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00:57 | <fossala> What would be different in setting up a server with 1 ethenet port rather than 2?
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00:58 | <alkisg> dhcpd.conf
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00:59 | <fossala> Is it hard to implement?
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00:59 | And would there be massive speed loss?
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00:59 | <alkisg> Nope, it's rather easy.
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01:00 | The speed loss would be about equal to your internet traffic, if you have a classic setup
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01:00 | E.g. 2 mbps from 1000 mbps lan speed
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01:00 | So you're left with 998 mbps. Very small speed loss.
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01:00 | <fossala> yeah.
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04:13 | <andygraybeal> morrning
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04:35 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Andy. :)
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05:09 | <andygraybeal> morning Hyperbyte
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06:08 | <TheMatrix3000> how do i disable network excryption again
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06:08 | X_something
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06:08 | DirectX?
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06:08 | what was it
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06:08 | and in what file specifically
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06:09 | <roasted> lost connectio
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06:09 | n
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06:10 | anybody running ltsp on 11.04??
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06:10 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf => LDM_DIRECTX
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06:12 | mgariepy: hi - I'm writing an xfreerdp screen script and I'd like to hear if pasuspender and padsp are still needed, now that pulseaudio can seamlessly coexist with alsa... isn't just this script enough? http://paste.ubuntu.com/633167/
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06:28 | <mgariepy> alkisg, i haven't had a chance to play with freerdp much, i have a few project on hold for now.
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06:29 | <alkisg> mgariepy: I'm mostly asking about the rdesktop screen script... in which use cases are pasuspender and padsp needed?
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06:30 | <alkisg> I think that padsp was needed some years ago, when pulseaudio had problems with localapps accessing alsa directly - now it does'nt,
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06:31 | and pasuspender... if one wants pulse off, why not just set sound=off in lts.conf?
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06:39 | <TheMatrix3000> wooooww
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06:39 | NFS really hurt the network
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06:39 | alkisg, you were right nfs kills network usage
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06:40 | <alkisg> bbiab
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06:43 | <mgariepy> alkisg, with sound=off i thin pasuspender shouldn't be needed. i need to stop pulseaudio to have better performance on single core thin client.
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06:44 | with rdesktop.
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07:08 | <mgariepy> alkisg, with sound=off i thin pasuspender shouldn't be needed. i need to stop pulseaudio to have better performance on single core thin client.
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07:08 | <alkisg> mgariepy: right, so I'm thinking that we could simplify a lot the existing rdesktop script, and even make it support xfreerdp - and delete rdesktop.sh
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07:11 | * alkisg modifies http://paste.ubuntu.com/633167/ to also work for rdesktop (with a symlink from screen.d/rdesktop to screen.d/xfreerdp...) | |
07:16 | <alkisg> mgariepy: this one should cover all existing use cases, and support xfreerdp too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/633656/
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07:16 | If you don't have any objections, I'll also ask Gadi and then commit it...
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07:17 | <mgariepy> i don't have objection, if i encounter problems i'll just ask you and submit a patch :)
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07:18 | <alkisg> Thanks :)
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07:18 | <mgariepy> you are welcome :D
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07:19 | <alkisg> Btw I removed support for $RDP_OPTIONS :) SCREEN_07="rdesktop params" sounds a lot simpler, and we won't have to support XFREERDP_OPTIONS either...
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07:20 | <Hyperbyte> Plus, it allows for per-screen options. ;-)
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07:32 | <mgariepy> alkisg, hmm i kinda like rdp option
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07:33 | <alkisg> mgariepy: I wrote some more commens about it in the script - read those and if you still want $RDP_OPTIONS, I'll put them back :
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07:33 | :)
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07:33 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/633667/
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07:34 | The only change would be in the last line:
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07:34 | exec xinit $xinitrc "$basename" $RDP_OPTIONS "$@" -- "$DISPLAY" "vt${TTY}" $X_ARGS
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07:38 | <mgariepy> yeah, with ltsp-cluster, i load the DB with some list for the screen script, and i might want to change option depending on the thin client.
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07:39 | i use a selection box for the selection
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07:40 | <alkisg> Why not merge the two UI boxes into SCREEN_XX? But ok, /me puts $RDP_OPTIONS in the xinit line...
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07:41 | (I meant, to have one combo box for SCREEN=[rdesktop], and another for OPTIONS=[ ], and to merge them with your php script into one SCREEN_XX directive)
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07:42 | Has anyone used RDP_SOUND=padsp? On which case was that needed?
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07:42 | <mgariepy> because i load lts.conf option into the DB and they get rendered differently depending on the type. i don't have exception for attributes
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07:43 | <alkisg> OK np
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07:43 | * alkisg meant RDP_SOUND=pulse-oss above... | |
07:50 | <mgariepy> alkisg, no idea, since using pulse with RDP is kinda only cpu waste.
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07:51 | <alkisg> mgariepy: do you also need RDP_SERVER? Does this look ok?
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07:51 | exec xinit $xinitrc "$basename" $RDP_OPTIONS "$@" $RDP_SERVER -- "$DISPLAY" "vt${TTY}" $X_ARGS
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07:51 | I think that will work OK with both methods, either only SCREEN_XX, or with the $RDP_* variables as well
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07:56 | <mgariepy> RDP_SERVER is also needed :D thanks
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07:57 | we might want to merge both server tho, freerdp and rdesktop
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08:02 | <alkisg> mgariepy: what do you mean? The screen.d/scripts?
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08:02 | This should cover everything we said so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/633677/
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08:05 | RDP_OPTIONS and RDP_SERVER are the same variables for both rdesktop and xfreerdp
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08:09 | <mgariepy> no i only meant for freerdp and rdesktop
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08:10 | looks good to me
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08:10 | <alkisg> I'm testing with screen.d/rdesktop as a symlink to screen.d/xfreerdp
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08:13 | <alkisg> Hmm seems like ltsp/xinitrc breaks -u ''
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08:17 | <alkisg> ...apart from ltsp/xinitrc, screen_session breaks empty parameters (e.g. -u '') and parameters with spaces too
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08:17 | * alkisg tries to fix both of them... | |
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08:53 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I'm about to commit this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/633700/
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08:53 | It removes rdesktop and rdesktop.sh, it creates xfreerdp, and a symlink to it named "rdesktop", and it fixes a small bug in xinitc
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08:53 | Does it look ok to you?
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08:55 | <vagrantc> i'm nervous about the eval $COMMAND changes
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08:56 | <alkisg> eval breaks spaces
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08:56 | <vagrantc> it seems like those always switch back and forth
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08:56 | <alkisg> So -u '' becomes just -u
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08:56 | <alkisg> Also "param with spaces" becomes 3 params
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08:57 | <vagrantc> and i don't use RDP, so i don't know what all the use-cases are for testing
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08:57 | but overall it looks good
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08:57 | <alkisg> I talked with mgariepy about the use cases, it looks good to him - I haven't seen Gadi though
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08:59 | Thanks - I'll wait for a couple of days in case Gadi shows up, and commit it then
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09:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: just go ahead and commit and mention it on ltsp-developer@ and we can always revert it or tweak it if need be
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09:01 | <alkisg> OK :)
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09:01 | <vagrantc> it's easier for others to review when it's in VCS
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09:03 | alkisg: although i'd separate out the xinitrc commits, unless they're truely interdependent
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09:04 | <alkisg> vagrantc: OK I'll commit the xinitrc change first, because the xfreerdp script relies on xinitrc not "eating" -u ''
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09:04 | <vagrantc> sure
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09:08 | <alkisg> Pushed
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09:10 | <vagrantc> then we'll have to change the dependencies to rdesktop | freerdp-x11
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09:10 | or prefer freerdp-x11
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09:10 | alkisg: the other idea would be to check for the presence of either and fall back if not found
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09:11 | and name it more generic, like rdp
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09:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I thought about it, but it seamed cleaner to use different words in SCREEN_XX
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09:11 | <vagrantc> that way the user wouldn't have to pay attention to which they wanted to use
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09:11 | <alkisg> In extreme cases, one might want a screen with rdesktop, and another with xfreerdp, for compatibility reasons
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09:12 | The command line parameters are also a little different
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09:12 | <vagrantc> fair enough
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09:12 | <alkisg> E.g. -r sound:local vs -plugin rdpsnd
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09:12 | <vagrantc> (you could still have a more generic script + ability to specify one or the other
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09:12 | )
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09:13 | <alkisg> We can make $basename look for the other variants, if the one specified by scriptname isn't found
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09:14 | This way xfreerdp could be called just "rdp". But I think it's a little more complicated than needed :-/
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09:14 | <vagrantc> right
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09:39 | <Gnoze5> alkisg by installing a localapp like firefox when i download a file by default it should use the users home on the server correct?
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09:40 | as in despite it being a local app i should see the user folders etc
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09:47 | <vagrantc> yes
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09:47 | the homedir on the server is mounted using sshfs by default
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09:47 | mounted on the thin client, that is
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09:48 | <Gnoze5> as i though
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09:48 | if i want to expose other shares
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09:48 | just use LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS
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09:48 | ?
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09:51 | <alkisg> Yup
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09:51 | Or you can use symlinks + SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=True
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09:52 | <Gnoze5> perfect
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09:52 | thank you
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10:19 | <TheMatrix3000> would you recommend installing edubuntu then removing the school apps or installing ubuntu and then installing ltsp
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10:26 | <nivardus> ubuntu alternative install disc includes ltsp server
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10:27 | press f4 before "install ubuntu" and select "LTSP Server" I know for sure it's on 10.4.1
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10:28 | <TheMatrix3000> yea, thats what I did
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10:28 | im just having issues with that server
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10:29 | like it allows clients to boot but metacity is crashing
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10:29 | is there any suggestions on how to fix that
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10:32 | <alkisg> I haven't heard about any problems related to metacity crashing, how did you find out that metacity is to blame?
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10:32 | I've heard about compiz crashing, about nomodeset needed and other X problems, but not metacity problems
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13:12 | <alkisg> Who has access to the sourceforge wiki? Only Scotty? It'd be nice if we got the ltsp logs to be automatically uploaded there...
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13:12 | *sourceforge pages, not wiki (php will be needed)
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13:40 | <alkisg> !learn ltsp-upstream as The LTSP source code is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/
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13:40 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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13:40 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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13:41 | !learn source The LTSP source code is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/
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13:41 | <alkisg> Not bad for starters... now if ole Scotty could give us the factoid database so that we don't type all those again... :-/
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13:41 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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13:41 | <Hyperbyte> !learn source as The LTSP source code is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/
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13:41 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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13:41 | <Hyperbyte> Ah
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13:41 | Cool. :)
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13:41 | And then
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13:41 | !source
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13:41 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: My source is at http://supybot.com/
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13:42 | <Hyperbyte> No
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13:42 | Or is that a default command? :)
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13:42 | !ltsp-upstream
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13:42 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: "ltsp-upstream" could be The LTSP source code is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/
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13:42 | <Hyperbyte> ? :)
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13:42 | <alkisg> Haha needs some fine-tuning
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13:42 | <Hyperbyte> Heheheh
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13:42 | <alkisg> !forget source
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13:42 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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13:42 | <alkisg> !forget source
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13:42 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: There is no such factoid.
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13:42 | <alkisg> !learn source as The LTSP source code is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/
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13:42 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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13:42 | <alkisg> !source
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13:42 | <ltsp> alkisg: My source is at http://supybot.com/
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13:42 | <Hyperbyte> But
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13:43 | <alkisg> Yeah it looks reserved
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13:43 | <Hyperbyte> !ltsp-upstream
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13:43 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: "ltsp-upstream" could be The LTSP source code is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/
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13:43 | <Hyperbyte> It says "could be"
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13:43 | ?
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13:43 | <alkisg> That's why I said about finetuning
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13:43 | Nick change: Parker955 -> Parker955_Away | |
13:43 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah. =D
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13:43 | <alkisg> Maybe it's a pessimistic bot :P
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13:43 | * Hyperbyte smacks ltsp | |
13:43 | <Hyperbyte> Hahah. It's still a bit insecure about itself. Trying to fill the big ol' ltspbot shoes.
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13:43 | <vagrantc> ltsp: learn question as if you have a question about LTSP, go ahead and ask it. be sure to mention the linux distribution and version you're using. people will respond when they can... have patience
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13:43 | <ltsp> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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13:43 | <vagrantc> !question
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13:43 | <ltsp> vagrantc: "question" could be if you have a question about LTSP, go ahead and ask it. be sure to mention the linux distribution and version you're using. people will respond when they can... have patience
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13:44 | <alkisg> !question | alkisg
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13:44 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "question" is not a valid command.
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13:44 | <vagrantc> "could be" ?
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13:44 | <alkisg> !question > alkisg
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13:44 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "question" is not a valid command.
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13:44 | <Hyperbyte> !explain question
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13:44 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: Error: "explain" is not a valid command.
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13:44 | <Hyperbyte> !help
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13:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah, i would love to be able to direct it at someone
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13:44 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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13:44 | <alkisg> Yeah it's too insecure... /me tries to give it some confidence...
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13:44 | <Hyperbyte> !help learn
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13:44 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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13:46 | <Hyperbyte> !tell
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13:46 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
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13:46 | <Hyperbyte> !tell Hyperbyte question
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13:46 | !tell Hyperbyte !question
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13:46 | * Hyperbyte leaves ltsp alone now... | |
13:47 | <alkisg> "Ubottus encyclopedia plugin. http://ubottu.com/" will help with the redirection
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13:47 | Nick change: Parker955_Away -> Parker955 | |
13:47 | <alkisg> But let's solve the self-esteem bit first
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13:47 | <Hyperbyte> Heheh
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13:49 | <alkisg> !question
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13:49 | <ltsp> alkisg: "question" : if you have a question about LTSP, go ahead and ask it. be sure to mention the linux distribution and version you're using. people will respond when they can... have patience
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13:53 | * Hyperbyte high-fives ltsp | |
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14:01 | <dgroos> alkisg: helping to socialize the bots? dgroos thinks alkisg is having summer student withdrawal...
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14:03 | <alkisg> !question | alkisg
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14:03 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "question" is not a valid command.
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14:03 | <alkisg> !question > alkisg
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14:03 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "question" is not a valid command.
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14:03 | <Hyperbyte> !help | Hyperbyte
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14:03 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: Error: There is no command "| hyperbyte".
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14:03 | <alkisg> !tell alkisg about !question
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14:03 | !tell alkisg about question
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14:04 | <Hyperbyte> !help > Hyperbyte
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14:04 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: Error: There is no command "> hyperbyte".
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14:04 | <Hyperbyte> Hehe
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14:32 | <Hyperbyte> !help
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14:32 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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14:32 | <Hyperbyte> !tell Hyperbyte blah
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14:34 | !tell nickserv set password blah
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14:34 | !tell nickserv kill ltsp blah
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14:34 | Heh
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14:35 | It's not that dumb is it? :-D
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14:35 | Heh, doesn't seem like it.
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14:36 | Ah, it puts something in front of the message too. :-)
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14:36 | <alkisg> !tell alkisg [whatis question]
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14:36 | !tell Hyperbyte [whatis question]
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14:36 | !tell vagrantc [whatis question]
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14:37 | Weird syntax, but anyway it's the default so it'll have to do
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14:37 | <Hyperbyte> !whatis question
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14:37 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: "question" : if you have a question about LTSP, go ahead and ask it. be sure to mention the linux distribution and version you're using. people will respond when they can... have patience
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14:37 | <Hyperbyte> Maybe not so weird. I guess [ ] is just syntax for executing commands?
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14:37 | !tell Hyperbyte [help]
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14:38 | Yeah. :)
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14:38 | <alkisg> Yup
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14:42 | !echo Hyperbyte: [whatis question]
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14:42 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: "question" : if you have a question about LTSP, go ahead and ask it. be sure to mention the linux distribution and version you're using. people will respond when they can... have patience
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14:42 | <alkisg> That's without PM'ing
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14:43 | <Hyperbyte> !question
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14:43 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: "question" : if you have a question about LTSP, go ahead and ask it. be sure to mention the linux distribution and version you're using. people will respond when they can... have patience
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14:43 | <Hyperbyte> No > or | ? =)
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14:43 | <vagrantc> progress!
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14:43 | <Hyperbyte> Heheheh
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14:43 | <alkisg> Nope, I think that the encyclopedia ubottu plugin supports redirection, but it's harder to set up
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14:44 | So I'm fine with the defaults that supybot has :D
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14:44 | <Hyperbyte> Ah, well it's not that important.
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14:44 | <alkisg> We just need to learn 2-3 weird syntaxes
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14:44 | <Hyperbyte> So does it do anything besides !learn and !tell? :)
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14:47 | <alkisg> It has history, logs... and lots of others that I didn't have time to read about yet :)
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14:47 | <vagrantc> ltsp: forget stuff
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14:47 | <ltsp> vagrantc: Error: There is no such factoid.
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14:47 | <vagrantc> ltsp: learn foo as bar
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14:47 | <ltsp> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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14:47 | <vagrantc> forget foo
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14:47 | !forget foo
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14:47 | <ltsp> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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14:48 | <alkisg> !more Hyperbyte
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14:48 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for Hyperbyte
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14:48 | <vagrantc> !seen alkisg
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14:48 | <ltsp> vagrantc: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 10 seconds ago: <alkisg> !more Hyperbyte
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14:48 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ping
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14:48 | !more vagrantc
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14:48 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for vagrantc
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14:48 | <alkisg> Hmm...
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14:48 | <Hyperbyte> !last alkisg
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14:48 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
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14:48 | <Hyperbyte> ehm, what?
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14:49 | !last from alkisg
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14:49 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
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14:49 | <Hyperbyte> !last --from alkisg
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14:49 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: [00:48:33] <alkisg> Hmm...
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14:49 | <Hyperbyte> Ah
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14:49 | <alkisg> Meh, anyway, enough playing, time to get some sleep. I'll put it online tomorrow, thanks to Hyperbyte
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14:49 | <Hyperbyte> !action rocks!
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14:49 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: Error: "action" is not a valid command.
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14:49 | <vagrantc> yay
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14:49 | <Hyperbyte> Oh
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14:49 | It isn't? :\
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14:49 | <vagrantc> be careful with those !
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14:49 | <Hyperbyte> Why? :P
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14:50 | <alkisg> !h is Hyperbyteeeeeeeeeee!
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14:50 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "h" is not a valid command.
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14:50 | <vagrantc> we've spammed #ltsp enough for one day :)
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14:50 | <alkisg> !v is Vagrantcccccccccc!
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14:50 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
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14:50 | <alkisg> Damn I forgot "learn"
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14:50 | OK ok enough, good night all
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14:50 | <Hyperbyte> Hehe, g'night Alkis. =)
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15:48 | <TheMatrix3000_> anyone here running ltsp on 11.04?
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16:33 | <TheMatrix3000_> is there a way i can increase the load spead of initrd
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16:34 | and vmlinuz
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16:34 | on our old ltsp server its super fast, but on the new one i built its super slow
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16:34 | can it be compressed or anything?
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16:38 | if i get rid of nbd everything sucks it seams
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16:54 | <TheMatrix3000_> btw, i hate nbd, it simply causes more issues than good on my server
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18:43 | <pmatulis> TheMatrix3000_: what NBD issues are you having?
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18:51 | <TheMatrix3000_> nevermind
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18:51 | i got it
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18:51 | the ltsp was on another vlan than the sales floor
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18:51 | it will work
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18:51 | ltsp was on 2.0 and sales comps are on 4.0
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18:52 | if i put ltsp on 4.0 the speed issues went away
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18:52 | is this most likely a router issue?
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18:53 | or is it an issue ltsp has with loading onto other networks
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18:59 | <pmatulis> TheMatrix3000_: well, ltsp depends on dhcp protocol which is very subnet/vlan dependent. you're lucky it worked at all. it sounds like inefficient routing issue
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19:00 | <TheMatrix3000_> well, i don't have dhcp running on the ltsp server
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19:00 | i have it running on the firewall/router
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19:00 | which pushes the tftp config
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19:00 | im looking at the routing issue right now
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19:01 | <TheMatrix3000_> could possible be that pfsense doesn't like it
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19:26 | <TheMatrix3000_> solved it
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19:26 | im an idiot
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19:26 | i forgot about the traffic shaper
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20:52 | <alkisg> !question
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20:52 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "question" is not a valid command.
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20:52 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: you need to install the pysqlite package
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21:23 | <alkisg> !question
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21:23 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "question" is not a valid command.
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21:48 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: I think it's `yum install python-sqlite`, to verify if you managed to do it, run `python`, and inside it `import sqlite`.
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21:48 | sqlite3 won't do
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