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can i connect to ltsp via a pc already runnin g with an os
if you want the full experience, you'd need to run a virtual machine.. otherwise you could connect via vnc or remote X
from a windows pc.. it is probably easier to use vnc..
from linux, you can try both
hipy: you can connect to an LTSP server through a variety of protocols, as LTSP is largely just a collection of services to network boot and run remote sessions.
but then you're not using LTSP. it's just remote X or VNC or whatever at that point.
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vagrantc: I saw in the initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs that it calls modprobe af_packet, and I tried to replace the `sleep`s in udhcpc with that, and it worked fine. Do you think that's a better method?
alkisg: no idea
Hmmm I'll mail the devel list with the patch, and I hope someone will know more than us! :-/ Thanks, though...
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alkisg: i think af_packet is needed to do dhcp type requests
alkisg: but it may not neccesarily be a module
"not neccesarily be a module" ==> sorry I didn't get this
alkisg: "modprobe af_packet" ... that loads modules ... i think it tends to be compiled into the kernel, at least on debian.
but on older kernels, it wasn't
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I wonder why it would work with that and without `sleep`, then...
alkisg: you run the udhcp stuff way earlier in the process than configure_networking is normally called
alkisg: maybe you're running it too early?
Yes, that was not my desicion - stgraber put it there so that he didn't have to change any other initscripts
I'd also prefer it if it could be called instead of configure_networking
still would be interesting to see if you could override the configure_networking function, and then it would "just work" with all the other scripts.
I don't think so, because the scripts are exec'ed, not sourced...
well, you can turn them into something source-able.
it would require some re-writing, but that would seem a better way to integrate.
How would I do that, without modifying init?
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...unless I exported a whole function in the "return file" -- each initscript generates a file with variables to be returned, maybe I could misuse it to return a configure_networking function... :-/
Nah, that wouldn't work either
vagrantc, on another front, I'm trying to create a proper <chroot>/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf so that <chroot>/usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels would generate a pxelinux.cfg/default with a *menu* in it. I don't think I can do it with the currently supported variables... Could I try to come up with some suggestions on that?
...or, if a $PXELINUX_PREPEND_FILE was also defined, instead of hardcoding Default ltsp, I think that would also work.
i don't even use configure_networking in gentoo
i just rely on the actual init scripts
i hope to eventually be able to rely on the init scripts only..
with a few *hints* or whatever
How different are the (non-ltsp) initscripts of gentoo, compared to ubuntu?
|12:51||* alkisg has never seen init scrips from other distros|
much much much better..
altho perhaps not better than native upstart scripts
which aren't really used yet.
but they are much better than the compat style used up to this point
alkisg, they are dependency based.. so none of the rc*.d/ files
and you can set up profiles
I think ltsp can be booted with the "non-ltsp" ubuntu initscripts, i.e. without using the ltsp modifications. Lts.conf won't be downloaded from tftp, but other than that I think it boots...
shouldn't it be? that is done in the initramfs on ubuntu iirc
now.. on fedora and gentoo.. they wouldn't be
Yeah I mean that not much modifications are needed in the default ubuntu initramfs to be able to boot ltsp
no.. not the initramfs.. i'm just takling about the regular init system :)
so... will all that be replaced with dracut in the future?
i don't think ltsp will boot in any kind of decent way on ubuntu without the proper init scripts disabled.. as ltsp-setup overrides much of their functionaliyt
i dont' do as much with that on gentoo
i use less of the configure_* functions and let the actual init scripts do the work..
alkisg, init scirpts in gentoo and both provide functionality to override defaults and depend on other init scripts.. it's not based on sequential numbering
the K* and S* scripts in /etc/rc?.d that is
OK I used the wrong terminology before, now I get what you mean. I was refering to the initramfs scripts as "init scripts"
i plan on using dracut on gentoo for the initramfs
i just wish the gentoo project on the whole would adopt dracut instead of the genkernel initramfs creator..
Is it ready for adoption yet? Or is it too early?
for what to adopt what?
Dracut, to be adopted e.g. in gentoo
Is it ready, or does it lack necessary functions?
dracut is already used in fedora 12
Ooooh :) /me googles...
i'm using fedora 12 alpha right now
it needs a few modifications to work properly in gentoo, but some are are already done
"With Dracut, the initramfs has one purpose in life - getting the rootfs mounted so that we can transition to the real rootfs." - nice, sounds focused :)
alkisg, if only it was that easy :)
alkisg, it has stuff for nfs, nbd, fibrechannel, iscsi, aoe, etc..
aoe, lvm, iscsi, nbd... yeah I understand :)
i wanna find a way to make it not try to unlock mounted /home until gdm
my /home is encrypted
i'd like to find a way to delay the unencryption until i try to login
perhaps i need to encrypt /home/johnny and not /home
I think I lost you there. Dracut bothers to unencrypt your /home? Isn't that an init script task?
if your root is encrypted.. you must do it there
I understand the need to unencrypt /, but why /home?
probably overzealous regex or something
plus stuff like /usr might need to be done there
i think it might require too much special casing
It does sound like it could be something cross-distro, though, so it would have much people for testing it
well.. it would be nice if somebody other than fedora adopted it :)
in gentoo.. it is just another option.. as we don't really have a default other than genkernel.. which many people don't even use
I saw warren is in the dracut, and I followed the link to his cv... "founded the original Fedora Project" ??? Wow!!!
he sure did
warren is everywhere
|13:24||* alkisg just saw that the netbooks to be offered to all 12 y.o. Greek students are actually dual boot (windows/edubuntu 9.04)! Woot!|
alkisg i'm still waiting for arm netbook..
gimme a netbook with no optical drive and an arm chip :)
i know tvs are starting to come out that are LED not LCD
i wonder what the power usage of an led display would be
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johnny makes alkisg google too much :-/
|13:26||* alkisg looks for LED Tvs... :P :D|
the only selling point on the commercial is "deeper blacks" and being THX certified
alkisg: will default to a menu
alkisg: you could also use vesamenu
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|13:32||* vagrantc hasn't been able to update dracut git repo in a while|
vagrantc, re clone
after that it worked for me
johnny: same problem.
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johnny: what git URL you using?
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too many dracuts in there..
that seems better.
the /topic of #dracut still has the old location
vagrantc: Works like a charm!!! :P :D Merci!!!! (I thought that it wouldn't accept the TITLE at the end of the file, but it does)
In the chroot, root's $HOME is set to /root in /etc/passwd; but $HOME isn't set for the root that's on the client console (Ctrl-Alt-F2); why is that?
petre: did you login, or just used SCREEN_02=shell ?
petre: I think that bypasses the normal login process, so /etc/profile isn't sourced, and other things like HOME aren't set...
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I'd like to known where I can find reviews, scientific researches, any kind of performance analysis, all about LTSP???
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i am looking for a site with ltsp analysis.....
for scientific research
Pulga: the only scientific paper *I*'ve seen concerning ltsp is an environmental analysis: http://it.umsicht.fraunhofer.de/TCecology/docs/TCecology2008_en.pdf
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audio on ltsp clients is very choppy, running ubuntu
cpu and memory aren't being maxed, network is running great, any other ideas?
have any of you did this on your ltsp server
sudo adduser $USER pulse-rt
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yay! ltsp-docs made it into debian!
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