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Channel log from 4 April 2015 (all times are UTC)
| 00:21 | <MarconM> !ltsp-pnp
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| 00:21 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 01:22 | <Excedere> Hey all, trying to get ltsp-build-client to run. I specified the location of the Release file in the .conf file, however it is still failing due to unknown location. Any suggestions?
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| 03:43 | <Excedere> bump
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| 05:08 | <alkisg> vagrantc: hi! Is r1229 in https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging supposed to be working against ltsp-trunk?
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| 05:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: not sure what you mean exactly
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| 05:28 | alkisg: that's just a changelog entry, no?
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| 05:28 | <alkisg> vagrantc: let's start with this first:
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| 05:28 | https://code.launchpad.net/~alkisg/+recipe/ldm-daily
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| 05:28 | With the previous recipe, I just got a failed build,
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| 05:28 | then I appended revno:1574 in the recipe for ldm,
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| 05:28 | <vagrantc> the debian-packaging branches are not targeted at trunk.
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> and now I got a succesfull build
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| 05:29 | Right
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| 05:29 | <vagrantc> they're targeted at whatever version is in debian
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> So, what revno should I be using for the ltsp package?
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| 05:29 | I.e. what revno did you use in debian?
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| 05:29 | <vagrantc> the tagged upstream version
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| 05:29 | alkisg: so in the case of the commit you reference, ltsp-5.5.4
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| 05:30 | <alkisg> So, r2614
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| 05:30 | But vagrantc we don't have a way to easily test trunk now
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| 05:31 | Is it possible to keep different branches per debian releases, so that you also have one for -trunk?
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| 05:31 | I wouldn't be handy to have to pull your packaging, apply a diff, push to launchpad, and *then* call a recipe to do a daily build...
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| 05:31 | *it
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| 05:33 | How are you managing it currently? Do you have one branch per debian release?
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| 05:38 | <vagrantc> i rarely have to maintain more than one or two branches
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| 05:39 | i can see the value in a daily build, but don't have the time to target another moving target
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| 05:39 | not that it's been moving much lately...
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| 05:48 | <alkisg> vagrantc: but won't you have to update the package anyway at some point?
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| 05:48 | Why do you consider it additional overhead?
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| 05:51 | Example:
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| 05:51 | You push this to ltsp-trunk: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2618 - Debian: Remove ltsp-build-client plugin pulseaudio-tweaks, as the
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| 05:51 | customizations are no longer needed.
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| 05:52 | That requires the respective quilt patch to be removed in debian/patches
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| 05:52 | If you do it at that time, in e.g. the "ltsp-trunk-debian-packaging" or "ltsp-debian-experimental-packaging" - however you want to call it,
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| 05:53 | then you don't have to figure out why packaging is broken at some later point when you'll be doing a release in e.g. experimental or unstable...
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| 05:53 | I.e. you're maintaining one packaging branch, and you're only doing the work once
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| 05:55 | vagrantc: If you want me to help in co-maintaining that branch, I'd be glad to
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| 05:55 | I could do simple things like dropping patches without asking you, and if there's something more significant then I would ping you
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| 05:56 | Otherwise I have to do double the work, to maintain that branch _and_ sync it with yours once in a while; I've done that in the past and I didn't like it...
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| 05:56 | :)
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| 06:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: when trunk was more active, not following it saved me from having to figure out all sorts of issues that got sorted out in trunk in 3-4 different ways
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| 06:12 | i only had to adjust packaging once rather than 3 or 4 times
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| 06:12 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I offer to do that for you if you want
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| 06:12 | *for me, actually, but in your branch :)
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| 06:12 | I just hate duplicate work
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| 06:12 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what do you mean by "in my branch" ?
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| 06:12 | <alkisg> I mean that I would have to do the packaging changes in order to build it
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| 06:12 | In some local packaging branch
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| 06:13 | <vagrantc> i've never used bzr's multiple branches in a single repository support ...
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| 06:13 | <alkisg> Then when you did the same changes in your branch, I would have to sync it with mine
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| 06:13 | I mean that you could give me commit access to the packaging branch...
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| 06:13 | I'd be careful, no worries :)
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| 06:14 | <vagrantc> i'm just not sure what you mean by it being my branch, as currently the branches are maintained in the pkg-ltsp project branches.
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| 06:14 | <alkisg> Do I have commit access there?
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| 06:15 | <vagrantc> i'd be happy to get you commit access!
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| 06:15 | alkisg: you'll need an account on alioth.debian.org
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| 06:15 | <alkisg> I do have a guest account there, but...
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| 06:15 | <vagrantc> ok, i'll need to figure out how to give you commit access
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| 06:16 | honestly, i've really been tempted to do the debian packaging in a merged upstream/master git branch lately...
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| 06:16 | er, merged packaging/master branch.
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| 06:16 | <alkisg> ...if I'll be synching the packaging with ltsp-trunk, and you want the older packaging version e.g. to issue a security update for jessie, will you have an issue with that?
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| 06:16 | We can easily move ltsp to github :)
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| 06:16 | <vagrantc> meh.
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| 06:17 | oh, you mean as a projecT?
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| 06:17 | <alkisg> Yeah
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| 06:17 | All the new projects do that :P
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| 06:17 | * alkisg doesn't really care about bzr vs git as long as the overhead is low | |
| 06:17 | <vagrantc> it took ages, but at least the launchpad platform was finally opened up...
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| 06:18 | <alkisg> I.e. I don't want to manually sync git + bzr + translations from 10 different sites
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| 06:18 | * vagrantc nods | |
| 06:18 | * vagrantc is using git-remote-bzr for most bzr work these days | |
| 06:19 | <vagrantc> works fine for everything but tagging versions
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| 06:19 | <alkisg> vagrantc: did you get a mail about half an hour ago, with this subject? [recipe build #899428] of ~alkisg ltsp-daily in trusty: Failed to build
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| 06:19 | I was hoping not to bother the other ltsp devs with failed builds, so I put the recipes in my own account
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| 06:20 | So if you didn't get that mail, it's working
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| 06:20 | <vagrantc> haven't seen anything
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 06:21 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i suppose you're wanting to resolve all this stuff before debconf :)
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| 06:21 | <alkisg> vagrantc: people here are asking to test the ldm hash password fix etc, I just wanted to have a way to provide them with a newer ltsp version
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| 06:21 | Ubuntu doesn't even have the Jessie version yet
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| 06:22 | I think stgraber doesn't have much time for LTSP nowadays, I wish he'd drop all the Ubuntu-specific bits and just sync with Debian
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| 06:22 | <vagrantc> have you run into the issue with pxelinux.0 and related files not getting copied?
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| 06:22 | <alkisg> No I haven't used anything beyond 14.04 yet so I haven't seen it
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| 06:22 | Is it solved?
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| 06:23 | (in debian..)
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| 06:23 | <vagrantc> upstream and in debian, but i think 14.10 results in a non-booting LTSP
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| 06:23 | <alkisg> highvoltage, ogra_, maybe you can ping stgraber about that ^?
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| 06:23 | <vagrantc> i haven't yet tested for sure, but i've seen a few folks mention it
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> Marcomn also mentioned it for Lubuntu 14.10
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| 06:24 | 2 days ago
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| 06:24 | I would also like to fix the DESKTOP_SESSION bit upstream
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| 06:24 | But it's broken in the Ubuntu packaging
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| 06:24 | <vagrantc> the workaround is apparently to switch to Debian :)
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> So I don't have commit access to fix it
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| 06:24 | I'd be glad to, except that I'd have to solve another 1000 problems unrelated to LTSP
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| 06:25 | E.g. that the default font doesn't contain Greek characters
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| 06:25 | (Ubuntu also had 1000 other issues, but over the years we found some workarounds, solved some of them etc)
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| 06:25 | And I'm worried about new hardware support in Debian
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| 06:26 | I.e. how will I send new kernels to the schools that have new hardware, when the stable release is e.g. 2 years old....
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| 06:26 | I think the solution here is for stgraber to stop maintaining ltsp in Ubuntu
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| 06:26 | And just let it sync with Debian
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| 06:27 | <vagrantc> the differences are mostly in the ltsp-client-builder udeb, as I recall.
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| 06:27 | and the upstream bits, but those would be syncable
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> There's ltsp-cluster, but I don't think it works anymore,
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| 06:27 | There's some Ubuntu-specific scripts like 40-ltsp-client and 40-ltsp-server, for DESKTOP_SESSION, which shouldn't be in debian/ really, but upstream,
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| 06:28 | And the theme dependencies, which I think we fixed with X-Ubuntu-Depends etc...
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| 06:28 | No those were for LDM, which is synced already
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| 06:28 | LTSP has some font dependencies
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| 06:28 | (which I don't believe are needed anyway)
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| 06:29 | stgraber: I'd be glad to do and test the packaging merge if you'll allow me
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| 06:30 | * alkisg waves for now | |
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| 06:30 | * vagrantc waves too | |
| 06:30 | <vagrantc> till next time!
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