IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 19 February 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:00 | <sbalneav> Well, I've got a vm running lightdm + libpam-sshauth. I've got it to auth, but can't seem to get it to move out of the auth phase and into session.
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| 01:14 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 02:22 | <Enslaver> Hmm, I'm thinking this 4.7gb compile isn't going to fit on my raspberry pi
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| 07:52 | <ltspuser_79> hi
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| 07:53 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 07:53 | <ltspuser_79> this is lalit from India
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| 07:53 | i am looking forward for implementation of terminal server on linux platform
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| 07:53 | can u plz help me in resolving my few queries?
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| 07:53 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 07:53 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 07:54 | <ltspuser_79> is LTSP supported on Oracle Enterprise Linux?
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| 07:55 | <knipwim> ltspuser_79: it's in the making, at least Redhat support
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| 09:05 | <meamy> Good Morning! Is LDM capable of unlocking the gnome-keyring at login ? using a gnome3 fatclient over here, the normal way would be to add 2 lines under /etc/pam.d/ldm but this file does not exist
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| 09:07 | <Hyperbyte> Morning. :)
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| 09:23 | <vnc786> what are the options to control remotely fat clients from server like xrdp, ssh etc can some guide me on this ...!!
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| 09:25 | ltsp: Hyperbyte: muppis: hello everyone...
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| 09:25 | <alkisg> !epoptes
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| 09:25 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 09:26 | <Hyperbyte> vnc786, basically, anything that can remote control Linux will work for your fat clients. xrdp, ssh, vnc, freenx, et cetera, et cetera.... you probably want epoptes though. :)
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| 09:26 | Morning Alkis. :)
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| 09:26 | <alkisg> Heya Hyperbyte
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| 09:26 | meamy: no it's not capable to unlock the keyring
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| 09:27 | <vnc786> i missed alkisg: name :)
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> meamy: One of the many many reasons we want to switch to lightdm
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| 09:27 | vnc786: in general, it's not polite to write the names of people here that haven't already replied to you, because you might distract them from their work
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| 09:28 | After they reply to you, it's ok (and suggested) to use their names
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| 09:31 | <meamy> alkisg: arg ok thats a pity thanks
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| 09:36 | <vnc786> i am using ubuntu 12.04 64 bit for fat clients and its working fine h/w spec for fat client 4gb RAM amd dual core but when i do normal browsing or use thunder bird client it makes me feel it is little slow i dont know it prevails with everyone
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| 09:38 | how do i check/tweak performance for fat clients...FYI i haven't define swap will that make difference(normally 4gb is not fully utilized)
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| 09:44 | <Hyperbyte> vnc786, fat clients should perform same as regular local Linux installs. Firefox and Thunderbird are generally speaking huge resource hogs. Check what they're doing to your cpu/ram.
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| 09:48 | <vnc786> CPU RAM normal means RAM free 3GB & cpu 0.29 avg...
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| 09:49 | <Hyperbyte> vnc786, bandwith/disk usage?
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| 09:50 | <vnc786> Hyperbyte: basically user profile is very new so there is no lot of mails or any application usage ...i keep eye on top which is always okay
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| 09:50 | i am having 1gig card ? i checked with iptraf
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| 09:54 | on server i m using onboard(100m/s) and LAN card (1000 m/s) but the images are going thru LAN card will this be factor
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| 10:19 | <vnc786> is there minimal gnome like which i can use for my current gnome which will take less graphics
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| 10:21 | currently trying gnome-core in virtual machine..
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| 10:33 | <Hyperbyte> vnc786, gnome-session-fallback
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| 10:34 | But you could also switch to a lighter window manager, like lxde
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| 10:34 | I'm not sure if your problem is the window manager though. Firefox and Thunderbird are insanely bloated.
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| 10:36 | On my terminal server there are eight instances of Firefox running currently, each using about 20% CPU power and around 1 GB of memory
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| 10:48 | <vnc786> Hyperbyte: will work on lxde just to know : what u r using window manager ?
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| 10:52 | <Hyperbyte> Gnome session fallback, but I'm using thin clients. Not sure if I'd make the same choice for fat clients.
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| 10:55 | <vnc786> i m using default gnome of ubuntu 12.04 i havent customized because user are used-to gnome look ...any way will work on that will let u know the result by the way
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| 10:56 | can u tell how do i take ssh of fat clients ??there is some thing to do with lts.conf file ...
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| 11:01 | <Hyperbyte> vnc786, I don't understand the question.
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| 11:04 | <vnc786> i want to ssh my remote fat clients since i know ip of that machine ?
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| 11:04 | from my server
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| 11:12 | <Hyperbyte> vnc786, you'll have to enable ssh on the client just like you would on any other Linux machine.
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| 11:15 | <vnc786> do u mean in chroot ?
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| 11:16 | if i am not wrong than i have install openssh pacakage in chroot because i checked in chroot there is not ssh in /etc/init.d/
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES=ssh in lts.conf
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| 11:19 | <vnc786> so no need to install openssh pacakage in chroot ?
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> You need to, yeah
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| 11:24 | <vnc786> just curiosity is it compulsory to put KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES=ssh in lts.conf will it not work with it ...
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| 12:28 | <Hyperbyte> vnc786, you are using ltsp-pnp?
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| 12:44 | <vnc786> no
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| 12:50 | <Hyperbyte> vnc786, then just enable sshd like you would on any other Linux machine.
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| 12:52 | <vnc786> okay doing now ...
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> !is-the-server-down?
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| 12:54 | <ltsp> Error: "is-the-server-down?" is not a valid command.
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| 13:04 | <Hyperbyte> !which-server?
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| 13:04 | <ltsp> Error: "which-server?" is not a valid command.
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> .nah-never-mind-its-my-wifi-acting-up :)
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| 13:07 | <ltspuser_31> Hi alkisg
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| 13:07 | I need to ask you one question
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> Hello to you too
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| 13:08 | <ltspuser_31> It's possible, after the terminal boots, change the lts.conf and renew all the screens?
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| 13:08 | Without rebooting the terminal?
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> !learn ltspuser as it's better to type "/j some_nick_name" to set your own nickname, so that people here remember what you've already talked about. Use something a bit unique, e.g. john would be reserved, john123 probably wouldn't
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| 13:10 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> Also, it's better to ask in the channel than asking specific persons here, unless they know you
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| 13:11 | <ltspuser_31> yes I know
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> Me too :)
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> But I don't know anyone named ltspuser_31...
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| 13:12 | <ltspuser_31> I've tried asking this question earlier but no one knows
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| 13:13 | <ogra_> why isnt the web client demanding proper nicknames ?
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| 13:14 | <ltspuser_31> I am trying to change my nickname but it's not working
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| 13:14 | <ogra_> would make it a lot better to interact with people instead of having faceless ltspuser_# thingies
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> !forget ltspuser
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| 13:14 | <ltsp> Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> !ltspuser
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| 13:14 | <ltsp> ltspuser: (#1) If you're planning to join this IRC channel via web multiple times, it might be a good idea to set some username by typing e.g. "/nick john123", so that channel members can identify you and remember your use case / previous questions etc, or (#2) it's better to type "/j some_nick_name" to set your own nickname, so that people here remember what you've already talked about. Use something a bit unique, e.g. (1 more message)
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> !forget ltspuser 2
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| 13:14 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> !ltspuser
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| 13:14 | <ltsp> ltspuser: If you're planning to join this IRC channel via web multiple times, it might be a good idea to set some username by typing e.g. "/nick john123", so that channel members can identify you and remember your use case / previous questions etc
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| 13:15 | <lmartins> ok
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| 13:15 | I have changed...
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| 13:15 | can you tell me if it's possible to do what I asked?
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> Are you the one trying to connect to a different LDM_SERVER each time?
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| 13:16 | <lmartins> yes
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> OK, as I said the first time...
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| 13:16 | You're trying to do it the wrong way
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| 13:16 | There's no need to reload lts.conf
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| 13:17 | If you specify LDM_SERVER=ldm_server in lts.conf,
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| 13:17 | then you can set an entry for ldm_server in /etc/hosts on the client
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| 13:17 | And change the IP for that entry upon login
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| 13:17 | You can do that with a "pressh" LDM rc.d script
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| 13:17 | At that point you know the LDM_USERNAME of the user trying to connect
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| 13:18 | So you just need a tiny script to select the correct server and write it to the client /etc/hosts as ldm_server
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| 13:18 | OK?
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| 13:18 | <lmartins> ok
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| 13:18 | thank you
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/P*
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| 13:18 | <lmartins> I will try to do that
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> There will the script go
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| 13:19 | <lmartins> ok
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| 13:19 | ;)
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| 13:19 | thks
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 13:21 | <lmartins> sorry for the questions...
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| 13:21 | but to know the username I need to put some script asking the username...
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| 13:22 | if I put that on pressh script it works?
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> lmartins: the "ldm greeter" gets the username
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| 13:22 | <meamy> !dev
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| 13:22 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'dev', but I do know about these similar topics: 'localdev', 'RDP-localdev', 'LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround', 'ltsp-developer'
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> And it's automatically available to pressh scripts as LDM_USERNAME
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| 13:23 | So try: "echo $LDM_USERNAME > /tmp/output" ==> you'll see the username is already there
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| 13:23 | The LDM greeter is the Username/Password prompt that LTSP clients usually have
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| 13:23 | <lmartins> I understand that
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| 13:23 | but if I have only a rdesktop session?
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| 13:24 | <lmartins> I want to have a scenario where I can have a session per user and not per terminal
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> lmartins: you just select the rdesktop backend in LDM
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| 13:25 | No difference between linux or rdesktop sessions, they both use the same user interface for the username/password
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| 13:25 | <lmartins> and I need to provide the user to one server that is doing server balancing and this server is the one that provides the Linux or Windows IP
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| 13:26 | do you have any chroot with this feature working??
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| 13:26 | if you can provide so I can see what I need to do...
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> I'm not using rdesktop nor load balancing, no. But it's just a matter of using a small script.
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| 13:27 | rdesktop via LDM is supported out of the box without scripts
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| 13:27 | The script will only be for selecting server per user.
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| 13:28 | <lmartins> yes but when I turn on the terminal I don't know wich user is going to work there
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| 13:28 | like a school
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| 13:28 | <lmartins> we can have a virtual machine for each student
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| 13:28 | <alkisg> Yes, I understand
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| 13:28 | LDM will be the one that gets the username/password
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| 13:28 | THEN you'll decide what to run, rdesktop or ltsp, and to what server to connet
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| 13:28 | *connect
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| 13:29 | So all students, teachers, stuff, whatever, will use LDM, no matter if they see rdesktop/VM/linux/vnc/nx/whatever after that
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| 13:29 | <lmartins> and the student only need to turn on the monitor, put a pen with user credentions or write his username and with that the session starts...
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> RIght
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| 13:29 | <lmartins> yes
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> Indeed :)
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| 13:31 | <lmartins> ok
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| 13:31 | I will try this solution...
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| 13:31 | thank you
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| 13:42 | <meamy> mm is there somewhere a documentation how i can build my own customized ltsp packages out of a ppa (lets say i fork with bzr and want to build my own packages)
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| 13:51 | <meamy> or how can i build my own ltsp-client-core.deb ?
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| 13:56 | <knipwim> you want to change something in the ltsp-client code itself? or add custom config files?
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| 13:59 | <meamy> i want to change some of the scripts and also add some, of course i could do this by hand but i would prefer to fork the ltsp sources add my scriptes and changes and build then the packages that get installed
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| 14:00 | <Hyperbyte> meamy, are you changing the C code, or just the shell scripts?
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| 14:00 | <meamy> Hyperbyte: just the shell scripts
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| 14:01 | <Hyperbyte> In that case, since those are plaintext and not compiled inside the .deb, you could just create a patchfile as well
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| 14:01 | Would be much easier I think.
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| 14:01 | Not sure how difficult it is to built .deb's.
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| 14:02 | <knipwim> meamy: or if the scripts are generally usefull, they can be included upstream
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| 14:03 | <meamy> Hyperbyte: jep im doing this at the moment (patches)
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| 14:04 | knipwim: fore some maybe but some are just coustomer specific
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| 14:10 | <meamy> but for the hole patch think its more like a hack. And to have one package that would autoinstalled with all the specific changes would be just fine (also it would be possible to merge ppa's and so on ) So for me it would be cool to get a idea of how the .debs are bulid out off the ppa's
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| 14:13 | <knipwim> try google :)
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| 14:13 | <meamy> Hyperbyte: bulid debs is not such a big thing (more or less a deb is just an archive ) but to do this the "offical" way without knowing the setup that it used is a bit harder
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| 14:16 | <meamy> knipwim: did that again build just some deps ist not the case. but for example the whole ldm part of the ltsp-client-core.deb is in a different ppa. I guess there is some where a script witch does that. i would love to get this script
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| 14:25 | <knipwim> is ldm also packaged in ltsp-client-core?
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| 14:26 | weird
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| 14:26 | <meamy> knipwim: some of the scripts in /usr/share/ldm
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| 14:29 | <knipwim> on gentoo you would patch the sources in the package
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| 14:29 | that or create a separate branch and make a package for that
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| 14:30 | <Hyperbyte> meamy, I don't see why you would consider a patch file to be a "hack"
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| 14:31 | Deliver it with a nice .sh script that the user can run, where it says "You are running LTSP version X, this patch file will do Y, continue Y/N?"
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| 14:31 | Et voila.
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| 14:34 | <meamy> Hyperbyte: the question is more how this will be maintained and how the patches are copied to the machines (wget in case of a ppa not so nice) apt is doing all this so there is no need reinvent the wheel
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| 14:46 | <meamy> stgraber: Hi since you uploaded the the packages to the Ubuntu ppa maybe you can point me to a nice HOWTO or a script witch does the debpackages build for ltsp-client-core out of the ppa's ? thanks
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| 15:08 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 15:08 | jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 15:08 | <jammcq> Scotty !!
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| 15:08 | how's it going buddy?
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> Not too bad. Slow but sure.
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| 18:36 | <lmartins> Hi
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| 18:36 | it's possible to make a live usb pen with a chroot of ubuntu 12.04?
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| 18:38 | <jammcq> that's not ltsp. that's just Ubuntu live on a usb stick
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| 18:38 | <lmartins> yes...
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| 18:38 | I know...
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| 18:38 | but I want to use the chroot and the lts.conf
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| 18:39 | <jammcq> ltsp doesn't support that
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| 18:39 | <lmartins> it's possible?
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| 18:39 | ok
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| 18:40 | but it's not possible to have a live usb pen with the chroot and lts.conf and then I would change lts.conf on the image
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| 18:40 | ?
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| 18:40 | <jammcq> ltsp expects to be booted via the network
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| 18:41 | certainly it could be hacked to do other things, but that's not what it's intended to do
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| 18:41 | <lmartins> yes but I have a scenario with low bandwith
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| 18:41 | and I need to have the chroot local
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| 18:41 | any idea to do that??
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| 18:42 | I know that it's not supported by ltsp
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| 18:48 | * ogra_ remembers Gadi did such a thing once | |
| 18:49 | <ogra_> but he's not around much anymore
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| 18:50 | <jammcq> he grew up and got a real job
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| 18:50 | <ogra_> heh
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| 18:51 | you mean he cant hang out with the jobless kids anymore ?
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| 18:52 | <jammcq> yeah, he did join us at bts last year
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| 18:52 | told us all about how much he doesn't like his new job
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| 18:52 | <ogra_> :(
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| 18:53 | <jammcq> ogra_: btw, you should plan on joining us for bts. it's our 10th anniversary
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| 18:53 | <ogra_> i'll try ...
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| 18:54 | <jammcq> where's the next UDS ?
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| 18:54 | <ogra_> supposed to be in oakland
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| 18:54 | CA
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| 18:54 | <jammcq> ah, so in the fall, it prolly won't be in the US
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| 18:54 | <ogra_> right
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| 18:55 | we'll see though
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| 18:55 | i really want to come ... i dont like to skip more than 1 year
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| 18:55 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 18:55 | <ogra_> even if it wouldnt be the 10th
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| 18:55 | <jammcq> it's more fun when you are there
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| 18:55 | <ogra_> :)
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| 19:02 | <gvy> lmartins, if you're severely bw limited have a look at NX (freenx)
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| 19:03 | * gvy built a livecd with nxclient back then, it's not that hard in altlinux | |
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| 21:15 | <knipwim> is =~ bash specific?
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| 21:58 | <Enslaver> [15:56] <knipwim> [15:15:08] is =~ bash specific? --- No it works in tcsh also
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