IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <vagrantc> ok, so numlock and setxkbmap handling split out of the C code and into the init scripts. yay.
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| 00:03 | <stgraber> cool
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| 00:04 | <vagrantc> and Ryan52 will apparently probably solve in a matter of a few minutes what i couldn't accomplish in a few hours :)
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| 07:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> gooooood morning all :D
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| 07:16 | <nubae> mornin _UsUrPeR_
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:52 | <nubae> hi sbalneav
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| 08:53 | managed to import most of the logs into the logbot, though the formatting is a bit off, since ltsplogbot is an eggdrop...
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> Well, I'm going to spend some time, see if I can get the /dev/null patch I worked up last week for ldm-trunk going for ldm in hardy. I'll spend today testing it here live.
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| 09:36 | <wpgmb> sbalneav: 'member my struggle with not being able to get into the server on the dhcp side from an outside system? Got it sorted: it had nothing to do with any configs in the server: I add a temp static route in my system to the host, et voila! - solved.
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| 09:39 | <ogra> sbalneav, bug and debdiff or patch please :)
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| 09:39 | i'll care for the paperwork ... though dont expect it to enter hardy before intrepid final, everyone is in pre release stress atm
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| 09:40 | <wpgmb> ogra: haven't I seen your handle in the CentOs corner?
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| 09:40 | <johnny> huh?
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> ogra: Will do.
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| 09:40 | Did that other patch I submitted for the password expiry get submitted?
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| 09:40 | <ogra> wpgmb, unlikely :)
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| 09:40 | <johnny> wpgmb, what does ogra have to do with centos?
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| 09:41 | <ogra> wpgmb, i'm the buntu guy
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| 09:41 | <wpgmb> ogra: sorry - case of mistaken identity :o)
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| 09:41 | <johnny> ogra, g'day
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| 09:41 | and mr scotty too
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| 09:42 | <ogra> wpgmb, i wrote a lot of ltsp5 so my name might be scattered all over the code
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| 09:42 | <wpgmb> ogra: I'm your typical pita end-user: hardly look at the scripts :o)
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| 09:43 | (muses: If I want a beer right now, does that make me an alcoholic?)
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| 09:44 | <nubae> anything after noon is ok... :p
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| 09:45 | <ogra> yeah, totally timezone depending :)
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| 09:45 | its always noon *somewhere* ;)
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| 09:46 | <wpgmb> ogra: you in scotty's town too?
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| 09:48 | * ogra is in germany | |
| 09:48 | <ogra> unless scottie secretly moved i'm not, no :)
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| 09:49 | * sbalneav secretly moves his chair | |
| 09:51 | * sbalneav secretly moves his coffee cup | |
| 09:52 | <ogra> hehe
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| 09:56 | <nubae> so sugar on thin client uses 55mb
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| 09:58 | <ogra> on the client ?
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| 10:01 | <nubae> yup
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| 10:01 | calculated doing echo 3 >/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches and then free
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| 10:02 | with browse and a couple other activities running, might be useful on 64mb setups... gonna check that now
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| 10:24 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 10:28 | <cliebow> mornig..homies
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| 10:28 | <ogra> yo jammcq
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| 10:43 | <jammcq> so.... what's shakin?
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| 10:44 | <ogra> everything thats not stapled properly ?
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| 10:46 | <cliebow> heehee
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| 10:46 | * ogra made some progress on the new ldm UI though ... | |
| 10:47 | <jammcq> cliebow: can you signup on the wiki for BTS ?
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| 10:47 | <ogra> ... and has to go shoping now ... later
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| 10:47 | <cliebow> i cant alter the webpage..cant get my pw reset
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| 10:49 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: learn bts as LTSP By The Sea 2008: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2008
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| 10:49 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 10:55 | <cliebow> jammcq..i cant alter the webpage..cant get my pw reset
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| 10:57 | <jammcq> cliebow: so let's reset your password
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| 10:57 | all I gotta do is remember how
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> should be able to htpasswd a .htpasswd file in the twiki root, IIRC
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| 11:02 | <jammcq> yeah, but there's a way for chuck to generate a new password and send it to me, then I can insert it into the .htpasswd file
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| 11:31 | <cliebow> cliebow:V43ShldiUqEyM
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| 11:32 | <Nubae> cliebow: hope thats not an important password :p
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| 11:32 | <cliebow> nope..i do those in plaintext
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| 11:32 | ;-]
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| 11:39 | <sbalneav> That was a password? I thought it was just cliebow's regular typing :)
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| 11:45 | <jammcq> cliebow: ok, I added the password
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| 11:46 | <jammcq> make sure you are using 'CharlesLiebow' as your username
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| 11:47 | <cliebow> sbalneav:heehee!
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| 11:51 | jammcq:done
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| 11:53 | <Nubae> is NBD_SWAP on by default?
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| 11:53 | <johnny> no
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| 11:53 | at least not on ubuntu
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| 12:02 | <Lns> Nubae: nope...and i'd suggest reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/EnableNBDSWAP to fully enable it
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| 12:02 | (for ubuntu)
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| 12:17 | <Nubae> u know what's really needed... a moodle content repo...
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| 12:18 | there was a summer of google code project that links moodle to drupal... and edubuntu.org uses drupal, so it might be a good way of adding course content
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| 12:39 | <v-pro> any idea why it takes so long time for gnome logout prompt to appear for the first time?
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| 12:39 | <johnny> Nubae, i think moodle should be built on drupal altogether
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| 12:39 | linking .. not so much
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| 12:44 | <sbalneav> Nubae: You been following our newest Apostle Adrian Mowray in edubuntu-devel? :)
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| 12:48 | <Nubae> sbalneav: heh, yeah... we can get him to do it
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| 12:48 | moodle.org has a moodle exchange program, where people share their content... there's some good stuff there
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| 12:48 | IT, Maths, Biology, etc... but just really badly organised
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| 12:52 | <johnny> is it licensed in a proper way?
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| 12:53 | <Nubae> well what do u mean by the proper way
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| 12:53 | creative commons?
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| 12:53 | <johnny> sure.. creative commons or whatever else
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| 12:54 | something accepted by alot of people
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| 12:54 | <Nubae> looks like sharealike and creative commons
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| 12:55 | http://moodle.org/mod/glossary/view.php?id=918&mode=cat&hook=&sortkey=&sortorder=asc&fullsearch=0&page=-1
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| 12:56 | <johnny> view.php?
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| 12:56 | * johnny LOL | |
| 12:56 | <johnny> moodle really should merge with a proper framework of some sort
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| 12:57 | <Nubae> they started moodle way before frameworks existed
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| 12:57 | <sbalneav> Adrian's turning into a NIH type, so he's registering his own domain (so he tells me in a private email) and is going to "attract people to submit content". I'll send him the moodle link, and suggest he just start by organizing that.
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| 12:57 | <johnny> lol
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| 12:57 | this is the last place where we need that kinda type
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| 12:57 | code is one thing..
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| 12:58 | <Nubae> NIH?
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| 12:58 | <sbalneav> "Not Invented Here"
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| 12:58 | <Nubae> so he wants create yet another place to get content?
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| 12:59 | <Nubae> without putting content in it?
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| 12:59 | <sbalneav> In other words, rather than be simply a contributor to an existing project, he wants to start over doing his own thing. Right,
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| 12:59 | you hit the nail on the head.
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| 12:59 | <johnny> sounds like a big FAIL
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| 12:59 | <Nubae> indeed
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| 12:59 | <jammcq> most people don't realize how hard it is to actually keep a project going
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| 12:59 | everybody can start one
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| 13:00 | but after the first couple of days, 90% are abandoned
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| 13:00 | <Nubae> its easier if there is a community I suppose
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| 13:00 | <sbalneav> His first emails revolved around him giving us His Grand Vision (r)(tm)(c), and having "us" (whoever that was) doing all the implementing.
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| 13:00 | <jammcq> well, how many projects get to start with an existing community?
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| 13:00 | <Nubae> non :-)
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| 13:01 | <sbalneav> I'll see if I can steer him towards making modest contributions to an existing project.
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| 13:01 | <Nubae> well tell him to start collecting content resources...
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| 13:01 | just put links into a wiki or something
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| 13:04 | <johnny> ok.. happy days.. cleaned up a bunch of crap :)
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| 13:05 | <sbalneav> There, pointed him at the moodle stuff. We'll see where it takes us.
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| 13:06 | <Nubae> hey whats a good html/php/css editor?
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| 13:07 | <sbalneav> vim :)
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| 13:07 | Or emacs, if you swing that way :)
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| 13:07 | <ogra> ed
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| 13:07 | <sbalneav> cat >
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| 13:07 | <Nubae> yeah lovely.... :-)
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| 13:07 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 13:08 | <johnny> Nubae, it depends..
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| 13:08 | what are you expecting?
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> Ask a question, get an answer :)
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| 13:08 | <johnny> just syntax highlighting ? or more IDEish?
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| 13:08 | <Nubae> well mostly text editing but need to see some layout possibilites
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| 13:08 | <ogra> bluefish probably
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> I've heard good things about BlueFish, I think it's called
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| 13:08 | <johnny> bluefish if it's still around
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| 13:08 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:08 | <Nubae> hehe
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| 13:08 | <johnny> if you want something more intense.. the php stuff built in eclipse
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> one fish, two fish, red fish, .......
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> bluefish - advanced Gtk+ HTML editor
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| 13:09 | <ogra> ask a question get three answers :)
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| 13:09 | <johnny> eclipse is too harsh on my laptop
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| 13:09 | i only have 1GB ram
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| 13:09 | <ogra> thats the fault of your laptop ibm would say
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> Something oldfish, something newfish, something borrowedfish....
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| 13:09 | <Lns> blowfish?
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| 13:09 | <ogra> sbalneav, stop being so fishy today :)
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| 13:10 | <johnny> gefiltefish ?
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| 13:10 | <jammcq> go fish
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> Glub glub
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| 13:10 | <johnny> or however..
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| 13:10 | * Nubae is so happy with his HP Compaq 6320 | |
| 13:10 | <jammcq> tune a fish
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> mmm... gefilte fish
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gefilte_fish
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| 13:22 | <jammcq> hmm, that top plate looks like a bunch of rocks
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| 13:23 | <johnny> mmm fish rocks
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| 13:23 | lol
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| 13:32 | <Lns> Check these little things out.. http://www.chippc.com/thin-clients/jack-pc/
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| 13:32 | <Lns> PoE supported, in-wall thin clients...kinda neat, although they say nothing re: pxe/linux support
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| 13:37 | <dmaran> Quick Question does anyone here have HP D4160 running on a client in here?
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| 13:37 | Ugh too many here's
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| 13:37 | It's been a long day....
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| 13:39 | <Lns> dmaran: printer? what's the issue?
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| 13:40 | <dmaran> Lns: we are getting this out of the blue "recoverable: Network host 'ws0-005' is busy; will retry in 10 seconds..." It was working fine earlier last week...
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| 13:41 | <Lns> hmm..i know cups was recently updated...
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| 13:41 | <dmaran> That is what I was afraid of
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| 13:41 | * Lns is just guessing | |
| 13:41 | * dmaran is in agreement | |
| 13:42 | <dmaran> lns: Are you using one of the printers in question?
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| 13:42 | <Lns> dmaran: no, but i've dealt with printers in ltsp before =p
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| 13:43 | dmaran: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg34867.html
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| 13:44 | <Nubae> be good to have a wiki entry showing sources of thin client hardware
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| 13:45 | <Lns> Nubae: there's one on the ubuntu wiki
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| 13:46 | <Nubae> with lots of entries, or just disklessworkstations?
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| 13:46 | <dmaran> lns: We have that "fix" already and it is only this one printer....
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| 13:46 | lns: That is borked.
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| 13:46 | <Lns> Nubae: there's a few on there that i put, not just DW
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| 13:47 | dmaran: weird...i'm not sure then. did you reboot the tc?
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| 13:47 | <dmaran> lns: yeah a few times.
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| 13:48 | lns: I am goinig to try another HP that we have
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| 13:48 | <Lns> dmaran: yeah...i dunno, how about reconfiguring it on the server-side?
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| 13:49 | <Lns> Just last week I had to do that to fix an issue with some HP 4050N printers complaining "EIO Bad Transfer, hit GO to continue" errors...turned out switching to generic CUPS driver (instead of recommended HP driver) fixed it
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| 13:50 | <dmaran> lns: Same issue on another HP we have on a different terminal
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| 13:51 | hmm..
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| 13:51 | <Lns> yeah..it was bugging the crap outta the techs on-site..i was gonna upgrade the firmware but tried that first...bingo
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| 14:02 | <dmaran> hmm looks like we updated the chroot on Thursday of last week and "[UPGRADE] libcupsys2 1.3.7-1ubuntu3 -> 1.3.7-1ubuntu3.1" hmmm....
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| 14:03 | <PerfDave> Hi, I'm using LTSP 5 on Debian Lenny, with the official packages; I'm having trouble getting automatic logins to work. I've set up accounts on the server, and put stanzas with LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf but I'm still getting the standard greeter when ldm boots up.
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| 14:03 | <johnny> and LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y ?
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| 14:03 | <PerfDave> Ah, that wasn't mentioned in the edubuntu handbook I was reading ;)
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| 14:04 | * Lns thinks an wiki article for autologin is needed | |
| 14:04 | <PerfDave> Hmm, still not working - can I read ldm's logs somewhere?
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| 14:04 | <johnny> yes.. on the client
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| 14:04 | /var/log/ldm.log
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| 14:07 | <PerfDave> That just tells me "Spawning Xorg", "Launching greeter", "In get_userid"
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| 14:07 | The MAC address in /etc/lts.conf definitely matches, and I can ssh as the specified user with the specified password into the server.
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| 14:11 | <PerfDave> Do I need to do anything to make changes to /etc/lts.conf "stick" on the client, or is restarting the X server with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace sufficient?
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| 14:12 | <Lns> PerfDave: I'd reboot them so it can read lts.conf again..might be wrong, but that's what i'd do just to make sure
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| 14:12 | PerfDave: what distro you using?
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| 14:13 | <PerfDave> Lns: Debian Lenny
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| 14:13 | The changelog suggests that it does have autologin stuff enabled
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| 14:14 | <johnny> restart the clients yes
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| 14:14 | you must
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| 14:14 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "Xorg.7.log" (691 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/59
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> Hi guys, I'm trying to change the refresh rate of the clients, but when I change anything X-related to lts.conf, my clients hang at boot.
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> PerfDave: reboot to get new lts.conf settings.
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> They work OK with nothing in lts.conf. I tried to get the xorg.conf from the clients, but there wasn't any!!!
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| 14:16 | <PerfDave> OK, that's annoying but understandable.
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> So all I got is the above Xorg.7.log file, I can't get anything else...
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| 14:16 | <PerfDave> Hmm, it seems to work with LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true rather than LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y :/
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> that's weird.
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| 14:17 | all cases of true, y, yes should be treated the same.
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| 14:17 | <johnny> Patina, i think that was because you didn't reboot?
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| 14:19 | <PerfDave> vagrantc: and Y?
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| 14:20 | johnny: I'm pretty sure I did reboot, but anyway, it's working now :)
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| 14:21 | <johnny> yes.. Y
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| 14:21 | Y works for me on ubuntu
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> PerfDave: "all cases"
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| 14:22 | PerfDave: as in upper or lower case
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| 14:23 | PerfDave: so true, TrUE, yEs, Y and y should all be equivalent.
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| 14:24 | <Lns> regex ftw!
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| 14:25 | yikes...what's wrong w/LP today
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| 14:28 | <dmaran> Lns: when is the last time you updated your chroot? BTW - are you using Ubuntu HH TLSP5?
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| 14:28 | <johnny> HH?
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| 14:28 | oh
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| 14:28 | that's old
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| 14:29 | oh wait
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| 14:29 | lol
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| 14:29 | <dmaran> ha!
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| 14:30 | <Lns> dmaran: I've updated my chroot very recently...do need to do it again cuz of the kernel upgrade recently though
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| 14:30 | erp
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| 14:35 | <Lns> ogra: can i subscribe you to the 2 bugs re: nbd_swap bashisms in ltsp-client-setup, and /etc/hosts.allow missing stanza for keepalive of nbdswap?
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| 15:28 | <PerfDave> OK, thanks for all the help earlier - I've got two clients up with guest logins enabled, which is good enough for now. There's more I want to do but it can wait ;)
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Is there anyway to install the (ubuntu intrepid) chroot image to a client hard disk, to be easier for troubleshooting?
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| 16:56 | <johnny> since ubuntu gets the tftp in the initramfs, can't you choose a different nfsroot,nbd image on the server?
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| 16:56 | i mean.. shouldn't it be possible?
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| 16:57 | per client that is
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> johnny: i guess it would be possible, if you re-coded things.
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| 16:59 | <johnny> i wonder if anybody would want that
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> would definitely be useful to have both thin-clients and diskless workstations on the same server.
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| 17:17 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> hello, what version of ubuntu is he most appropiated to install ltsp5?
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| 17:24 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> hello, what version of ubuntu is he most appropiated to install ltsp5?
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| 17:25 | <johnny> gonzaloaf_laptop, hardy is good
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| 17:25 | brb
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| 17:25 | and why did you repeat yourself
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| 17:25 | brb
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| 19:49 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 19:59 | Hmmmm
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| 20:00 | Looks good so far.....
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| 20:05 | Well, I've just made a few mods to the hardy LDM, I seem to have cured most, if not all, of the "dead processes
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| 20:05 | problem.
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| 20:38 | <stgraber> evening sbalneav
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| 20:39 | * stgraber is happy. He now has a really good demonstration server for ltsp-cluster. | |
| 20:40 | <stgraber> We even have a "Local apps" menu so we can trigger remote shutdown/reboot, firefox (with flash), audacity (with microphone working) and skype (with video and all the fancy stuff)
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| 20:43 | <sbalneav> Nice
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| 20:44 | <jammcq> howdie friends
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| 20:45 | <sbalneav> Evening jammq
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| 20:46 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 20:46 | <stgraber> hey jammcq
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| 20:46 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 20:47 | <jammcq> hey stgraber
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| 22:18 | <Ryan52> *sigh*
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| 22:18 | vagrantc: any idea why ldm thinks me server is called None?
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| 22:21 | vagrantc: failing that, how do I checkout a revision with bzr? I want to go back in time, but I don't want to lose my current commits, and I don't want to wait 10 minutes to get it from launchpad again.
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| 22:23 | <stgraber> bzr pull /home/..../ldm-trunk -r 123 ldm-trunk-r123
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| 22:23 | hmm, s/pull/get/
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| 22:23 | <Ryan52> thanks
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| 22:28 | oh, the problem is related to my local changes :(
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| 23:05 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: you got it at least partially figured out?
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| 23:10 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: I think. but in the process of making ldminfo.c shared between the two I broke it (in a seemingly unrelated way...), so I can't test the actual code part. -_-
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| 23:10 | <vagrantc> oh
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| 23:12 | well, sure beats me pounding my head on this stuff :)
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| 23:12 | <Ryan52> how do I undo a commit (or 4 :))?
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| 23:12 | <vagrantc> bzr uncommit
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| 23:12 | <Ryan52> wow. that's amazing. that actually makes sense. ;)
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| 23:12 | <vagrantc> and then i usually bzr shelve them away for safe keeping.
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| 23:13 | bzr uncommit -r X will uncommit up to revision X
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| 23:13 | apart from a few quirks, bzr generally makes a fair amount of sense.
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| 23:21 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: did you test your patch?
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| 23:21 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: which patch?
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| 23:21 | <Ryan52> the part that I am working off of :)
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| 23:22 | <vagrantc> i tested that it didn't break anything
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| 23:31 | <Ryan52> oh, the problem the entire time was in my testing proceedure, I guess.
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| 23:31 | I think.
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| 23:31 | * Ryan52 confused himself too much | |
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