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Channel log from 13 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <sbalneav> https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
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| 00:01 | <tulga> why I get warning when I run update-sshkeys?
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| 00:01 | <sbalneav> bug in -sshkeys
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| 00:01 | squashed it in my tree yesterday
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| 00:01 | <rjune> jammcq: got a car
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| 00:01 | <sbalneav> just ignore it, it's harmless.
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| 00:01 | <tulga> ok
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| 00:01 | <rjune> I hope it runs soon
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| 00:17 | <sbalneav> tulga: Working now, or not?
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| 00:19 | <tulga> build client not finished yet
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| 00:19 | going dist-upgrade
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| 00:21 | sbalneav: thinclient is different than remote desktop. is it?
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| 00:21 | <sbalneav> What do you mean?
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| 00:22 | <tulga> is ltsp same technology remote desktop?
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| 00:23 | <sbalneav> rdesktop in windows you mean?
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| 00:23 | <tulga> yes
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| 00:23 | <sbalneav> Sort of.
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| 00:26 | <vagrantc> similar, not same.
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| 00:26 | sort of.
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| 00:28 | <tulga> what is different NX protocol?
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| 00:28 | <vagrantc> LTSP is just a collection of services ... you can use NX with LTSP
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| 00:29 | <tulga> is NX quick?
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| 00:29 | <sbalneav> Quicker over slow lines
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| 00:29 | slower over fast lines
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| 00:29 | You wouln't want to use it on a local network.
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| 00:30 | Plus, it puts a big load on the server.
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| 00:30 | <tulga> ok
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| 00:34 | sbalneav: I need create user in chroot?
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| 00:34 | <sbalneav> no
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| 00:35 | users are created on the server.
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| 00:35 | <tulga> ok
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| 00:51 | <tulga> sbalneav: /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img already in /etc/inetd.conf, no need to update.
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| 00:51 | info: LTSP client installation completed successfully
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| 00:51 | build-client finished
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| 00:51 | now restart terminal?
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| 00:51 | <sbalneav> yes
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| 00:51 | man, how fast's your server
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| 00:51 | <tulga> server is my PC
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| 00:52 | <sbalneav> mine only takes like about 4 minutes to rebuild
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| 00:52 | <tulga> CPU: 3GhZ, RAM 1GB
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| 00:52 | download takes much time
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| 00:52 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 00:52 | <tulga> my internet connection very slow
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| 00:52 | 10kb
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| 00:52 | I need to change ip. I'll be back soon :)
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| 01:00 | <tulga> sbalneav: not working :(
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| 01:01 | <sbalneav> ok, so log in as root on the console, tty1
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| 01:01 | <tulga> root also not working
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| 01:01 | login incorrect
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| 01:01 | I did chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/
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| 01:01 | then passwd
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| 01:02 | <sbalneav> did you do that before you did the update-image?
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| 01:02 | <tulga> ahh I didn't do update-image
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| 01:11 | <tulga> sbalneav: ok, I logged root
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| 01:12 | <sbalneav> Can you log in on the greeter?
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| 01:12 | <tulga> no. ssh
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| 01:12 | shell
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| 01:12 | now start ldm?
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| 01:13 | <sbalneav> I'd say so.
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| 01:13 | <vagrantc> doesn't LDM get started by default ?
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| 01:14 | <tulga> it started by default. but cannot login
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| 01:14 | <sbalneav> Yes
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| 01:14 | <tulga> what is parameter>
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| 01:14 | ldm <vt[1-N]> <: [0-N]>
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| 01:15 | <sbalneav> don't start it that way
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| 01:15 | <tulga> ok. howto find where is my problem?
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| 01:15 | I cannot login on the greeter
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| 01:15 | <sbalneav> What have you got in your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/lts.conf?
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| 01:15 | <tulga> in server?
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| 01:16 | only i386 folder in ltsp, not lts.conf there
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| 01:17 | <sbalneav> Does the greeter start up?
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| 01:17 | Do you have the graphical login screen?
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| 01:17 | <tulga> yes, I have graphical login screen
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| 01:17 | I think now I need enter username, password in server?
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| 01:17 | <sbalneav> yes
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| 01:18 | <tulga> Veryfying password. please wait...
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| 01:18 | <sbalneav> If you log on on the text console, look in /var/log/ldm/log
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| 01:18 | /var/log/ldm.log
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| 01:18 | <tulga> wow now working
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| 01:18 | <sbalneav> there you go.
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| 01:19 | <tulga> it is cool!
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| 01:21 | sbalneav: my client is ASUS A6Va laptop. but I cannot use keyboard now. when I click "u", I get 4. if I click fn + u, I get u
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| 01:22 | <sbalneav> Quite possible.
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| 01:22 | is your keyboard en_us?
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| 01:22 | <tulga> yes
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| 01:23 | other buttons working properly. but all fn buttons not working
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| 01:24 | <sbalneav> entirely possible.
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| 01:26 | OK, well, it's 1:23 am here
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| 01:26 | <tulga> can I mount removable device?
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| 01:26 | <sbalneav> should be able to.
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| 01:26 | <tulga> ok thanks
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| 01:26 | <sbalneav> If there's nothing else, I'll head to bed.
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| 01:27 | ok?
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| 01:27 | <tulga> ok c ya
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| 02:49 | <tulga> my keyboard not working properly. I didn't click fn button. but it is working like fn clicked
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| 03:22 | howto enable audio on clients?
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| 03:52 | <tulga> howto enable audio support?
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| 04:05 | someone here?
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| 04:06 | music playing in speaker. but not play headphone
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| 06:07 | <cliebow> !seen sbalneav
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| 06:07 | <ltspbot`> cliebow: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 4 hours, 40 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <sbalneav> ok?
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| 07:10 | <ruivaldo> Hi, i am using ltsp 4 and want to execute wvdial on the client, how can i make the /dev/ttyS0 of the client be loaded ?
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| 07:13 | * ogra doesnt tuch the old ltsp 4 code but thinks there are some lts.conf options you can set decribed on wiki.ltsp.org | |
| 07:14 | <ogra> generally ita a pain to get additional software into ltsp 4.x if you have the option anyhow i'd really go for ltsp5
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| 07:15 | <ruivaldo> ogra, we are trying to execute, by ssh, the wvdial on the client.
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| 07:15 | and after connected, we would use firefox there.
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| 07:17 | <ogra> so you want to modify on eclient as dialup router ?
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| 07:17 | *one client
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| 07:18 | <ruivaldo> ogra, you got :) we have an internet connection on the server, but we want three clients to connect using dial-up.
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| 07:19 | ogra, i know, a bit old technology but we are obligated :)
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| 07:22 | <ogra> well, in ltsp5 i'd just install wvdial in the client chroot, set up a little script to be run from rc.local that checks if its run on the dialup client (using the MAC address) and dials in if it is
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| 07:23 | for the three clients t use dialup i'D add a small script tat resets the route to the dialup client ...
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| 07:24 | * ogra needs to reboot ... brb | |
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| 07:49 | <nonsparker> Good morning everyone
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| 07:51 | <nonsparker> Can some one give me some help adding a window manager once i built a kiosk client
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| 07:52 | <ogra> with ltsp-build-client ?
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| 07:53 | <nonsparker> yeah
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| 07:54 | or after i have run ltsp-build-client --kiosk
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| 07:55 | <ogra> on ubuntu or on debian ?
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| 07:55 | the ubuntu variant should already have installed metacity
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| 07:55 | <nonsparker> ubuntu
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| 07:56 | yeah but it does show the close icons and i can not move windows around
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| 07:56 | <ogra> hmm
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| 07:57 | can you do a : grep apt-get /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-kiosk
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| 07:58 | i just see that metacity is missing here in my gutsy install
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| 07:58 | (it should be in the returned line)
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| 07:58 | <nonsparker> ok let me check
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| 07:58 | <ogra> if metacity is missing, check with the following command: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l metacity
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| 07:59 | if that starts with "un" run: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install metacity
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| 08:00 | <nonsparker> ok
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| 08:00 | <ogra> and tell me if it was there ... if its missing its a bug that i should fix in gutsy
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| 08:01 | <nonsparker> it said it failed to read the archive 'metacity' : no such file or directory
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| 08:01 | <ogra> which one ?
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| 08:02 | <nonsparker> the second one you gave me
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| 08:02 | <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install metacity ?
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| 08:02 | <nonsparker> no the dpkg -I metacity
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| 08:02 | <ogra> that a small -i
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| 08:02 | ;)
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| 08:02 | err
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| 08:02 | no
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| 08:02 | that an -l
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| 08:02 | like "lama"
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| 08:03 | <nonsparker> should it be an i?
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| 08:03 | <ogra> no an l
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| 08:03 | <nonsparker> yeah so it didn't find it
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| 08:03 | <ogra> like in lama or luna or ltsp
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| 08:03 | <nonsparker> ahhh ok
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| 08:04 | <ogra> its short for --list
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| 08:04 | <nonsparker> no packages found matching metacity
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| 08:04 | <ogra> ok
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| 08:04 | so install it
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| 08:04 | <nonsparker> ok
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| 08:04 | <ogra> (with the last command)
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| 08:04 | <nonsparker> so that is a bug?
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| 08:04 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:05 | i'll fix in right now in the gutsy tree
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| 08:06 | <nonsparker> cool thanks a bunch for the help
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| 08:06 | <ogra> thanks for the pointer ... we'd have gone for ages with metacity missing ;)
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| 08:07 | <nonsparker> no problem I'm still a newbie and I'm happy I could contribute
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| 08:08 | <ogra> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/revision/ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070813130314-bzzqqz1oj6v5lryl?start_revid=ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070813130314-bzzqqz1oj6v5lryl
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| 08:08 | there we go ;)
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| 08:08 | <nonsparker> awsome!
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| 08:18 | <cyrenity> hi all
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| 08:18 | my users are complaining for slow thin clint boot and response
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| 08:18 | what should i check for
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| 08:25 | any idea?
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:54 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:54 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:02 | <joebaker> Good morning.
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| 09:14 | <tulga> hello sbalneav
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 09:15 | <tulga> now morning?
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| 09:16 | <ogra> tulga, yeah, we're spread around the world ;) afternoon ...
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| 09:16 | <tulga> now night in mongolia :)
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| 09:23 | <BlackDark> hi
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| 09:23 | how can I prevent xorg crashing because it;s out of memory ?
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| 09:23 | <ogra> add more memory ?
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| 09:23 | use network swapping ...
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| 09:23 | <BlackDark> do you have an howto for that ?
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| 09:24 | I'm using the 1220 terms, with 128 megs of ram
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| 09:24 | <ogra> that is sufficient
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| 09:24 | <BlackDark> is it normal that xorg crashe ?
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| 09:24 | <ogra> its not a ram issue unless you got broken ram chips
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| 09:24 | indeed it isnt
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| 09:24 | <BlackDark> last time it was with impress
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| 09:24 | <ogra> but with 128M it wont be a ram issue
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| 09:25 | <BlackDark> while displaying a diporama
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| 09:25 | ok
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| 09:25 | <ogra> how does it crash ?
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| 09:25 | just lock up and you cant move the mouse ?
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| 09:25 | or does the complete dsplay die ?
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| 09:25 | <BlackDark> yes
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| 09:25 | lockup and then session is closing, and back to the login prompt
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| 09:26 | not session closing, session killing
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| 09:26 | I got the same problem with firefox and the fasterfox plugin
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> Might want to check your .xsession-errors file
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| 09:27 | <ogra> thats likely an X driver issue
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> What version of ltsp are you using?
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| 09:27 | * ogra never heard of fasterfox | |
| 09:27 | <BlackDark> The application 'gnome-cups-icon' lost its connection to the display localhost:10.0;
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| 09:27 | most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed
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| 09:27 | the application.
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| 09:27 | 1187011592.532204 Session manager: gsm-remote-desktop.c:130: activation of OAFIID:GNOME_RemoteDesktopServer failed: System exception: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0
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| 09:28 | ltsp 5
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| 09:28 | my server runs ubuntu edgy
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| 09:28 | fasterfox is a plugin to tune firefox for better performances
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| 09:29 | <ogra> well ... it might trigger the bug by to heavy tweakage
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| 09:29 | <BlackDark> after disabling it, it was better
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| 09:29 | ogra : correct
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| 09:30 | do you think it might be related to the via driver ?
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| 09:31 | <ogra> well, the 1220 uses vesa by default
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| 09:31 | there is no proper driver for it
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| 09:31 | <BlackDark> I tried to compile the via driver
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| 09:31 | <ogra> (teh standard via driver doesnt support that card)
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| 09:31 | well, then thats likely
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| 09:31 | does it happen with the default setup with vesa ?
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| 09:32 | <BlackDark> actually I followed the howto in the ubuntu website
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| 09:32 | I havent' tried yet
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| 09:32 | <ogra> i havent tried that howto with edgy ever ...
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| 09:32 | <BlackDark> did you try it with an another version of ubuntu ?
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| 09:32 | <ogra> i know the feisty version works stable ... i have one chroot with it around
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| 09:33 | and we are trying to get a proper package of the openchrome driver into gutsy or gutsy+1
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| 09:33 | but thats not happened yet
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| 09:36 | <BlackDark> would you recommend to use the vesa driver ?
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| 09:41 | <ogra> if it doesnt crash
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| 09:48 | <BlackDark> btw do you know how to enter in the bios of the 1220 ?
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| 10:25 | <BlackDark> ogra, I found this in dmesg : [17190356.692000] Out of Memory: Kill process 3564 (ldm) score 998 and children.[17190356.692000] Out of memory: Killed process 3618 (Xorg).
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> ok, today i attempt to merge ubuntu and debian bzr branches.
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| 12:07 | this is probably some of the most radical changes yet.
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| 12:09 | <ogra> you should probably wait until end of the week
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| 12:10 | <ogra> sbalneav fixed most of the ldm issues ... i'll merge that before feature freeze (thursday)
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| 12:10 | * sbalneav frantically tries to get ldm working | |
| 12:11 | <ogra> sbalneav, working doesnt matter
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| 12:11 | just get all features in you want in gutsy ;)
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| 12:11 | thats what matters for FF
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| 12:11 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> well, i'd like to see it working :P
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| 12:12 | <ogra> two months time to fix stuff afterwards ;)
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| 12:12 | <sbalneav> Sneaky buggers :)
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> so, LDM in gutsy doesn't work right now ?
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| 12:12 | or what?
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| 12:13 | <ogra> sure it does
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> well, then i'd like to get at least that far.
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| 12:13 | <ogra> scotts branch doesnt :P
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| 12:13 | he breaks stuff all the time :P
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| 12:13 | ON PURPOSE !
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| 12:14 | * vagrantc would rather see broken commits in the right direction than no commits | |
| 12:15 | <vagrantc> well, usually.
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| 12:15 | <shogunx> hi ogra... you have a pointer to the docs for LocalDev on Fiesty?
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| 12:15 | vagrantc long time no see... how are things?
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> just got a new LTSP uploaded to debian today ... though mostly translation updates.
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| 12:15 | <ogra> shogunx, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices ?
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> haven't merged any of the crazy new stuff from ubuntu yet
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| 12:16 | <shogunx> thanx ogra... I will doublecheck against that.
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| 12:16 | <ogra> s/crazy/extremly sane/ :P
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| 12:16 | <shogunx> :)
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| 12:17 | ogra... did all that already... no joy.
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| 12:17 | <ogra> shogunx, thats a default ubuntu ?
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| 12:17 | <shogunx> tho i did adduser $USERNAME fuse instead of the gui way.
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| 12:17 | <ogra> that shouldnt matter
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| 12:17 | <shogunx> default ubuntu on x86_64
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| 12:18 | <ogra> hmm
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| 12:18 | <shogunx> SCREEN_7=startx instead of ldm in lts.conf... thats about the only difference
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| 12:18 | <ogra> aha
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| 12:18 | well, thats the significant one :)
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> startx doesn't support local devices
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| 12:19 | <ogra> drop that and you will have localdev
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> did LDM_DIRECTX make it into feisty ?
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| 12:19 | <ogra> no
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| 12:19 | Gadi didnt come up with it before release
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| 12:19 | <shogunx> damn... i made it work on the last one with startx. had to fool with the udev scripts, iirc.
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| 12:19 | <ogra> or he came up with it during beta or so ...
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| 12:19 | <shogunx> i just don't want the processor overhead from the ssh connection.
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| 12:20 | <ogra> shogunx, there is a patched ldm that supports unencrypted X (while handling passwords through ssh still)
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> yeah, you want the LDM_DIRECTX patch
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| 12:20 | <ogra> i think sbalneav uploaded a patched ldm somewhere
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| 12:21 | <sbalneav> !ldm
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| 12:21 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "ldm" is You can find the updated ldm that supports the LDM_DIRECTX parameter for bypassing ssh encryption at http://alburg.net/ldm
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| 12:22 | <ogra> aha
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| 12:22 | i was just diggin my mailbox :)
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| 12:22 | <shogunx> on this particular network it should not be a big deal... only 5 seats, but once i scale up the seatcount, the crypto makes a difference.
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| 12:22 | just drop in the above ldm in place of the old?
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| 12:23 | <ogra> yep, replace the binary and add LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 12:23 | (to your lts.conf
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| 12:23 | )
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| 12:23 | * vagrantc wants a separate source package for LDM | |
| 12:23 | <ogra> vagrantc, why is that ?
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| 12:23 | oh, right, we agreed on that back in sevilla
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| 12:23 | <shogunx> ok, will do. back in a flash.
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| 12:24 | <ogra> might be to late for me in gutsy though
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| 12:24 | <ogra> vagrantc, if we implement the standalone part in gutsy+1 we'll separate it i think
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> ogra: sure.
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| 12:25 | <Lumiere> ogra: is there any information on the deadlines for gutsy?
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| 12:25 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
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| 12:25 | <Lumiere> thanks
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> otavio: as always, thanks for the upload.
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> ogra: did you get my IM on friday regarding the configure-x.sh stuff I pushed?
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| 12:27 | <ogra> vagrantc, still no DD ?
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| 12:27 | Gadi, nope
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc> ogra: nope
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| 12:27 | ogra: there was actually a resolution passed to give limited status to maintainers ... i.e. only upload your own packages.
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| 12:27 | ogra: i'll definitely apply for that
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| 12:27 | <ogra> sounds great
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-configurex-mods-ltsp
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> but the infrastructure isn't in place yet.
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| 12:28 | <Lumiere> well I think it's possible to get schooltool-cando ready for newpackagesfreezeuniverse
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| 12:29 | <ogra> Gadi, where are the default values for the X_TOUCH_MIN/MAX ars from ?
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| 12:29 | *vars
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| 12:31 | <otavio> vagrantc: :-)
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| 12:31 | vagrantc: you're welcome
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> otavio: would you advocate me for the "debian maintainer" status thing ? or is it silly until dak supports it ?
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| 12:32 | <otavio> vagrantc: I wouldn't support since I'd like to get you as developer ;-)
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| 12:33 | <ogra> heh, clever :)
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> otavio: well, i'll keep doing that
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| 12:33 | <otavio> vagrantc: :-)
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: is the new LDM translateable yet? :)
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| 12:37 | <sbalneav> No.
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| 12:38 | Haven't got in any gettext support yet,
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| 12:38 | <shogunx> wow. that takes 45 seconds to bring up a login after X starts
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> just like old times!
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| 12:39 | <shogunx> geez
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| 12:39 | i'm gonna have to hack those udev scripts again.
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| 12:42 | perfectly working local devices tho!
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> ogra: they were from the original LTSP code - they are simply to have some values
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| 12:44 | prolly won't be the correct ones
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| 12:44 | :)
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| 12:47 | <shogunx> where does ldm store its session options?
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| 12:47 | as in session type config files>
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| 12:47 | ?
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| 12:48 | <BlackDark> to enable the network swapping, do I only need to add 2 lines in lts.conf, nbd_port and swap_server ?
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| 12:48 | with ubuntu/ltsp5
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| 12:48 | <sbalneav> shogunx: Not sure what you mean?
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| 12:49 | BlackDark: The network swapping should be on by default, I beleive
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| 12:52 | <BlackDark> when enabled, on the terminal, am I going to get some values for swap with the free command ?
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| 12:52 | <sbalneav> should
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| 12:52 | WHOOOHOOOOO
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| 12:52 | Just logged in on my terminal
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| 12:52 | failsafe X session
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| 12:53 | session selection sorta working!
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| 12:53 | <shogunx> i need to pass a different value to ldm for the binary to execute for E17
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| 12:53 | <sbalneav> E17?
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| 12:53 | <shogunx> Enlightenment
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| 12:54 | <sbalneav> You'd have to modify ldm for that.
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| 12:54 | I don't think you can change the default session in feisty's ldm.
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| 12:54 | <shogunx> gdm has a config file for each type of desktop session... ldm does not work this way?
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| 12:54 | <sbalneav> The one I'm working on has an LDM_SESSION env
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| 12:55 | nop
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| 12:55 | nope.
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| 12:55 | ldm just selects whatever sessions are available on the server.
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| 12:55 | <shogunx> not the default session... when i choose enlightenment (with session type menu), it wants to call the enlightenment binary instead of the enlightenment_start script
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| 12:56 | as a result, E17 crashes.
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| 12:56 | <sbalneav> it's essentially just doing an "ssh -l username server "session"
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| 12:56 | <shogunx> ok, where does it determine which session types are available>
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| 12:57 | <sbalneav> update-alternatives x-session-manager
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| 12:57 | update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
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| 12:58 | <shogunx> ahh... and writes that to an array or file, which ldm parses?
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| 12:58 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 12:58 | and ldm just picks one to execute
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| 12:58 | <shogunx> gotcha
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| 12:59 | <ogra> you can use ~/.xsession
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| 12:59 | <sbalneav> ogra: hey, I can select my session!
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| 12:59 | <ogra> to override the default session
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| 12:59 | <sbalneav> I've logged in both using gnome, and a failsafe xterm!
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| 12:59 | * ogra applauds sbalneav extatically | |
| 12:59 | * sbalneav is so proud. | |
| 12:59 | <sbalneav> \o/ for me
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| 13:00 | <ogra> YAY
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| 13:00 | * ogra dances | |
| 13:00 | <sbalneav> I'll bzr push
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| 13:00 | <shogunx> if i were going to be operating this network, i surely would. it is going to a tiny village in Benin, and I want to send it as head scratcher free as possible.
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| 13:01 | <shogunx> i'm going to kludge the udev scripts to work with gdm... if anyone wants the scripts when I'm done, I will post them.
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| 13:01 | <ogra> shogunx, that wont work
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| 13:01 | the ltspfs scripts need the ldm ssh tunnel to communicate to the server
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| 13:01 | <shogunx> unless you have changed it significantly since the last release... which it appears you have.
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| 13:02 | maybe i can put lbus back in.
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| 13:02 | <shogunx> had to do that on edgy, iirc.
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| 13:02 | <ogra> why do you customize it so much if you want it "as head scratcher free as possible" ??
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| 13:03 | that will make it very hard to maintain ...
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| 13:03 | * ogra would go with an as-default-setup as possible to mae sure everyone can maintain it later | |
| 13:04 | <shogunx> i want certain features to work out of the box when it arrives onsite. i do as much config here as possible before shipping the network out to somewhere with no power grid.
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| 13:04 | previous version shipped with a whip-snappy fast login loading... i can't send a next revision machine with a 45 second delay.
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| 13:05 | <ogra> well, up to you indeed ... i can only contribute my experiences to that :)
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| 13:05 | <shogunx> oh, do not think i am not thankful. i am.
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| 13:05 | <ogra> when do you need to deploy ?
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| 13:06 | <shogunx> the NGo installing the solar power will be ready for shipment next week.
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| 13:06 | NGO ^^
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| 13:06 | takes 4 days door to door to Benin from florida.
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| 13:06 | <ogra> ah, well, to early for gutsy
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| 13:06 | <shogunx> next machine will for sure be in the gutsy range.
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| 13:07 | <ogra> gutsy cuts down booting significantly ...
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| 13:07 | and runs on the wrst crap you can imagine :)
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| 13:07 | *worst
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| 13:07 | <shogunx> i am a reasonably able programmer... difficulty level in backporting?
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| 13:07 | <ogra> from 1-10 ?
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| 13:07 | <shogunx> sure
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| 13:08 | <ogra> 11 i'd say ...
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| 13:08 | <shogunx> heh heh
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| 13:08 | <ogra> there were massive changes, like dropping nfs
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| 13:08 | <shogunx> how are you accessing the chroot now?
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| 13:08 | <ogra> as we did before
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| 13:09 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
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| 13:09 | see that page
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| 13:09 | <shogunx> ok
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| 13:09 | <ogra> it roughly describes the changes
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> ogra: How did you manage to get the --base command line args in the scripts? Is there something I should be using other than getopts?
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| 13:10 | <ogra> hmm, what do we use in ltsp-build-client ?
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| 13:10 | <shogunx> so are you storing that squashfs in memory on the client?
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| 13:11 | <ogra> no
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| 13:11 | <shogunx> ohhh... i see how you did it. nice.
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| 13:11 | <ogra> like a liveCD
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| 13:12 | in fact a lot of the initramfs code is stolen from the ubuntu liveCD scripts
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| 13:12 | <shogunx> i've always felt that type of thing was the best way to program.
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| 13:14 | <ogra> Gadi, http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/revision/ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070813180935-uuhrndu27oe8t19t?start_revid=ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070813180935-uuhrndu27oe8t19t
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| 13:14 | Gadi, thanks a lot :)
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| 13:14 | <monteslu> ogra, got a sec?
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| 13:14 | I'm a little confused about the dhcp server on edubuntu
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| 13:14 | there's two confs
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| 13:14 | and the services control gui only seems to be pointed at the non-ltsp one
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| 13:16 | <ogra> monteslu, the services gui will only run the initscripts of the server to start or stop
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| 13:16 | the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file always overrides the shipped dhcpd config
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| 13:16 | <monteslu> so was the init script modified?
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| 13:17 | <ogra> take a look :)
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| 13:17 | <monteslu> will do, thanks much
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| 13:19 | it was :)
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| 13:19 | now, on to load balancing
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| 13:20 | I'm gonna just try and have half of the machines connect to the second ltsp server
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| 13:21 | <shogunx> the reason SCREEN_7 = startx will not do localdev is an environment variable passed via ssh, correct?
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| 13:22 | one that does not exist with a plain old xdmcp session?
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| 13:22 | <ogra> shogunx, nope, its an intercommunication of several scripts
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> when you plug in a localdevice, the ltspfs mount command happens over the ssh tunnel.
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| 13:22 | <shogunx> ok, thats in udev then, right?
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| 13:22 | <ogra> right, the ssh socket the scripts talk through to each other doesnt exists in xdmc sessions
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| 13:22 | *xdmcp
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> right. If you don't have an ssh tunnel, then the mount won't happen.
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| 13:26 | <shogunx> well, i guess i can have the sysop set .xession for new users, and make them deal with the delay on the greeter. seems cleaner than hacking away at several scripts in the long run, particularly when those scripts will likely get overwritten on a dist-upgrade
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| 13:27 | <ogra> right, just use the ldm from sbalneav
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| 13:27 | <shogunx> yep.
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| 13:28 | <Q-FUNK> hoi!
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| 13:28 | <shogunx> i'm likely going to have to hold these guys hands for a while anyway, and for sure when the dist-upgrade to gutsy happens.
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| 13:28 | <cliebow> gutsy will rock!
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| 13:28 | <ogra> it will
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| 13:28 | gutsy+1 will rock more
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| 13:28 | <shogunx> i believe it.
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| 13:28 | <Q-FUNK> so far, gutsy is scaring the hell out of me.
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| 13:29 | too many scary bugs happening with X and the kernel, in gutsy, so far.
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| 13:29 | <ogra> whats scary about it ?
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| 13:30 | * ogra didnt see any scarier bugs with kernel or X than in other releases yet | |
| 13:30 | <Q-FUNK> kernel: droping features simply because the kernel and/or udev maintaienr don't like them, which leaves people in a bad situation when rebooting.
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| 13:31 | <ogra> actually i dont think we ever had a better X
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| 13:31 | well, thats upstream, isnt it ?
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| 13:31 | <Q-FUNK> X: kills the display after a few minutes. pressing any key or moving the mouse has no effect. the host is still running and can be ssh'ed into, but no X.
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| 13:31 | <ogra> or what features do you mean ?
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| 13:31 | <shogunx> any plans for the free branch of madwifi in gutsy? if any of you guys use it?
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| 13:32 | <Q-FUNK> no, that's ubuntu deciding to not include the frame buffers, for instance.
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| 13:32 | <ogra> huh ?
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| 13:32 | how do you think usplash works
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| 13:33 | <Q-FUNK> which, among other things, means that vga=xxx no longer works.
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| 13:33 | <cliebow> hmm..getting dumoped to initramfs prompt...cat nbd-server
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| 13:33 | <ogra> it does for me ... and i know the code for it is in initramfs i've seen it recently
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| 13:33 | <Q-FUNK> sorry, no. several users have reported that it's borken.
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| 13:34 | <ogra> hmm, weird
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| 13:34 | <cliebow> borken..i like that
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| 13:34 | <ogra> cliebow, any errors ?
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| 13:34 | <Q-FUNK> if soemone has vga=xxx in the grub options, they end up with a blank screen.
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| 13:34 | <cliebow> ohh same old..cant access job control..
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| 13:35 | <ogra> cliebow, thats a symptom ... i want an error :)
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| 13:36 | Q-FUNK, well, /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/framebuffer has the code for it at least
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| 13:36 | vga defaults to vesafb ...
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| 13:36 | <Q-FUNK> maybe, but grub options are ignored. they are expected to work.
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| 13:36 | <cliebow> which init can i restart for inetd
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| 13:37 | <ogra> openbsd-inetd
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| 13:37 | <BlackDark> ogra with ltsp 5, is that a way to put a splash screen while the terminal is finishing the boot on nfs ?
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| 13:37 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, well it uses
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| 13:37 | for x in $(cat /proc/cmdline); do
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| 13:37 | case ${x} in
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| 13:37 | vga=*)
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| 13:37 | <cliebow> ahh yes..
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| 13:37 | <Q-FUNK> the gutsy kernel is compiled with vesafb built-in, but bootloader options are ignored. all other fb are omited.
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| 13:37 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, so i doubt it can be ignored if its in the kernel commandline
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| 13:38 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: doubt it if you like. it's been confirmed by several users.
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| 13:38 | <ogra> BlackDark, well, on ubuntu ltsp5 you should have a splash screen constantly until the login screen comes up
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| 13:38 | by default
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| 13:38 | <BlackDark> umm I don't
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| 13:39 | <mistik1> uuoc
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| 13:39 | <BlackDark> is it a kernel parameter for hte splash ?
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| 13:40 | <ogra> BlackDark, make sure the words "splash" and "quiet" are in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 13:40 | <cliebow> i cant see anything in netstat implying nbd is running..
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| 13:40 | <ogra> cliebow, is inetd running ?
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| 13:41 | and is nbd uncommented in /etc/inetd,conf ?
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| 13:41 | <BlackDark> ogra, vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash acpi=force
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| 13:41 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK: You got some bug numbers?
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| 13:41 | <ogra> so you should have a bootsplash
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| 13:41 | <cliebow> it says restarted..seems to b3e...port 2000
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| 13:41 | <ogra> right
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| 13:42 | <cliebow> amongst others
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| 13:42 | <ogra> thats the default
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| 13:42 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: for the kernel, yup. just a sec.
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| 13:42 | <BlackDark> where is the bitmap file ?
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| 13:42 | is it stored in the initrd ?
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> What about the X one?
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| 13:42 | <ogra> BlackDark, yes
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| 13:43 | BlackDark, and in the filesystem as well
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| 13:43 | <BlackDark> note that I don;t have any with the server either
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| 13:43 | <ogra> in $ROOT/usr/lib/usplash/
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| 13:43 | <BlackDark> so I think it's linked
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| 13:43 | <ogra> did you install on top of a commandline install ?
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| 13:43 | <Q-FUNK> bug 120747
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| 13:43 | <ogra> they default to no usplash
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| 13:44 | <BlackDark> yes
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| 13:46 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK: Well, it's not working. I don't see any indication of him dropping vesafb. In fact, he confirms it's built in the kernel.
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| 13:46 | So it's just broken.
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| 13:46 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: which is why the bug was retitled
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| 13:47 | sbalneav: vga=xxx work swith vanilla kernels so, whatever is causing this, it's ubuntu-specific.
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| 13:47 | <sbalneav> Sure, but you said "droping features simply because the kernel and/or udev maintaienr don't like them, which leaves people in a bad situation when rebooting"
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| 13:47 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:48 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: yes, which is how it was summarized to me on -devel
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> By who, collins?
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| 13:48 | <BlackDark> ogra, the package usplash-theme-ubuntu was not installed, so no splash
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| 13:48 | <ogra> indeed
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| 13:48 | ltsp-build-client checks whch desktop is installed and adds the artwork for usplash accordingly
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| 13:49 | <Q-FUNK> matt garret, who tells me I should never use a frame buffer and the udev changelog, which shows a similar preference.
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| 13:49 | <ogra> if you didnt have any desktop it wont install anything ...
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| 13:49 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: in fact, recent udev blacklists all frame buffers.
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| 13:51 | <ogra> ogra@laptop:~/devel/gutsy-ltsp$ grep frambuffer /usr/share/doc/udev/changelog.Debian.gz
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| 13:51 | ogra@laptop:~/devel/gutsy-ltsp$
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| 13:51 | no indication of that in the ubuntu changelog
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| 13:51 | <Q-FUNK> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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| 13:51 | <ogra> heh, well i shouldnt typo that
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| 13:51 | <Q-FUNK> using soemthign that parses gziped files would help.
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| 13:51 | <ogra> but it doesnt return anthing if its not typoed either :)
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| 13:52 | <Q-FUNK> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer
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| 13:52 | <BlackDark> thanks ogra
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| 13:52 | <ogra> grep does that automatically ...
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| 13:52 | (like less)
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| 13:53 | Q-FUNK, thats from module-init-tools, has nothing to do with udev
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| 13:53 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: same idea nonetheless.
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| 13:54 | <ogra> well, understandable :)
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| 13:54 | you cant load two frambuffer modules at once ...
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| 13:54 | and vesa is in the kernel
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| 13:54 | <Q-FUNK> you can, actually.
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| 13:55 | <ogra> so having them is pointless
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| 13:55 | <Q-FUNK> they end up called bf0 and fb1
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| 13:55 | fb0, even
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| 13:55 | <ogra> well, you can manually load them still ...
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| 13:55 | the blacklist file just prevents the autoloading
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| 14:00 | <cliebow> ahhh much better on the laptop..now to check the other machine
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| 14:03 | <monteslu> ogra, I'm using and smbldap server, so I can't follow your example for local devices. What is the name of the group that localdev users need?
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| 14:03 | <ogra> fuse
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| 14:03 | <monteslu> simple enough, thanks
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| 14:03 | <ogra> make sure it matches the group # on the server machine
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| 14:04 | <monteslu> hmm... I'll try to figure that one out :)
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| 14:07 | <ogra> sbalneav, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8797655/ltsp-update-image.patch is scary
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> ogra: Those my changes?
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| 14:09 | <ogra> nope
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| 14:09 | francis
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| 14:09 | from bug 127332
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> He's just modded some of my patches. He noted that I forgot the :'s after all three options.
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| 14:11 | I'm just looking into using the long options now, to be consistent
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| 14:17 | <ogra> anyway
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| 14:17 | * ogra calls it a day and moves over to the TV | |
| 14:18 | <ogra> night all
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| 14:18 | <Lumiere> nini
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| 14:21 | <cliebow> night ogra
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| 14:25 | <shogunx> thanx ogra
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| 14:29 | <monteslu> anyone else using smbldap and local devices?
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| 14:30 | apparently I have a fuse group id #10002 on my smbldap server, but fuse group id #117 on the ltsp servers
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| 14:31 | don't know where I need to change it or how
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| 14:48 | <sbalneav> out for a bit, be back later
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| 14:48 | <monteslu> dude
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| 14:48 | <monteslu> well, I'll catch up with you later
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| 14:49 | <monteslu> need help on local device stuff
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> back
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| 15:05 | monteslu:
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| 15:05 | What's up?
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| 15:07 | monteslu: hello?
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| 15:20 | <timma_> is the Thin Client Manager available for 4.2?
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| 15:22 | <sbalneav> timma_: no
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| 15:50 | <monteslu> sbalneav, I'm tring to get local devices working. Have you done this with smbldap ?
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| 15:52 | <sbalneav> I've had samba and ltspfs working together, yes.
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| 15:52 | What is it exactly you're trying to do?
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| 15:54 | <monteslu> trying to use local devices work while having each of my ltsp servers connect to an smbldap server
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| 15:55 | everything else is working except that the group IDs for fuse
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| 15:55 | are different
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| 15:56 | <sbalneav> Well, you'll have to make them the same
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| 15:57 | <monteslu> yeah, not sure how :)
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| 15:57 | might be a question for moquist
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| 15:57 | using his smbldap installer
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| 15:57 | why not just make it available to all users?
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| 16:00 | <sbalneav> Just add all your users to the fuse group on the local box.
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| 16:01 | Either that, or just make fuse world read-write, if you want everybody to have localdev access
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| 16:01 | in /etc/udev/rules.d/45-fuse.rules
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| 16:02 | <monteslu> I like the second option
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| 16:02 | i don't have any local users
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| 16:04 | <monteslu> so I just delete the group parameter?
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| 16:04 | <sbalneav> no
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| 16:05 | add:
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| 16:05 | , MODE="666"
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| 16:05 | on to the end of the rule
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| 16:05 | <monteslu> ooh, ok
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| 16:05 | thanks
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| 16:05 | <sbalneav> you'll have to restart udev
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| 16:05 | <monteslu> cool
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| 16:06 | <sbalneav> and unload and load the fuse module.
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| 16:06 | <monteslu> i'll just bounce the whole box, users arent on it until tomorrow :)
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| 16:29 | <monteslu> mode 666 and still no good. I'm gonna give screen02 a shell
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| 16:30 | hoping to at least see something locally happen in /dev after plugging in thumb drive
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| 16:31 | sure enough, I get a /dev/sda1 after pluggin it in
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| 16:32 | but adding that screen02, hosed my ldm
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| 16:32 | gotta remove it, i guess
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| 16:32 | btw, why is lts.conf so empty on edubuntu?
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| 16:33 | <sbalneav> Because lots of stuff is automatic
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| 16:33 | where did you change the fuse rules? In the chroot?
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| 16:34 | off to take my kids swimming
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> well, first try with ltsp 5.0.22 on debian was abysmal
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| 16:36 | it boots up to a blinking cursor
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| 16:36 | maybe i can turn off the x configuration stuff or something
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| 16:45 | <monteslu> sbalneav, not in chroot
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| 16:45 | just on the server
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| 16:51 | * vagrantc mutters a bit more | |
| 16:54 | * monteslu mutters about biting of more than he could chew switching a 2 server install from ltsp4 to 5 | |
| 17:14 | <monteslu> is there more group related issues with udev and printers on thin clients?
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| 17:15 | * monteslu mutters about security being great, but this is really difficult | |
| 17:42 | <monteslu> XDM_SERVER does nothing
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| 17:42 | i try pointing it at my second server for certain workstations and they ignore it
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| 17:42 | this is beyond frustrating
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> are they using XDMCP ?
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| 17:45 | ogra: something in that x_configure script hangs on debian indefinitely ...
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| 17:46 | <monteslu> actually, I went back to ldm because the docs said that only ldm will do sound and local devices
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| 17:46 | is it not possible for SERVER to point to a different ltsp server for particular workstations?
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| 17:47 | or is there some other well documented form of load-balancing two ltsp servers?
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| 17:59 | <whiprush_> I'm not aware of any load balancing at all
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| 18:01 | <monteslu> yeah, it's all hacks right now I think
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| 18:02 | but I got 70 terminals and 2 servers, gotta do something
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| 18:02 | oh, and lts.conf apparently needs MAC addresses or IPs, host names dont seem to work anymore
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| 18:03 | <whiprush_> currently I "load balance" by changing dhcp settings per client, kind of crappy, but it works
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| 18:03 | only had to set them once
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| 18:08 | <monteslu> you mean like specifying by MAC?
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| 18:09 | <whiprush_> yeah
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| 18:09 | I have ranges for each room of labs
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| 18:09 | <monteslu> the thing I havent figured out is how to have two dhcp servers, and have some clients on each, but leave a range open for non-thin clients
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| 18:12 | <whiprush_> vlans?
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| 18:12 | home come you have 2 dhcp servers?
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| 18:18 | <monteslu> I only have one active
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| 18:18 | i have 2 edubuntu servers
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| 18:19 | trying to load balance by specifying which server for the thin client to connect to via ldm, but it's not working
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| 18:27 | <sbalneav> monteslu: should work, is your network flat?
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| 18:27 | i.e. all terminals, and servers on the same segment?
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| 18:30 | <monteslu> yup
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| 18:30 | but I've tried XDM_SERVER, and SERVER and nothing seems to work
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| 18:30 | they always want to connect to ltsp1
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| 18:31 | <sbalneav> Can you paste your lts.conf?
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| 18:31 | to the pastebot?
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| 18:31 | <monteslu> !pastebot
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| 18:31 | <ltspbot`> monteslu: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 18:31 | <monteslu> yeah, one sec
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| 18:31 | <sbalneav> XDM_SERVER won't work for ldm
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| 18:32 | <ltsppbot> "monteslu" pasted "lts.conf" (31 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/272
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| 18:33 | <sbalneav> Well, you don't need the "like=default" every time.
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| 18:34 | <monteslu> figured, but i had it in my ltsp 4 version
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| 18:34 | did host names quit working, btw ?
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| 18:34 | <sbalneav> ok, on .67, what happens when you do a "getltscfg -a" on the shell?
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| 18:34 | no, they work
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| 18:35 | <monteslu> getlstcfg returns everything I have in lts.conf
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| 18:37 | shell is on the thin client right? because its showing root@ltsp1 on the prompt
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| 18:37 | <sbalneav> correct.
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| 18:37 | <monteslu> my 2 servers are named ltsp1 & ltsp2
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| 18:37 | <sbalneav> What does it say for the SERVER variable?
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| 18:38 | <monteslu> 192.168.0.21 which is the ip of ltsp2
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| 18:38 | 192.168.0.20 is ltsp1
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| 18:38 | <sbalneav> And you're saying that workstation doesnt connect to that server?
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| 18:38 | <monteslu> exactly
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| 18:38 | its only connecting to ltsp1
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| 18:39 | i don't have a dchp server running on ltsp2
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| 18:39 | <sbalneav> ok, change SERVER to LDM_SERVER
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| 18:39 | try that
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| 18:39 | <monteslu> cool. will do
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| 18:41 | these things take a little longer to boot than they did on ltsp4
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| 18:42 | still on ltsp1
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| 18:42 | <sbalneav> so you logged in, and your on ltsp1?
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| 18:43 | <monteslu> oh, didn't try logging in :)... just noticed ltsp1 from the login screen
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| 18:43 | <sbalneav> Well, it's serving the chroot from ltsp1
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| 18:43 | since, thats where it's dhcpd is.
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| 18:43 | try logging in.
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| 18:44 | <monteslu> wont let me log in
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| 18:44 | just kicks me back out to the log in prompt
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| 18:44 | <sbalneav> have you added ltsp2's ssh host keys to the chroot on ltsp1?
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| 18:45 | <monteslu> nope
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| 18:45 | <sbalneav> That would be a problem.
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| 18:45 | You'll need to do that.
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| 18:45 | <monteslu> no idea how
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| 18:45 | in /opt/ltsp ?
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| 18:45 | <sbalneav> on ltsp2
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| 18:46 | what do you have in /etc/ssh?
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| 18:47 | <monteslu> several things: moduli ssh_config sshd_config ssh_host_dsa_key ssh_host_dsa_key.pub ssh_host_rsa_key ssh_host_rsa_key.pub
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| 18:47 | <sbalneav> do you have a chroot on ltsp2?
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| 18:48 | <monteslu> think so, it's the edubuntu server install
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| 18:48 | /opt/ltsp/i386 is there
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| 18:48 | <sbalneav> ok, on ltsp2
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| 18:48 | do a sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 18:49 | <monteslu> done
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| 18:49 | <sbalneav> then look in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh on ltsp2
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| 18:49 | there a ssh_known_hosts file there?
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| 18:50 | <monteslu> yup
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| 18:50 | <sbalneav> ok, copy that file to /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.extra on ltsp1
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| 18:52 | <monteslu> done
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| 18:52 | <sbalneav> then, do an ltsp-update-sshkeys on ltsp1
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| 18:52 | then reboot the terminal
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| 18:52 | you should be able to log in
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| 18:53 | <monteslu> awesome, rebooting now
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| 18:55 | something's still wrong
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| 18:56 | <sbalneav> In #edubuntu
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| 18:56 | <monteslu> sshd need to restart?
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| 18:56 | <sbalneav> no
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| 18:57 | are you in the shell?
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| 18:57 | <monteslu> i can be
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| 18:57 | in
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| 18:57 | <sbalneav> do an ssh -l <some username> 192.168.0.21
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| 18:57 | does it ask you if you're sure you want to connect?
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| 18:58 | <monteslu> yeah, didn't know the host
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| 18:58 | if I say yes, I can connect
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| 18:58 | <sbalneav> ok, then something didnt work right from tansferring the ssh keys.
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| 18:58 | <monteslu> but I think that drops something into .ssh/known_hosts right?
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| 18:59 | <sbalneav> no
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| 18:59 | can you copy the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts on ltsp1 to the pastebot please?
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| 19:00 | <lns> Hey has anyone used any integrated LCD thin clients with LTSP?
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| 19:00 | <ltsppbot> "monteslu" pasted "known_hosts" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/273
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| 19:00 | <monteslu> yeah nothing about ltsp2
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| 19:01 | <sbalneav> that would be a problem.
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| 19:01 | ok, then tack the contents of /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.extra on to the end of ssh_known_hosts on ltsp1
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| 19:02 | <monteslu> you mean just edit the file?
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| 19:02 | <sbalneav> yup
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| 19:02 | really, that's all ltsp-update-sshkeys does.
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| 19:03 | <monteslu> strange, ltsp2's file doesn't have the correct IP address
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| 19:04 | <monteslu> maybe it was built before the address was statically assigned?
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| 19:05 | ltsp-update-sshkeys didn't change the IP
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| 19:05 | I'll try it anyway
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| 19:05 | <kaos01> hi, is the xserver getting updated anytime soon ?
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| 19:06 | <sbalneav> Which version of ltsp?
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| 19:07 | kaos01: Which version of ltsp are you referring to?
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| 19:07 | <kaos01> well im using 4.2
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| 19:07 | <sbalneav> Most new development of ltsp is taking place in ltsp5
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| 19:08 | <kaos01> yes but ltsp5, is not stable for fedora
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| 19:08 | <sbalneav> Yep, that's true
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| 19:08 | <monteslu> kaos01, I'm currently switching to edubuntu from fedora. Some learning curve, but its not that bad
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| 19:08 | <kaos01> and we are faced with the problem that the Xservers are getting to out of date
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| 19:09 | so we are thinking of moving away from LTSP for a while
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| 19:09 | <monteslu> sbalneav, that didn't fix it. But I'm gonna try and change the ip to 192.168.0.21 for the ltsp2 section
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| 19:09 | <sbalneav> monteslu: hold on a sec
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| 19:10 | you've got two files on ltsp2 in the /etc/ssh directory
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| 19:11 | <monteslu> three files actually : moduli ssh_config ssh_known_hosts
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| 19:11 | <sbalneav> in /etc/ssh?
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| 19:11 | <monteslu> nope /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh
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| 19:11 | <sbalneav> Did I say that? :)
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| 19:11 | the .pub files
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| 19:12 | <monteslu> ooh, no .pub files in there
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| 19:12 | ok, I've confused myself
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| 19:12 | <sbalneav> no pub files in /etc/ssh on ltsp2?
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| 19:12 | <monteslu> sorry, there is some in /etc/ssh
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| 19:13 | ssh_host_dsa_key.pub ssh_host_rsa_key.pub
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| 19:13 | <sbalneav> have a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh on ltsp2
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| 19:13 | are those same keys in there?
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| 19:13 | in the ssh_known_hosts file?
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| 19:15 | kaos01: Well, don't know what to tell you. We could always use people who'd be willing to work on the Fedora port.
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| 19:15 | most work's happening in Ubuntu and Debian right now.
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| 19:15 | <monteslu> sbalneav, yeah looks like they are
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| 19:16 | <sbalneav> are the names and ip addreses right in that file?
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| 19:17 | <monteslu> those .pub files dont have names or IPs
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| 19:17 | wait, the end says root@ltsp1
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| 19:17 | of each
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| 19:18 | <sbalneav> no, not the pub files
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| 19:18 | are the names and ip addresses right in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts file on ltsp2?
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| 19:18 | as well as the keys from the pub file.
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| 19:19 | <monteslu> the IPs were wrong
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| 19:20 | <sbalneav> Did you do an ltsp-update-sshkeys on ltsp2, like I said?
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| 19:20 | <monteslu> yep
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| 19:21 | but it didn't change the IP in the file to the new IP
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| 19:21 | it does show the correct keys though
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| 19:21 | <sbalneav> Humour me and so a sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys again on ltsp2
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| 19:21 | <monteslu> no prob
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| 19:22 | <sbalneav> now check the ip's
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| 19:23 | <monteslu> still got the old ones
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| 19:24 | bug?
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| 19:24 | <sbalneav> on ltsp2
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| 19:24 | ip -o addr show
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| 19:25 | <monteslu> shows the new IP
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| 19:25 | 192.168.0.21
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| 19:25 | nothing about the old dhcp one that's in the known_hosts
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| 19:25 | <sbalneav> Is this host accessible from the internet?
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| 19:26 | can you create me an account?
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| 19:26 | <monteslu> i can do a forward, one sec
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| 19:27 | <sbalneav> create me an account, and add me to the admin group
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| 19:28 | Either you're doing something seriously wrong, or there's something seriously wrong with ltsp-update-sshkeys.
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| 19:28 | One or the other of us will owe the other one a beer. :)
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| 19:51 | <monteslu> sbalneav is the man. Just in case any of you didn't know that yet.
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: finally got ldm2 working on debian :)
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| 20:09 | had to unbreak all the changes to x configuration ... well, work around them ... will unbreak them sometime later
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| 20:09 | * vagrantc dances | |
| 20:09 | * vagrantc grumbles and mutters | |
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| 21:17 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 21:47 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 22:01 | <sbalneav> hey jammcq
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| 22:01 | <jammcq> hey
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| 22:15 | <rjune> jammcq !
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| 22:15 | <jammcq> rjune !
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| 22:18 | <rjune> how goes it
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| 22:20 | <jammcq> goes good
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| 22:20 | <rjune> glad to hear it
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| 22:21 | <jammcq> rjune: there's an open-source in education conf in Indiana sometime in october
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| 22:21 | <rjune> Yeah I know, Mike Huffman is putting it on
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| 22:21 | You gonna be there?
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| 22:22 | <jammcq> i'm thinking about it
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| 22:22 | <rjune> Down in Indy IIRC
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| 22:22 | If you do, planning on driving?
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| 22:22 | <jammcq> certainly
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| 22:22 | way to close to fly
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| 22:23 | <rjune> at the very least you should stop by where I work.
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| 22:23 | <jammcq> it's like a 4-1/2 hour drive for me
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| 22:23 | where is that?
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| 22:23 | <rjune> yeah, I know, and I'm just about right on the way
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| 22:23 | Plymouth, IN
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| 22:23 | <jammcq> yer along I-65, aren't you?
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| 22:23 | <rjune> no
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| 22:23 | <jammcq> did you move?
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| 22:23 | <rjune> I'm about an hour from I65
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| 22:24 | nope.
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| 22:24 | I'm close, but not right on
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| 22:24 | <jammcq> I come done I-69, how far is that from you?
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| 22:25 | <rjune> about 90 minutes from plymouth
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| 22:25 | <jammcq> yeah, not exactly on the way
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| 22:25 | <rjune> mostly west of I69
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| 22:26 | I would expect you to take I75 south to I70 West
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| 22:27 | <jammcq> no, that's way out of the way
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| 22:27 | <rjune> ok then
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| 22:27 | <jammcq> I take I-96 west to I-69, then down a diagonal to Indy
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| 22:27 | <rjune> yeah, that's what google maps says
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| 22:27 | though it claims 5 hours
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| 22:28 | A guy I work with is a pilot, I may have to see if he wants to fly to ft wayne for lunch on that day
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| 22:29 | <jammcq> I might be coming real late at night. we have a user group meeting on tuesday night that I don't want to miss
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| 22:31 | <rjune> CINLug?
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| 22:31 | <jammcq> MUG
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| 22:32 | <rjune> oh, up near you
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| 22:32 | ah well.
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| 22:32 | I'll see if I can get out of work for it, I'm pretty sure I can get in
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| 22:33 | <jammcq> i'm not even certain that I'm going
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| 22:33 | <rjune> let me know if you do
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| 22:34 | <jammcq> sure
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| 22:34 | <rjune> did you hear? I got a car.
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| 22:34 | <jammcq> I did
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| 22:34 | how is it?
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| 22:34 | <rjune> hopefully one day it'll run
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| 22:34 | :-D
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| 22:35 | did you see the pics?
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| 22:35 | <jammcq> nope
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| 22:35 | url?
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| 22:36 | <rjune> http://home.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/bmw
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| 22:38 | <jammcq> ah, the Ultimate driving machine
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| 22:38 | <rjune> right now it's the ultimate dust gathering machine
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| 22:39 | I'm about beat. two days of solid work cleaning the garage to pull it in. another 8 hours fixing the lawnmower and mowing the yard so I coud push it into the garage.
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| 22:40 | tomorrow I'll pull off the hood, then I can start tearing it down.
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| 22:40 | cars do not push well on grass
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| 22:47 | I trust your daughter is doing well in school?
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| 22:48 | <jammcq> yeah, she's just about to start her final year
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| 22:58 | <rjune> cool
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| 22:58 | she stick with her original major? or did she go for the 5 year plan?
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| 22:58 | <jammcq> original major (biology) and she's on track to complete it in a 4-year plan
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| 23:02 | <sbalneav> rjune: Why isn't it running?
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| 23:03 | <rjune> sbalneav: it was run for an unkown period of time with ~ 3 qt oil when it needs 5
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| 23:03 | jammcq: cool
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| 23:03 | <sbalneav> Wow, must have been a steal.
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| 23:03 | <rjune> sbalneav: last I heard it run, it had a knock. I'm hoping this is something which is repairable
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| 23:04 | $0 CA
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| 23:05 | <sbalneav> Free's always a deal.
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| 23:07 | <rjune> yup
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| 23:07 | and I know a number of parts are brand new
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| 23:10 | well, it's 2300, and that's naptime here.
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| 23:10 | I'll talk to y'all tomorrow
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| 23:10 | or some other time.
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| 23:23 | <whiprush_> moquist: hey, did you need some winbind help the other day?
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| 23:25 | <sbalneav> Hey whiprush_
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| 23:32 | <whiprush_> hi scotty
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| 23:32 | what a coincidence
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| 23:32 | watching my Roger Waters DVD
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| 23:33 | and he's doing the solo stuff and I'm like "Man, only Scotty likes this shit ..."
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| 23:34 | <sbalneav> You got a dvd?
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| 23:34 | There a concert dvd?
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| 23:34 | <whiprush_> yeah, live in the flesh?
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| 23:34 | yeah
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| 23:34 | from 2 tours ago
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| 23:34 | <sbalneav> Oh, not this tour
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| 23:35 | I want THIS tour :)
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| 23:35 | <whiprush_> oh and dude, I got my new ltsp -dev server
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| 23:35 | yeah, me too
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| 23:35 | <sbalneav> cool
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| 23:35 | <whiprush_> sbalneav: dual quads, 9x136gb disks, 32gb of ram
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| 23:35 | all on gutsy
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| 23:35 | surely I can help ollie
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| 23:39 | sbalneav: dl380's ... going for about 12 grand US.
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| 23:39 | sbalneav: pure hp proliant hotness
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| 23:39 | <sbalneav> Yeah, we went with ibm's
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| 23:40 | <whiprush_> even when I bought these I bitched
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| 23:40 | I bought 4
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| 23:40 | <sbalneav> dual quads, but only dual Serial scsi, and 5 gigs of ram.
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| 23:40 | <whiprush_> I was like "Awesome, I am spending 50 grand, and you guys won't give me an intel i965 thin client."
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| 23:40 | <sbalneav> what do they call that......
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| 23:40 | SAS
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| 23:40 | that's it.
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| 23:40 | <whiprush_> yeah
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| 23:41 | that's what we got, SAS drives
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| 23:41 | 2.5 inch too
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| 23:41 | very hot
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| 23:41 | hot as in "awesome" I mean
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| 23:41 | <sbalneav> ssssssSASsy
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| 23:44 | <whiprush_> sbalneav: you should have been to UL.
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| 23:44 | at the bar, there were intel people
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| 23:44 | and like, I was totally whining about the lack of an i965 thin client
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| 23:44 | you know how annoying I can get when drunk
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| 23:57 | <tulga> hello ogra, hello sbalneav
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| 23:57 | <sbalneav> hello
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| 23:57 | <tulga> do you know other channel about thinclient computing?
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