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> PCCB: what is the problem?
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| 12:52 | <PCCB> the problem was that I was thinking that all Debian versions was using the same config options
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| 12:53 | <cdealer__> ....
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> PCCB: and do you understand now?
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| 12:55 | <ogra> actually lenny uses both ;)
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: ssssh.
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| 12:55 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:55 | <PCCB> yes (I was reading ltsp-client and ltsp-client-setup) scripts to discover this
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| 12:58 | <cdealer__> please, a quick help on this... my cli]ents cant pass from the login scree
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| 13:04 | <cdealer__> okay
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| 13:04 | solved
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| 13:04 | port configuration on sshd_config, johnny: ldm.log helped =) thaks
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| 13:07 | <jammcq> hello all
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| 13:08 | <Lns> hi jammcq
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| 13:08 | hi all
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| 13:49 | * _UsUrPeR_ shakes his fist at openSUSE | |
| 13:50 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:50 | * ogra gave up with that when his wrist got sore | |
| 13:50 | * laga snort | |
| 13:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, I'm getting tired of wanking the suse gecko myself as well...
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| 13:51 | * nubae coughs | |
| 13:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh wait... I mean... tired of using the mouse
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| 13:51 | ....to enter commands
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| 13:51 | * _UsUrPeR_ jumps out the window | |
| 13:52 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> anyway, this is killing me. I do things in terminal, and they are immediately over-written
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| 13:53 | and I can't find out where I actually make permanent changes because the menu system was made by the Russian dude who made Tetris
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| 13:53 | If I wanted puzzles, I'd be playing sudoku :(
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| 13:53 | * ogra recommends rosetta ... russian->english | |
| 13:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> :)
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| 14:27 | * Lns scoffs at GUI config overriding terminal config...isn't that bass-ackwards? | |
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| 14:33 | <sbalneav> Gentlemen
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| 14:33 | This is a momentus occasion.
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| 14:33 | <Lns> sbalneav: Dianne... (obligitory family guy quote)
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| 14:34 | <sbalneav> LTSP has, for the first time...
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| 14:34 | a full fledged ltsp.conf.5 manpage
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| 14:34 | <Lns> sbalneav: !!! *applauds*
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| 14:34 | <sbalneav> Check the doco page.
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> oh noe!
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| 14:34 | <sbalneav> PLUS!
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> it's called lts.conf!
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| 14:34 | <Lns> lol
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| 14:34 | <sbalneav> sorry, lts.conf
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 14:34 | * vagrantc figured | |
| 14:35 | <sbalneav> plus, all the sections in the xml source file are included by reference into the LTSPManual.xml file
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| 14:35 | <Lns> very nice!
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| 14:36 | <sbalneav> so, if we add or remove a variable, all we need to do is update lts.conf.xml, and the LTSPManual gets updated automatically.
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| 14:36 | <Lns> sbalneav: that was quick work!
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| 14:36 | <sbalneav> I've spent 3 *&&^% days on this one thing alone.
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| 14:36 | <Eghie> !doco
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| 14:36 | <sbalneav> but it's finally done.
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| 14:36 | <ltspbot> Eghie: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> rockin,
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| 14:36 | .
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| 14:36 | * Lns gets sbalneav a beer | |
| 14:37 | <Eghie> that is very cool indeed
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| 14:39 | <Lns> sbalneav: is it fair to assume that this new lts.conf manpage has every possible variable, and not just a subset (like in earlier revisions of the manual/other sources) ?
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| 14:40 | * vagrantc will make sure to add new secret options | |
| 14:40 | <vagrantc> i just added a round of LOCALDEV options, for example
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| 14:42 | <ogra> DONT YOU TELL US !
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| 14:42 | now they are not really secret anymore
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> oh, right.
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| 14:42 | <ogra> and the channel is logged
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| 14:42 | * vagrantc adds a layer of misdirection | |
| 14:43 | <vagrantc> those we're the *real* secret options, you see.
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| 14:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> anyone have a quick bash command that will output ONLY the ip address of eth0?
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| 14:44 | <sbalneav> Lns: No, it's not fair to assume anything at this point.
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i wonder if we can have some sort of "introduced in version" sort of flag with the manual ...
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| 14:44 | <sbalneav> What I'd do is ask ALL LTSP DEVELOPERS to have a look, and if anything's missing, invalid, or wrong, PLEASE TELL ME.
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| 14:44 | <Lns> vagrantc: was just wondering about that
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> i.e. SOME_OPTION_FOO introduced in ldm 2.0.12
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: bzr checkout ldm-docs-trunk, and start addin 'em :)
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| 14:45 | <Lns> It'd be nice if some options are specific to certain versions..of course i guess the manpage would reflect whatever is installed on the system, right?
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> Lns: no
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| 14:45 | it's one man page.
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| 14:45 | <Lns> ok
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: well, i don't know where it should be added, if it should always be included in the generated output, etc.
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| 14:46 | and do we document only released versions?
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| 14:46 | or have ldm-trunk revision #
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| 14:46 | <Lns> sbalneav: "This file gets parsed when ltsp-server starts up." This might be a bit misleading.. can it be reworded to "This file gets parsed when ltsp clients start up." ?
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> Lns: dude, send patches
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| 14:47 | * Lns needs to learn how to :( | |
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| 14:49 | <Lns> sbalneav: besides, you told us to tell you. ;) Of course i'm not a dev...heh
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| 14:49 | <ogra> _UsUrPeR_, /sbin/ip -o -f inet addr show | grep eth0 |sed -e 's,.* \(.*\)/.*,\1,'
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| 14:49 | (in case you didnt get one yet)
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: ifconfig eth0|grep 'inet addr'|sed -e 's/^.*inet addr:\([0-9.]*\) .*$/\1/'
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| 14:49 | lol
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| 14:49 | <ogra> first !
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| 14:49 | :)
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> :P
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| 14:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 14:51 | thank you both
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| 15:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, so I am executing a command that uses the client's own IP address, but in order to use ifconfig, you have to be root
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| 15:02 | how do I bypass this? It's for a single command :(
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| 15:03 | <ogra> huh ?
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| 15:03 | why do you need to be root to run ifconfig ?
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| 15:04 | did you try my line above ?
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| 15:04 | it doesnt use ifconfig
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| 15:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> not yet :)
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| 15:05 | * _UsUrPeR_ had tried his own thing using ifconfig and cut. It, indeed, does not work :( | |
| 15:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'm using yours now :)
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| 15:07 | <sbalneav> Lns: ok, I see it, I'll fix it.
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| 15:08 | <Lns> sbalneav: ok...I'm trying to wrap my non-coder head around patches, too. Any noobie patch howto URLs welcome =)
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| 15:09 | Does anyone know the status on the LDM numlock enable thing? I saw in the irc logs a big conversation the other day about it..just wanted to update one of my curious techs.
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| 15:13 | nm, think i found the patch.
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| 15:17 | <sbalneav> Lns: pushed
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| 15:18 | If people could email me a lit of things so I can fix them, that'd be great
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> Gadi: ok, so we got LOCALDEV_DENY in ltspfs-trunk ... still want gphotofs, cdfs ... anything else?
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| 15:42 | <Gadi> yeah- to make a call to local ltspfsmounter when present
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| 15:42 | which is a mod to udev script and cdpinger
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> hm.
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> and a mod to ltspfsmounter
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| 15:43 | ;)
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| 15:44 | <ogra> huh ? why ltspfsmounter ?
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| 15:44 | * vagrantc suspects Gadi's crazy mount ltspfs locally and export to rdesktop | |
| 15:44 | <ogra> shudder
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| 15:44 | <Gadi> and local apps
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| 15:44 | so we dont go over the network twice
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| 15:45 | * Gadi feels like he has had this conversation a zillion times :) | |
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| 15:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra: code works great. thanks again
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> Gadi: seems like cdfs doesn't build with 2.6.26 kernels ...
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| 15:46 | <ogra> Gadi, i dont doubt that, but i dont see a reason to poke code into three areas
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| 15:46 | <Gadi> poke code?
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| 15:46 | <ogra> if udev doesnt fire why does ltspfsmounter need ot be touched
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| 15:47 | just make sure the udev rules dont fire
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| 15:47 | <Gadi> ?
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| 15:47 | I am so confused
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| 15:47 | <ogra> you want to prevent certain devices from mounting, right ?
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| 15:47 | <Gadi> no - we did that already
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| 15:47 | that was LOCALDEV_DENY
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| 15:47 | <ogra> what is LOCALDEV_DENY then ?
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| 15:48 | <Gadi> that was it
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| 15:48 | its implemented
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| 15:48 | done
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| 15:48 | <ogra> and why the heck do you need to tweak that in ltspfsmounter ?
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| 15:48 | <Gadi> the local ltspfsmounter was for rdesktop and local apps
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| 15:48 | <ogra> still
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| 15:48 | <Gadi> so we have a local automounter
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| 15:48 | <ogra> still
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| 15:49 | there is only one script that needs a tweak ... why do you touch the backend *and* the frontend
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| 15:49 | <Gadi> just want to tweak it so it doesnt put everything in /media/root/<device>
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| 15:49 | <ogra> it wont
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| 15:49 | else teher is a bug in ltspfs
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| 15:49 | <Gadi> ltspfsmounter mounts in /media/$USER/<device>
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| 15:50 | <ogra> no, it doesnt if the udev script doesnt tell it to
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| 15:50 | <Gadi> unless I am wrong, we run ldm as root
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| 15:51 | * ogra desnt really get the reason to deny something in ltspfsmounter | |
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| 15:52 | <Gadi> we're not denying anything there
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| 15:52 | <ogra> ??
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| 15:52 | <Gadi> two separate issues
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| 15:52 | <ogra> Gadi: ok, so we got LOCALDEV_DENY in ltspfs-trunk ... still want gphotofs, cdfs ... anything else?
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| 15:52 | <Gadi> yeah- to make a call to local ltspfsmounter when present
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| 15:52 | <Gadi> right - we are listing features
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| 15:52 | not implementations
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| 15:52 | gphotofs doesnt deny anything either ;)
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| 15:53 | <ogra> so LOCALDEV_DENY is only a tweak to the udev scripts ?
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| 15:53 | <Gadi> yes
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| 15:53 | <ogra> aaah!
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| 15:53 | <Gadi> and it is pushed already
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| 15:53 | :)
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| 15:53 | <ogra> then i totally misunderstood
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| 15:53 | * Gadi nods | |
| 15:53 | <ogra> sorry :)
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| 15:53 | <Gadi> np
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| 15:53 | * Gadi passes ogra a beer and a remote | |
| 15:53 | <ogra> got both already
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| 15:54 | 15h armel build failure fixes today for me
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| 15:54 | but beagleboard.org thin clients at the horizon make it worth the work :)
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| 15:55 | * Gadi shovel coal into the engine of the Ogra ARM Express | |
| 15:55 | <ogra> heh
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| 15:56 | * Gadi can't wait for ogra to find out why he didn't want lts.conf in .../i386... | |
| 15:56 | <Gadi> :D
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| 15:56 | <ogra> :P
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| 15:56 | <ogra> yeah, probably time to develop a fix :)
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| 15:57 | i'll get to that once i have a working arm client :)
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> *sigh* - If only Woody Woodpecker would have gone to the police.... none of this would have ever happened....
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| 15:57 | <ogra> 0.2W are so cool :)
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| 15:57 | <ogra> 1080p DVI displays as well :)
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> :)
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| 15:58 | can't wait
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| 15:58 | makes a nice Symbio thin client
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| 15:58 | <ogra> these devices are so far beyond every x86
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| 15:58 | well http://beagleboard.org/
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| 15:59 | <Gadi> yeah - its sad when your Wii starts looking like the best computer you ever owned
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| 15:59 | <ogra> heh
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| 15:59 | wait for the netbooks to come :)
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| 15:59 | <Gadi> dude - I am so happy with my eeepc
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| 15:59 | I cant wait for more
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| 15:59 | :)
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| 15:59 | <dberkholz> i just ordered a 10" eee
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| 16:00 | it's showing up tomorrow
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> especially with the eeepc kernel
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| 16:00 | <ogra> how long does it last with one battery charde ?
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> its nice
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| 16:00 | <ogra> *charge
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> spec is 8hours on my 901
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| 16:00 | <ogra> haha
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> prolly about 6 with normal usage
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| 16:00 | <ogra> imagine 8 days
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 16:00 | <ogra> with more speed
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> awesome
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| 16:00 | <ogra> and cheaper
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| 16:01 | <Gadi> cant imagine Vista compiled for the ARM
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| 16:01 | <ogra> wont happen
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| 16:01 | * Gadi wonders if the manu can get enough business with Linux | |
| 16:01 | <ogra> if MS gets it they might do Win7
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| 16:01 | but you wont see vista
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| 16:01 | <Gadi> right
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| 16:02 | which means it may be a while before you see good availability of product
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| 16:02 | <ogra> not necessarily
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| 16:02 | there is an initiative for dual arch laptops at many manufacturers
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| 16:03 | yu can switch between x86 and arm
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| 16:03 | on the fly
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> sounds bizarre
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| 16:03 | <ogra> it is (a bit) ...
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| 16:11 | * vagrantc wonders what ogra thinks is truely bizarre if dual-architecture on-the-fly switching is only "a bit" | |
| 16:11 | <jammcq> dual-arch isn't exactly new
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> arm/x86 hybrids?
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| 16:12 | <jammcq> there's a card for the old Apples that lets you run x86 code on a motorola mac
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i'm not in a good position to test gphotofs, as i don't have a gphotofs camera ...
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| 16:12 | <jammcq> and back in the 80's, there was a 370 card for ibm pc's that let them run mainframe code
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> Gadi: and cdfs is borked in debian lenny
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> ok, so nix cdfs
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| 16:13 | lets look for something better
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> jammcq: sure... but this sounds to be implemented differently
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| 16:14 | <jammcq> but at this point, they're just talking about it, so who knows how it's gonna be implemented
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> indeed
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| 16:14 | <jammcq> or even IF it's gonna be implemented
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i'll upgrade the bug on cdfs-src so that it'll either get removed from lenny or fixed
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| 16:17 | <ogra> vagrantc, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2560585344.html
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| 16:18 | <Gadi> finally, a dell model name that makes sense
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| 16:18 | * Gadi thinks they are learning | |
| 16:18 | <Gadi> ogra: does that ARM board have BIOS?
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| 16:19 | <ogra> i havet seen one yet, no idea
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| 16:19 | <Gadi> oh
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| 16:19 | I thought you had begun playing
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| 16:19 | * Gadi doesnt think ARM boards have BIOS | |
| 16:19 | * Gadi wonders if they implement PXE | |
| 16:19 | <jammcq> so it's not really switching on the fly. It's really 2 computers in one
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| 16:19 | <ogra> they use the uboot :)
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| 16:20 | which sbalneav will love :)
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| 16:20 | uboot has netbooting capabilities ...
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| 16:21 | usually in arm you have the kernel sitting in a tiny flash in the HW anyway
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| 16:21 | that makes i.e. wlan clients very easy :)
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| 16:21 | you also rarely have HW that changes which gets us a lot of monolithic stuff back into the kernel
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> heh - cant wait to see "wlan" "client" and "easy" merged into a sentence
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| 16:22 | <ogra> since you need to compile one image per supported board
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| 16:22 | <ogra> so you can as well compile in all drivers needed
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| 16:22 | since the board wont change HW
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| 16:22 | which indeed includes the wlan driver
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| 16:23 | all you need is the wlan setup/tools in intramfs
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| 16:23 | makes it quite easy
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| 16:25 | <jammcq> sounds very nice
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| 16:25 | <sbalneav> Okiedoke people. I'll be on later tonight, doing more doc cleanup, but dont expect to see me active during the day for the next 2 days; I've basically spent all my time at work since Monday getting the manual rationalized, and I'm like, waaaaay behind.
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| 16:26 | I'll still be there in the evenings, tho'
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| 16:26 | <jammcq> cool
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| 16:26 | <sbalneav> See you all later tonight.
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| 16:31 | <Lns> bye sbalneav thank you again =)
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| 16:33 | ogra: holy crap, 0.2W ?? Are those boards capable of running as TCs with a full gnome UI and apps?
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| 16:34 | <ogra> more :)
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| 16:34 | a 600MHz ARM is about equivalent to a 1.5GHz x86
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| 16:35 | the beagelboard is limited to 128M though
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| 16:35 | <Lns> heh, so what! That's awesome!
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| 16:35 | What are they, pico-itx?
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| 16:35 | <ogra> but not long and you will see devices with more ram for the same price
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| 16:36 | <Lns> You could have a hamster in a wheel providing power to a fully loaded ltsp lab (minus server of course) =)
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| 16:36 | <ogra> yeah
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| 16:36 | the awesome piece is the graphics HW
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| 16:37 | <Lns> I see that - that's incredible spec. for such a small machine
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| 16:37 | <ogra> full HD 1080p, DVI/HDMI ...
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| 16:37 | yep
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| 16:37 | <Lns> man...i might need to order one of these just to show it off =p
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| 16:38 | <ogra> they are nice desktop PCs if you run them with SDHC card and xfce
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| 16:38 | and you could drive it by solar power :)
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| 16:40 | <Lns> this sounds like something that SolarNetOne might want to take a look at for their ltsp/solar project
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| 16:40 | <ogra> yeah
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| 16:40 | though you still need extra power for the display
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| 16:41 | <Lns> yeah, that's true. I was about to say, these things would probably be the easiest little things to embed into an LCD
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| 16:49 | I guess now that we have powerful, .2W computers, is to lower the power consumption of LCDs.
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| 16:49 | <jammcq> well, at least OLPC has produced some good there
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| 16:50 | they've created some very low power screens
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| 16:50 | hopefully some of that technology will move to real screens
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| 16:50 | <ogra> yeah, lets see if they end up in future netbooks
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| 18:02 | <cliebow> anyone playing with dell inspiron mini9?
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| 20:05 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, use /sbin/ifconfig, /sbin is not in user's path
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| 20:06 | and which config gets overwritten by GUI, if it does there is a bug
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| 20:09 | <sbalneav> warren: ok, any thing more than "broken" you can give me?
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| 20:10 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, and the GUI was designed by a German GSOC student :)
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| 20:12 | <warren> sbalneav: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12linux-devel-list/2008-November/msg00053.html
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| 20:13 | I have never actually used jetpipe before
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| 20:17 | <sbalneav> Yeah, that doesn't tell me anything more than "broken"
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| 20:18 | So, at this point, not much I can do.
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| 20:18 | <warren> sbalneav: isn't the only change to jetpipe recently the serial printer tihng?
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| 20:18 | <sbalneav> That's right.
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| 20:19 | But Gadi's running it, and it's working for him.
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| 20:19 | I guess see if he can do some of the standard debugging, i.e. is it running, can he telnet to it, etc etc.
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| 20:20 | I can have a look at it again, Gadi made some changes after I helped him with it.
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| 20:20 | Really, it needs a proper restructuring.
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| 20:21 | actually, what it really needs is a C translation so it's nice and small and can be started nicely from udev
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| 20:21 | <warren> from udev?
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| 20:21 | what would trigger iT?
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| 20:21 | <sbalneav> presence of a printer port.
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| 20:22 | /dev/lp0 /dev/usb/lp0, etc.
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| 20:22 | serial it could be started manually
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| 20:23 | HAd a look at the manuals?
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| 20:23 | We've now got a (mostly) complete and correct manpage for lts.conf
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| 20:23 | <johnny> replacing lts-parameters.txt?
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| 20:24 | <sbalneav> Well, I'd like to see it do that eventually. I think most admins would be used to doing a "man lts.conf"
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| 20:24 | Most of the information should be synced up with l-p.txt
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| 20:25 | It's on the doco page
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| 20:25 | !doco
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| 20:25 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 20:25 | <johnny> pick one.. drop the other :)
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| 20:25 | replace it with text that tells them to use man
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| 20:25 | <sbalneav> Have a look, see what you think
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| 20:26 | the cool thing is, I've managed to coalesce all the lts.conf parameters into lts.conf.xml in the doc tree, and I simply <xi:include /> the relevent sections into LTSPManual as needed.
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| 20:27 | so, if we add a new variable to lts.conf.xml, the manual gets automatically updated as well.
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| 20:27 | It's grouped into rough sections: general, scripts, X, ldm, keyboard, mouse
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| 20:28 | within those sections, it's a jumble. I'm at two minds to either organize alphabetically or in oder of importance.
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| 20:28 | <johnny> both?
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| 20:29 | <sbalneav> Well, currently it's "random"
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| 20:29 | <johnny> hehe
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| 20:29 | <sbalneav> so anything's better
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| 20:29 | <johnny> alpabetically by category
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| 20:29 | <sbalneav> But for the LDM section, LDM_DIRECTX wouldn't come at the top, even though it's arguably the most important
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| 20:30 | * sbalneav shrugs | |
| 20:30 | <sbalneav> I can analyse this to death I support
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| 20:30 | suppose
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| 20:30 | alphabetical within section's prolly the most sensible
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| 20:31 | Anywho, I'm sitting in a cafe at the moment waiting for my kid to come out of his music lesson, so I'll have to go soon.
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| 20:31 | But I'll be on again as soon as I get home.
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| 20:31 | <johnny> sbalneav, well. you can always put a lil js in the html version to sort it in a different way :)
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| 20:31 | <sbalneav> 9:30 localtime or so.
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| 20:32 | Oh, jimminy. That's a bit beyond me.
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| 20:32 | I'm happy that I'm getting close to reasonably complete docs.
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| 20:32 | Oops kids here
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| 21:13 | <stgraber> sbalneav: hey, I'm currently working on preparing the migration for everyone in our office to Intrepid and one of the things I was testing today was ldm and the session/language picking part. I remember we were discussing using .gdmrc a back ago, was there any progress on that ?
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| 21:13 | s/gdmrc/dmrc/
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| 21:18 | <johnny> not that i heard of..
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| 21:22 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 21:22 | <johnny> this man would know :)
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| 21:22 | <stgraber> sbalneav: ^
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| 21:23 | <sbalneav> stgraber: No, I've not looked at it, but theoretically, all we'd need to do would be to write an rc script that greps the .dmrc, and sets LDM_SESSION accordingly
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| 21:23 | Hm
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| 21:23 | No, that wouldn't quite work
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| 21:24 | since setting an environment var in the rc.d wouldn't get propagated up to the parent env.
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| 21:24 | <stgraber> sbalneav: except if we make the session open a rc.d script
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| 21:25 | sbalneav: so we source each of them, we could then change the environment in the rc.d scripts
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| 21:27 | <sbalneav> Yeah, maybe
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| 23:00 | <Ryan52> sbalneav, stgraber: what are you talking about? the .dmrc is done on a per user basis...so it would have to happen after the user enters their password. so, how would the rc.d script be sourced from a c program? or am I missing something?
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| 23:03 | <stgraber> Ryan52: we are talking ldm rc.d
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| 23:05 | Ryan52: so in an ideal world (from my point of view), the user enters his login and password, then the SSH link is established and the ldm rc.d scripts are sourced one after the other. One of the first ones woul be to either load the .dmrc or save the user choice to the .dmrc, then executes some more rc scripts (localapps, ...) and finally the last rc script would be the session itself
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| 23:06 | so the script that reads/writes the .dmrc can change LC_ALL for all the following including the session that's started at the end
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| 23:06 | <Ryan52> ya, ok.
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| 23:06 | <stgraber> the current problem is that we can do a rc.d script that reads the .dmrc in the user directory but this one can't change the parent environment so it's just useless
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| 23:07 | or we need to put that in ldm itself (I'd prefer not to get and parse a .dmrc from the server in ldm itself :))
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| 23:07 | <Ryan52> so, are the ldm rc.d scripts ran on the server or the thin client?
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| 23:07 | <sbalneav> the thin client.
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| 23:08 | Ryan52: BTW, we have an lts.conf man page now.
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| 23:08 | <stgraber> Ryan52: thin client but you can run anything you want on the server as you have the ssh socket
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| 23:08 | <Ryan52> sbalneav: wrt to man page, in the documentation branch? or in ldm-trunk?
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| 23:09 | ok, I see.
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| 23:09 | <sbalneav> in the documentation branch
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| 23:09 | lts.conf.xml
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| 23:12 | <Ryan52> stgraber: why does it have to be a rc.d script? it could just be some script installed with ldm that outputs "LANGUAGE=blah\nSESSION=other_blah\n", then ldm could just look at that...I guess it's not the best, but...
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| 23:13 | <warren> Ryan52: you can only read the user's .dmrc after login
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| 23:14 | <Ryan52> warren: yes, I realize that, so?
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| 23:14 | I mean, ldm could run the script, and look at it's output.
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| 23:14 | or, just do all of it in c :p
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| 23:16 | <warren> i might be missing something
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| 23:17 | I'm totally in favor of that.
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| 23:19 | <stgraber> Ryan52: well, it'd need changing quite a few things to ldm to first authenticate, doing the LTSPROCKS thing, then if that worked, run another command getting or updating the .dmrc, then starting the session with the right parameters. Sounds easier to just move the session part to a rc.d script
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| 23:20 | <stgraber> you can then do some other funny things like using ldm for login but not actually starting a X session, only a local xterm instead but with sshfs mounted and the ssh socket ready. I don't really have any use case for that yet but it may be useful :)
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| 23:22 | <stgraber> anyway, it's late here, see you guys tomorrow
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| 23:24 | <sbalneav> Night
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| 23:27 | !doco
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| 23:28 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 23:29 | <alkisg> sbalneav, good job! :) Is it possible to also upload a formatted man page? Like e.g. http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ssh+1
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| 23:30 | !lts.conf
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| 23:30 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 23:30 | <sbalneav> alkisg: right click lts.conf.5, click "save link as..."
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| 23:31 | sudo cp lts.conf.5 /usr/share/man/man5
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| 23:31 | man lts.conf
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| 23:31 | formatted copy!!!
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| 23:31 | <alkisg> sbalneav, not for personal use, to give users asking about lts.conf parameters something to read
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| 23:31 | <sbalneav> No plans at the moment.
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| 23:31 | <alkisg> Because http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf is a little outdated...
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| 23:31 | ok, ty!
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| 23:32 | <sbalneav> but all the same params are in LTSPManual.pdf
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| 23:32 | in fact, I simply <xi:include> sections from lts.conf.xml into LTSPManual.xml
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| 23:33 | so if they look in the manual, it's the same as the manpage.
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| 23:33 | <alkisg> OK... So I'll just point them to the .pdf then
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| 23:33 | <sbalneav> yep.
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| 23:33 | or
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| 23:33 | tell them right click sudo cp etc :)
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| 23:34 | <alkisg> Heh! It's great, I've been waiting for this "man lts.conf"!!! :D
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| 23:35 | I hope it's included in the next version of ltsp-server
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| 23:35 | <sbalneav> It'll probably end up as a standalone package.
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| 23:36 | ltsp-docs, or the like.
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| 23:36 | since I can't separate the LTSPManual and lts.conf xml files, since they depend on each other.
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| 23:37 | I also want to pull together a bunch of disparate notes, docs, protocol specs, etc. and create an
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| 23:37 | LTSPDeveloper.xml file
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| 23:37 | for new (and old) developers.
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| 23:37 | coding styles, bzr workflow, etc.
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| 23:38 | <alkisg> sbalneav, that would be great
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| 23:39 | <Ryan52> sbalneav: that reminds me. do you still have the documentation for the new protocol of the Qt branch? I only got it through a pastie link, and now I lost that. if so, can you forward it to me?
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| 23:43 | <sbalneav> I don't have it either
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| 23:43 | I never got it from chrisinajar :(
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| 23:43 | THATS one of the things I want to put in there.
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| 23:45 | <Ryan52> okay, grepping through irc logs I found the pastebin of it...though I think we changed it a bit...the only change I remember is adding a guest command for teh client to send instead of "user @GUEST@". pastebin.com/f3dccbb76
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| 23:48 | <sbalneav> ok, snagged it.
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| 23:48 | Guys, i'm bushed.
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| 23:49 | I've done 3 solid days of doco.
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| 23:49 | going to bed.
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| 23:49 | night all
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| 23:49 | <Ryan52> bye
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