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| 12:03 | <dgroos> Hello!
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| 12:04 | I'm trying to setup fat clients for the school year and am getting stuck at client access to internet. Ideas?
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| 12:28 | <dgroos> Also, upon restart of server always need to run sudo service dnsmasq otherwise get tftp timeout error
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| 12:48 | <dgroos> When using epoptes, shouldn't I be able to go to "Clients" menu then navigate [Execute/Open terminal/Root, locally] and see logs etc?
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| 12:48 | the terminal is blank and doesn't respond to commands that I see.
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| 13:33 | <alkisg_web> dgroos: if you select open terminal > root, remotely, does it open?
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| 13:34 | Usually the problem that you describe happens when the root epoptes client is hanged
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| 13:36 | <dgroos> alkisg_web, nothing happens when I try root, remotely
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| 13:37 | <alkisg_web> User, remotely?
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| 13:37 | Does user remotely work? Also, any firewalls involved?
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| 13:38 | <dgroos> @alkisg_web, I only see Root, remotely. I've not set up any firewalls on the server...
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| 13:39 | *classroom server
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| 13:48 | <dgroos> rebooted client and root, locally works. Problem was probably that I didn't issue sudo service dnsmasq at server until client was trying to boot.
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| 13:57 | Something unexpected, when looking at the logs in root, locally I see that the time shown in the syslog is about 2 minutes faster than the time at the classroom server.
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| 13:59 | <alkisg_web> Does the NAT work?
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| 13:59 | Do clients have internet so that they could sync the time from ntp?
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| 13:59 | ntp is managed by systemd nowadays, not related to ltsp scripts much...
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| 14:09 | <dgroos> Ah... I was thinking that "sudo mv '/home/myusername/sch-scripts.if-up' /etc/network/if-up.d/sch-scripts" would do the NATting!
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| 14:09 | let me check the systemd NAT instructions!
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| 14:15 | <dgroos> is this what I want to do? https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-nats-on-ubuntu-16-04
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| 14:20 | <alkisg_web> dgroos: ntp is managed by systemd
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| 14:20 | nat by ltsp manager or sch-scripts
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| 14:20 | NOT nat by systemd
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| 14:20 | Just check if the clients have internet or not...
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| 14:21 | <dgroos> oops! OK, just tried to ping 8.8.8.8 on the local root and no connection.
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| 14:22 | <alkisg_web> Maybe your wget got an html page
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| 14:22 | Instead of a script
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| 14:22 | Check the file contents
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| 14:22 | bbiab
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| 14:24 | <dgroos> sure enough! I'll hit the download button and go from there! Thanks!
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| 15:16 | <desparate_user> I seem to have solved my problem from yesterday with the missing kernels by purging /opt/ltsp/amd64 and re-running ltsp-update-image. All looked fine, but now the clients won't boot. "read: Connection refused"
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| 15:16 | Anyone come across this error message before? Where does it come from?
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| 15:32 | <alkisg_web> desparate_user: upload a screenshot of the client screen from a mobile phone. Also, distro/version?
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| 15:42 | <desparate_user> FCK! Don't have my mobile here. It all looks normal. Last line shown is "Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/default ok" . Then after some time it continues with "connect: Connection refused" followed by many "read: Connection refused"
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| 15:43 | I suspect that's when it tries to use nbd, am I right?
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> it's not clear weather that's failing in the tftp of kernel+initrd or loading the OS image via NBD
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| 15:44 | and the messages output by different PXE implementations vary quite a bit
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| 15:45 | depending on your logging levels, you might be able to see if it downloads the vmlinuz and initrd.img in /var/log/syslo
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| 15:45 | in /var/log/syslog
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| 15:45 | <desparate_user> Yes, it does
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> do you end up with a shell prompt eventually?
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| 15:46 | such as a busybox prompt
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| 15:46 | <desparate_user> Nah, just repeats the line "read: Connection refused" without end
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| 15:46 | In between it comes up with something about NFS not working either, which I would expect anyway
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| 15:47 | Last syslog entries:
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> what OS?
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| 15:47 | <desparate_user> Aug 25 17:41:09 server dnsmasq-tftp[2572]: sent /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.cfg/default to 192.168.2.103 Aug 25 17:41:09 server dnsmasq-tftp[2572]: sent /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/ifcpu64.c32 to 192.168.2.103 Aug 25 17:41:11 server dnsmasq-tftp[2572]: sent /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/vmlinuz-3.13.0-128-generic to 192.168.2.103 Aug 25 17:41:19 server dnsmasq-tftp[2572]: sent /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/initrd.img-3
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| 15:47 | Ubuntu 14.04
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| 15:47 | 64-bit
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| 15:48 | Message in between: "NFS over TCP not available from <server's IP address>"
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> that seems like it's needlessly using ifcpu64 ... but that's a separate issue
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| 15:48 | since you're using an amd64 chroot, there's no need to use ifcpu64
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| 15:48 | <desparate_user> ok
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> could you pastebin the contents of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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| 15:49 | !paste | echo desparate_user
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| 15:49 | <ltsp> desparate_user paste: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 15:49 | <desparate_user> looking at update-kernels.conf could this be an issue here:
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| 15:50 | # Use ifcpu64.c32 to detect 64-bit, PAE or 32-bit machines. PXELINUX_DEFAULT=ltsp-ifcpu64-NFS IFCPU64=true
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> it shouldn't hurt anything either... it's just useless
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| 15:51 | desparate_user: is this an old install that used to work? as 14.04 is kind of old to start out with a new system...
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| 15:52 | <desparate_user> http://termbin.com/l08b
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| 15:52 | It used to work though it's not a really old install. When I started it I had trouble finding proper support for 16.04 on XEN
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| 15:53 | Though I was already thinking about upgrading
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| 15:53 | <desparate_user> which would pretty much mean start from scratch
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> 14.04 surely has lots of bugs we've already fixed in ltsp in the last 3.5 years...
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| 15:55 | default ltsp-ifcpu64-NFS
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| 15:55 | ontimeout ltsp-NBD
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| 15:55 | i'm guessing it's taking the "default" rather than the "ontimeout"
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| 15:56 | desparate_user: i'd suggest setting BOOT_METHODS=NBD in update-kernels.conf and setting IFCPU64=false
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| 15:56 | desparate_user: and then regenerating your menus ...
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| 15:57 | something like: ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 15:57 | and then ltsp-update-kernels
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| 15:57 | surprised xen didn't work well for you with 16.04
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| 15:58 | <desparate_user> This is an LTSP PNP install. Does that make a difference?
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| 15:58 | <desparate_user> Why use ltsp-chroot?
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> if it's LTSP-PNP you wouldn't use ltsp-chroot, no
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| 16:00 | edit update-kernels.conf and regenerate the menus, and see if that helps
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| 16:03 | <desparate_user> How do I regenerate the menus?
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| 16:03 | with /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels?
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> sure, try that
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| 16:04 | we've rewritten a lot of this, but that part should be fine
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| 16:04 | <desparate_user> I think one of my problems was the amount of different documentation floating around. It's hard to find out which one is correct.
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| 16:05 | Would I need to update the image afterwards?
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 16:06 | <desparate_user> :-( That takes a huge amout of time. Will probably kick it off now and look for it on another day
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| 16:06 | <vagrantc> the official documentation lacks maintenance, and there are lots of really badly written howtos all over the internet
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| 16:06 | <desparate_user> Seems so
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| 16:06 | Any good onws?
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| 16:06 | ones
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| 16:06 | <vagrantc> so yes, we need better documentation
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| 16:07 | desparate_user: check if /boot/pxelinux.cfg/default contains a different default entry
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| 16:07 | <desparate_user> I did and it doesn't
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> it still contains the ltsp-ifcpu64-NFS ?
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| 16:08 | <desparate_user> yes
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> after running /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels ?
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| 16:08 | <desparate_user> This should be updated by /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels, right?
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| 16:08 | yes
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| 16:09 | <vagrantc> desparate_user: you're looking at the one in /boot, not the one in tftp ?
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| 16:09 | <desparate_user> I am looking at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 16:09 | <vagrantc> the one in tftp may not get correctly updated until ltsp-update-image is run
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| 16:09 | desparate_user: first check /boot/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 16:10 | <desparate_user> much shorter. but same default
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| 16:10 | <vagrantc> could you paste the results?
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| 16:11 | <desparate_user> sure
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| 16:11 | http://termbin.com/cx6u
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| 16:11 | <vagrantc> could you paste your update-kernels.conf ?
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| 16:12 | <desparate_user> http://termbin.com/je87
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| 16:13 | the files in /boot/pxelinux.cfg get updated when I run update-kernels. At least the timestamp changes
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| 16:14 | * vagrantc has no idea where that default is coming from, then | |
| 16:16 | <vagrantc> probably about all the energy i have to help troubleshoot such an ancient version, unfortunately :/
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| 16:17 | <desparate_user> never mind for now. I'll try to set up a newer one at home. Is it better to use the packages from ts.sch.gr?
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 16:17 | <desparate_user> ok. So this is fine: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp ?
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> they're actively maintained by alkisg, who's the other active LTSP developer
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| 16:17 | <desparate_user> Wonderful. Thanks for your help!
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> desparate_user: that howto looks in decent shape, sure
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| 16:20 | <desparate_user> ok, will follow that one. Off now. bye, thx
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> good luck!
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| 16:49 | <desperate_user> There seems to be a problem with the repository key. Running "add-apt-repository --yes ppa:ts.sch.gr" results in an error: http://termbin.com/rkwf
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| 17:00 | <dgroos> alkisg: I made /etc/network/if-up.d/sch-scripts then sudo chown root:root then chmod +x then rebuilt the image... but still can't ping out from local client root. This is my sch-scripts file: https://pastebin.com/iAn00D8W
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| 17:16 | <alkisg_web> dgroos: that's a server-side script, no need to build image etc
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| 17:16 | Just reboot the server (or unplug/replug ethernet)
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| 17:17 | <dgroos> oh... ok will reboot.
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| 17:17 | <alkisg_web> desperate_user: your system locale configuration is probably broken
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| 17:17 | Use UTF-8, not e.g. LANG=C
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| 17:18 | desperate_user: `env | grep ^L` will tell you your locale settings
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| 17:18 | * vagrantc waves to alkisg_web | |
| 17:18 | <alkisg_web> Hey vagrantc !
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| 17:21 | <dgroos> any idea why I need to redo upon each reboot: sudo service dnsmasq restart
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| 17:27 | alkisg_web: Success with internet access at clients! Thanks so much again. (Note to self, make better detailed notes about working w/sch-scripts.)
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| 17:34 | Anyone have the 16.04 ubuntu fat client error upon login: “ExecutablePath /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver” and then down further it says: “UnreportableReason this problem report is damaged and cannon be processed. PermissionsError(13, Permission denied’)”?
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| 17:42 | <alkisg_web> dgroos: did you dpkg-divert the broken nbd-client init script?
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| 17:42 | If not, that's why the dnsmasq restart issue
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| 17:42 | Or, the network-manager "bind-interfaces" stanza...
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| 17:43 | Which desktop environment, unity?
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| 17:43 | I don't think canonical supports unity anymore...
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| 17:43 | Check if it says the same on the server, and if so, report it in #ubuntu
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| 17:53 | <dgroos> alkisg_web: will do. Any idea about the need to run upon each reboot: sudo service dnsmasq restart?
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| 18:08 | <alkisg_web> dgroos: ls -l /etc/init.d/nbd-client; cat /etc/dnsmasq.d/network-manager
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| 18:08 | Output of those
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| 18:08 | Those are fixed automatically by ltsp-manager
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| 18:17 | <dgroos> alkisg_web: here’s the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25391021/
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| 18:17 | How’s ltsp-manager coming along?
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> making significant progress on ltsp-manager
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| 18:20 | <dgroos> hi vagrantc
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| 18:20 | that’s great!
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| 18:21 | * vagrantc is just waiting on alkisg to finish up some things before uploading to debian | |
| 18:21 | <dgroos> :-)
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| 18:23 | alkisg_web, I don’t know if it’s important or just the way 16.04 does things, but in the internal NIC (of 2 nic system) I wasn’t able to get the 0.0.0.0 to ‘stick’ upon saving. It just showed the Gateway being empty (and still does).
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| 18:32 | <alkisg_web> dgroos: both of those files should be deleted
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| 18:32 | ltsp-manager uses dpkg-divert to remove them
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| 18:32 | That's what bugs dnsmasq
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| 18:33 | <dgroos> I’ll delete them immediately! Again thanks!
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| 18:33 | <alkisg_web> dgroos: about the gateway, it's just nm being smart
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| 18:33 | Just a newer network manager version doing that...
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| 18:33 | <dgroos> I thought as much…
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| 18:35 | <desperate_user> thanks for the LOCALE hint. I had some weird lines in /root/.profile from the install
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| 18:47 | <xKill> hi everybody! just a question... is there some way to register a epoptes client on other server?
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| 18:51 | just did it
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| 18:51 | lol
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| 18:54 | <alkisg_web> desperate_user: you're welcome
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