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Channel log from 24 August 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:11 | <isojussi> i have a weird problem. Client boots fine, but after entering username and password i can hear login sound but then in just gets back to login screen.
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| 04:13 | <isojussi> but I can login with user that have admin rights
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| 04:19 | <sep> can you login with the problem user on the real server ? (iow is it a problem with the user or with ltsp? )
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| 05:42 | <isojussi> i have this problem http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1474398.html , but those things does not help me to get users to login.
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| 06:08 | <isojussi> found a solution https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/622641
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| 06:11 | anyone what is the command in lts.conf to disable sound?
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| 07:11 | <mae_tae> hello people, how do i fix this error ltsp-client-core, it says cannot be installed on this machine
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| 07:32 | <alkisg> mae_tae: distro/version?
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| 07:32 | <mae_tae> ubuntu 9
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| 07:32 | <alkisg> And where/how are you trying to install ltsp-client-core? On the server or the chroot?
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| 07:33 | <mae_tae> alkisg, i've notice that on the client side, it already receive its dynamic ip from the server, but it seems that tftpd doesnt work, seems like file not found
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> Erm, let's step back, so, the problem is installing ltsp-client-core or tftp?
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| 07:33 | <mae_tae> alkisg, that problem came out when i tried to type ltsp-update-sshkeys, it seems its not installed
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> So you had a running ltsp installation so far?
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| 07:34 | And then you tried to type ltsp-update-sshkeys and a tftp problem happened?
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| 07:34 | <mae_tae> alkisg, yes, i've done that already
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| 07:34 | alkisg, yes
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> So you had an ltsp installation that was working without ltsp-update-sshkeys? That doesn't sound possible
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| 07:35 | <mae_tae> alkisg, yes, so i notice it seems that tftpd is not working, so installed it again, thats why i got that error ltsp-client-core cannot be installed on this machine, i dont know if i still needed that
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> mae_tae: well, the things you're saying do not make sense at all
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| 07:36 | tftpd doens't depend on ltsp-client-core
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| 07:36 | ltsp-client-core goes on the chroot, not on the server
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| 07:36 | <mae_tae> alkisg, i just see on the client side that it has already that dhcp ip, and after that it seems it fails on tftp
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> and, you can't have ltsp-server without ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 07:37 | <mae_tae> i see
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> So, let's do this with commands instead
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| 07:37 | <mae_tae> alkisg, do i need to put fixed ip address on eth0?
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> Run this on the server: dpkg -l ltsp-server tftpd-hpa openbsd-inetd | grep ^ii
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| 07:38 | <mae_tae> ok
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> You (usually) need a fixed address on the nic that's facing the ltsp clients, yes
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| 07:39 | And usually it's on a completely different subnet (switch) that the other nic
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| 07:39 | <mae_tae> i see
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> But since you said you had it working before, this shouldn't be a problem, right?
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| 07:40 | What did the dpkg command return?
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| 07:41 | <mae_tae> alkisg, sorry i can no longer test it, im now longer in the lab, ill try it tomorrow
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| 07:41 | <alkisg> Erm, it won't make any difference
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| 07:41 | It was just a command to tell us which versions you have installed
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| 07:41 | <mae_tae> alkisg, what usually do i expect in the result?
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| 07:41 | <alkisg> You need to be on the lab to have good feedback
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| 07:41 | <mae_tae> i see
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| 07:43 | alkisg, in the client side, what usually the error if it tfpd is not installed or not properly configured?
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> tftp timeout
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| 07:43 | <mae_tae> what i just remembered is that it has already received that dhcp ip, and fails on that tfpd, seems file not found
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| 07:43 | something like that
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| 07:43 | i see
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| 07:44 | alkisg, i remember its also edubuntu, its not ubuntu
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> Also there's no 9 version, it's either 9.04 or 9.10 :)
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| 07:45 | <mae_tae> alkisg, heheh, does version matters?
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> Yes, that's why I asked
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| 07:45 | <mae_tae> i see
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| 07:45 | how do i restart ltsp
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| 07:46 | or i just run that dhcp3-server
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| 07:46 | ?
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| 07:49 | alkisg, if assuming everything is fine, would it have the same windows like in the server?
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> mae_tae: read the docs for some details about how ltsp works
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| 07:49 | !docs
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| 07:49 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> When you're at the lab and have a specific problem to debug, feel free to ping me
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| 07:50 | <mae_tae> thanks alkisg, maybe if encounter an error again tomorrow, ill just write and present it to you again, thanks for time
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> np
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| 07:53 | <mae_tae> alkisg, last one, if ever if its connection time out, how do i fix it? what file will i modify? and lastly how do i restart ltsp?
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| 07:54 | <alkisg> A tftp problem can usually be either a dhcpd.conf problem, a wrongly wired networking problem, a /etc/inetd.conf problem, or a /etc/default/tftpd-hpa problem
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| 07:55 | There's no ltsp service to restart. It consists of several daemons (tftp, dhcp, nbd, ssh...) which you restart seperately. Read the docs.
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| 07:58 | <mae_tae> i see, i read an article also now, do i need to install also NFS? aside from that openssh-server
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> You don't need to install anything other than ltsp-server-standalone, all dependencies are installed automatically. Again, docs. See also the web site docs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
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| 08:01 | <mae_tae> yap, actually thats the one i followed that site
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| 12:52 | <[GuS]> Hi guys, i am trying now to make sound works in LTSP5 terminals using gentoo. The conf that the guide suggest, it enough? http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/LTSP
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| 12:58 | <Appiah> well
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| 12:58 | you could always try and find out? :)
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| 14:33 | <winthrowe> hello all, I'm having some kind of dchp problem. I can boot fine from the same switch as the server, but not from another switch. http://bit.ly/97JMcg seems to describe my problem, except I'm running a version it was supposed to be fixed in. any ideas?
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| 16:37 | <grantk> I was wondering if it is a good idea to use a existing ltsp server as a ltsp-cluster app server?
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| 16:38 | I guess I should say will the existing ltsp install cause problems?
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| 17:28 | <winthrowe> is there anyone who can give me a hand with ltsp booting in conjunction with cisco switches?
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| 17:29 | <johnny> should just work right?
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| 17:29 | anyways.. this isn't a good time for support in this channel.. most people are away by this time of day
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| 17:29 | in fact, i was just passing time while my food is cooking
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| 17:29 | <winthrowe> what's a better time, usually?
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| 17:29 | <johnny> you should probably idle for awhile
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> winthrowe: just ask your questions, and people will respond when they can... try and stay online for as long as possible, really, so you might catch their replies...
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| 17:30 | there are people in all sorts of different timezones with different skillsets
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| 17:31 | <johnny> 0700 GMT - 1900 GMT or thereabouts
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| 17:31 | but yes vagrantc is right, be specific right off the back, nobody wants to spend time probing for questions
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| 17:31 | they are more likely to ignore it
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| 17:32 | <winthrowe> when I boot a machine attached to the same switch as the server, everything is fine. when I try to boot a machine attached to another switch, the PXE dhcp is fine, but the linux portion just sends DHCPDISCOVER endlessly
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> winthrowe: distro / version?
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| 17:33 | <winthrowe> ubuntu 10.4
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> Are you using the dhcp server on the ltsp server?
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| 17:34 | <winthrowe> no, a preexisting debian box, I can grab versions if you'd like
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| 17:35 | <alkisg> Nah, there's a bug with cisco routers functioning as dhcp servers, I was asking about that
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| 17:36 | Can you try fixing the netmask bug? let me find it...
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| 17:37 | <winthrowe> alkisg: I can try pretty much anything, just let me know
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/604276
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| 17:37 | Uh, no, never mind that
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| 17:38 | That's after it gets the dhcp addresss
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| 17:38 | Hm....
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| 17:39 | <winthrowe> that's what I've been saying the last few days :)
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> One easy way to bypass this is to use ipappend 3, but I wonder why it won't work with 2 switches...
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| 17:40 | Does the debian dhcp server log say that it offers an address?
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| 17:41 | Or, if you could provide a tcpdump of the transaction...
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| 17:43 | <winthrowe> where would you like it dumped from? I have a machine on a hub that I've been trying to use wireshark with, or I could go to the server
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> The debian server would be best
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| 17:44 | Wireshark would also do, if it's on a hub with the dhcp server
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| 17:44 | <winthrowe> no, it's on a hub with a client, I'm out at the remote site, but I can ssh to the dhcp server
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| 17:46 | actually, I have my servers mixed up, the dhcp runs gentoo. is there a specific tcpdump command you'd like me to run?
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> The client side might also do (it's not necessarily the same as the server side, some switches might block some traffic)
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| 17:48 | Not sure about the command, maybe tcpdump -vv 'port 68 or port 69 ' ?
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| 17:48 | <winthrowe> I can do both
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| 17:52 | ok, getting everything setup to cut down on any extrenuous packets
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> Those are the dhcp ports, so just don't reboot any other pcs at that time
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| 17:52 | <winthrowe> easy to say, but the server serves a few hundred clients
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> Heh... but I think we'll see which one it is, the one that fails :D
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| 17:54 | Also, on another approach, after the tcpdump, try this: lucid is using udhcpc by default, not ipconfig. See if ipconfig works: put "break=mount" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, and on the busybox shell on the client, type: ipconfig eth0.
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| 17:56 | <winthrowe> capturing now
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| 17:58 | where would you like me to put them?
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| 17:58 | <alkisg> !pastebot
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| 17:58 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 18:01 | <winthrowe> I notice my client capture has more packets the server: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/QABFxmeV
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| 18:05 | <alkisg> winthrowe: while I'm trying to read the dumps, can you try the ipconfig thing?
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| 18:05 | <winthrowe> working on it already
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| 18:07 | the break=mount goes on the append line, correct?
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> Yes, replace quiet splash with it
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| 18:09 | <winthrowe> it's there, but it didn't seem to stop, but went right on to udhcpc
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| 18:10 | <alkisg> Do you have next-server=the ltsp server in your dhcpd.conf?
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| 18:10 | <winthrowe> I do
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| 18:10 | <alkisg> Pastebin your pxelinux.cfg/default...
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| 18:11 | <winthrowe> http://pastebin.com/bg9ibXwq
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| 18:12 | <alkisg> ...and then try this on your ltsp server: grep tftp /var/log/daemon.log | tail -n 20
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| 18:12 | Ah. Sorry, udhcpc runs on init-premount
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| 18:12 | Try break=init-premount, but I'm not sure if your keyboard will be working with that
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| 18:13 | <winthrowe> well, hopefully, it's ps/2. I'll give a shot
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| 18:14 | <alkisg> (I can only imagine a udhcpc bug so far...)
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| 18:15 | (which would be moot to report it, as the package in lucid is 5 years old, I requested an update for maverick and they did it, so it's a completely different udhcpc now in maverick... :-/)
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| 18:15 | <winthrowe> still didn't stop with init-premount
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| 18:15 | <alkisg> Try the grep command above
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| 18:16 | Is the tftp server actually used for pxelinux.0 etc?
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| 18:16 | * alkisg hopes you're not using etherboot... | |
| 18:16 | <winthrowe> http://pastebin.com/G4ViZmDG
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> I'm on a different timezone, but I don't see any new tries to load pxelinux.cfg/default, am I right?
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| 18:17 | <winthrowe> yes, the pxelinux.0 is on the tftp server, which is the ltsp server, but not dhcp
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| 18:18 | I see one one line 15
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> The last pxelinux.cfg/default was downloaded about 20 minutes ago
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| 18:18 | Didn't you just boot the client a couple of minutes ago?
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| 18:18 | <winthrowe> you're right, I didn't check the timestamp
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> Check if you have conflicting dhcp servers
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| 18:21 | <winthrowe> how would I do that, besides seeing no dhcp security violations on the switches?
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| 18:22 | <alkisg> The client isn't an etherboot client (with etherboot burned into its rom), right?
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| 18:22 | ...but still we'd be seeing nbi.img there, never mind
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| 18:22 | So, if the client boots, and you're not seeing a tftp entry there, then another tftp server is used
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| 18:22 | <winthrowe> I don't think so, they're HP desktops using onboard PXE nic
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> *I mean if it loads a kernel, of course
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| 18:23 | <winthrowe> and it does
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> For a moment you should be seeing the server ip while the client boots (depending on the rom)
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| 18:23 | Check if that's the ltsp server or some other pc
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| 18:24 | <winthrowe> one moment
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> Or, you could use gpxe, it has a "config" command which shows all the data received from the dhcp server for pxe
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| 18:24 | !gpxe
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| 18:24 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "gpxe" :: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> (boot from usb stick)
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| 18:27 | <winthrowe> the ip=... line that has client ip, ltsp ip, broadcast, netmask? those are all correct
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| 18:28 | <alkisg> Hmmm can you stop tftp on the ltsp server just for 2 minutes?
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| 18:28 | sudo stop tftpd-hpa
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| 18:28 | If the client boots then, we're sure it's using some other tftp server
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| 18:28 | <winthrowe> I can, one moment.
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| 18:30 | I see TFTP.....
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| 18:30 | open timeout
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> So, it's using the ltsp tftp server, but it's not logging the tftp request?! Wow...
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| 18:30 | Put verbose before starting it, moment..
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| 18:30 | (in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa)
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| 18:31 | TFTP_OPTIONS="--secure --verbose"
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| 18:31 | Then, sudo start tftpd-hpa, and then reboot the client and check the daemon.log
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| 18:33 | * alkisg wonders why break=init-premount doesn't work then :-/ | |
| 18:35 | <winthrowe> this should be everything relavant: http://pastebin.com/2nTygvDu
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> Looks good. And still break=init-premount did nothing?
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| 18:36 | <winthrowe> correct, still nothing.
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> Can you change vmlinuz to vmlinuz-fake to pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 18:36 | To verify that it doesn't find the kernel with that...
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| 18:37 | <winthrowe> could not find image, and a boot: prompt
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> ....
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| 18:38 | <winthrowe> I'll try gpxe, but I need to go downstairs to get some media of some kind
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> OK, change of plans:
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| 18:38 | <winthrowe> ok
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> Let's try removing udhcpc, then ipconfig will be used. Do this:
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| 18:39 | Move /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/udhcp to some backup location
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| 18:39 | Then, sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u
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| 18:40 | Then, sudo ltsp-update-kernsl
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| 18:40 | *ltsp-update-kernels
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| 18:40 | And reboot the client. This will revert to using ipconfig
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| 18:41 | (of course also restore vmlinuz-fake to vmlinuz)
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| 18:45 | <winthrowe> that seems to have done it.
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> @$(*&@#(* my bad. It should be break=premount
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| 18:45 | <Kyle__> Is there a way to trigger clients to restart with an update image (if they are at the long screen)?
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> Anyway, it was probably a udhcpc bug. Is it booting now?
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| 18:45 | <winthrowe> it is. I'd say definately a udhcpc bug
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| 18:45 | <Kyle__> I noticed they automatically restart if there is a new image at the time of a log-out...
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| 18:46 | <alkisg> winthrowe: unfortunately, it's not worth filing a bug against it, as it was a 5 year old package in lucid, and it's updated now
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| 18:47 | <winthrowe> alksig: is there any reason I should think this is a workaround instead of a fix, as far as ltsp as a whole is concerned?
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> winthrowe: well, if you ever update ltsp-client-core in the chroot, then the udhcp file will go there again, causing you the same problems
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> So, you should at least use dpkg-divert for it
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> Other than that, it's just the old (pre- 9.10) behavior. ipconfig doesn't renew its leases, but that rarely causes problems (dhcp servers usually ping to see if the ips are available before assigning them)
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| 19:46 | <nutron> Can I use ranges in the MAC blocks in lts.conf?
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| 19:47 | I've noticed that I need to "LIKE = NVIDIA" for quite a few machines, all of the macs start the same way 00:17:1D .. etc. I'm wondering if that's possible, it's just ugly, though no one's gonna smack me upside the head if I have a 20K lts.conf file.
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