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| 00:07 | <Leolo_2> and look at that, so does nbd swap !
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| 01:04 | <Leolo_2> and shite, CentOS 6's stat doesn't have -c %m
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| 01:04 | so that fails also
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> !kvm
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| 10:14 | <ltsp`> kvm: Virtual thin client: kvm -vga-vmware -ctrl-grab -no-shutdown -net nic,model=virtio -net user,tftp=/var/lib/tftpboot,bootfile=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 12:36 | <rac_> i have installation ltsp-pnp,
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| 12:36 | i have problem printer client not respone
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| 12:36 | can help me ?
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| 13:21 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 13:26 | <||cw> rac_: more details? printer on client, or on server, or on network? does client boot thin or fat?
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| 13:29 | <rac_> printer on the client ltsp-PNP
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> What protocol are you trying to connect with? Cups?
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| 13:34 | <rac_> AppSocket/HP JetDirect
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| 13:35 | <raphr> good day ! i am on ltsp-server backports debian. with build-client I have to tftp directories. /srv/tftp and /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 13:35 | <rac_> AppSocket/HP JetDirect
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| 13:36 | sorry I just use ltsp-pnp, a lot of which I do not know something. please help
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> rac_: So how did you set up the printer?
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| 13:39 | <rac_> I've lts.conf configuration on /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 13:39 | [6c:f0:49:94:be:c2] HOSTNAME=Subcont PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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| 13:41 | <sbalneav> On the thin client, is the "jetpipe" program running? Is there, in fact, a /dev/usblp0 device?
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| 13:41 | <raphr> it seems update-image write in /var/lib/tftpboot but tftp server uses /srv/tftp
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| 13:42 | <rac_> yes, running,,,
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| 13:42 | i have test, telnet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 9100
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| 13:43 | i try telnet and runing
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| 13:43 | you can remote my computer server ?
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| 13:43 | please help me,
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| 13:43 | <sbalneav> I am helping you.
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| 13:44 | <raphr> /dev/usblp0 is not jetdirect
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| 13:44 | <rac_> ok , how to do ?
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| 13:45 | <sbalneav> raphr: You may want to set up a /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf file.
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| 13:45 | Whoops
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| 13:45 | I mean /etc/ltsp/ltsp-server.conf
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| 13:45 | put:
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| 13:45 | BASE="/srv/ltsp"
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| 13:45 | TFTP_DIRS="/srv/tftp"
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| 13:45 | in it.
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| 13:46 | rac_: So when you telnet to the host at 9100, you get a connection?
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| 13:47 | What kind of printer is it? Is it a postscript capable printer?
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| 13:49 | <rac_> yes, i have connection,
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| 13:49 | Epson L300
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| 13:50 | <raphr> thank you
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| 13:50 | <rac_> raphr: so i must use port ? /dev/usblp0 ?
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| 13:50 | please help me ?
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| 13:51 | <raphr> rac_: you have to add a network printer un CUPS
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> rac_: If you ask me to help you one more time, when I already AM helping you, I'll stop and won't waste my time further. Clear?
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| 13:52 | rac_: So, you have the printer there, but have you created a print queue anywhere in cups that points to that printer?
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| 13:52 | <raphr> easyest is via printer preferences in your desktop denvioronement. Or use http://localhost:631
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| 13:52 | <rac_> <raphr> yes i have add printer,
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| 13:53 | on http://localhost:631
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| 13:53 | <sbalneav> How did you add it? Can you paste the results of "lpstat -t"?
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| 13:53 | <raphr> what is the state of the printer vi cups ?
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| 13:57 | <rac_> scheduler is running no system default destination device for Canon-iP2700-seriesCMD:PDF,PS,JPEG,PNG,PWG,URF: dnssd://Canon%20iP2700%20series%20%40%20PPICBadrudin._ipp._tcp.local/cups?uuid=11a0843d-57eb-32be-7483-803593679359 device for Delivery2-LQ310: ipp://192.168.60.61:631/printers/Delivery2-LQ310 device for ismiL300: smb://WORKGROUP/192.168.60.185/epsonismi device for LX-300Subcont2: ipp://192.168.60.61:631/printers/LX-300Subcont2 d
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| 13:58 | <raphr>printer finish but not respone ,
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| 13:58 | can you remote my computer,
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> That's probably not the cups connection you'll want.
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| 13:59 | For a jet direct, you'll need to set the connection to:
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| 14:00 | <raphr> remote is not possible here
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> socket://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:9100
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| 14:01 | So for instance, you'll want to set "lpadmin -p ismiL300 -v socket://192.168.60.185:9100
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| 14:01 | Assuming 192.168.60.185 is the IP address of the terminal the Epson L300 is connected to.
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| 14:02 | <rac_> socket://192.168.54.101:9100
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| 14:04 | " Status " Idle - "Waiting for printer to finish."
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| 14:04 | but printer not respone
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| 14:04 | <raphr> it is also pluged via USB ?
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| 14:05 | <rac_> yes i use usb,
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| 14:05 | <raphr> and network too ?
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| 14:08 | is there a way to have ltsp-NFS by default when ltsp-update-kernels xenial chroot ?
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| 14:09 | I love mix clients on same server ^^
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> Not sure. I use debian myself, and NFS is the default there.
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| 14:11 | <raphr> in fact i386 chroot is debian and NFS by default and i386-ubuntu chroot is xenial and NBD by default which make cry build-client at the end but all seems there
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| 14:11 | when i change default from NBD to NFS after update_kernel
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| 14:16 | and saddly xenial thin client in NFS is readonly filesystem while Debian is writeable but not permanent
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> raphr: ltsp-update-kernels updates any of the known tftp dirs it finds, so you can just delete one of those 2 and it won't use it anymore
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| 14:17 | <raphr> alkisg: thank you. I'll do this
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> raphr: NFS doesn't work with xenial and overlay anymore... it'll only work if you force aufs
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| 14:17 | That's why nfs isn't the default for debian either, anymore
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| 14:19 | <raphr> You mean there no more NFS in Ltsp sid ?
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> NFS is there, but the kernel doesn't have aufs anymore, it has "overlayfs", and overlayfs is broken with NFS
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| 14:20 | Some patches exist, but they either don't work or haven't made it upstream
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| 14:20 | I.e. we didn't remove any code in ltsp to break nfs; it broke because of the new overlayfs file system that went mainline to the kernel,
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> I'm using jessie, so I've still got aufs, for the moment.
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> and we just had to update the ltsp code to default to nbd for debian since nfs was broken
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| 14:21 | <raphr> ok, I understood
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| 14:21 | shame. aufs was nice on Debian
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> True, it shouldn't have been removed until overlayfs was working properly first
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| 14:22 | The good thing about overlayfs is that it's distro agnostic now
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| 14:24 | <raphr> it may work in the futur then
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| 14:24 | <rac_> <alkisg> can help me ?
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| 14:24 | i have problem on printer client ltsp-pnp
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> rac_: I can't use remote support now, I'm remotely connected to irc
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| 14:24 | You should start with checking the things sbalneav told you...
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| 14:25 | I.e. if the device /dev/usb* is there etc
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| 14:26 | <rac_> i tried /dev/lp0, or /dev/usblp0
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| 14:26 | but printer not respone
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| 14:26 | Epson L300
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> !screen_02
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| 14:26 | <ltsp`> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> !epoptes
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| 14:26 | <ltsp`> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> Use some of this methods to get a terminal on the client
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| 14:26 | And run "ls /dev/usb*"
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| 14:26 | Don't try to guess
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| 14:27 | <rac_> root@ltsp-P41-ES3G:~# ls /dev/usb ls: cannot access '/dev/usb': No such file or directory
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| 14:28 | <raphr> Also, ltsp-build-client with xenial seems to install a mate desktop, even if not --fat-client used
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> raphr: do you have it defined in ltsp-build-client.conf?
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| 14:28 | <raphr> nope
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| 14:29 | <sbalneav> rac_: You forgot the *
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| 14:29 | ls /dev/usb*
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| 14:29 | <raphr> alkisg: I've just added nfs-common
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| 14:30 | <rac_> root@ltsp-P41-ES3G:~# ls /dev/usb* ls: cannot access '/dev/usb*': No such file or directory
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> raphr: put the command line that you used and the .conf file that you used, in pastebin
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| 14:30 | <raphr> ok...
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> rac_: do you see the printer if you run lsusb?
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| 14:31 | <rac_> root@ltsp-P41-ES3G:~# lsusb Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> I don't see it
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| 14:32 | Is the printer powered on?
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| 14:32 | <rac_> I do not see
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| 14:32 | yes power on
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> Run: udevadm monitor
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| 14:32 | remove the printer
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| 14:32 | and put it back
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| 14:33 | Do you see messages in udevadm monitor?
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| 14:33 | <rac_> monitor will print the received events for: UDEV - the event which udev sends out after rule processing KERNEL - the kernel uevent
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> Do you see the device it uses? Like /dev/usblp0 etc?
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| 14:33 | Or /dev/usb/lp0, things like that
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| 14:35 | <rac_> PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> That's lts.conf, not udevadm
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| 14:35 | We're checking udevadm now
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| 14:36 | <rac_> nano /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> rac_: stop it
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| 14:36 | This won't make progress
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| 14:36 | You first need to see the printer with lsusb
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| 14:36 | This is not related to ltsp
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| 14:36 | So don't edit lts.conf, don't write about lts.conf directives etc
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| 14:37 | Did you see messages with udevadm?
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| 14:37 | Did you see which device node it created?
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| 14:37 | <rac_> i am sorry i dont understand,,
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| 14:38 | please step by step
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> On the client, you run: udevadm monitor
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| 14:38 | Then it says that it will print kernel events etc
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| 14:38 | <rac_> I am confused
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> And it stays there
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| 14:38 | Then you unplug the printer
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| 14:38 | You pull the usb cable out of the client
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| 14:39 | And then you reconnect the usb cable of the printer to the client
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| 14:39 | At that point udevadm will print MORE messages
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| 14:39 | That's what you should look for, those more messages
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| 14:39 | They will tell you if it can see the printer, and where
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| 14:40 | Messages like this one: KERNEL[10091.486829] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-2/2-2:1.1/usbmisc/lp0 (usbmisc)
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| 14:40 | Did you see messages like that?
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| 14:40 | <rac_> i dont see,
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| 14:41 | <raphr> Are you messing USB and Network cable ?
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| 14:41 | <rac_> i want check cable, please wait me
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| 14:43 | <sbalneav> I suspect he's not runnin this on the thin client, but on the server.
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| 14:44 | <raphr> It is also possible. But sometimes he speaks about jetdirect
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| 14:45 | I'll be bak with IRc from mt server.
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| 14:45 | my
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| 14:48 | <rac_> <alkisg> i see the messages
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| 14:51 | <sbalneav> rac_: Please paste them for us.
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| 14:51 | !paste
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| 14:51 | <ltsp`> paste: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 14:54 | <rac_> <alkisg>
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> rac_: please do what sbalneav asked, put the messages to pastebin
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| 14:55 | Also check if you now see the printer in lsusb
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| 15:01 | <rac_> Messages "Seiko epson corp "
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| 15:01 | <sbalneav> rac_: We need to see the full messages.
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| 15:03 | <rac_> tasika@PPICBadrudin:~$ lsusb Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04b8:0038 Seiko Epson Corp. Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Founda
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> rac_: why it wasn't there before and it is now?
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| 15:05 | Also, run the "ls /dev/usb*" command now as well
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| 15:12 | <rac_> so
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> ?
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| 15:18 | * alkisg notes a different client hostname there now... probably not ltsp | |
| 15:19 | <sbalneav> bbiab
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| 15:23 | <raphr> I'm back. I must leave in 15 minutes
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| 15:26 | <rac_> <alkisg> i have 2 printer device,
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| 15:27 | <rac_> Epson LX-300 = OK
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| 15:27 | but Epson L300 not detect
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| 15:27 | <raphr> so... my command was : ltsp-build-client --chroot i386-vmview --arch i386 --dist xenial --purge-chroot --debug
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| 15:28 | <rac_> do i have to add printer manually
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| 15:28 | <raphr> and result http://pastebin.com/MdDgAiBx
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| 15:28 | ltsp-build-client.conf i meant
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> raphr: well, you do have FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS there
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| 15:29 | rac_: when you put LX-300 to an ltsp client, you see it in lsusb, but when you put L300, you don't see it?
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| 15:29 | <raphr> OK, I thought it was take in consideration onl with --fat-client
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| 15:30 | <rac_> rachmat@PPICBadrudin:~$ lsusb Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04b8:0046 Seiko Epson Corp. Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Found
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| 15:30 | i am see,,
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| 15:31 | when put LX-300 the printer directly visible without install printer
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> raphr: --fat-client-desktop run most or all applications locally ==> that's the same as FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS, either one of them activates it
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| 15:32 | <rac_> but i put Epson L300 the printer not visible
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> rac_: I don't understand. Is your answer "yes" or "no" to my previous question?
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| 15:32 | <raphr> OK I misunderstood. and whatdifference between fat-client and fat-client-desktop ?
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> The first means "autodetect my server desktop and use that one"
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| 15:33 | <raphr> humm. OK that's why I had MAte in one of my tests.
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 15:34 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 15:34 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 15:34 | <raphr> and what about --mint-dist ?
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> ...we're mostly using that one nowadays
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| 15:34 | <rac_> yes autodetect
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> Linux mint is a broken distro, and needed special workarounds, and some ltsp user sent patches for that one
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| 15:35 | If it was a normal desktop environment like mate etc, it wouldn't need patches
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| 15:35 | rac_: do you see the epson L300 in /dev/usb* ?
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| 15:35 | <rac_> Epson L300 not autodetect
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| 15:35 | <raphr> lol. Mint is quite nice out of the box
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> raphr: it might be an awesome software, but its packaging is really broken
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| 15:35 | It ships files that are modified by hand
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| 15:36 | And get overwritten on updates etc
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| 15:36 | <raphr> ha quick and dirty fix fixes i see :(
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> Yup, it should be a flavor, not a distro
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| 15:36 | <rac_> yes, see
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> rac_: what is the output lf ls /dev/usb*, when you connect epson l300?
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| 15:37 | <raphr> OK HAve to go. Hope Epxon wil write something out. goord luck. And thank you for support
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> bb
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| 15:38 | <rac_> rachmat@PPICBadrudin:~$ lsusb Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04b8:0046 Seiko Epson Corp. Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Found
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> rac_, that's the wrong command
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| 15:38 | I said: ls /dev/usb*
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> Anyway, this takes too long, I'll have to pass too. :)
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| 15:38 | <rac_> lp0
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> Hope you manage to make it work!
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| 15:39 | rac_: ls -l /dev/usb8
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| 15:39 | *
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| 15:39 | Is that /dev/usb/lp0?
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| 15:39 | Then you have this line wrong:
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| 15:39 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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| 15:39 | It should be /dev/usb/lp0 there as well
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| 15:39 | Anyway, I'm leaving, hope you manage to make it work
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> back
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| 17:09 | <Hyperbyte> https://www.facebook.com/middelkoopjan/videos/10153613562767532/
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| 17:12 | <Leolo_2> good MORNING
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| 17:13 | <Hyperbyte> euh...
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| 17:13 | I have no idea why I just pasted that.
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| 17:13 | Luckily it's not something too embarrassing.
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| 17:15 | <tsylvermane> is why i gave up facebook. to easy to post embarrasing stuff
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> Meh viewing this on a raspberry pi over VNC is no fun at all, I'll have to wait to go to a real computer :D
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| 17:16 | What good is watching video of friends if you can't make fun of them :D
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| 17:17 | <Hyperbyte> tsylvermane, I am fine with the Facebook post - I didn't mean to -paste- it here.
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| 17:21 | <gehidore> I gave up facebook because facebook
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| 20:51 | <carlos_cerna> Como mejoro los clientes ligeros, ya que al abrir youtube se quedan colgados las aplicaciones
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| 21:26 | <rac__> how to accelerate the client ltsp, because LTSP client sometimes not responding,
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| 21:26 | can help me ?
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| 21:28 | <maldridge> rac__: what is the load on your ltsp server?
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| 21:30 | <rac__> just installed google chrome, adobe reader, but why ltsp client sometimes not respone
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| 21:31 | <talntid2> alkisg, i have some windows desktops in my enviro also, epoptes uses rdp if I am correct, can i publish my windows rdp stuff too?
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| 21:31 | <alkisg> talntid2: epoptes uses vnc to implement 1 of its 50 features
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| 21:31 | Not rdp, and it's not compatible with windows
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| 21:31 | <talntid2> oh, i meant vnc but said rdp
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| 21:32 | <alkisg> You could only use it if you run rdp over ltsp
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| 21:32 | <talntid2> so i can't just run vnc on the windows machine, and somehow "advertise" it to epoptes? ok
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| 21:32 | <alkisg> (that's with SCREEN_07="xfreerdp <params>"
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| 21:32 | No, you can't
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| 21:32 | <talntid2> ok, thanks
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| 21:32 | <alkisg> There are 49 other things missing :)
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| 21:33 | <rac__> <alkisg> can help me again?
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| 21:33 | how to accelerate the client ltsp, because LTSP client sometimes not responding,
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| 21:33 | <alkisg> rac__: sorry, it's time for bed here...
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| 21:33 | answer to maldridge
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| 21:33 | When people ask you things, it's polite to answer to them...
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| 21:34 | If you don't understand what they're asking, just say so, they'll rephrase
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| 21:35 | <maldridge> rac__: I'm trying to figure out if your server is overloaded, or if perhaps this is something else. With clients up and running what are the 3 numbers from the "uptime" command?
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| 21:35 | <rac__> i am sorry mr alkisg,
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| 22:19 | <Hyperbyte> rac__, and still you don't answer maldridge..............................
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| 22:19 | * maldridge is going to dinner, someone else will need to take over | |
| 22:20 | <Hyperbyte> Well, if he doesn't answer there's not much to do really. ;-)
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| 22:24 | <maldridge> fair point
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| 22:43 | <Leolo_2> how do I make the font used by ldmgtkgreet bigger
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| 22:43 | I'm poking around in greeter-gtkrc but it's doing nothing
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| 22:53 | <Leolo_2> aha, it seems gtk_rc_add_default_file needs to happen before gtk_init
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| 23:04 | <Leolo_2> grrr... that didn't work either
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