IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 7 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:37 | <highvoltage> cyberorg: howdy
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| 02:37 | <cyberorg> hi highvoltage :)
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| 02:37 | <highvoltage> cyberorg: ooh, you're here! :)
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| 02:37 | cyberorg: I'm helping a colluege with kiwi-ltsp, and hoped that you can give us some advice. we got the client to boot up and log in
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| 02:38 | cyberorg: but we get a black screen with a cursor no matter what session we choose
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| 02:39 | <cyberorg> highvoltage, tried different client?
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| 02:39 | <highvoltage> cyberorg: yes
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| 02:39 | <cyberorg> same on all?
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| 02:39 | <highvoltage> cyberorg: only testing with two laptops as clients atm, not a production lab at least
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| 02:40 | <cyberorg> different hardware/monitors on both clients?
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| 02:40 | <highvoltage> yep
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| 02:40 | the hardware seems fine, it shows an x cursor
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| 02:41 | <cyberorg> highvoltage, can user log in normally on the server?
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| 02:41 | <highvoltage> we did change the IP address on the server, so I'm not sure if there's a lingering old address around
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| 02:41 | cyberorg: yes
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| 02:41 | <cyberorg> ah, if you did, run "kiwi-ltsp-setup -c"
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| 02:41 | *changed server IP
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| 02:42 | <highvoltage> cyberorg: ok, just did it. holding thumbs :)
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| 02:43 | <cyberorg> highvoltage, changed the server IP in /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp too?
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| 02:43 | <highvoltage> cyberorg: working fine now, thanks
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| 02:44 | cyberorg: yes, I did it there manually before. I think that it might have had something to do with the server's ssh keys that had to be regenerated
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| 02:44 | cyberorg: thanks a lot
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| 02:44 | <cyberorg> yes that was it :)
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| 02:44 | nice to see ubuntu/member helping out with opensuse testing :)
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| 02:45 | thanks for that :)
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| 02:46 | <highvoltage> heh :)
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| 02:46 | <cyberorg> feedback/suggestions welcome when you are done
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| 02:47 | <Hyperbyte> Hi, anyone here who has experience with LTSP and Fedora?
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| 02:47 | I have some questions about localapps & sound... I haven't managed to get either working yet...
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| 02:48 | <cyberorg> Hyperbyte, just ask, if someone knows they might be able to help
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| 02:48 | <Hyperbyte> cyberorg, alright... just wanted to make sure I wasn't talking to a wall. :P
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| 02:48 | LocalApps - as far as I've read on the LTSP wiki, you should be able to launch applications with some ssh or rsh command to the terminal
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| 02:49 | However this always results in connection failed on port 22. Any ideas what went wrong?
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| 02:49 | <cyberorg> Hyperbyte, no, people are always lurking here, even though they might not respond immediately
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| 02:49 | <Hyperbyte> I have NIS & NFS operational... LOCAL_APPS, NIS_SERVER and NIS_DOMAIN set in the LTSP config...
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| 02:50 | <cyberorg> Hyperbyte, we use "ltsp-localapps /usr/bin/command" from client session
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| 02:50 | <Hyperbyte> Oh really?
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| 02:50 | <johnny> if his fedora build has been updated
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| 02:50 | <cyberorg> Hyperbyte, ltsp5 does it differently than what is on ltsp wiki
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| 02:50 | Hyperbyte, you need app installed in chroot
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| 02:50 | <Hyperbyte> It's freshly installed (Fedora 9) and updated johnny.
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| 02:50 | <johnny> doesn't mean there is a package for what is newest yet
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| 02:51 | <cyberorg> Hyperbyte, idea is explained briefly here: http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Localapps
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| 02:52 | <Hyperbyte> cyberorg, nice! That should help me getting started.
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| 02:53 | Okay... I'll give localapps another go in a while...
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| 02:53 | <cyberorg> Hyperbyte, commands, and the theory are same on F9, installing package in chroot is different
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| 02:53 | <Hyperbyte> cyberorg, actually, what I did last time I needed to install a package directly on the client, was mount / read/write and just run yum....
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| 02:53 | Seemed to work nicely...
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| 02:54 | <cyberorg> Hyperbyte, yes that would work even now
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| 02:54 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 02:54 | Okay, well, thanks a bunch so far. :) This has been a great help.
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| 02:54 | <cyberorg> just check if you have localapps scripts installed in chroot and on the server
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| 02:54 | <Hyperbyte> I will. :)
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| 02:55 | Next I have the issue of the sound not working... I talked to Warren and he said it should work out-of-the-box on Fedora
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| 02:55 | I've tested sound on the terminal client with aplay... works... I've tested sound on the terminal.. works too
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| 02:56 | <cyberorg> Hyperbyte, run paman and see if you have connection to the client pa
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| 02:56 | <Hyperbyte> However everytime I boot the terminal into a Gnome session via LTSP, it says it cannot open the sound device, or fails to open the stream...
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| 02:58 | No paman... hang on...
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| 03:00 | Okay, I have paman.
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| 03:01 | Under tab 'Clients' I see a bunch of lines with "EsounD client..." etc, from my terminal client IP
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| 03:17 | <Hyperbyte> cyberorg, got local apps working - thanks!
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| 03:18 | <cyberorg> Hyperbyte, cool, it would be great if you can put that up somewhere on wiki for all fedora users
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| 03:20 | <Hyperbyte> cyberorg, I'll think about it. It's incredibly easy too, just not written down anywhere yeah.
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| 03:20 | Adjust lts.conf and run rexec...
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| 03:21 | I read somewhere that it should be done via rsh/ssh... it all went downhill from there. ;)
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| 03:22 | But is there no LTSP 5 wiki?
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| 03:22 | Because most of the info on the wiki seems a little outdated.
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| 03:25 | <cyberorg> Hyperbyte, there must be one on fedora wiki
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| 03:30 | <johnny> documentation is being worked on right now
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| 03:30 | Hyperbyte,
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| 03:30 | here is one of the fellows working on it right now ..
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| 03:30 | * johnny waves to nubae | |
| 03:40 | <Hyperbyte> Hehehe
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| 03:40 | Well, if someone helps me to get sound working I'll write a step-by-step guide for Fedora 9 on how to get localapps & sound working. :P
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| 03:41 | Anyway right now I'm as happy as a child... got the twinkle softphone working as a local app. :)
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| 03:45 | <johnny> sound..
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| 03:45 | is pulseaudio running on the client?
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| 03:46 | and is it also running on your user account when logged in ?
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| 03:46 | with the gconf-helper
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| 03:46 | <Hyperbyte> I have no idea. How do I check? :)
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| 03:46 | cyberorg already asked me to run paman... and that does show client/server connections.
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| 03:47 | I actually had a hunch that maybe the local user doesn't have permissions to play sound on the terminal?
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| 03:47 | <johnny> doubtful
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| 03:47 | the local user is root
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| 03:48 | oh..
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| 03:48 | wait.. is your sound problem just for local apps?
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| 03:48 | <Hyperbyte> No
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| 03:48 | Local apps work on both client and server
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| 03:48 | <johnny> then the local user doesn't matter probably
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| 03:48 | <Hyperbyte> But remote apps from server don't work on client
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| 03:48 | <johnny> not yet anyways
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| 03:48 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 03:48 | <johnny> set LDM_DEBUG_TERMINAL=T in lts.conf
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| 03:49 | hopefully your ltsp-client is new enough
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| 03:49 | you should end up with an xterm that runs locally
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| 03:49 | <Hyperbyte> 5.1.23.1
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| 03:49 | <johnny> i haven't looked in versions in awhile..
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| 03:49 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, erm...
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| 03:49 | I could just press CTRL+ALT+F2?
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| 03:49 | Or?
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| 03:50 | If a local terminal is what you want, I have it...
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| 03:53 | <Hyperbyte> Anyway, rebooting clientwith config option set produced no terminal...
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| 03:55 | <johnny> guess it's too old..
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| 03:55 | ok.. yeah it's just nice to twiddle both on the same screen
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| 03:55 | is pulse there?
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| 03:56 | <Hyperbyte> ?
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| 03:56 | What do you mean?
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| 03:56 | pulseaudio is installed...
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| 03:56 | Also seems to be running
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| 04:00 | <johnny> yes.. is it running?
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| 04:00 | good
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| 04:00 | <Hyperbyte> ps aux | grep pulseaudio tells me it's running. :)
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| 04:00 | <johnny> so.. now what you might want to do
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| 04:01 | is check the volume levels in alsamixer
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| 04:01 | make sure it is all well
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| 04:01 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I will
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| 04:01 | <johnny> hmm.. take a look at the bzr branch of ltsp-upstream to try to match what went in after your package
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| 04:02 | i'm trying to fix my web server atm
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| 04:02 | <Hyperbyte> But maybe we're a step too far... the programs cannot even seem to -access- the sound device... so...
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| 04:02 | <johnny> well.. next would be to try to run something that can play with pulse locally
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| 04:02 | by copying some audio file and installing a player that has pulse support
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| 04:02 | <Hyperbyte> What's a common one?
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| 04:02 | Maybe it's already installed...
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| 04:02 | <johnny> depends on the audio file
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| 04:03 | mpg123 can support pulse.. not sure if the one in fedora does tho
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| 04:03 | <Hyperbyte> Wave, mp3, ogg, raw... whatever you want.
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| 04:19 | <nubae> hi johnny
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| 04:24 | johnny: would u mind taking a look over my fatclient script? It all works quite well for intrepid...
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| 04:25 | only if u have time
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| 04:33 | <Q-FUNK> ahoy!
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| 04:34 | <johnny> nubae, no intrepid install yet
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| 04:34 | i'll look at it tho
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| 04:35 | <nubae> it should install on hardy too
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| 04:35 | it will install intrepid chroot though
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| 04:35 | hi Q-FUNK
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| 04:36 | <Q-FUNK> nubae: hi there! any news?
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| 04:38 | <nubae> not yet, these guys are slow as mollases, we just had an election here though, so things should speed up now
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| 04:45 | <Q-FUNK> ;)
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| 05:04 | <ltsppbot> "Nubae" pasted "fatclient script" (214 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/23
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| 05:18 | <nubae> damn network manager
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| 05:19 | it resets static addresses every time in intrepid
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| 05:19 | hope thats fixed before launch
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| 05:20 | johnny: did u get the fat client script post? I pasted via pastebot
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| 05:27 | <ogra> nubae, you can participate in the discussion on ubuntu-devel@ ;)
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| 05:28 | nubae, fle a bug if you want to, thogh NM wont manage static devices that have an entry in /etc/network/interfaces by release, it can be told to do so ... which will mean dhcpd will break because NM starts the interface to late
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| 05:29 | <nubae> how much traffic is on ubuntu-devel@?
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| 05:29 | already signed up for 10 mailings lists :p
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| 05:30 | <ogra> not much
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| 05:31 | <nubae> k, I'll sign up
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| 05:31 | <ogra> ubuntu-devel-discuss has more :)
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| 05:35 | <nubae> hey, this is kinda unrelated... but maybe u can advise... I need to cross link 2 sql databases, ie fields and tables in one database get linked to different fields and database in another
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| 05:36 | I'm thinking of using navicat, but perhaps there is a better way?
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| 05:36 | I want to stay away from building a xml abstraction layer
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| 05:36 | <ogra> use sql ?
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| 05:37 | <nubae> isnt there some easy way to just visually pair up the fields to each other?
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| 05:39 | <ogra> an index ?
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| 05:39 | <nubae> hmm true, guess it doesnt matter if the databases are remote
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| 06:03 | <nubae> is there a irc log for #ltsp somewhere?
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| 06:03 | <ogra> nope
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| 06:04 | <nubae> hmmm shame
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| 06:08 | <nubae> u think it would be ok, to stick a bot up here for that purpose?
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| 06:11 | <ogra> sure, just make it public where the logs go and make them accessibe for everyone
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| 06:11 | or better, talk to sbalneav and submit a patch to get ltspbot do it on ltsp.org
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| 06:12 | afaik its a simply supybot
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| 06:12 | *simple
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| 06:12 | <nubae> yeah combined with a php script, I'll stick it up on my blog and on ltsp
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| 06:13 | <nubae> theres a lot of content, and I notice myself often wishing I could go back and see what was said
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| 06:22 | <sag007> hi room i installed ltsp...after rebooting it my fedora 9 is not booting
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| 06:23 | its saying that cannot register my network interface card (
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| 06:24 | do i need additional configurations to get things work
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| 06:24 | ?
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| 06:33 | <nubae> btw, doing set PULSE_SERVER=127.0.0.1 does not work in Intrepid, it needs some other patches to get sound working
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| 06:37 | sag007: just no one from Fedora around
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| 06:37 | most devs here are ubuntu or debian based
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| 06:37 | <sag007> oh
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| 06:37 | oh
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| 06:37 | hmm
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| 06:37 | <nubae> have u looked at the fedora ltsp docs?
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| 06:37 | <sag007> nubae will installing ltsp prevent system from booting?
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| 06:37 | yeah
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| 06:38 | i just installed ltsp
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| 06:38 | <nubae> it shouldn't no
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| 06:38 | <sag007> and used ltsp-admin to download additional tools
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| 06:38 | my fedora is not booting up
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| 06:38 | <ogra> sag007, warren does the fedora port but he is on US timezone, for expertise just wait a bit :)
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| 06:38 | <nubae> ltsp-admin?
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| 06:38 | <sag007> ok
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| 06:38 | <ogra> ltsp-admin ??
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| 06:38 | <sag007> yeah
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| 06:38 | <ogra> thats ltsp 4.x
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| 06:39 | <ogra> not supported anymore
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| 06:39 | <sag007> oh
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| 06:39 | should i try the new one?
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| 06:40 | <ogra> with FC9 ? definately
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| 06:40 | <sag007> yeah
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| 06:40 | i am using FC9
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| 06:40 | ok
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| 06:40 | <ogra> warren will e able o help you
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| 06:40 | <sag007> ok
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| 06:41 | then i will wait for warren
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| 06:41 | i am doing a project on thin clients
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| 06:41 | <nubae> yes: http://wtogami.livejournal.com/23648.html
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| 07:33 | <nubae> http://www.liliputing.com/2008/10/dell-inspiron-mini-with-ubuntu-linux-hits-the-uk.html
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| 07:47 | <Hyperbyte> sag007: you there?
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| 07:53 | <sag007> yeah
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| 07:54 | Hyperbyte
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| 07:54 | there
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| 07:54 | i am here
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| 07:54 | Hyperbyte there?
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| 07:57 | <Hyperbyte> Hey!
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| 07:57 | Fedora 9 LTSP user here...
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| 07:57 | I'm quite new to LTSP, but maybe I can help you.
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| 07:57 | What's up?
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| 07:57 | <sag007> ok
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| 07:58 | i just installed ltsp-utils ltsp-server xinitd
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| 07:58 | using yum
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| 07:58 | after the reboot my system is not booting up
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| 07:59 | <Hyperbyte> Where does it stop?
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| 07:59 | <sag007> not even loading the init scripts
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| 07:59 | it stops before the welcome note "Welcome to fedora"
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| 07:59 | <Hyperbyte> Are you installing a new system?
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| 08:00 | <sag007> new system?
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| 08:00 | <Hyperbyte> Does it matter if you recover this one, or can you just reinstall it?
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| 08:00 | <sag007> i can reinstall it i am using the older kernel
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| 08:01 | the old kernel (previous version)
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| 08:01 | is working
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| 08:01 | <Hyperbyte> Okay, well, getting LTSP to work on Fedora is pretty easy...
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| 08:01 | <sag007> ok
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| 08:01 | <Hyperbyte> What I did is just do a basic install of Office & Productivity Fedora
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| 08:02 | <sag007> oh
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| 08:02 | <nubae> Hyperbyte: hes running 4.2
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| 08:02 | <Hyperbyte> Then run "yum upgrade" to update your system to the latest versions...
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| 08:02 | <sag007> yeah
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| 08:02 | can i get ltsp through yum?
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| 08:02 | <Hyperbyte> Then "yum install ltsp-client ltsp-server ltsp-utils"... finally ltsp-build-client... and then all that's left is configure DHCP
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| 08:02 | If you use PXE boot that is...
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| 08:03 | My advice is get the latest Fedora and just use yum... gets you there 90% of the way.
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| 08:03 | <sag007> ok
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| 08:04 | <Hyperbyte> Installs LTSP5 automagically...
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| 08:04 | :)
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| 08:04 | <sag007> i have one dhcp server in my network...(i cannot make change to this) if i install dhcp server in my machine will it cause any race conditions?
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| 08:05 | <Hyperbyte> Don't install a dhcpd on your terminal server
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| 08:05 | Just use your existing one
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| 08:05 | <sag007> oh
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| 08:05 | <ogra> Hyperbyte, erm, you definately shouldnt install ltsp-client on the server
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| 08:05 | <sag007> ok
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| 08:05 | <ogra> <Hyperbyte> Then "yum install ltsp-client ltsp-server ltsp-utils"... finally ltsp-build-client... and then all that's left is configure DHCP
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| 08:05 | thats wrong
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| 08:05 | remove ltsp-client from that list
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| 08:05 | <Hyperbyte> ogra: why not? ltsp-client provides "ltsp-build-client", which you need to get things running, no?
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| 08:05 | <ogra> no
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| 08:06 | ltsp-server provides "ltsp-build-client"
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| 08:06 | <ogra> ltsp-client is only installed *inside* the client chroot by running "ltsp-build-client"
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| 08:06 | <Hyperbyte> ogra: that's what I *assumed* as well.
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| 08:06 | <ogra> never install that package on the server itself, else you trash your bootprocess
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| 08:06 | <Hyperbyte> ogra: but check... ltsp-client does provide ltsp-build-client
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| 08:06 | And it didn't trash my boot process either...
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| 08:06 | <sag007> yeah that happened to me ogra
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| 08:07 | <ogra> http://wtogami.livejournal.com/23648.html
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| 08:07 | <sag007> i installed ltsp-client
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| 08:07 | <ogra> that has proper instructions for fedora
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| 08:07 | <sag007> and its not booting up
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| 08:07 | <ogra> right
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| 08:07 | <sag007> is that any way i can recover it?
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| 08:08 | <ogra> no idea
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| 08:08 | <sag007> ok
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| 08:08 | <ogra> i never used fedora
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| 08:08 | <sag007> ok
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| 08:08 | <ogra> yum install ltsp-server && ltsp-build-client
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| 08:08 | that should be the essential commands you need to start
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| 08:08 | echo "/opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash)" >> /etc/exports
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| 08:08 | ifup ltspbr0
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| 08:09 | for service in xinetd ltsp-dhcpd rpcbind nfs sshd; do chkconfig $service on; service $service start; done
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| 08:09 | for server in ldminfod nbdrootd nbdswapd; do chkconfig $server on; done
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| 08:09 | that should be the post install lines you need
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| 08:09 | <sag007> ok
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| 08:09 | <Hyperbyte> ogra: are you sure all that is required in Fedora?
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| 08:09 | <ogra> (grabbing from the blog entry here, there might be one ot the other thing missing warren can coment on)
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| 08:09 | <Hyperbyte> Because ltsp seems to work fine for me out-of-the-box...
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| 08:10 | <ogra> Hyperbyte, no idea, i just looked at the install instructions at warrens blof
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| 08:10 | *blog
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| 08:10 | its definately not needed in ubuntu, thats something i can tell you ;)
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| 08:10 | <sag007> i want to boot some thin clients, i need tftp server and the kernel i guess
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| 08:11 | do you have any ideas about this guys?
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| 08:11 | <ogra> (nor in debian)
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| 08:11 | <Hyperbyte> ogra, I'm still a bit confused though. According to yum you are indeed right and ltsp-server provides the build client binary... but according to phone.net ltsp-client provides the build client binary...
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| 08:11 | <warren> what the hell is phone.net?
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| 08:11 | <Hyperbyte> Guess I got confused somewhere... anyway ltsp-client hasn't screwed up my boot process yet... guess I'll leave it out on my production server nonetheless...
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| 08:11 | *pbone.net
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| 08:11 | <warren> ltsp-client does not provide client binaries
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| 08:12 | ltsp-client makes a chroot into a ltsp-client
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| 08:13 | Hyperbyte: did you install fedora from the live ltsp server media?
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| 08:13 | <Hyperbyte> Nope.
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| 08:14 | Regular Fedora 9 install...
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| 08:14 | <warren> ok, if you install it with regular fedora 9, then did you follow the instructions on the k12linux homepage?
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| 08:15 | https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide
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| 08:16 | <Hyperbyte> warren: yes and no... I skipped 6, 7 and 8
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| 08:16 | And apparently also accidentially installed ltsp-build-client
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| 08:16 | <warren> huh
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| 08:17 | <Hyperbyte> ** ltsp-client
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| 08:17 | <warren> why did you skip 6, 7 and 8?
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| 08:17 | you don't want ltsp-client no the server
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| 08:17 | on the server
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| 08:17 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, I get that now... I did a google for what provides ltsp-build-client and it said ltsp-client. :S Guess I got confused there.
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| 08:17 | <warren> " I did a google for what provides ltsp-build-client and it said ltsp-client. :S Guess I got confused there."
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| 08:18 | that is wrong.
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| 08:18 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, I see now..
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| 08:18 | <ogra> http://www.google.de/search?q=what+provides+ltsp-build-client&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:de:unofficial&client=firefox-a
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| 08:18 | that definately gets me the ubuntu ltsp-server package as the first three hits :)
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| 08:19 | <Hyperbyte> ogra: http://www.google.com/search?q=rpm+%22ltsp-build-client%22
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| 08:19 | :)
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| 08:19 | But I didn't read carefully enough, I might've been sleeping at the time.
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| 08:19 | warren: anyway, I skipped 6, 7 and 8 because I already have a network server here doing all those things...
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| 08:20 | <warren> then you have a custom deployment outside of the scope of the documentation
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| 08:20 | Hyperbyte: the documentation assumes the simplest kind of deployment, which is an isolated network segment
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| 08:20 | <Hyperbyte> warren: yeah, I noticed...
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| 08:21 | <ogra> warren, you should make 6, 7 and 8 a ltsp-build-client plugin ;)
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| 08:21 | <Hyperbyte> Figured it would work anyways though, which it did nicely.
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| 08:22 | <warren> ogra: not really
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| 08:22 | <Hyperbyte> warren: I have a server here doing routing between clients, internet and ltsp-server. It also does dhcpd and NIS+NFS...
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| 08:22 | warren: works without problems.
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| 08:22 | <ogra> warren, why not ? it saves work
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| 08:22 | <warren> ltsp-server is really confusing
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| 08:22 | <ogra> and there is nothing in it you cant check for automatically so you wont trash user setups
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| 08:23 | <warren> most of that is true.
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| 08:24 | <sag007> where can i know what is ltsp-server used for ltsp-client ltsp-build-client used for guys
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| 08:25 | sorry about my bad english
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| 08:26 | <warren> ogra: we really need to go ahead with the proposed split of ldm
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| 08:27 | ogra: ldm-client an ldm-server (containing ldminfod)
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| 08:27 | <ogra> feel free
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| 08:27 | <sag007> oh whats that ldm
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| 08:27 | <ogra> err, no
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| 08:27 | <warren> eh?
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| 08:27 | <ogra> ldminfo and ldm rather :)
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| 08:27 | <sag007> where can i find some documentation warren
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| 08:27 | <ogra> dont change the old name please
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| 08:27 | <warren> isn't ldm-server a lot more clear of a package name?
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| 08:27 | <ogra> then call it ldminfo-server
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| 08:28 | that describes it even more precisely
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| 08:28 | <warren> ldm-client and ldm-server at least would match each other.
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| 08:28 | <ogra> changing ldm just produces a painful package transition
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| 08:28 | so please keep that
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| 08:29 | we had that with ldm vs ldm2 before
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| 08:29 | <warren> painful package transition?
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| 08:29 | <ogra> and decided to keep ldm
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| 08:29 | for me that means a week of paperwork, main inclusion reports, new security reviews etc in ubuntu ... i guess for vagrant its similar
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| 08:30 | <cyberorg> nubae, you got ldm-trunk working, i still get endless creating xauth errors on todays snapshot too
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| 08:30 | <ogra> thats pointless
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| 08:30 | lets just keep ldm as is ... and add ldminfo-server
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| 08:30 | i would even buid it from the same source
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| 08:30 | but split out a separate binary
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| 08:30 | <nubae> same here, ldm doesnt work
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| 08:31 | <ogra> like we do with ldm-themes already
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| 08:31 | (though thats ubuntu specific (themes i mean))
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| 08:32 | <warren> you mean add ldminfod to the ldm source tree?
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| 08:32 | <nubae> I found a pretty big flaw in my fatclient script... since system groups are ignored, additions to them (ie, user in fuse) are not done
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| 08:32 | <ogra> warren, move it from ltsp-server, yes and make it a dependency of ltsp-client
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| 08:32 | <warren> ogra: that's exactly what I suggested
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| 08:32 | <ogra> give it its own subdir in ldm-trunk
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| 08:32 | <warren> ogra: we're only arguing about the sub-package name
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| 08:33 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 08:33 | i thought you wanted its own bzr tree as well
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| 08:33 | <warren> no need for that
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| 08:33 | <ogra> i would do it like we do with ltspfs
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| 08:33 | that keeps naming consistency
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| 08:34 | ldm + ldminfod packages, like ltspfs and ltspfsd package
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| 08:34 | or if you insist ldminfo-server but thats less clear in the scheme
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| 08:34 | <warren> I dislike ltspfs and ltspfsd scheme
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| 08:34 | anyhow we'll see what the other think
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| 08:34 | <ogra> but its there
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| 08:35 | right, better to do on the ML i guess... or wiat until everyone is round
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| 08:35 | or thin ... :P *around i mean indeed
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| 08:36 | <warren> I can achieve round.
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| 08:36 | <ogra> btw, note that stgraber will take many of my ubuntu duties like packaging in the future ... i will try to only stay wiht upstream stuff
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| 08:36 | put my remaining time where it makes more sense etc ... the work on ubuntu-mobile and gnome mobile is eating a lot nowaday
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| 08:37 | <warren> stgraber is employed by canonical?
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| 08:38 | * ogra loves the fact that he can carry hs labs in his pockes now though :) | |
| 08:38 | <ogra> warren, nope
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| 08:38 | but he is working fulltime on ubuntu ltsp in his job
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| 08:38 | there are more companies than canonical participating in ubuntu ;)
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| 08:38 | <nubae> nice position to be in
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| 08:39 | <ogra> yes, i loved it when i had it myself
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| 08:41 | * ogra wonders if warren has seen that beautiful MS ad http://www.vsubhash.com/writeups/multiboot_os.asp | |
| 08:41 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:42 | <warren> ogra: yes, we have three sales people working that market.
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| 08:42 | <ogra> haha
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| 08:42 | you know its a hoax, right ?
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:42 | <nubae> mornin sbalneav
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| 08:42 | well afternoon here
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| 08:42 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:43 | <warren> ogra: what? we hired arabic speakers and everything.
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| 08:43 | <nubae> :D
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| 08:43 | <ogra> warren, damned, you are ahead of us ...
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| 08:43 | * ogra quickly calls london | |
| 08:43 | <ogra> ubuquaida :)
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| 08:46 | <warren> ogra: we are already communists, might as well go further
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| 08:46 | <ogra> lol
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| 08:46 | <warren> communists are no longer the threat anymore
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| 08:47 | <ogra> yeah, its so last century to be a communist
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| 08:47 | <nubae> thats why u wear red hats
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| 08:47 | <ogra> ubuntu is riding the red i a bron desktop :)
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| 08:47 | *hiding
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| 08:47 | *brown
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| 08:47 | bah, cant type
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| 08:48 | <nubae> that almost sounds like danish or swedish
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| 08:49 | <ogra> well, gernamy isnt to far away from denmark ...
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| 08:49 | <warren> ogra: we have hidden features like high availability and stealth operation. gotta survive law enforcement raids and such.
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| 08:49 | <ogra> mmm, stealth ...
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| 08:49 | <warren> all processes run in kernel space
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| 08:49 | ps sees nothing
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| 08:50 | <ogra> hehe
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| 08:50 | <nubae> where is org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-removable authorization file located?
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| 08:50 | I can get there from the gui, but need it from terminal
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| 08:51 | <ogra> /usr/share/PolicyKit/policy/org.freedesktop.hal.storage.policy
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| 08:51 | <nubae> thankd
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| 08:51 | thanks
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| 09:00 | <ogra> stgraber, the tech board meeting starts now in case you want to be there for your upload approval
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| 09:05 | <nubae> 320€ for the inspiron mini with sas drive and atom processor running ubuntu
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| 09:05 | <ogra> the ubuntu alone is worth that the HW is just a free addition ;)
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| 09:06 | <nubae> hehe, ubuntu really seems to be shining in the atom market... much faster than everything else
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| 09:06 | <ogra> i think they also provide a bundle, where you can buy it as second laptop for 150€ ifyou buy a normal lappie
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| 09:06 | though that might only be for the US market, not sure
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| 09:07 | <nubae> yeah only just started shipping in the uk
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| 09:07 | before it was only windows
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| 09:07 | <ogra> but yeah, we do a lot with lpia (atom)
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| 09:12 | <stgraber> ogra: oh, ok
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| 09:20 | <stgraber> ogra: hmm looking at the wiki, I don't seem to be on the agenda :)
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| 09:21 | <ogra> oh
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| 09:21 | they probably do it out of bounds, not sure
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| 09:21 | the last ones were approved in meeting though
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| 09:30 | <sbalneav> nubae: In the appendix, you have a section for adding hard drive rules, but you don't actually list the udev live to enable it.
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| 09:30 | You have the line handy>
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| 09:30 | ?
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| 09:33 | <babyhuey> anyone know why my ltsp clients would randomly freeze? they seem to lose connection and i have to go out and reboot them
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> babyhuey: Could be a whole lot of things
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| 09:34 | <babyhuey> heh awesome
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> First off, what version of LTSP are you running, and on what server?
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| 09:35 | <babyhuey> is there an easy way to tell? i just started here a little while ago and havent had time to get to the bottom of it, but i think its 4 cause its been installed for a while
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| 09:35 | its on ubuntu though
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> babyhuey: is it all the same hardware on the clients?
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| 09:36 | <babyhuey> yea, the actual ltsp client from disklessworkstations
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> which one?
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| 09:37 | <babyhuey> the original one they offered
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| 09:38 | <ogra> Gadi, the thin one :P
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> hmm.... Jammin 125?
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| 09:38 | <babyhuey> yep
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> Might be running out of ram, I think they only had 64 megs of memory.
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| 09:39 | do you have an /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file?
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> does it boot ok?
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| 09:39 | <babyhuey> it boots fine, really quick no problems
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> I see on the listserv issues with etherbooting those things
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| 09:39 | oh, ok
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| 09:40 | <babyhuey> it gets a lot of use, it is used by ~50 people to clock in and out and onto different jobs
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> LTSP 5?
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| 09:40 | or LTSP 4.2?
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| 09:40 | <babyhuey> LTSP 4
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| 09:40 | <nubae> sbalneav: yeah, I suppose openoffice killed it
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> yeah, could be ram as sbalneav says
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| 09:40 | <nubae> hang on I'll paste it
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> babyhuey: do you enable NBD_SWAP in lts.conf?
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| 09:41 | <Blinny> Is there a way to remove the 'Switch User' option from the 'System->Quit' applet for Hardy Heron thin clients using Gnome?
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> babyhuey: try setting: USE_NBD_SWAP = Y in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 09:42 | <sbalneav> Gadi: if it's 4, he'll want nfs swap
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> not on 4.2
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| 09:43 | 4.2 has NBD
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| 09:43 | 4.1 had NFS
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| 09:43 | <babyhuey> where can i tell which version im using?
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> more /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version
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| 09:44 | <babyhuey> 4.2 update 3
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> then USE_NBD_SWAP = Y
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| 09:44 | <babyhuey> what will that do?
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> and reboot the terminal
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| 09:45 | that will use some server hard drive space as swap space for the terminal
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| 09:45 | so if it runs out of memory, it can use swap
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| 09:45 | <babyhuey> ok
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| 09:45 | <sbalneav> ogra: Have you made any contribs to the manual? I haven't currently got you listed as an author
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| 09:45 | <ogra> nope
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 09:46 | <ogra> not after it was moved over to bzr ... the only ones were reviews of your original work
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| 09:46 | which was a year ago for edubuntu
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| 09:46 | <babyhuey> brb rebooting client
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| 09:47 | <sbalneav> nubae: If you can paste me that line, I'll push a branch of the manual that's not perfect, but at least mostly readable now, with all of the major formatting in place.
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| 09:48 | <nubae> ogra: I did however pull out a lot of stuff from edubuntu handbook
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| 09:48 | did u write that?
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| 09:48 | or was that sbalneav?
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| 09:48 | <ogra> that was mainly scott, i only did reviews of tech stuff
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> ogra: they've started selling mods for the eeepc to add touchscreen
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| 09:50 | I am so tempted to do it and try ur ume image
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| 09:50 | <nubae> just got the following email: I hope there is progress on the documentation of Ubuntu/LTSP. In my last email to you I requested that if there is any assignment you will like to carry out in contributing to this documentation that i would be glad to contribute, i have not heard from you since.
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| 09:50 | whats the policy on getting others involved in documentation?
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> proper grammar and diction - oh, who am I kidding?
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| 09:51 | ;)
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| 09:51 | <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/
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| 09:51 | feel free
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> nubae: I'd say have them branch a copy of the docs, and submit patches.
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| 09:51 | <ogra> it should actually run on anything that can boot from usb
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> if they're consistently good, add them to the ltsp-docs team.
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| 09:53 | <ltsppbot> "Nubae" pasted "enabling local thin client harddrive" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/24
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| 09:53 | <ogra> "In the lts.conf file add LOCALDEV=True"
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| 09:53 | not needed
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> and the rest is a bit cryptic
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| 09:54 | :)
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| 09:54 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:54 | <nubae> well, the reason its cyrptic is cause distros all do stuff in their own way
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| 09:54 | on ubuntu its 050-ltspfsd-rules
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> hmm, how about it doesnt make the docs then?
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| 09:54 | until we have an lts.conf flag for it
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| 09:54 | <nubae> on debian something else, on fedora something else and in suse totally different
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| 09:54 | <ogra> nubae, which might be wrong even
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> this aint a hacks doc, is it?
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| 09:55 | <ogra> 050 is way to low imho
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| 09:55 | <nubae> Gadi: it is in the appendix
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> lol
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| 09:55 | * Gadi looks around for technical writing professor... | |
| 09:56 | * Gadi thinks: don't send someone under the roof of the car you sold them with a flasshlight and a rock | |
| 09:57 | <nubae> sbalneav: we should put up the manual in a findable place too... like ltsp.org or some other webpage
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Feel free to branch a copy and start editing.
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| 09:57 | <nubae> heh
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| 09:57 | <ogra> nubae, thats the plan
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| 09:58 | <Gadi> I am IRC editing ;)
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| 09:58 | <ogra> but only as pdf or html export from the branch
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| 09:58 | <Gadi> is this not peer review?
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| 09:58 | <nubae> Gadi: so rewrite the hard drive part and paste to pastebot ;-)
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| 09:58 | <Gadi> my rewrite is a delete
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| 09:58 | <sbalneav> nubae: there's still not a udev rule in that paste.
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| 09:59 | <nubae> ah right, one sec...
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| 10:01 | <nubae> ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_TYPE}=="disk", ATTRS{removable}!="1", RUN+="ltspfs_entry add %k"
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> I've just spent about 10 hours over the last two days getting this back in shape. I'd say before we begin peicemeal hacking the document apart, or taking things out, we should all have a look at the whole thing, set aside a time to discuss it in toto, and then we can make the changes rationally.
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| 10:01 | <nubae> but the line is already there, it just needs taking out #
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| 10:01 | in udev rules I mean
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> And until I get it complete, and readable, there's no point in that. I'm trying to get that task accomplished today.
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| 10:03 | <nubae> has the udev rule for usb devices been fixed in Intrepid yet?
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| 10:03 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "Enabling local thin client har" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/25
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| 10:03 | <stgraber> ogra: so, not this TB ... let's hope it'll be able to do it by mail soon enough so it can still be useful for Intrepid
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| 10:04 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> pasted
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| 10:04 | <ogra> well, i can always sponsor still
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| 10:05 | <nubae> Gadi: looks good :-)
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| 10:05 | if you are crazy enough... lol
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:07 | <sbalneav> I'm just going to run a spell check, then I'll push
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| 10:14 | <ogra> stgraber, so with that fix discussed in -devel its only one comment to remove i the rules file for local HDs
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| 10:14 | s/i/in/
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| 10:15 | since its only a packaging change i can do the reordering quickly
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| 10:16 | <stgraber> ogra: I don't want local HDs personaly, not sure if we should turn it on.
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| 10:16 | <ogra> no, we shouldnt
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| 10:16 | but its easy to enable with these rules
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| 10:17 | <ogra> to sad debian doesnt go with udev upstream :/
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| 10:17 | <stgraber> ok, so let's keep that rule commented
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| 10:17 | * ogra doesnt like to have to hack up vagrants package | |
| 10:18 | <stgraber> btw, I just got my invitation for the UDS :)
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| 10:18 | <ogra> cool !
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| 10:19 | so i'll see you in mountainview :)
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| 10:19 | <stgraber> and in Maine before then :)
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| 10:20 | (you come to BTS right ?)
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| 10:20 | <ogra> not sure yet, there are some personal issues
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| 10:21 | <cliebow> stgraber:you coming to Maine??
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| 10:22 | I HATE WINDOWS
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| 10:22 | I HATE COMPUTERS
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| 10:22 | <ogra> just dont use them
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| 10:22 | <stgraber> cliebow: yeah
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| 10:22 | * ogra hands cliebow an abacus | |
| 10:23 | <cliebow> hand me j45p3r please..my windows guru
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| 10:23 | <nubae> hey, building a client just from cdrom and not internet, can be done with --copy-package-sources right?
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| 10:23 | ah.. not cdrom... cache
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| 10:23 | <cliebow> dns went South internally last night..cant figure out what happened
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| 10:24 | <ogra> --mirror file:///cdrom
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| 10:24 | <nubae> and I guess for cdrom just adding --
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| 10:24 | <ogra> (note the three slashes)
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| 10:24 | <nubae> oops...
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| 10:24 | k... anyone tested that that works?
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| 10:25 | <ogra> the CD install uses that
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| 10:25 | <ogra> it doesnt work atm because the PAckages files were removed fro the CDs and apt didnt get adjusted yet
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| 10:25 | but it will work for final release
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| 10:25 | (and did/does in hardy)
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| 10:26 | <nubae> ok, someone on a slower network asked me about that, I figured mirror would do it, but wasnt sure
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| 10:28 | <ogra> you likely also need "--security-mirror none"
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| 10:28 | <ogra> else it will start looking for security updates on the network
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| 10:29 | * ogra ges back to compile xserver-xomap | |
| 10:29 | <ogra> stgraber, mail forwarded btw ... make sure your spamfilter doesnt swallo it again :)
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| 10:30 | <stgraber> ogra: yeah got it, looks like I had some issues with gmail SMTP servers recently :)
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| 10:56 | <sbalneav> I am really, REALLY getting annoyed with bzr here.
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| 10:57 | bzr: ERROR: Operation denied because it would change the main history, which is not permitted by the append_revisions_only setting on branch "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav/".
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| 10:57 | What am I doing wrong?
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| 10:58 | <ogra> what are you doing ?
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| 10:59 | <sbalneav> Well, I'm trying to push back up my updated branch of my docs
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| 10:59 | bzr push bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav
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| 10:59 | <ogra> so you merge your changed branch into the trunk and then push that, right ?
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| 11:00 | ? bzr+ssh ?
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> bzr push lp:~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav
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| 11:00 | bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Esbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
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| 11:01 | * ogra doesnt get why thats inder ltsp and | |
| 11:01 | <ogra> -and
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| 11:01 | so you made it owned by ltsp instead of ltsp-docwriters ?
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| 11:02 | well, it should work though
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| 11:03 | but it might be your email is wrong or your clock is off or something
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| 11:03 | or your lpusername isnt set properly
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| 11:04 | ogra@osiris:~/Devel/packages/casper-1.139$ cat /home/ogra/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
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| 11:04 | [DEFAULT]
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| 11:04 | launchpad_username = ogra
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| 11:04 | email = Oliver Grawert <ogra@ubuntu.com>
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| 11:04 | check thats set properly
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| 11:05 | <ogra> and your ssh key is on that machine (launchpad_username being wrong or ssh key not available makes the lp: transport fall back to http)
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> Well, adding my launchpad username fixed the lp: problem, but I've still got the main history problem
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| 11:07 | So I did a bzr branch lp:...ltsp-docs-trunk ltsp-docs-sbalneav
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| 11:08 | <sbalneav> I've been editing it, and committing it.
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| 11:08 | so now I'm just trying to push it back up
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| 11:10 | * ogra never used append_revisions_only ... | |
| 11:10 | <ogra> ask the perso who told you to set it :)
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> That was vagrant
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| 11:11 | <ogra> did you do your changes in the checked out branch ? or did you create one from scratch
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> Well I did a bzr branch <ltsp-docs-trunk> ltsp-docs-sbalneav
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| 11:12 | <ogra> well, then your forst change should have a higher revision
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> I thought that was what I was supposed to do.
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| 11:14 | Yeah, the last rev on -trunk is 17, my first commit on -sbalneav is 18
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| 11:18 | <ogra> i see -19 on lp
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| 11:18 | 19. By Scott Balneaves <sbalneav@phobos> 11 hours ago
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| 11:18 | More reformatting to get back into shape
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| 11:18 | are you sure you worked on the right branch ?
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> sbalneav@feniks:~/src/bzr$ cd ltsp-docs-trunk/
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| 11:19 | sbalneav@feniks:~/src/bzr/ltsp-docs-trunk$ bzr update
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| 11:19 | Tree is up to date at revision 17.
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| 11:19 | sbalneav@feniks:~/src/bzr/ltsp-docs-trunk$ bzr pull
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| 11:19 | Using saved location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk/
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| 11:19 | No revisions to pull.
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| 11:19 | <ogra> well, i'm not talking about trunk
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| 11:19 | https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav
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| 11:19 | that has revision 19 as last one
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| 11:19 | from 11h ago
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| 11:20 | you cnt push a revision 18 to that indeed
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> Well, I did some work last night, but I did a bzr pull thismorning on my branch here at work
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| 11:20 | <ogra> and does it have that revision 18 and 19 ?
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> sbalneav@feniks:~/src/bzr/ltsp-docs-sbalneav$ bzr merge lp:~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav
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| 11:22 | Nothing to do.
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| 11:23 | <ogra> merge ?
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| 11:23 | you mean pull, right ?
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| 11:23 | <sbalneav> I've tried both
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| 11:24 | cripes
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| 11:24 | bzr pull lp:~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav
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| 11:24 | bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/usr/legal/home/sbalneav/src/bzr/ltsp-docs-sbalneav/lp:~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav/".
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| 11:24 | <ogra> bzr log|less shows you have the right branch ? (history is identical to whats shown at https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav up to v19 ? )
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> Somethings out of sync
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| 11:24 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> sigh
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| 11:25 | <ogra> so wat does bzr log say in your current branch ?
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| 11:25 | <ogra> do you have v18 and 19
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| 11:25 | as eth webpage describes ?
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| 11:28 | <sbalneav> <rant>You know, I'm really REALLY beginning to question why the h*ll I'm still involved in this project. I can't seem to wrap my mind around packaging, so I'm becoming progressivly more useless in providing patches, I can't seem to wrap my mind around either LP or bzr, so I'm constantly f****** things up, and end up spending more time trying to figure out how to get the toolchain to work as opposed to actually improving the project.
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| 11:29 | <sbalneav> sigh, ok, I'll just save the LTSPManual.xml, re-branch from myself, etc...
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| 11:29 | 2 seconds
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| 11:29 | <ogra> sbalneav, do you have v18 and 19 in your current branch ?
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| 11:29 | <sbalneav> 18 yes, 19 no
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| 11:29 | <ogra> aha
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| 11:29 | well, you didnt pull this morning then
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| 11:30 | <sbalneav> Well, I did, but I did it wrong.
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| 11:30 | <ogra> ah
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| 11:30 | <sbalneav> I'm assumung
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| 11:30 | <ogra> wrong place i guess
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| 11:30 | (i.e, in the subdir instead of the branch parent)
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| 11:34 | <sbalneav> Ok.
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| 11:34 | there
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| 11:34 | now it's pushing
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| 11:35 | nubae Gadi ogra et al: have a look at lp:~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> There's still a fair number of formatting problems, but at least I've managed to get all the code samples into <screen></screen> blocks, etc.
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| 11:36 | A lot of the big problems have been eliminated.
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| 11:37 | <cliebow> sbalneav:but we love you
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> I'm not sure of the order of things, nubae, you moved some stuff around, and we may not want things in that order, but we can sort all that out.
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| 11:41 | I'll set up an LTSP5 doco page on the twiki, and upload the current versions of the docs.
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| 11:45 | <nubae> sbalneav: I move it around so it would make more sense, like installation before updating the chroot, etc
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 11:47 | ok, both the HTML and PDF versions are there.
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| 11:48 | !docs
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| 11:48 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the best place to learn about LTSP5, please see the Edubuntu Handbook at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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| 11:48 | <ogra> hmm
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| 11:48 | local media would have been the place where i would have looked up localdev
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: learn docs as For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 11:48 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:48 | <johnny> gentlemen
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 11:48 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is (#1) For the best place to learn about LTSP5, please see the Edubuntu Handbook at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/, or (#2) For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 11:48 | <ogra> "Ubuntu LTSP - Educational Version CD installation" ??
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| 11:48 | <johnny> including ogra
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| 11:49 | this time..
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> You have no chance to survive make your time
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| 11:49 | <johnny> hehe :)
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> all your base are belong to us
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| 11:49 | <ogra> why did you call it "Educational Version" ?
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| 11:49 | <nubae> that was me
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| 11:49 | <johnny> sbalneav, also .. the intro to "aqua teen hunger force"
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| 11:49 | <nubae> thought that was what it was called?
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> That's what was in there, I havem
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| 11:49 | I didn't change content on this, just formatting.
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| 11:49 | <ogra> just call it "Ubuntu LTSP - CD installation"
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> So that needs to be fixed.
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| 11:50 | <nubae> ok, I was trying to refer to edubuntu
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| 11:50 | <johnny> eduxbuntuk
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| 11:50 | err
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| 11:50 | eduxbuntuk studio edution edition
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| 11:50 | <ogra> "With the Hardy Heron (8.04) release" .... "Starting with the Hardy Heron (8.04) release"
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| 11:51 | <johnny> you could catch all the ubuntu distros with that :)
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| 11:51 | <ogra> johnny, so did you have anything to say ?
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| 11:51 | beyond "gentlemen" ?
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| 11:51 | <johnny> not about the docs.. sorry
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| 11:51 | <ogra> sounded liek a start of something ... a speech probably ...
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| 11:51 | <johnny> no. it was more of a greeting
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> ogra: ok, fixed those two issues
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| 11:51 | <ogra> sbalneav, gracias
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| 11:51 | <johnny> scott understood
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> ok, I have to pop out and renew my passport
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| 11:52 | I'll be back in an hour.
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| 11:52 | <johnny> otherwise they might kick you right outa here!
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| 11:52 | <nubae> sbalneav: theres a part in there written by Lns too
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| 11:52 | * Lns gets startled | |
| 11:52 | <sbalneav> ok, what's lns's real name
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| 11:52 | Lns: what's your real name
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| 11:52 | <johnny> jordan e :)
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| 11:52 | <Lns> heh
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| 11:52 | <ogra> is anywhere mentioned that ltsp-build-client --help/--extra-help will list all available commands for your distro ?
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| 11:52 | <Lns> where everyone knows your name! =)
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| 11:52 | it's jordan erickson
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 11:52 | <nubae> ogra: no...
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| 11:53 | <johnny> not erikssen
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| 11:53 | <ogra> mention that :)
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> hold on, adding to authors
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| 11:53 | <Lns> lol
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> Lns: added
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| 11:54 | <Lns> sbalneav, what doc is this?
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 11:54 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is (#1) For the best place to learn about LTSP5, please see the Edubuntu Handbook at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/, or (#2) For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> argh
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| 11:54 | <johnny> scott fails
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> forgot to forget 1
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| 11:54 | <nubae> http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#AEN1099 thats yours lns
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: forget docs
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| 11:54 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
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| 11:54 | <johnny> so what's the word on jordan's bug about *-updates in sources.list?
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: forget docs 1
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| 11:55 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 11:55 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 11:55 | <Lns> thx sbalneav :)
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| 11:55 | <johnny> Lns, what is lns ?
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> ok, back on in a bit
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| 11:55 | <Lns> johnny, logicalnetworking.net
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| 11:55 | <johnny> not as good as j$xe
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| 11:55 | <Lns> jeez i come in this morning and people are talking about me ;)
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| 11:56 | <johnny> err j${x}e
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| 11:56 | whatever x is
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| 11:56 | i'm my own person.. not my company :)
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| 11:56 | otherwise i'd be lmi..
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| 11:56 | <Lns> hehe
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| 11:56 | i like my company.. :)
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| 11:56 | * johnny eats it for breakfast | |
| 11:56 | <ogra> nubae, SCREEN_01 is reserved (you say to please use 01-12
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| 11:57 | <nubae> I didnt say that, the edubuntu handbook did ;-)
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| 11:57 | :p
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| 11:57 | <ogra> XDM_SERVER ... not used by anyone to my knowledge
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| 11:57 | at least debian and ubuntu ignore it deliberately
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| 11:58 | err
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| 11:58 | XFS_SERVER i mean
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| 11:58 | as well as USE_XFS
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| 11:59 | hmm, and it doesnt mention X_MONITOR_OPTION
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| 11:59 | (or was taht DISPLAY_OPTION ... i forgot)
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| 11:59 | <nubae> maybe you can note whats missing in there, there are probably some new options and some obsolete options
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| 12:00 | <ogra> the sampel lts.conf has LDM_REMOTECOMMAND ... thats LDM_SESSION
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| 12:00 | nowadays
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| 12:02 | <johnny> it'd be nice to have a live snapshot of lts-parameters.txt in the docs
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| 12:03 | * Lns still needs to whip together a sample /etc/ltsp/README to propose, with pointers to docs, other configs, etc | |
| 12:04 | <nubae> johnny: live snapshot?
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| 12:05 | <Lns> nubae, i see a typo in the doc - "sudo killall -u <username firefox"
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| 12:06 | <johnny> Lns, readme files dont' go in /etc
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| 12:07 | <nubae> they shouldnt, but I know many programs that do put them there :D
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| 12:07 | <Lns> johnny, well, somewhere where people will find it anyway, without reverting to google/irc ;)
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| 12:07 | <Lns> johnny, I know debian likes putting readmes in /etc/ for various packages, just for quick notes on syntax, etc
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| 12:08 | <nubae> It'd be nice to have some better documentation on sabayon and pessulus
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| 12:09 | <Lns> is sabayon working in ubuntu yet?
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| 12:09 | <johnny> there's this thing called /usr/share/docs Lns :)
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| 12:09 | Lns, sorta
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| 12:09 | i didn't get time to work on it during this cycle
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| 12:09 | too much other stuff going on
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| 12:09 | can't afford it yet
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| 12:11 | <Lns> johnny, maybe i can look through the docs today, are we getting close to finalizing docs? i'm not sure abut the process, but maybe there's some stuff from my wiki we can add?
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| 12:11 | i've been working hard to document everything i deal with re: ltsp there, and i want to port it to the ubuntu/ltsp/edubuntu wikis too
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| 12:11 | if it seems sensible to anyway
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| 12:13 | <nubae> sabayon works... but definetly far from perfection
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| 12:14 | but Ive used it with pesselus to lock down desktops by groups
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| 12:14 | <johnny> part of the problem is that there was gio python bindings for a long time
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| 12:14 | <Lns> i've always wanted to try it but it always crashed..but i've figured out some cool ways to lock down gnome via gconf only
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| 12:15 | <nubae> Lns: check the appendix, thats where we put all the little hacks and howtos
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| 12:15 | <Lns> not that it's advanced stuff at all, but it works for me :)
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| 12:15 | <nubae> the majority of questions are from beginning ltsp users
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| 12:15 | <Lns> nubae, k
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| 12:16 | <nubae> and branch the ltsp-docs-trunk from launchpad, that way u can submit patches
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| 12:17 | hmmm how do I awk or sed a string and take the line that has that string and paste those lines to a file
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| 12:17 | ?
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| 12:17 | <Lns> nubae, ok..will have to dig into lp to figure that out ;) /me is still a lp noob ;)
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| 12:19 | nubae, wouldn't piping awk/sed do fine, w/redirection?
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| 12:19 | sed s/tochange/changeto/g filename > newfile
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| 12:19 | <nubae> I'm not great with sed and awk, it hurty my head :-)
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| 12:20 | <Lns> hehe
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| 12:20 | <nubae> s/hurty/hurts
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| 12:20 | <Lns> nubae, do you just need to find lines in a file and print them to a new file or change the lines you find in the original file?
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| 12:20 | <nubae> I dont need to change anything though,
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| 12:20 | <Lns> nubae, use grep then
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| 12:21 | grep <pattern> file > newfile
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| 12:21 | <nubae> I'm looking at the /etc/group, and taking all the groups that have at least 'admin user' in the line
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| 12:22 | hmmm, maybe that will work, let me try, Im probably complicating matters for no reasons
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| 12:22 | <Lns> nubae, yeah i wouldn't use sed/awk to simply find matching lines..unless part of the line you don't want to reprint, you could use awk or cut maybe
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| 12:23 | * Lns just learned about 'tee' the other day | |
| 12:23 | <nubae> tee?
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| 12:23 | <Lns> nubae, man tee ;)
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| 12:23 | <nubae> lol, grep works just fine...
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| 12:24 | <ogra> tee is like cat
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| 12:24 | just better
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| 12:24 | err
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| 12:24 | echo
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| 12:25 | * nubae is starting to love bash | |
| 12:25 | <Lns> ogra, yeah.. i tried echoing the -updates line into chroot sources.list but i needed to use tee
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| 12:25 | <ogra> only if you use sudo :)
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| 12:26 | but yes, tee is the little echo frined of sudo
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| 12:26 | <Lns> ogra, correct =)
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| 12:27 | be back in a bit
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| 12:27 | <ogra> nubae, the line you mention in 25.1 is already in the udev rules by default
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| 12:27 | and as i said, LOCALDEV is true by default as well
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| 12:27 | <nubae> it is, but its commented out
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| 12:27 | it was just to show what the line looks like
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| 12:28 | <ogra> 25.2. should probably also mention that nbd booting is about three times as fast as nfs booting
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| 12:28 | <nubae> ah yes true....
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| 12:29 | <ogra> so tell the user that he has to remove the comment sign in front of the line ;)
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| 12:29 | the text doesnt say that
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| 12:29 | an illiterate user would probably add a line
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| 12:29 | zamba has left #ltsp | |
| 12:29 | <ogra> also note that this will be overwritten automatically on upgrades
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| 12:29 | <nubae> heh, Gadi wrote a better write up of that anyway
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| 12:29 | <ogra> the file is owned by the package
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| 12:30 | <nubae> yeah rightly so... I dont see why people really need it, but it was asked on here a couple of times, so I answered the question on how to do it, and added to docs
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| 12:30 | we can always take it out completely
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| 12:31 | <ogra> nubae, what Gadi wrote there is totally wrong
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| 12:31 | * ogra just looked at the paste | |
| 12:31 | <ogra> we ship that special line for HDDs since two releases
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| 12:31 | its just removing the comment sign that makes it used
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| 12:32 | no hacking up of REMOVABLE settings or anything
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| 12:32 | <nubae> Gadi: ^^ :P
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> hey, I'm still on Gutsy ( Hardy has way too many bugs...) ;)
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| 12:32 | <ogra> on a sidenote if you want it persistent, you should add a new file
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| 12:32 | and put the line in there
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| 12:32 | * Gadi runs | |
| 12:32 | <ogra> that wont get overwritten on upgrades
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| 12:33 | * ogra just pretends to not hear Gadi | |
| 12:33 | <Gadi> so, things are normal
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| 12:33 | :)
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| 12:33 | * ogra wonders why the channel scrolls :P | |
| 12:33 | <nubae> I'm pretty happy with intrepid, though I know not much has been done on ltsp side, the os seems to have had a lot of changes and bug fixes
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| 12:34 | <ogra> a lot has been done upstream
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| 12:34 | not much has been done *by me* this time
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| 12:34 | so the packages just use the new upstream changes but beyond that are mostly hardy packages
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| 12:35 | nubae, with jaunty stgraber will take much of my part ... you should see improvements there
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| 12:35 | <nubae> hardy got some real bad press
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| 12:35 | <ogra> i will try to concentrate on upstream work in my sparetime
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| 12:35 | <nubae> cool
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| 12:35 | <ogra> (which is rather "raretime" since i work on ubuntu mobile)
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| 12:35 | <nubae> I'm trying to get my head around motu, but its not that obvious... spec files seem much simpler :p
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| 12:36 | <ogra> but i might implement arm support for clients in jaunty :)
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| 12:36 | <nubae> that would be neat
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| 12:36 | but without wireless ltsp, seems a bit pointless
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| 12:36 | <ogra> the beagelboard makes the best thin client i have ever seen
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| 12:36 | http://beagleboard.org/
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| 12:37 | <nubae> thats pretty damn small
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| 12:37 | <ogra> and fast
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| 12:38 | and uses 10% of the energy an x86 client uses
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| 12:38 | and is DVI/HDMI by default
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| 12:38 | and and and ...
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| 12:38 | <nubae> what are people using it for?
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| 12:38 | <ogra> development
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| 12:39 | i know some projects that build digital videorecorders etc with it
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| 12:39 | arm is so advanced over intel
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| 12:40 | <nubae> hey has there been any more development on using ltsp over usb?
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| 12:41 | <ogra> nope
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| 12:42 | btw
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| 12:42 | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2560585344.html
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| 12:42 | it has two CPUs ... an arm and a intel builtin
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| 12:43 | <ogra> in arm mode it can run several days on one battery charge
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| 12:43 | <ogra> (while being used)
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| 12:45 | <nubae> I hope wireless bandwidth becomes fast enough for wireless, that will allow for some real cool stuff
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| 12:45 | lol, ltsp
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| 12:47 | <johnny> nubae, also real high on battery suckign :)
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| 12:47 | <ogra> 54M are fine for basic use
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| 12:47 | but you still wont see any PXE implementation in WLAN
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| 12:48 | <nubae> well doesnt need it... we can put the bootstrap on usb or sd or whatever
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| 12:48 | <ogra> you can even put it into initramfs
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| 12:48 | but still need local media
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| 12:48 | <Lns> !docs
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| 12:48 | <ltspbot> Lns: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 12:49 | <nubae> I know stgraber has done that
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| 12:49 | <ogra> and its not massively safe
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| 12:49 | <nubae> fortunately most implementations are schools and not banks :p
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| 12:49 | <ogra> since you have the keys unencrypted on the key
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| 12:50 | s/key/ USB key/
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> nubae: I can sell you a Symbiont Boot Stick
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| 12:50 | :)
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| 12:50 | totally encrypted
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| 12:50 | <ogra> Gadi, bah, first fix the themeing
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> :P
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| 12:50 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:50 | <ogra> Gadi, you always ignore the important stuff
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| 12:50 | * Gadi hangs head in shame | |
| 12:51 | <nubae> how many clients can u run with wireless?
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| 12:51 | * ogra guesses that really depends on the amount of APs you have | |
| 12:51 | <Gadi> nubae: depends upon protocol, quality of access point, and app server protocol
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| 12:51 | <nubae> how about running the traffic through ejabberd?
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| 12:52 | <Lns> Gadi: what's wrong with the theming in the bootsticks?
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| 12:52 | <nubae> thats how the xos are doing all communication and allows them to scale to about 4000 concurrent connections
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> Lns: ogra prefers a more modern gtk theme
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| 12:52 | ;)
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| 12:52 | <Lns> Does ldm handle gtk?
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> rounded buttons and all
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| 12:52 | * Gadi thinks ogra works for apple in his raretime ;) | |
| 12:53 | <Lns> lol
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| 12:53 | <ogra> well, *any* theme as opposed to no themeing at al and looking like 80s
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| 12:53 | * Lns thinks ldm should be converted to 80x24 | |
| 12:53 | * Gadi goes back to playing Pong... | |
| 12:53 | <ogra> Lns, write a greeter for it, its capable of using different one
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| 12:53 | you could have a whiptail greeter :)
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| 12:53 | <Lns> that would rule!
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| 12:53 | <ogra> or a TCL one
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| 12:54 | <Lns> or ncurses!
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| 12:54 | <ogra> (whiptail == ncurses ;) )
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| 12:54 | <Lns> ogra: this is OT but I've been wondering the past couple weeks
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| 12:54 | (oops)
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| 12:54 | how come Ubuntu never uses the cool question dialogs that Debian (used to?) uses? like when you install exim, it asks you what type of mailserver and configures it accordingly
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| 12:55 | Ubuntu seems to just set its own defaults and makes you go in manually whenever you install packages
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> I have an even more OT qu: does anyone know the real story behind via drivers? afaict, there are 4: via OSS, openchrome, unichrome, and via commercial from their website
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| 12:56 | <johnny> laga_, that's an apt setting
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| 12:56 | oops
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> has anyone not written a via driver?
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| 12:56 | :)
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| 12:57 | <johnny> Lns, that's an apt-get setting
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| 12:57 | you can make it bug you with the most trivial nonsense.. or just the most critical questions
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| 12:57 | <Lns> johnny: oh! jeez, i never knew that
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| 12:57 | i guess *buntu's default is to never bug you
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| 12:58 | <johnny> yep
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| 12:58 | <ogra> not really apt-get
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| 12:58 | <johnny> well true ogra
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| 12:58 | <ogra> its a debconf default
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| 12:58 | <johnny> debconf
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| 12:58 | that's it
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| 12:58 | <ogra> if you use an ubuntu alternate CD in expert mode
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| 12:58 | <johnny> Lns, btw.. i am no APT expert
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| 12:58 | :)
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| 12:58 | <ogra> you get exactly a debian install
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| 12:59 | with 400 questions before the install starts :P
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| 12:59 | <Lns> ah
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| 12:59 | <johnny> i don't have super cow powers
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| 12:59 | ogra does tho
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| 12:59 | <Lns> apt-get moo ?
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| 12:59 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:59 | <johnny> does it really require moo?
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| 12:59 | i thought it just said that :)
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| 12:59 | <ogra> the manpage says it
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| 13:00 | moo does something else :)
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| 13:00 | <Lns> moo is only for advanced users
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| 13:00 | <ogra> ah, no, not the manpage, it was apt-get --help
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| 13:01 | its even properly translated :)
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| 13:01 | <johnny> yes.. apt-get --help
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| 13:01 | ogra is a super cow
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| 13:01 | <Lns> haha
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| 13:01 | <ogra> moo
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| 13:01 | <nubae> lol
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| 13:01 | <Lns> my old roomates and i would always moo when arriving at the house to announce ourselves
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| 13:02 | <ogra> Gadi, upstream uses one of the via ones (openchrome i think) as base to write up a new one
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| 13:03 | but via also provides one
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| 13:04 | * Lns wonders how cool it would be to integrate chroot updates into update-manager, kind of like a separate prompt for dist upgrades | |
| 13:07 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 13:07 | <nubae> Lns: its easy enough to grab the package list
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| 13:08 | doesnt suse do something similar?
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| 13:08 | <Lns> dunno..i know they have the whole 1-click install and Easy-LTSP gui
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| 13:08 | * Lns might whip together a simple script to e-mail when chroot updates are available | |
| 13:08 | <nubae> sbalneav: ogra and co mentioned some changes to docs... I wrote them down here... should I send them to you or do a brz patch?
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| 13:09 | <ogra> sure do a brz branch :)
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> ogra: well, so far, I find that via, openchrome, and via from website all have different cpabilities
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| 13:10 | and support different chipsets
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| 13:10 | lol
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| 13:10 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> with the one from the website being the best
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> nubae: Either way's fine, whatever's easiest
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| 13:11 | <ogra> right, but thats because its written by the manufacturer ...
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| 13:11 | thats like the intel graphics driver
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| 13:11 | * ogra declares it beer o'clock | |
| 13:11 | <sbalneav> Man, Hardy's really kicking my butt here. Every once in a while I'm getting "slowdowns" being reported by my users: lags in typing, etc. I'm wondering if there's something kernel-wise or network driver wise that's affecting me.
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| 13:12 | * Lns cheers's ogra | |
| 13:12 | <ogra> sbalneav, xcb xlib changes ?
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| 13:13 | thats what i suspected but i'm not deep enough into xlibs for really verifying
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| 13:13 | cheers :)
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| 13:13 | * Lns can't believe how much of his documentation made it into the official docs :) | |
| 13:14 | <johnny> that's what you get for bein so swell
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| 13:14 | <nubae> sbalneav: u are not the only one.... hardy has been kicking everyone's butt
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| 13:15 | <Lns> sbalneav: could it simply be network congestion? ...bittorrent comes to mind ;)
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> sbalneav: anacron kicking in?
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| 13:17 | * nubae has never seen as much irc traffic as today | |
| 13:17 | * ogra sends nubae to #ubuntu for 1h | |
| 13:17 | <Gadi> 1 millionth message gets a free eggroll
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| 13:17 | <nubae> on #ltsp
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| 13:17 | :p
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| 13:17 | <ogra> Gadi ?
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> that eggroll's mine!
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| 13:18 | <ogra> 9
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| 13:18 | <ogra> 20
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| 13:18 | <nubae> yeah #ubuntu is kinda useless... before anyone gets a chance to answer, the question has scrolled by :-)
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| 13:18 | * Gadi thinks ogra is like my son - I know he can count to a million, but somehow he always quits too soon | |
| 13:18 | * ogra started in #ubuntu | |
| 13:19 | <ogra> Gadi, my prob was that i typoed :P
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| 13:19 | <nubae> when there were 50 users probably not 1000
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| 13:19 | <Lns> nubae: actually i've had some pretty good responses in #ubuntu before..you just have to use ALL CAPS ;)
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| 13:19 | <ogra> there were around 400 at my time
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| 13:20 | <nubae> what did u use before ubuntu?
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| 13:20 | <ogra> and many of the people in #ubuntu-devel were actually doing active support
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| 13:20 | debian
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| 13:20 | * Lns has been a debian zealot forever | |
| 13:21 | * ogra used slackware in '96, then suse for some weeks, then redhat for some months and then debian forever until ubuntu cam with exactly the setup i alway used in my custom debian CDs | |
| 13:21 | <nubae> I was on gentoo before ubuntu and debian
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| 13:22 | <Lns> oh noes! a gentoo guy! =p
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| 13:22 | * Lns runs | |
| 13:22 | <nubae> johnny is a gentoo guy :-)
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| 13:22 | <ogra> nah
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| 13:22 | johnny is a ubuntu guy who pretends to be gentoo :P
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| 13:22 | <johnny> ogra, you wish
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| 13:22 | gentoo since 2002
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| 13:22 | <ogra> :)
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| 13:23 | <nubae> hah
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| 13:23 | <Lns> lol
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| 13:23 | * nubae loves the distro wars | |
| 13:23 | <johnny> i'm not warring.. ubuntu has a lovely place at red emma's
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| 13:23 | and on my gf's laptop
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| 13:23 | <Lns> I used Redhat first, 5.1 i believe sometime around 95..then mandrake, then debian... I really like slackware though, and bsd (i know, not the same) is actually pretty elite ;)
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| 13:23 | <nubae> heh, I believe I started with freebsd
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| 13:24 | <johnny> i ran ubuntu on my personal laptop for 8 months
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| 13:24 | it sucked tho
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| 13:24 | too old packages
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| 13:24 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:24 | <nubae> use sidux then ::D
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| 13:25 | <johnny> the .deb format is irritating to me
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| 13:25 | i deal with it.. cuz ubuntu uses it.. but i don't like touching it
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| 13:25 | <nubae> jeez thats the best part of debian and ubuntu
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| 13:25 | <johnny> the array of packages available is the best part :)
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| 13:25 | <ogra> its not different to rpm ... it only lives from debian-policy
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| 13:25 | <johnny> ogra, i like my ebuilds :)
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| 13:26 | <ogra> the technical stuff is as trivial as rpm's
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| 13:26 | <Lns> debian had solid dependency support since before people coined the term 'dependency hell' ;)
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| 13:26 | <ogra> what makes it advanced over everything is the policy
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| 13:26 | <johnny> i wish rpm would die
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| 13:26 | and use .deb
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| 13:26 | <ogra> tell that to ISVs
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| 13:26 | (or to warren)
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| 13:26 | <nubae> rpms are a hell of a lot easier to package
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| 13:26 | <laga_> LSB ftw :(
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| 13:27 | <johnny> ebuilds are nice to package :)
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| 13:27 | * ogra desnt find rpms easier to package | |
| 13:27 | <nubae> thats cause ogra is a super cow :p
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| 13:27 | <laga_> neither do i. but i never tried it
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| 13:27 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:27 | pms just put everythign in a sigle fle that a source deb has in separate files
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| 13:27 | no difference beyond that
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| 13:27 | technically
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| 13:28 | *rpms
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| 13:28 | <nubae> yeah but then uve got the debian/ubuntu stuff in all ubuntu packages
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| 13:28 | and diffs
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| 13:29 | but hey... I'm totally new at this so its probably simpler than it seems
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| 13:29 | <Lns> ogra: i guess that's why alien works so well to convert stuff...not much difference under the hood
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| 13:29 | <ogra> a deb package has the upstream tarball ... the diff.gz that contains the debian dir and the .dsc that merges diff,gz and upstream tarbally
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| 13:30 | <nubae> well, suse has that build service where u put in a spec file and out comes everything else
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| 13:30 | <ogra> an rpm has the upstream tarball and a spec file that does the same as the debian dir
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| 13:30 | <loather-work> and possibly some patches
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| 13:30 | <ogra> nubae, yes, with totally unusable debs
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| 13:30 | <nubae> really? shame
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| 13:30 | <ogra> since they dont respect the policy ... which is the only actual difference that makes debs good
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| 13:31 | you could as well use checkinstall to build a deb
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| 13:31 | or alien and convert it from rpm
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| 13:32 | <Lns> What do you guys think of Easy-LTSP ? I just saw that last night, it looks kinda neat :)
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| 13:32 | <ogra> its not easy to become a debian developer ... but not because of the technical difference between rpm and deb ... only because you need to know the policy
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> so, /etc/modules doesn't support alias lines, right? only module names - I think via screwed up their install script
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| 13:32 | lol
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| 13:33 | <ogra> the suse build service is like a debian develope without policy
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| 13:33 | <nubae> yeah easy-ltsp is useful for people that dont know anything about ltsp, but the problem is that the default settings are all wrong
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| 13:33 | <ogra> useless
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| 13:33 | <nubae> wrong for debian/fedora/ubuntu that is :p
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| 13:33 | <Lns> Gadi: /etc/modprobe.d/aliases?
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| 13:33 | * ogra would have loved esay-ltsp finishing ltsp-manager ... as it was advertised in the soc proposal | |
| 13:33 | <Gadi> right
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| 13:33 | thats where it *should* go
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| 13:34 | <Lns> hmm...
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| 13:34 | * Gadi shakes head... | |
| 13:35 | <Gadi> and then they force a modprobe in rc.local
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| 13:35 | lol
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| 13:35 | now I know why they rely on OSS
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| 13:35 | <Lns> haha
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| 13:37 | <ltsppbot> "Nubae" pasted "working 030-fatclient" (217 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/26
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| 13:40 | <johnny> nubae, .. so that doesn't work wit hthe new local apps support then?
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| 13:40 | <nubae> nope
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| 13:40 | builds a full standalone fat client
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| 13:41 | its possible to do the same with local apps, but since local apps didnt exist when I started this, I continued in the same way... :D
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| 13:42 | some dirty stuff in there, like the way it synchs users and groups, but it works
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| 13:42 | <johnny> how much ram is needed for that setup?
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| 13:42 | <nubae> I have a question, when one does build-ltsp-client on hardy, how can one make it build a intrepid chroot?
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| 13:42 | johnny, depends if u do normal or --highfat
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| 13:43 | <johnny> normal
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| 13:43 | <nubae> but I've tested with 128 and it will work, albeit slow
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| 13:43 | <johnny> so .. what kinda environment do you get?
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| 13:43 | for users
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| 13:44 | <nubae> ubuntu-desktop human-theme ubuntu-artwork edubuntu-artwork edubuntu-desktop language-pack-gnome-en firefox ubufox evolution libflashsupport avahi-daemon gnome-mount flashplugin-nonfree swfdec-mozilla
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| 13:45 | <nubae> a web terminal with some educational stuff
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| 13:45 | I could add abiword in there I guess for a little more usability
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| 13:45 | <Lns> nubae: ltsp-build-client --dist intrepid ?
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| 13:46 | <nubae> that will change apt.sources.list for intrepid?
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| 13:46 | s/for/to
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| 13:47 | <Lns> nubae: hmm, maybe not - "E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/intrepid"
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| 13:47 | <ogra> that a) only works backwards (debootstrap needs to know the distro) and b) wasnt tested since about 2 years by anyone
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| 13:48 | <Lns> jerickson@Fibonacci:/usr/share/debootstrap/scripts$ ls breezy etch gutsy hoary.buildd sarge sid woody dapper etch-m68k hardy lenny sarge.buildd warty woody.buildd edgy feisty hoary potato sarge.fakechroot warty.buildd
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| 13:48 | * Lns remembers potato :) | |
| 13:48 | <Gadi> nubae: I wonder if instead of all of the insecure hackery with passwords, if you could make use of the pam_exec module - make it auth required with the command ssh -l $PAM_USER $SERVER /bin/true
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| 13:48 | <ogra> bah, no rex and bo
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| 13:50 | <nubae> Gadi: I'll look into it for next version
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> well, it would be better than exporting /etc/shadow
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| 13:51 | and pam_exec is in main
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| 13:52 | <nubae> where are the security pitfalls exactly?
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> if you send me your shadow file, I can let my computer crack it for me
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| 13:52 | :)
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| 13:53 | there is a reason it is not world-readable
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| 13:53 | <nubae> right but the shadow file is owned and copied to the admin users home dir
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| 13:53 | <ogra> yeah, just pastebin it
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| 13:53 | <nubae> and then via scp to /etc/shadow on the client
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:53 | <nubae> I'm still missing something
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> I guess not as bad
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| 13:54 | I thought it was on an exported share
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| 13:54 | in the clear
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| 13:54 | <nubae> oh no... that wouldn't work out either because would overwrite the clients own groups
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| 13:54 | thats why I did it this way
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| 13:54 | * ogra would still pastebin it and then screen scrape the pastebin from the client | |
| 13:54 | <nubae> its not super elegant, but it works... the only problem is requirement of crontab
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| 13:55 | <ogra> security by obsurity ...
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| 13:55 | s/obscurity/absurdity/
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| 13:55 | <laga_> ogra: i think with most pastebins, you can download the raw content
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| 13:55 | <ogra> pfft ... that would make the code to easy
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| 13:56 | <laga_> is there an XML schema for the shadow file?
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> nubae: actually, you can replace the whole thing with pam_exec + rc.d script for local apps (more or less)
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| 13:56 | that would be cool
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| 13:56 | <nubae> Gadi: I know...
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> eliminates the need for crontab completely
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| 13:56 | and ssh-server
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| 13:56 | <nubae> but its been done this way now, so I'm not throwing in the towl
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> right
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| 13:57 | I understand
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| 13:57 | <ogra> laga_, btw, thanks fr the aufs fixes... really helped mobile
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| 13:57 | <nubae> anyway, its useful for deployments that want customised chroots
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| 13:58 | tuxlabs is using it for various larger deployments with different sets of uses, and they want to implement using ldap, so then pam_exec + local apps isnt needed
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| 13:58 | <laga_> ogra: the kernel guys drive me nuts sometimes
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| 13:59 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> right - but you are still talking ldap+nfs
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| 13:59 | <nubae> true nfs is ugly
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> pam_exec + local_apps does it all through ssh
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| 13:59 | which can be nice
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| 13:59 | <nubae> I will look into that
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> just an option
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| 14:01 | <nubae> hmmm so with nfs... when u copy something across the network, it can still be snooped right?
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> with less setup
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| 14:01 | <nubae> thats the security pitfall, right?
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> until nfsv4, nfs has no encryption
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| 14:02 | <nubae> and nfs4 needs kerberos for encryption as I understand it
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> right
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| 14:02 | using the ssh approach, you can use whatever auth you want on the backend
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| 14:02 | ldap, AD, NIS, etc
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| 14:02 | so, it doesnt limit you
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| 14:02 | <johnny> what is the performance like..
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| 14:02 | i wonder
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| 14:03 | <nubae> yeah I'll try to get my head around it
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| 14:03 | <johnny> sshfs vs nfs v4
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> well, you are only using it for homedirs
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| 14:03 | so, program performance is not impacted
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| 14:03 | only writing/reading homedir files
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| 14:03 | not sure you would see much of a difference
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| 14:03 | <nubae> does local apps allow mounting local devs?
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> in most use-cases
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| 14:04 | the local apps piece I am talking about is the auth part
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| 14:04 | the local dev stuff on a fat client would be handled by the desktop volume manager
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| 14:04 | running locally
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| 14:05 | <nubae> right, but I'm asking how local apps does it
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> oh, local apps doesnt change how it is normally done - with ltspfs
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| 14:05 | * Lns likes it when his ltsp customers' problems consist of something obvious like a full partition | |
| 14:05 | <Gadi> local apps doesnt touch local devs
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| 14:06 | <nubae> ok, kinda makes sense
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> now, if you run local app firefox and you want to save to a flash drive, that's a good question
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| 14:07 | I don't think we have addressed that yet
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| 14:07 | <nubae> or open office?
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> short of putting back a symlink in the homedir to the server's /media/$USER, I am not sure how we would
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| 14:08 | but, at least symlinks through sshfs stay on the remote side
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| 14:08 | so, that would work
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| 14:08 | <ogra> ??
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| 14:08 | you need the symlink on the client
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| 14:08 | not on the server
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> no, in the homedir that links to the server's /media/$USER
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| 14:09 | unless you have a volume manager I am not aware of on the client
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| 14:09 | <ogra> huh ??
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| 14:09 | <nubae> the homedir would be mounted on the client no?
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> sure
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| 14:09 | but, if you put a symlink from /home/user/tmp to /tmp
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| 14:09 | and browse to it
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| 14:09 | <ogra> you need /media/$USER/<device> pointing to /mountpoint/<device> on the client
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> you *should* see /tmp on the server
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| 14:10 | as the homedir is sshfs
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| 14:10 | <ogra> why and how would a locally runing FF access the server at all ?
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> ogra: that connection is already plumbed with ltspfs
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| 14:10 | <ogra> on the client ?
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> through sshfs
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| 14:10 | <ogra> definately now
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| 14:10 | *not
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> mounted on the client
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| 14:10 | <ogra> /media is mounted on the client ?
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| 14:10 | by what ?
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> no
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| 14:11 | <ogra> right
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> /home/user is mounted on client
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| 14:11 | via sshfs
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| 14:11 | <ogra> which has absolutely no access to /media anywhere
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| 14:11 | you need /media/$USER/<device> pointing to /mountpoint/<device> on the client
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> and a symlink in that fs space is a symlink to the server's filesystem space
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| 14:11 | <ogra> then FF on the client can acess the device
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> which it is via ltspfs
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| 14:11 | <ogra> what symlink
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> ok, this is what I mean:
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| 14:12 | * ogra already doesnt like it | |
| 14:12 | <Gadi> if computer A has /home/user as an sshfs mount to B:/home/user
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| 14:12 | <ogra> (since i suspect i know what comes)
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> and there is a symlink /home/user/tmp -> /tmp
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| 14:13 | <ogra> (which is why we dont support KDE yet)
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> then, when I browse /home/user on computer A
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| 14:13 | <v-pro> ogra: would it be possible to get a draft of the lts.conf documentation without the trouble of installing bazaar tools?
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> the /tmp/ that I see on /home/user/tmp is B:/tmp
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| 14:13 | <ogra> !docs
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| 14:13 | <ltspbot> ogra: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 14:13 | <nubae> hehe, useful on its first day up! :-)
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| 14:13 | <ogra> v-pro, if you want to contribute you will need bzr though
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| 14:14 | Gadi, why do i need to see /tmp ?
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> ogra: it is an example
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| 14:14 | <ogra> better: why do i need to see b:/tmp ?
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> if the symlink were to; /media/$USER , I would see B:/media/$USER
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| 14:14 | <ogra> whats the usecase ?
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| 14:14 | <v-pro> ogra: I am after some answers for now :)
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> since B:/media/$USER/<device> is already an ltspfs mount to A:<device>
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| 14:15 | I would be able to save docs that way
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| 14:15 | <ogra> you need /media/$USER/<device> pointing to /mountpoint/<device> on the client
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| 14:15 | to repeat myself
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> which IT IS
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| 14:15 | <ogra> no
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> to repeat myself
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| 14:16 | through LOCALDEV=Y
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| 14:16 | <ogra> its a link on the server
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> :)
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| 14:16 | <ogra> i dont involve server or network at all
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> in this example, B is the server and A is the client
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| 14:16 | <ogra> understood
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> right, the better way would be to keep everything local
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| 14:17 | <ogra> but why would you want your data to go through the net twice if you can do a local disk copy
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| 14:17 | right
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> which involves a local desktop-independent volume manager
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| 14:17 | (which I have advocated for years now)
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| 14:17 | :)
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| 14:17 | <ogra> ??
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| 14:17 | it only involves a link
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> do I not run ltspfs locally?
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| 14:17 | ;)
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| 14:17 | what link?
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| 14:18 | <ogra> hmm, right, you need to overcome the unmounting
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| 14:18 | /media/$USER/<device> pointing to /mountpoint/<device> on the client
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> right
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| 14:18 | * nubae feels dizzy | |
| 14:18 | <Gadi> I don't know what that does to the Save dialog in local FF
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| 14:18 | :)
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| 14:18 | <ogra> but i think ltspfsd can listen to that
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> ie, all of the "Computer" magic
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| 14:19 | right
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| 14:19 | <ogra> FF aill show you the devices plus everything in /media
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| 14:19 | since we have hal by default on clients
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> you don't need local gnome for that?
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| 14:19 | <ogra> (X doesnt work without hal and dbus anymore)
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| 14:19 | no
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| 14:19 | hal should be enough
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> cool
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| 14:20 | <ogra> probably some plug between hal and FF we dont install atm
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| 14:20 | but which definately exists
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| 14:20 | <v-pro> LDM_DIRECTX = True
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| 14:21 | whoops, does that work? Without disabling anything else than encryption?
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> v-pro: it causes X to not be tunneled thru ssh but go directly back to the Xserver running on the thin client
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| 14:22 | <v-pro> what about the signaling that local devices use?
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> still works
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| 14:23 | <v-pro> great
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> you still create the ssh tunnel
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| 14:23 | just dont use it for video
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| 14:23 | <v-pro> ok
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| 14:23 | <v-pro> just what I need :)
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| 14:23 | <Lns> hrm... nbdswapd manpage (in ubuntu anyway) shows 9210 as the port still...
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> another satisfied customer
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| 14:24 | <v-pro> indeed
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| 14:24 | <ogra> Lns, bug :)
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| 14:25 | though it might be that we use that if not called by inetd
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| 14:25 | check the conf first
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| 14:25 | * ogra goes for dinner and TV | |
| 14:26 | <Lns> ogra: it looks like 9210 was the original port (from that nbd_port bug) that was switched to 9572 in ltsp-client-setup after the patch was applied
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| 14:26 | the man page probably just didn't get updated, i'll report it
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| 14:30 | <Lns> vagrantc: !
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| 14:30 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 14:31 | <Lns> ears burning...i found a typo in the nbdswapd manpage (9210 as port still).. you want me to file a bug?
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| 14:32 | * vagrantc sees anything but 9210 as a bug | |
| 14:32 | <vagrantc> ubuntu deviated from the default for ltsp, which was 9210
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| 14:32 | <v-pro> btw. any plans to include freenx to ltsp?
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| 14:33 | the proxy at least would be handy?
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> v-pro: make it work and submit patches... there hasn't been a completely free NX implementation, as far as i'm aware.
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| 14:34 | <v-pro> I actually have a somewhat working version of it
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| 14:35 | but don't have enough time to enhance it
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> so turn your somewhat working setup into patches :)
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| 14:35 | <v-pro> maybe later
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| 14:35 | <Lns> vagrantc: so the default *is* 9210? Because in hardy-updates, ltsp-client-setup changed NBD_PORT to 9572
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| 14:35 | and 9572 is what's in inetd.conf
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> Lns: ubuntu changed the default to 9572
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| 14:36 | <Lns> ah
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> and i've reluctantly followed suite
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| 14:36 | er, suit
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| 14:36 | <Lns> so.. should we update the manpage for ubuntu only... ? what was the reason for the port change?
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| 14:36 | seems kinda lame
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> i think most LTSP5 implementations are using 9572, but previous versions of LTSP and some implementations in debian (and maybe ubuntu) used 9210.
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| 14:39 | <Lns> vagrantc: ok..so how do we avoid this confusion in the manpage? Is ubuntu going to stick with 9572?
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| 14:39 | * vagrantc is not in a position to answer that question | |
| 14:42 | * Lns is confused | |
| 14:47 | * vagrantc works on debian | |
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| 15:00 | <Lns> vagrantc: i guess we have to change your manpage on ubuntu only then
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> Lns: i would check in with all distros and see what they're using
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| 15:05 | <nubae> does debian use 9210?
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| 15:16 | * Lns wishes there weren't ever issues as trivial as "which port do I use" for critical services | |
| 15:16 | <johnny> there isn't
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| 15:16 | this service isn't critical :)
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| 15:16 | <Lns> johnny: blar! =p
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| 15:16 | <johnny> critical services are in /etc/services
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| 15:16 | take a look
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| 15:16 | <Lns> johnny: i didn't mean <1024 services
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| 15:17 | <johnny> no.. that has >1024
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| 15:17 | xmpp is in there
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| 15:17 | 5222
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| 15:17 | even monotone has a port
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| 15:17 | <Lns> hm
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| 15:17 | maybe it's an issue of getting nbd* in /etc/services... ??
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| 15:18 | if AIM gets a line in there, nbdswapd should too
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| 15:20 | <nubae> hmmm so how do I install an intrepid chroot on a hardy system?
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| 15:20 | <Lns> nubae: cp -a ? :)
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| 15:20 | nubae: why do you want to do that?
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| 15:21 | for fat-client support?
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| 15:21 | <nubae> right
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| 15:21 | it requires intrepid to work
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| 15:21 | <Lns> ah
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| 15:21 | <nubae> well, it probably works on hardy too
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| 15:21 | but with the massive problems its had, I dont dare support that
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| 15:23 | so any ideas?
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| 15:31 | <Lns> nubae: not really, besides copying a chroot from a native intrepid install to hardy and just using that
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| 15:31 | * Lns doesn't have much experience in using different distros for chroots than the "host" system | |
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| 16:56 | <ltsppbot> "Lns" pasted "Very slow booting of thin clients after updating chroot...any clues?" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/27
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| 17:00 | <Lns> Ubuntu Hardy install btw... weird issues.
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| 17:01 | Is there a delay on client bootup when creating an nbd swapfile on the server?
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| 17:01 | If so, how long? I'm hearing 4-5 minutes to boot up to ldm...
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> should be almost instantaneous
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| 17:03 | nbd swapfile creation, that is
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| 17:04 | <Lns> vagrantc: ok..weird message then. All i've done is update the client chroot with hardy-updates and this has started happening at a couple of different sites.
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| 17:18 | <Lns> ltsp-update-kernels simply takes the kernel from the existing chroot and copies it to tftpboot right?
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> Lns: yes.
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| 17:30 | <Lns> vagrantc: so the order in which you run 'ltsp-update-kernels' and 'ltsp-update-image' after, say a chroot upgrade isn't important
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| 17:30 | as long as both are done
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> Lns: for the most part, yes. though probably better to run update-kernels first, so the image isn't inconsitant with the chroot.
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| 17:33 | <Lns> vagrantc: but as long as you don't touch the chroot after upgrading it and running update-image (and THEN running update-kernels) they'll be the same, right?
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> Lns: probably.
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| 17:33 | <Lns> lol ok
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| 17:33 | just trying to t/s bootup issues, that's the only thing i can come up with that i did wrong
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| 17:34 | but i ran them both in succession
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> ltsp-update-image should always be run last. why bother getting into the minutiae of weather it *could* be run earlier?
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| 17:35 | <Lns> vagrantc: well like i said i'm just troubleshooting some issues and that's the only thing i can come up with that i did wrong
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| 18:47 | <stgraber> ogra: I don't think you are still around, are you ?
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| 18:59 | <nubae> its 2 am here :-)
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| 19:01 | <Lns> nubae: hehe, always on the chan ;)
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| 19:01 | it's 1min after quitting time here (5pm)
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| 19:01 | <nubae> Im just stuck trying to get cdemu to work
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| 19:01 | <stgraber> nubae: yeah I know but well, it's ogra :)
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| 19:02 | that was to give him the good news that my two FFe have been granted so we'll get a new ltsp and ldm in Ubuntu for Intrepid.
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| 19:02 | <nubae> woohoo
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| 19:03 | excellent :-)
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| 19:03 | <Lns> stgraber: wooo :)
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| 19:03 | <stgraber> yeah
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| 19:03 | <Lns> now can we get SRUs for hardy? ;)
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| 19:03 | <stgraber> I just don't have the right to upload them to main myself (but should soon have) so I need him to upload :)
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| 19:03 | Lns: SRU no, backport, you can ask the backport team :)
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| 19:04 | <Lns> stgraber: is a backport generally easier to get?
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| 19:04 | <stgraber> Lns: for SRU you'd need to be specific on what fix you want
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| 19:04 | <Lns> ah
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| 19:04 | <stgraber> Lns: yeah, a backport let's you get a newer version a SRU is keeping the same version but patching it
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| 19:04 | so it's usually harder to have a SRU than a backport
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| 19:04 | but SRU are supported (as in -updates) and backports aren't (they are in -backports)
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| 19:05 | <Lns> stgraber: gotcha.
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| 19:05 | it's all becoming clearer now... ;)
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| 21:24 | <warren> http://disklessworkstations.com/ Why does etherboot cost more than PXE boot?
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