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Channel log from 25 August 2022 (all times are UTC)

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04:39	<alkisg> !tag
04:39	<ltspbot`> tag: tag: git tag -s v20.03 -m 'Version 20.03' && git push --tags
04:41	<alkisg> !forget tag
04:41	<ltspbot`> The operation succeeded.
04:42	<alkisg> !learn tag as To tag a new LTSP version, first commit and push normally, then: git tag -s v22.01 -m 'Version 22.01' && git push --tags
04:42	<ltspbot`> The operation succeeded.
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10:24	<RadovanZajic[m]> Hi, I've some issue with Ubuntu 22.04.1 and Epoptes. I can't broadcast my screen to clients (xubuntu 20.04 / 22.04; epoptes, epoptes-client 20.01-1). Aplication raises 111 error. Everything works fine, when I downgraded TeacherPC to ubuntu 20.04.
10:25	* ubuntu 20.04. Could you please help me?
10:25	<alkisg> Radovan Zajic: can you paste the full error?
10:26	<RadovanZajic[m]> error: "unable connect to socket: Connection refused (111)"
10:27	<alkisg> Do you mind sharing your screen with me?
10:27	!vnc-edide
10:27	<ltspbot`> vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
10:32	<RadovanZajic[m]> <ltspbot`> "vnc-edide: To share your..." <- "Graphic (VNC) Connection failed", should I use "Console(screen)" connection?
10:33	<alkisg> Radovan Zajic: did you mistype the hostname? Did you put http in front?
10:33	(you shouldn't put http)
10:33	Or just this: x11vnc -connect alkisg.ltsp.org
10:34	<RadovanZajic[m]> alkisg: ###############################################################... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/cd789fd6a7a982f9e2593e344b288138d5fce6d4)
10:34	<alkisg> Ah that's wayland
10:34	Screen sharing, broadcasting etc do not work there
10:35	It's strange that xfce does, I thought it wasn't ready for production on wayland yet
10:35	Logout, select the xorg session, and test there
10:35	<RadovanZajic[m]> alkisg: OK. Thank you for response. I'll try.
10:39	alkisg: It works. Thank You! Bey
10:40	<alkisg> Bye! :)
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16:05	<SysadmOFF> @alk
16:12	alkisg vagrantc Hi,guys. Trying to use ltsp with deepin. But looks like "http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/deepin/pool/main/l/ltsp/" doesnt have all what i need
16:13	ltsp-info
16:13	https://pastebin.com/JBHGmanb
16:13	<alkisg> !ppa
16:13	<ltspbot`> ppa: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/ppa describes how Debian and Ubuntu users may add the upstream LTSP PPA to their sources, to be able to install LTSP
16:14	<alkisg> !forget ppa
16:14	<ltspbot`> The operation succeeded.
16:14	<alkisg> !learn ppa as https://ltsp.org/docs/ppa/ describes how Debian and Ubuntu users may add the upstream LTSP PPA to their sources, to be able to install the latest LTSP versions
16:14	<ltspbot`> The operation succeeded.
16:14	<alkisg> SysadmOFF: read that wiki page ^
16:14	It's part of the installation instructions...
16:16	<SysadmOFF> no,this doesnt work
16:16	aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template for Deepin/apricot
16:16	but im able to install some packages with "apt install"
16:19	<alkisg> what command produced that output?
16:19	<SysadmOFF> add-apt-repository ppa:ltsp
16:22	alkisg https://pastebin.com/wxG33S6y
16:26	<alkisg> SysadmOFF: follow the instructions in the wiki page for DEBIAN not for ubuntu
16:26	https://ltsp.org/docs/ppa/
16:27	<vagrantc> SysadmOFF: you've got persistance, i'll give you that! :)
16:28	<SysadmOFF> :') im not sure..maybe its a stupidity. ))
16:30	<alkisg> SysadmOFF: btw what's the point of trying any weird distribution out there, instead of the normal ones?
16:31	<SysadmOFF> im trying to find a distro which i can deploy via ipxe, but it should be fast at boot and not so ugly like mint\ubuntu
16:33	<alkisg> SysadmOFF: I don't think deepin is faster at boot compared to any other distributions; so it's just a matter of adding a theme to mint/ubuntu/debian?
16:33	And the end goal is to deploy (=local installation), or to netboot?
16:33	<vagrantc> boot speed will mostly be determined by your network hardware ...
16:33	<SysadmOFF> target is to get netbook diskless OS
16:34	solus is fastest than other, but not applicable for netboot as live diskless OS.Clear linux also fast and good, but not applicable for ltsp.Mint is ugly and take around 60sec from powerbutton till greeter. Sometimes it hungs =(
16:34	<vagrantc> some small differences between distros, but the ones that try to get really fast boot times usually do that by removing lots of features
16:34	<alkisg> OK, then stick to the well supported ones and just search for a theme (or a derivative pseudo-distribution that just adds a theme on top of debian/ubuntu)
16:34	<vagrantc> and often you'll need those features
16:35	<SysadmOFF> alkisg maybe Deepin will be the same as mint, but it much more pretty than others( Users makes money and wants to be happy with OS ))
16:35	<alkisg> I doubt clearlnux has its own desktop environment; doesn't it use plain gnome?
16:35	<SysadmOFF> alkisg im trying, but most of themes its a just an old style kde/gnome.
16:36	vagrantc agree with you. I spent a low of time for that. And now im just installing OS, deploying ltsp and testing. Next step - i will think how to remove all shit from OS.
16:37	@al
16:37	alkisg Yes, thats why im trying such rare distros. They have specific desktops themes. not just colored gnome/kde
16:39	Now my users working on Win10, and deepin have a very similar to windows desktop env. Changing OS will no be so painful for them, i believe ))
16:50	<alkisg> My exprience says the theme doesn't help much
16:51	Stick to the main distributions where they can tutorials for installing the programs they'll need
16:51	*get
16:53	<SysadmOFF> i will prepare live image with all apps. And it will be one image for all. There is no specific app which i have to support or install.
16:57	<quinox> my experience: if users can survive 95->xp->win7->win10->win11 they'll do fine with Linux as long as their browser icon is put center-stage on their desktop
16:58	they'll complain, sure, but they'll do that anyways :)
16:58	I honestly don't mind them complaining, it feels like it's their way of processing the world, I just nod and give them time
17:02	<SysadmOFF> my users 18-25 years old people)
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17:19	<SysadmOFF> alkisg Could not locate vmlinuz and initrd.img in /srv/ltsp/images/x86_64.img
17:19	very strange
17:24	found workaround..will try
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19:05	<SysadmOFF17> https://ibb.co/Wtn9B37
19:06	deepin grumble while boot via ltsp
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20:03	<alkisg> SysadmOFF17: yeh, unfortunately such distributions have very low packaging quality and a lot of local changes that are incompatible with other packages
20:03	In this case, they have made pam changes without proper integration, so when ltsp runs pam-auth-update, that dialog is presented
20:04	The proper solution is to tell them to use /usr/share/pam-configs instead of manually modifying /etc/pamd.
20:04	.d
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21:58	<SysadmOFF17> alkisg is there any good place to add "pam-auth-update --force" into ltsp to skip that window about PAM?
22:07	pam-auth-update --package ltsp --force
22:08	in /usr/share/ltsp/client/login/pamltsp should work i think
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