IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 April 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <NefariousAryq> well crap. That was completely my misunderstanding then...
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| 00:03 | So running an application from a usb drive connected to the thin client isnt really what I wanna be doing at all, is it? :)
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| 00:03 | *laugh*
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| 00:03 | <vagrantc> it seems that way :)
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| 00:04 | <NefariousAryq> I misunderstood completely. I thought it would be mounting the drive locally, and hence, running the application from it would be *faster* than trying to run the application locally, from, say, an nfsmount.
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| 00:04 | <vagrantc> in many cases, your USB will likely be slower than your network card.
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| 00:06 | <NefariousAryq> Guess I need to play with firefox the other way, then. It ran, but it loaded terrible slowly... I was getting some sort of error, so maybe thats why. I guess I just need to play with it more. I feel like a total dunce now. :)
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| 00:06 | lol
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| 00:07 | Thanks for your patience, I appreciate it greatly.
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| 00:08 | The whole LTSP community rocks. LTSP is an awesome project.
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| 00:09 | <vagrantc> indeed. :)
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| 00:11 | <NefariousAryq> We use it with our Action Photography company. We have a big'ole honkin file server, and 18 HP t5300 clients with 15" flat screens... They run Firefox in a kiosk-type mode, connect to our proprietary "viewing" application (php/mysql based), and it lets our customers view the photos, and place their orders right there at our booth (or trailer, as it may be, if we are outside). It works fantastic for us.
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| 00:15 | <Sadap> im gonna install ltsp what disto is better?
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| 00:16 | <vagrantc> !bestltspdistro
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| 00:16 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
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| 00:16 | <NefariousAryq> hahah. ltspbot is smart :-D
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| 00:16 | <vagrantc> the ltspbot is wise.
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| 00:16 | Sadap: you're going to have to define "best"
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| 00:16 | <NefariousAryq> It really depends on your level of expertise, what you are wanting to use LTSP for, and many other things, Sadap. :)
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| 00:18 | hey vagrant, quick one for ya. If I wanna run stuff locally (from an nfsmount), but NOT from the local device... I can set LOCAL_STORAGE = N in lts.conf, but I need to leave LOCAL_APPS = Y, correct? Or can it also be set to N?
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| 00:20 | <Sadap> Thanks, i'm gonna use it in a school. in that school the students use Ubuntu, but have some old computers
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| 00:20 | <vagrantc> then ubuntu or edubuntu is likely going to be the best fit. it has decent ltsp5 integration.
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| 00:21 | or if the computers are really old, maybe xubuntu
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| 00:21 | decent integration meaning the first working implementation :)
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| 00:22 | <Sadap> ok I have a problem, when i create the client. with this command ltsp-build-client
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| 00:24 | the system try to make a link /dev/fd to /proc/self/.... ... because the link exist, some bady know somethig about this?
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| 00:25 | <vagrantc> i know ogra included patches to create those files temporarily for some reason ...
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| 00:26 | Sadap: what version of ubuntu ?
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| 00:26 | <Sadap> 6.10
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| 00:27 | <vagrantc> well, that makes it easy :)
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| 00:28 | except now i know there's an LTSP user somewhere, in need, unable to communicate ... *sigh*
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| 00:28 | <NefariousAryq> heh.
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| 00:36 | <Sadap> some body know something about this error?
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| 01:54 | <lzap> hello all
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| 01:54 | * lzap continues with installation of V5 on MDV 2006 | |
| 01:55 | <lzap> how does floppy work? how to notice the terminal that the flopy was inserted?
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| 02:13 | can I change the logo of UBUNTU in the LDM screen?
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| 02:13 | and add czech language?
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| 02:49 | <lzap> I have found ldm-themes but there is only some buttons and small ubuntu logo
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| 02:49 | not the big one ( ) UBUNTU
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| 02:54 | oh its there, black on black transparent background
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| 02:54 | great, and how to change the language?
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| 02:54 | Username: and Password:
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| 05:45 | <Jenna> anyone up ?
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| 05:45 | procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- -----cpu------
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| 05:45 | does this look good/okay ?
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| 06:46 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 06:57 | <Blueraid> what is the ParPort device in ltsp?
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| 06:57 | 4.2
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| 07:01 | in my lts.conf i've set /dev/lp for the printer, but when i start lp_server, then he stop the service ans say /dev/lp not found...
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| 07:02 | <ogra> its rather /dev/lp0 (in any linux ;) )
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| 07:06 | <Blueraid> ;-) oh year but why will start lp_server it at /dev/lp?
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| 07:06 | <ogra> because you gave it this device in your lts.conf i guess
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| 07:06 | lp_server doesnt start on its own
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| 07:07 | only if PRINTER_0_DEVICE is set to something
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| 07:07 | so just set it to /dev/lp0 ...
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| 07:07 | <jammcq_> ogra: !!!!
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| 07:07 | <Blueraid> in my lts.conf stay: /dev/lp0 !
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| 07:07 | <jammcq_> dude
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| 07:07 | <ogra> jammcq, !
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| 07:07 | whatsup ?
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| 07:08 | <jammcq_> ogra: i'm preparing my talk for later today. I'll mention TCM. Do you have any screenshots ?
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| 07:08 | <ogra> hmm, only from pre versions
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| 07:08 | <Blueraid> Oh - he Prints 8-)
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| 07:08 | <jammcq> well, that's better than what I have
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| 07:09 | ogra: also, is it TCM that will allow you to configure the terminals ?
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| 07:09 | I loaded it here, and it seems like it's only about monitoring running terminals
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| 07:09 | <ogra> no, TCM is the session controlling thing
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| 07:09 | <jammcq> what's the config tool ?
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| 07:09 | <ogra> ltsp-manager
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| 07:09 | but thats not done
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| 07:09 | <jammcq> bahhh, ok
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| 07:09 | couldn't remember
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| 07:10 | <ogra> else idt would have been renamed ;)
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| 07:10 | <jammcq> my talk is "LTSP - The road ahead"
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| 07:10 | <ogra> install ltsp-manager ...
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| 07:10 | <jammcq> I don't need to show things that are complete
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| 07:10 | <ogra> it looks nice ...
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| 07:10 | <jammcq> only things that we're projecting for the future
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| 07:10 | <ogra> but point the people to feisty+1
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| 07:10 | <jammcq> yes
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| 07:10 | definately
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| 07:10 | <ogra> the current ltsp-manager hads a fully functional gui ... just no backend
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| 07:10 | <jammcq> i'll talk about performance improvements that we plan on making
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| 07:10 | <ogra> so its great for presentations ;)
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| 07:11 | <jammcq> demos well :)
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| 07:11 | <ogra> sadly i had n spare time to make a package from the new ldm yet
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| 07:11 | else you could show that too
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| 07:11 | <jammcq> I'm not actually gonna boot a thin client. Probably the first talk I've ever given where I don't demo the thin client booting
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| 07:11 | <ogra> oh
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| 07:12 | why is that ?
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| 07:12 | <jammcq> cuz I don't feel like it
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| 07:12 | <ogra> ah
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| 07:13 | <jammcq> ogra: how do I run ltsp-manager?
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| 07:13 | <ogra> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=205
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| 07:14 | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=208
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| 07:14 | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=209
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| 07:14 | sudo ltsp-manager
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| 07:14 | should suffice after installing
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| 07:14 | <jammcq> tried that
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| 07:14 | <ogra> (i havent started it in feisty at all, i hope it works :P)
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| 07:14 | got an error ?
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| 07:15 | <jammcq> jam@biglap:~$ sudo ltsp-manager
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| 07:15 | Traceback (most recent call last):
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| 07:15 | File "/usr/bin/ltsp-manager", line 13, in <module>
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| 07:15 | import ltsp
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| 07:15 | ImportError: No module named ltsp
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| 07:15 | <ogra> argh
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| 07:15 | crap, seems i already uplaoded that stuff ....
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| 07:15 | install python-ltsp (should be a dependency)
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| 07:16 | <jammcq> hmm, more errors. could not find glad file './ltsp-manager.glade'
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| 07:17 | <ogra> http://ubuntu.interlegis.gov.br/archive/pool/universe/l/ltsp-manager/ltsp-manager_0.0.1-1_all.deb try that one
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| 07:18 | <jammcq> Error: A later version is already installed
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| 07:18 | <ogra> cd /usr/share/ltsp-manager && sudo ltsp-manager
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| 07:18 | ?
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| 07:19 | <jammcq> got it :)
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| 07:19 | <ogra> great
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| 07:19 | feisty was to make the ground for that ... python-ltsp it the key
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| 07:20 | <jammcq> holy crap this thing is cool
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| 07:20 | <ogra> feisty+1 will see the new gui then
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| 07:20 | well, its cool but non functional ;)
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| 07:20 | <jammcq> details details
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| 07:20 | <ogra> especially the dhcpd.conf stuff isnt solved yet
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| 07:20 | but i had a good idea actually today about it
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| 07:21 | since we exclusively use /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ... i'll just store md5sums of it ... so as soon as ltsp-manager detects the filewas edited manually it will refuse to touch it ...
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| 07:22 | indeed i will keep a "last known version" around so you can just revert to automatic mode :)
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| 07:22 | that was my biggest prob yet ...
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| 07:22 | <jammcq> yeah, and put a strong warning at the top of dhcpd.conf telling them they shouldn't be modifying the file unless they really know what they are doing
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| 07:22 | <ogra> you can just do to much random stuff in dhcpd.conf
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| 07:23 | all the conditionals a user could add ... if statements etc ... i cant match that all
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| 07:23 | so we'll have to go with a strictly defined set in dhcpd.conf ... (may grow over time )
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| 07:24 | <jammcq> good plan
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| 07:24 | <ogra> the gui should stay as is but get a tree on the left ...
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| 07:24 | if you have workstations runnig they will show up there
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| 07:25 | <jammcq> is "ltsp-manager" and "tcm" going to merge ?
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| 07:25 | <ogra> i want to merge the python backends
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| 07:25 | TCM brings python-tcm
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| 07:25 | with all functions you need for session management
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| 07:26 | i want to kepp the guis distinct, i dont want a teacher to be able to admin the ltsp server ;)
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| 07:26 | <jammcq> ah, good point
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| 07:26 | <ogra> but through python-ltsp (if both are merged) you will easily be able to write joint apps
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| 07:27 | or web interfaces in zope :)
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| 07:27 | or QT guis :)
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| 07:28 | i also talked to Riddell ... for feisty+1 we'll probably get a kubuntu greeter for ldm as well ...
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| 07:28 | in pyqt
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| 07:29 | <jammcq> wow
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| 07:29 | <ogra> so we'll make the kde ppl happy :)
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| 07:33 | meh ... we got one bug in feisty ltsp :(
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| 07:33 | <jammcq> only 1 ?
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| 07:34 | <ogra> well, one that i find annoying enough to fix in feisty-updates
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| 07:34 | the ltsp-sound script sets the alsa emulation layer for pulseaudio at login if you are on a thin client
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| 07:35 | i forgot to add something to switch it back if you log in on the server directly afterwards ...
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| 07:36 | if pulse isnt installed gnome-session will try to write to the emulated alsa device and just hangs if there is nothing behind it
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| 07:36 | generally pulse isnt installed on the server :/
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| 07:36 | gah, how could i miss that
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| 07:48 | <ogra> jammcq, btw, we have a SoC project for a TCM web frontend ...
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| 07:48 | (i wasnt after it, but it was selected by the mentors)
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| 07:48 | <jammcq> wow, cool
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| 07:49 | <ogra> something you can mention ;)
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| 08:23 | <jammcq> ogra: is release date for feisty still next week ?
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| 08:24 | <ogra> not sure ...
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| 08:24 | <jammcq> I heard there were some "issues"
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| 08:24 | <ogra> a delay was announced, but the bugs are shaken out now
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| 08:24 | <jammcq> all fixed?
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| 08:24 | <ogra> yeah, someide controller glitches and network-manager evilness
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| 08:24 | <jammcq> coolio
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| 08:24 | <ogra> s/soemide/some IDE/
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| 08:25 | but it looks like we'll have RC only on monday not sure ... the linux package was just uploaded 10 mins ago ...
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| 08:25 | it will take some hours to build all arches ...
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| 08:26 | <jammcq> I'll just say "Tentatively Next Week" during my talk
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| 08:30 | <ogra> it could turn into a week more
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| 08:34 | <ogra> 19th was ETA
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| 08:37 | <greg_g> that sucks (re: the "issues")
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:39 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:39 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra!!!
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| 08:39 | How's things going?
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| 08:39 | <ogra> boring ...
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> Boring?
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| 08:39 | No bugs?
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| 08:40 | <ogra> archive is frozen ... everybody is waiting for new CDs to test
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| 08:40 | <sbalneav> No last minute panic
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| 08:40 | <ogra> last night ...
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| 08:40 | its over now ....
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| 08:40 | <sbalneav> Good news
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| 08:40 | <ogra> we'll probably delay by some days
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| 08:40 | <sbalneav> Now we start all over again for Gutsy :)
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| 08:40 | <ogra> since we couldt get the RC out yesterday
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| 08:41 | *couldn't
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| 08:41 | <sbalneav> Talking to lots of people here in Brazil
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| 08:41 | LOTS of edubuntu deployment
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| 08:41 | As well, people from Venezuela and Argentina as well.
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| 08:42 | <cliebow_> must be Someone important missing 8~)
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| 08:42 | <ogra> yay
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> Hey, quick questions for slides
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> !s
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| 08:42 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> is it Otavio or Octavio who's on the Debian side?
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| 08:42 | hey jammcq
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| 08:43 | <ogra> otavio i think
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> k
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| 08:45 | <ogra> sbalneav, if you talk about edubuntu, mention that we have portuguese by default on the cd now ;)
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| 08:45 | (in feisty)
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> Yes!
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| 08:46 | I have
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| 08:46 | <ogra> cool !
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> I'll mention it in my talk tomorrow as an aside, too.
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| 08:48 | <ogra> its not pt_BR toguht ... thats on the addin CD ... but it should make installing in pt possible at least
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| 08:48 | *addon
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| 08:48 | needed to decide for the most common subset sadly ...
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 08:49 | <ogra> ship: * Languages: es xh pt de fr ca cs el
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| 08:49 | thats what we have on the first CD now ...
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| 08:49 | and all other available langs are on the addon CD
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> I'll mention the two cd thing.
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| 08:50 | <ogra> good
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> Are there going to be feisty cd's available?
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| 08:50 | <ogra> i'll probably let the first edubuntu CD dies at some oint
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| 08:50 | *die
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| 08:50 | since it seems we're panning a ubuntu thin client server CD ... so edubuntu can switch to be an addon to this
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| 08:50 | *planning
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> ah, so just use standard ubuntu, and have the edubuntu be a sole addon cd?
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| 08:51 | That's an excellent idea.
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| 08:51 | <ogra> well, have an ubuntu CD that does the same as the current first edubuntu CD
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> right, except for the art
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| 08:51 | <ogra> and move all remaining pieces of edubuntu to the addon
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| 08:51 | no, also the art
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| 08:52 | the edubuntu-artwork stuff can be on the addon as well
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| 08:52 | we'll see
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> right, so move the edubuntu art + themes to the addon.
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| 08:52 | <ogra> i'm ambivalent yet
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> That makes a HUGE amount of sense too me.
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| 08:52 | <ogra> it would mean giving up edubuntu as standalone product
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| 08:53 | i'm not sure thats good from a PR perspective
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> Wouldn't it mean a lot less work for you though? More time to devote to just TC, and the edu bits?
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| 08:53 | <ogra> indeed it would
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> That's a huge win.
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| 08:53 | <ogra> but n the other hand i hope to have a colleague in the edubuntu team after sevilla ;)
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> cool
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| 08:54 | <ogra> so the load will drop a lot for me
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> Happy with the handbook?
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| 08:59 | <ogra> yeah, totally
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| 08:59 | tanks a lot !
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> good
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| 09:02 | <ogra> and planes a lot ...
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| 09:02 | and ships a lot :P
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 09:10 | <cliebow_> apt-get install tanks
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| 09:10 | apt-get install h
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| 09:36 | <antgel> hi all, my ltsp5 server is running pretty well. what i want to do, is to be able to access it remotely, over ssl or ipsec, but let's assume i want to do it over my lan for now to keep it simple.
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| 09:36 | sort of like ltsp without the network boot and nfs :)
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| 09:37 | like vnc without the restriction on desktop size that a vnc server provides
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| 09:39 | <Blinny> antgel: Do you know much about FreeNX?
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| 09:39 | <antgel> Blinny: only if nothing = much :)
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| 09:39 | but i can look it up
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| 09:39 | <Blinny> antgel: It's vastly superior to VNC for most applications.
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| 09:40 | For general info, check out http://freenx.berlios.de/
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| 09:40 | <ogra> ltsp5 - nfs - dhcp - tftp = ssh
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| 09:40 | sounds you just want a ssh server
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| 09:40 | *sounds like
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| 09:40 | <ogra> at keast thats whats you have left after removing the other service
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| 09:40 | *least
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| 09:40 | <antgel> Blinny: i will do, but is it applicable to this exact scenario?
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| 09:41 | <Blinny> antgel: Your description is a tad vague. Is Ogra's description more accurate?
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| 09:41 | <antgel> ogra: hmm, perhaps i can't see the forest for the trees
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| 09:41 | i'll try again
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| 09:41 | <ogra> NX is only a compressed for of ssh X connection, so it sounds like that is waht you look for
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| 09:41 | *form
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| 09:42 | <antgel> i have an ltsp server. but i'd like to be able to access an ltsp desktop (ldm onwards) without having to network-boot - i.e. from a thick workstation
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| 09:42 | so i'm doing my thing on the thick box, then i do something magical :) and i'm presented with an ldm login screen
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| 09:43 | preferably one that detects my screen size
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| 09:43 | <ogra> you want a local ldm on a normal system, i get it ...
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| 09:43 | thats not possible yet ..
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| 09:43 | but an NX client will provide the same functionallity
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| 09:43 | <Blinny> Sorry for leading astray.
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| 09:44 | <antgel> well, i say ldm, it could be anything that lets me login to the ltsp server desktop
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| 09:44 | <Blinny> antgel: What distro?
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| 09:44 | <ogra> any ssh client then :)
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| 09:44 | <antgel> debian
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| 09:45 | <ogra> you can try to run ldm standalone but that will need some code fiddling
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| 09:45 | <antgel> ogra: what, run my display manager over ssh?
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| 09:45 | <ogra> ldm is only an ssh client
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| 09:45 | nothing more
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| 09:45 | <vagrantc> well, a wrapper around ssh
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| 09:45 | <ogra> right
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| 09:45 | <antgel> so what does ldm do after login, just starts the xsession?
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| 09:46 | <ogra> no
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| 09:46 | it starts after X is up
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| 09:46 | ltsp-client starts the X session ...
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| 09:46 | <antgel> so ldm starts the wm?
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| 09:46 | <ogra> ten it checks for SCREEN_** variables ... if none is set it starts ldm on the screen
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| 09:46 | thats it ...
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| 09:47 | everything else after login is a normal ssh session on the server
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| 09:47 | <vagrantc> well, /etc/X11/Xsession is actually started by ldm ...
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| 09:47 | <antgel> ogra: so something like ssh -e 'wmaker' -X someserver might do what i want?
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| 09:47 | <ogra> well, indeed :)
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| 09:47 | that would start wmaker ... yes
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| 09:47 | * vagrantc just wanted to clarify the what was mean by "session" | |
| 09:47 | <ogra> as vagrantc said .
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| 09:48 | ssh -e '/etc/X11/Xsession' -X someserver
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| 09:48 | that would be the equivalent to ldm ...
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| 09:49 | <vagrantc> antgel: you probably want to stick with Xsession, as it handles some common session things that wouldn't be handled by calling the window manager directly
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| 09:49 | <antgel> i don't doubt that :)
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| 09:49 | <vagrantc> though that will basically work
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| 09:50 | antgel: what are you wanting to do ... i just got here part-way through the conversation
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| 09:50 | <antgel> of course, as ssh is used, no need for me to muck about with stunnel, which is a good thing
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| 09:50 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 09:50 | <antgel> vagrantc: i'll do a paste
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| 09:51 | i have an ltsp server. but i'd like to be able to access an ltsp desktop (ldm onwards) without having to network-boot - i.e. from a thick workstation so i'm doing my thing on the thick box, then i do something magical :) and i'm presented with an ldm login screen, preferably one that detects my screen size
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| 09:51 | <vagrantc> and do you have a window manager running on the thick workstation?
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| 09:51 | <ogra> vagrantc, seen that ? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/feisty-ltsp/changes
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| 09:51 | <paavum> Hello
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| 09:51 | <ogra> LP has a browse mode for code :)
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| 09:51 | <vagrantc> ogra: nice :)
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| 09:52 | <antgel> vagrantc: yep, but could live without it - not as good for less technical users
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| 09:52 | * ogra needs to get one of the cats to the vet ... back in 1-2h | |
| 09:52 | <paavum> vagrantc ... got time? ;)
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| 09:53 | <vagrantc> antgel: ok. it's just that you can only run one window manager at a time, unless you play with a nested x server or something like that
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| 09:53 | paavum: ok, so, where were we?
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| 09:53 | <paavum> Ok, I have the debian tarball untared and placed in its proper place
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| 09:54 | <paavum> and I'm downloading the program I want to run local
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| 09:54 | (debian us main mirror is having troubles for me)
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| 09:54 | <antgel> vagrantc: yes, but one of the window managers is running on the ltsp server, and one is local on my thick workstation. what did i miss?
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| 09:56 | <paavum> vagrantc,... what now?
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| 09:56 | * antgel notes that -e is pseudo-syntax | |
| 09:57 | <greg_g> vagrantc: working double/triple/quad duty it seems... you seem to be a great help to this community, thanks
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| 10:05 | <paavum> Hello... I'm trying to get localapps running on ltsp5
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| 10:05 | <vagrantc> antgel: if you're running one on the ltsp server, and one running locally, it's not going to work.
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| 10:05 | <paavum> can anybody help me out a bit? thnx
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> antgel: because "ssh -X server windowmanager" will try to run a window manager and fail, because one is already running locally.
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| 10:06 | <antgel> vagrantc: indeed, i tried it :) i'm looking at xephyr and xnest. in order to get going quickly, is there any solution that i can run from the console, forgettiong about my local x server for the minute? obviously ssh -X won't work from console
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> antgel: ldm or sdm would be the simplest way to go ...
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| 10:07 | <vagrantc> paavum: are you still having troubles with the mirror ?
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| 10:07 | <antgel> vagrantc: i mentioned that ^^ but ogra doesn't think it'll work at present
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| 10:07 | <paavum> vagrantc ... it seems when I chroot to the debian dir
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| 10:07 | I dont have network access
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| 10:07 | ie I do ifconfig and I get this msg:
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| 10:08 | <vagrantc> antgel: i think ogra makes it out to be more difficult than it is
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| 10:08 | <paavum> ltsp2:/# ifconfig
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| 10:08 | Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output.
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| 10:08 | <vagrantc> antgel: you just have to set some environment variables before you run LDM
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| 10:08 | antgel: or configure sdm ...
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| 10:08 | <antgel> vagrantc: they are both debian packages, i could have a go - just start an x server on :1 with ldm as the wm
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| 10:08 | <vagrantc> antgel: no
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| 10:09 | antgel: just start LDM from the commandline ...
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| 10:09 | <antgel> this i must see
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| 10:09 | <vagrantc> antgel: like this... SERVER=ip.address.of.server ldm
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| 10:10 | i *think* that should work.
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| 10:10 | paavum: what happens when you try to run apt-get ?
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| 10:10 | <paavum> seems like it wont resolve the domain name
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> what's the error message
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| 10:11 | ?
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| 10:11 | <paavum> Err http://http.us.debian.org etch/main libasound2 1.0.13-1
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| 10:11 | Temporary failure resolving 'http.us.debian.org'
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 10:12 | paavum: you probably have jammcq's resolv.conf entries
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| 10:12 | paavum: cp -b /etc/resolv.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/resolv.conf
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| 10:17 | <vagrantc> antgel: you might need to specify a vt or something ...
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| 10:18 | <antgel> vagrantc: i'm wrestling with that now. just noticed that the switch in the bottom left runs halt, not just kills ldm
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| 10:18 | <vagrantc> antgel: oh, yeah.
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| 10:18 | actually, it just powers off, doesn't it?
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| 10:19 | <antgel> the ldm login screen came up, there was something in the log about can't access /dev/tty so i'm guessing my command-line options were wrong
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| 10:19 | <vagrantc> i.e. not clean shutdown
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| 10:19 | <antgel> vagrantc: yep. :D
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| 10:19 | <vagrantc> the assumption was a read-only root filesystem...
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| 10:19 | <antgel> vagrantc: the feature request is forming in my mind
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| 10:20 | <vagrantc> antgel: what was the commandline you ran?
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| 10:20 | * vagrantc forsees LDM_SHUTDOWN_CMD or some such. | |
| 10:21 | <antgel> SERVER=whatever ldm vt1 :0, now trying vt8 :1, same crap
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| 10:21 | "no credentials cache found"
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| 10:22 | <vagrantc> hmmm...
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| 10:22 | <antgel> hold on - i'm running ldm as root, but root here doesn't have the ssh key for root on the ltsp server
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> ah, yes. that'll be needed.
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| 10:23 | <antgel> later i get read_passphrase: can't open /dev/tty
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> ah, yes.
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| 10:23 | <antgel> can i pass it as an environment variable?
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| 10:24 | <vagrantc> that's because ssh is very fussy about where it asks for passwords
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| 10:24 | <antgel> or i could setup root's .ssh/config
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| 10:24 | <vagrantc> somehow, you have to run it without a tty
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| 10:24 | no, that won't help any
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| 10:24 | you could run it with daemon ... that'll work, i think.
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| 10:25 | <paavum> vagrantc :( just did the cp, and no luck
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| 10:25 | <antgel> surely if it has a key pointed to in config, it won't bother trying for a password
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| 10:25 | <vagrantc> antgel: oh, i thought you meant a host key ...
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| 10:25 | yeah, you could set up a passwordless ssh key ...
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| 10:26 | maybe
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| 10:26 | maybe you're better off with sdm in this case.
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| 10:26 | * vagrantc has been meaning to rewrite sdm one of these days | |
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| 10:28 | <antgel> vagrantc: this is looking much more promising
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| 10:29 | my desktop on the test server is gnome, so rather slow to get going
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| 10:39 | <sadap> somebody speak spanish.?
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| 10:40 | <antgel> vagrantc: the concept works, however i feel that over this 8/0.8Mbit adsl link, it's not to be encouraged :)
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| 10:41 | i wish vnc servers didn't have a fixed resolution - i'm going to check out freenx
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> sadap: un poco
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| 10:48 | antgel: ah, yes. dsl will be ugly.
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| 10:48 | sadap: que necesita ?
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| 10:49 | <ogra> use freenx with dsl ...
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| 10:49 | it shuld be fine
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> is there a GPL'ed NX client yet?
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| 10:50 | <ogra> nope
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| 10:50 | i dont think so
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| 10:50 | <sadap> tengo un problema al ejecutar el comando ltsp-build-client, exactamente al generar un link de /dev/fd sabes algo de este error, lo estoy instalando en ubuntu 6.10
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| 10:51 | <vagrantc> sadap: ah, si.
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| 10:51 | <ogra> dont install to an unclean target
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| 10:51 | <antgel> ogra: yes, but i want to see if the server can detect my resolution, as if i'm accessing it from a 1600x1200 machine, i don't want a 1024x768 window etc
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| 10:51 | <paavum> sadap...porque no solo bajas el tarball?
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| 10:51 | <Blinny> antgel: You specify the session resolution in the FreeNX client.
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| 10:51 | antgel: You can also suspend sessions and pick them up from other machines later
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| 10:51 | <antgel> Blinny: ooh, hence your recommendation ^^^^
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| 10:52 | <sadap> creo que será lo mejor.
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| 10:52 | <vagrantc> ogra: so, the /dev/fd problem is when you install to an already existing /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
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| 10:52 | <ogra> yep
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| 10:52 | feisty refises to even start
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| 10:52 | *refuses
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| 10:53 | * vagrantc wonders if we shouldn't exit out of ltsp-build-client if /opt/ltsp/ARCH already exists | |
| 10:53 | <ogra> i'm pondering a stable-release-update for edgy to add that as well
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> we used to issue a warning
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| 10:53 | <ogra> feisty does thatr
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| 10:53 | issuing a warning and exiting
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> we should probably put that in the common plugins.
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| 10:54 | <sadap> ok, i gonna try again, thanks
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| 10:54 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:54 | <paavum> vagrantc... ok
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| 10:55 | dosbox has been (finally) installed
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| 10:55 | now what do I do to make it run locally
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| 10:55 | <vagrantc> paavum: do you need to run applications on the server also, or just on the thin-client ?
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| 10:55 | <paavum> on the server
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| 10:55 | I mean on both
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| 10:55 | basically its just DOSBOX i want to run in the client
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| 10:55 | cuz it eats up the cpu
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| 10:56 | and well... if you could help me out to get a bluetooth headset working... I would need to run a sip client
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| 10:56 | also
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| 10:59 | * vagrantc is clueless with bluetooth | |
| 11:00 | <ogra> in ubuntu that would work via the bluez tools ...
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| 11:00 | i think debian should ahve these package as well
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| 11:00 | <vagrantc> paavum: so, we need to set up some sort of network authentication....
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| 11:00 | <ogra> i guess bluez-utils
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| 11:01 | it wont work with esd though ...
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| 11:01 | <paavum> vagrantc... I already setup...
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| 11:01 | what the wiki says
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| 11:02 | <vagrantc> paavum: which wiki page?
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| 11:02 | <ogra> i was wondering as well :)
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| 11:03 | * vagrantc wants to set up bittorrent downloads for the tarballs | |
| 11:03 | <vagrantc> anyone got a tracker we can use?
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| 11:03 | <ogra> jammcq should be able to set one up on the ltsp.org server
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| 11:04 | i dont think its really used beyond the wiki yet
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| 11:04 | <vagrantc> trackers are pretty simple ... and it could really reduce the bandwidth requirements a lot
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| 11:04 | <ogra> the feisty tarball needs updating
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| 11:04 | <vagrantc> so does etch
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| 11:04 | <ogra> we're final ...
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| 11:04 | <paavum> vagrantc ... the localapps wiki page
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| 11:04 | for ltsp4
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| 11:05 | <vagrantc> paavum: URL ?
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| 11:05 | <cliebow_> antgel:freenx Rocks
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| 11:05 | * vagrantc is not in the habit of assuming vagrantc knows which instructions were followed | |
| 11:05 | <paavum> vagrantc: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps
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| 11:06 | I set up NIS
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| 11:06 | all the first part
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| 11:06 | by cliebow :P
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| 11:07 | !paavum
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| 11:07 | <ltspbot> paavum: Error: "paavum" is not a valid command.
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| 11:07 | <paavum> :(
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| 11:07 | <ogra> !ogra
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| 11:07 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ogra" is ogra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:07 | <ogra> wow, i didnt know :)
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| 11:07 | <paavum> :(
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| 11:07 | I tought the bot I was god
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| 11:07 | but it forgot
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| 11:07 | <ogra> i'd add you, but i dont know how ...
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| 11:08 | <paavum> it was with learn I think
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| 11:08 | !learn paavum god
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| 11:08 | <ltspbot> paavum: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 11:08 | <paavum> !learn paavum as god
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| 11:08 | <ltspbot> paavum: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:08 | <paavum> !paavum
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| 11:08 | <ltspbot> paavum: "paavum" is god
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| 11:08 | <paavum> :D:D:D:D:D:D
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| 11:08 | there
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| 11:08 | :P
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| 11:08 | <ogra> careful there might come strict christians into this channel :)
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| 11:09 | <paavum> lol
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| 11:09 | <Lumiere> uh
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| 11:09 | * vagrantc reads the LocalApps wiki page | |
| 11:09 | <vagrantc> so ... NIS, huh?
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| 11:09 | <Lumiere> paavum: no thanks...
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| 11:09 | ltspbot: forget paavum
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| 11:09 | <ltspbot> Lumiere: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:09 | <Lumiere> ogra: or atheists...
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| 11:09 | either way
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| 11:09 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:09 | <Lumiere> they'll be offended
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| 11:10 | <ogra> well, a good ahtheist should care ;)
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| 11:10 | *shouldn'T
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| 11:10 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids --search values
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| 11:10 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: No keys matched that query.
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| 11:10 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 11:10 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'j', 'j', (1 more message)
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| 11:10 | <vagrantc> see, we've already got too many entries... i don't know how to display them all
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| 11:10 | <Lumiere> ogra: they care about the idea that there is no god
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| 11:10 | <ogra> hmm, wgat is edubuntu ?
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| 11:11 | !edubuntu
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| 11:11 | <ltspbot> ogra: "edubuntu" is an Ubuntu variant especially tailored for schools. You can find it at http://www.edubuntu.org
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| 11:11 | <Lumiere> paavum: if you come up with something funny
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| 11:11 | or witty
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| 11:11 | <ogra> Lumiere, yes, but they dont care for people making themselves gods ;)
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| 11:11 | <Lumiere> go ahead
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| 11:11 | har har
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| 11:11 | I hate englsih
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| 11:11 | with a passion
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| 11:11 | <ogra> i dont ... it enables me to talk to you :)
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| 11:11 | <paavum> Yeap
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| 11:12 | <Lumiere> yes
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| 11:12 | the language is a mess though
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| 11:12 | <ogra> i mean, ok, if there were no english we'd talk esperanto or something else :)
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| 11:12 | <paavum> !learn paavum Magnus Paavum
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| 11:12 | <ltspbot> paavum: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 11:12 | <paavum> !learn paavum as Magnus Paavum
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| 11:12 | <ltspbot> paavum: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:13 | <paavum> at least gimme that
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| 11:13 | vagrantc: yes sir, NIS
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| 11:13 | <antgel> !msg the bot
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| 11:13 | <ltspbot> antgel: Error: "msg" is not a valid command.
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| 11:13 | <antgel> grr
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| 11:13 | <cliebow_> paavum: you must be good if you got nis working by my instructions..jammcq walked mr through it and i only remembered about half what he said
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| 11:14 | <paavum> I never got an error message
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| 11:14 | havent tried logging in
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| 11:14 | cuz I read the whole wiki... and did your instructions and some other below
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> paavum: how many users will you have?
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| 11:15 | <cliebow_> feel free to update/consolidate on thew wiki..
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> if it's a relatively small number, you might want to just use ssh keys
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| 11:15 | <paavum> vagrantc... about 10 or 20
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> paavum: do they need access to the files in their home dir ?
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| 11:16 | <paavum> yes
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> bummer.
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| 11:17 | well, i guess it's not so bad.
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| 11:17 | <paavum> vagrantc... maybe I could even get their docs to another dir
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| 11:18 | OR
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| 11:18 | every ws has a harddriv
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| 11:18 | maybe we could get the harddrive working and we wouldnt need the home dir :P
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> well, the easy way would be to add all the same users into /opt/ltsp/i386 with disabled password and then use ssh keys ...
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| 11:19 | but then you need to sync user information uids/gids between the server and /opt/ltsp/i386 ...
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| 11:19 | that's where NIS or ldap authentication would be nice ...
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| 11:19 | <paavum> but I have NIS running (I think)
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| 11:19 | <vagrantc> paavum: can you ssh to the thin-client ?
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| 11:20 | <paavum> lemme bring it up
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| 11:20 | <vagrantc> i guess i should make sure you have sshd running ...
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| 11:23 | <paavum> Hrmm seems like sshd is down
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| 11:23 | but I dont know how to bring it up :(
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| 11:23 | <vagrantc> dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l '*ssh*'
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| 11:24 | paavum: did you install it into the chroot ?
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| 11:25 | * vagrantc worries that instructions for ltsp 4.2 might have done weird things applied to ltsp5 | |
| 11:26 | <vagrantc> conceptually, it should all work if you install all the right things, but following the instructions exactly will likely break.
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| 11:27 | <paavum> the NIS?
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| 11:27 | no
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> ogra: whoah ... rather than distributing a tarball by bittorrent ... we could distribut the whole /opt/ltsp/ARCH dir ...
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| 11:28 | <paavum> I did this
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| 11:28 | ssh-keygen -q -t rsa1 -f /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -C '' -N ''
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> and then you could upgrade by running bittorrent
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| 11:28 | paavum: i would just use the host key that the package generates.
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> paavum: there should be no need to manually generate that.
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| 11:29 | <ogra> right, the packages postinst does it
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| 11:29 | vagrantc, you mean uncompressed ?
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> paavum: this is one of those cases where the documentation will be more harmful than helpful.
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| 11:30 | <ogra> i'D refer a tar.bz2 :) if i would pay the bandwith
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| 11:30 | <vagrantc> i suppose ...
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| 11:30 | though you loose a lot of flexibility
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| 11:31 | <joebaker> I think Gnome is broke in Ubuntu Feisty. It won't run on a non-glx display such as vncserver.
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> the big advantage would be upgrading from the etch/feisty pre-release instead of downloading a whole new tarball ... but maybe it still would be easier to download the tarball
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| 11:31 | <joebaker> Are there many non-glx displays used in LTSP?
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| 11:34 | * vagrantc wonders what's in the debian/etch tarballs that make them about 20MB bigger than the ubuntu ones | |
| 11:34 | <antgel> Blinny, cliebow_: heh, freenx rocks so very hard :)
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> i guess only about 11MB bigger than feisty
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| 11:35 | <joebaker> antgel: I like freenx. But I'm running an older 1.5 series.
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| 11:35 | <ogra> vagrantc, chroot $ROOT apt-get dist-upgrade should suffice, no ?
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| 11:35 | <antgel> i could moan about the docs and lack of official debian packages, but bottom line is, it does what i want
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| 11:35 | joebaker: i'm running 1.5 as well
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah, i suppose so.
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| 11:36 | <ogra> vagrantc, intresting since ubuntu (feisty at least) ships a lot more ... pulse ltspfs
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> ogra: though /etc/resolv.conf is broken on the tarballs ... it will contain info for whoever generated the tarball
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| 11:36 | <joebaker> antgel: It's nice, but when Internet connectivity goes out temporarily, it can be a pain to recover.
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| 11:36 | <ogra> vagrantc, right :/
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| 11:36 | we should put instructions up for that
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> if i could remember my login info, i'd update the wiki
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| 11:37 | <ogra> heh i got the same prob :)
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| 11:37 | * vagrantc wishes for openid support | |
| 11:37 | * ogra wishes for a ew world where no passwords are needed | |
| 11:37 | <vagrantc> you know, maybe we should start a new wiki for ltsp5 ...
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| 11:38 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah, that'd be better. freegeek got hit by stupid pointless wiki vandalism the other day.
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| 11:38 | <ogra> well, there are already many ltsp5 pages
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| 11:38 | we should just have a section
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| 11:38 | <antgel> what's the point? ltsp5 Just Works!
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> well, i would love to see some wiki other than twiki
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| 11:38 | * antgel pulls tongue out of cheek | |
| 11:39 | <ogra> antgel, many people want to tweak it, since you can do that very easily ...
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> and a major shift to a new version would be a perfect time to switch wiki's
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| 11:39 | <ogra> jammcq switched wikis last nov. not sure he wants to do that again :)
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> as a lot of the documentation is obsolete or even incorrect
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| 11:39 | <ogra> at the SF summit ...
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> he switched from twiki to twiki ?
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| 11:40 | <ogra> whats needed is someone who really takes care of it and cleans it out
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> doesn't sound like much of a switch
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| 11:40 | <ogra> he switched servers and dropped the www site and redidi the whole wiki
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| 11:40 | re did
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 11:41 | ah well. apparently we're stuck with twiki forever.
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| 11:41 | * ogra would prefer moin ... | |
| 11:41 | <ogra> but i dont run the server :)
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| 11:41 | * vagrantc would prefer ikiwiki | |
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| 12:10 | <paavum> Grrrrr
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| 12:10 | this still wont let me log in :/
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| 12:11 | to the ws
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| 12:11 | and I did apt-get install openssh
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| 12:11 | it asks me for a password
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| 12:11 | great
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| 12:12 | now what do I do ?
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| 12:12 | vagrantc?
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> paavum: set up ssh keys
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| 12:13 | <paavum> ssh-keygen bla?
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| 12:27 | <paavum> ok ssh keys generated
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| 12:28 | <ogra> put them into the users authorized_keys file then ...
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> paavum: you have /home mounted ?
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| 12:29 | * vagrantc notes that including the ssh keys on an NFS exported home is a bit of a security compromise | |
| 12:29 | <ogra> heh, a bit :)
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| 12:31 | <paavum> yes
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> paavum: for a quick test, you could just copy the .pub key to /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
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| 12:31 | <paavum> doing so
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> paavum: and then chmod -R og-rwx /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh ; chown -R root.root /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh
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| 12:37 | <paavum> ok now I log again into the client?
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> ssh root@thin-client
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| 12:39 | <paavum> The RSA host key for ws144 has changed,
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> remove it from ~/.ssh/known_hosts
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| 12:41 | <paavum> I already did
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| 12:42 | asks me for a password
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> ok ...
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| 12:42 | so what's the ssh key you're using ?
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| 12:42 | <paavum> RSA key fingerprint is 7e:69:53:74:c4:f2:13:94:10:99:b4:3d:55:4e:b9:ec.
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> no, the filename
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| 12:43 | <paavum> on the client?
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> no, the server
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| 12:43 | i.e. /home/USER/.ssh/id_rsa
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| 12:44 | <paavum> /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> ok... ls /home/USER/.ssh/
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| 12:44 | replacing USER with the username that you're logged into the server as.
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| 12:44 | <paavum> [root@ltsp2 ~]# ls /root/.ssh/
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| 12:44 | known_hosts
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| 12:44 | (I aint that dumb :/)
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> so where's your ssh key?
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| 12:45 | <paavum> dunno I generated it for the server
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 12:45 | <paavum> hehe
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| 12:45 | ok
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| 12:45 | just did
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> so, lets generate a key for a user ....
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| 12:45 | <paavum> sa.pub known_hosts
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| 12:45 | [root@ltsp2 .ssh]#
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| 12:45 | ack
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> run ssh-keygen without any arguments
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| 12:46 | <paavum> id_rsa.pub
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| 12:46 | <marcelo> hey guys
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| 12:46 | <paavum> there I just generated it
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| 12:46 | so I copy that file over to the clients known_hosts right?
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| 12:46 | authorized keys sorry
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> paavum: and copy id_rsa.pub to /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
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| 12:46 | paavum: and, for sanity's sake, lets just mv /root/.ssh/known_hosts to /root/.ssh/known_hosts.old
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| 12:47 | and try, try again
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| 12:47 | <paavum> password asked agai
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| 12:47 | again
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| 12:48 | will reboot the thin client so that sshd will restart
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> paavum: are the permissions on the files only readable by the user? ls -la /opt/ltsp/.ssh/
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| 12:49 | <paavum> -rw------- 1 root root 392 Apr 13 12:46 authorized_keys
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| 12:50 | so yes, they are only user-readable
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> paavum: and the directory ?
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| 12:52 | paavum: sorry, ls -la /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh
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| 12:54 | <Blinny> antgel: Rock on. (:
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| 12:54 | <paavum> of course i did /opt/ltsp/i386/root
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> paavum: and what are the permissions on the /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh directory?
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| 12:55 | <paavum> rwx only for root
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 12:55 | ok ... try ssh -vvv root@thin-client
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| 12:58 | <ltsppbot> "paavum" pasted "ssh -vvv root@ws144" (126 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/99
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| 13:01 | <vagrantc> paavum: grep -i pubkey /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/sshd_config
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| 13:01 | <paavum> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/sshd_config: No such file or directory
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| 13:02 | <vagrantc> paavum: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l '*ssh*'
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| 13:03 | <ltsppbot> "paavum" pasted "ssh -vvv root@ws144" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/100
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| 13:04 | <vagrantc> paavum: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install openssh-server
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| 13:04 | <paavum> I did!
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| 13:04 | <vagrantc> sure doesn't look like it
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| 13:05 | <vagrantc> i would expect to see a line like ... ii openssh-server 4.3p2-9 Secure shell server, an rshd replacement
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| 13:06 | <paavum> :/ hold on
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| 13:06 | just saw the message
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| 13:06 | <vagrantc> if there's no sshd_config, and dpkg doesn't know that openssh-server is installed ... then i really find it hard to believe it's installed.
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| 13:06 | what is running on your machine, that's a mystery.
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| 13:07 | paavum: are you running the debian tarball or the ubuntu one?
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| 13:07 | <paavum> debian tarball
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| 13:07 | but was working on the ubuntu tarball :/
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| 13:07 | <vagrantc> because i see: ii openssh-client 4.3p2-5ubuntu1
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| 13:07 | <paavum> so yes, I will accept public humiliation
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| 13:09 | <paavum> [root@ltsp2 ltsp]# grep -i pubkey /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/sshd_config
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| 13:09 | PubkeyAuthentication yes
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 13:10 | <paavum> k i'm in
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| 13:11 | I have to put a passphrase tho
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| 13:11 | should I put no passphrase?
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> diff /root/.ssh/id_rsa /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
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| 13:11 | ooops
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| 13:11 | diff /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
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| 13:12 | <paavum> its the same file
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| 13:12 | just logged in
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| 13:12 | I have to put a passphrase tho
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| 13:12 | should I leave it for no passphrase?
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> when you created the key did you type in a passphrase?
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| 13:12 | <paavum> yes
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> ah, well, then yeah, you'll have to type a passphrase :P
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| 13:13 | <paavum> no I mean, should I regenerate the key so no passphrase should be entered?
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> well, do you want to be able to run applications without requiring a passphrase?
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| 13:13 | <paavum> yes
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> and you shouldn't need to regenerate the key
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| 13:13 | <paavum> lol
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> you can just change the passphrase
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| 13:13 | <paavum> ok I'm in :)
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| 13:14 | now what?
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> ssh-keygen -p -N ''
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| 13:14 | ok ... so that was a long road ...
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| 13:14 | now we need to do the same thing as a user
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| 13:15 | <paavum> ok so now logged in I have to generate the corresponding key
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| 13:15 | can't I just do something dangerously insecure and instead of doing that user by user
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| 13:15 | i do that with the server's keys?
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> depends on what you need.
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| 13:16 | <paavum> all of the users (20) have to be able to run some apps locally
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> you could run the local applications as the same user on every machine, if they don't need per-user configuration
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| 13:20 | <paavum> Ok no matter
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| 13:20 | I'll do that for each user
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc> you could copy the same ssh key for each user ...
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| 13:21 | then every user can log in as every user :)
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| 13:21 | <paavum> ok
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| 13:22 | so now I generate the key for root
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| 13:22 | and copy it ?
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> what are you trying to do?
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| 13:22 | <paavum> you told me I need to do it the other way around
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| 13:22 | from client to server
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> i've talked about at least 2, maybe 3 different ways to go ...
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| 13:22 | so which are you talking about?
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| 13:23 | <paavum> well... we're already going one way.. sshkey exchange... right?
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> yes, ssh keys, sure. but what are you trying to do ?
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| 13:24 | there are many many ways you could configure this using ssh keys.
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| 13:25 | <paavum> well now that I have sshd the client
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| 13:25 | i would generate the key for the client
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| 13:25 | and copy it to the server
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc> for the client, or for the user?
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| 13:25 | <paavum> well... I have 20 users
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| 13:26 | and each of them has a different account
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| 13:26 | is there anyway I can save myself from generating 20 keys?
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| 13:26 | <ogra> thats why you need network auth and homedrs on the client
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> use the same key for all 20 users?
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| 13:26 | <ogra> or that
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| 13:26 | and a dedicated user
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> but you'd have to copy it to each user's home directory
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| 13:27 | yeah, or a dedicated user
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| 13:28 | or use HostbaseAuthentication
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| 13:28 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:30 | <paavum> how do I do that?
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| 13:30 | instead of generating the keys per user
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| 13:30 | I do it for each host, right?
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> read the docs
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| 13:31 | i've never set it up, and probably never will.
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| 13:31 | <paavum> ok, lets finish this for the root user
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| 13:31 | then I use host based auth
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> so ... to execute programs as root ... ssh -X root@ws144
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| 13:33 | and then run whatever programs you want
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| 13:33 | <paavum> and thats it?
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| 13:34 | ok but now I have a trick question...
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| 13:34 | <ogra> *now* ?
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| 13:34 | :)
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| 13:35 | <paavum> lol
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| 13:35 | * ogra goes to watch t and enjoy the rest of the evening ... might bbl ... | |
| 13:35 | <ogra> *tv
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| 13:35 | <paavum> how do I know which host am I running>
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> echo $SSH_CLIENT $SSH_CONNECTION
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| 13:36 | maybe even $LTSP_CLIENT
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| 13:37 | if you logged in with LDM
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| 13:37 | * Gadi would suggest not ssh -X but, setting the DISPLAY instead - no need to send the graphics on a round trip | |
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| 13:44 | <paavum> lets see how I'm logged in
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| 13:44 | cuz I fear its a strange way
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| 13:45 | ok $SSH_CLIENT WORKS
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| 13:59 | vagrantc... now I try to run dosbox
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| 13:59 | and I get this error opening /dev/fb0 failed
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| 13:59 | Error opening framebuffer
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> paavum: echo $DISPLAY
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| 14:02 | <paavum> localhost:10.0
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> hmmm...
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| 14:04 | paavum: try running some other application
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| 14:05 | there's probably a fair amount of merit to gadi's suggestion
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| 14:05 | * Gadi thinks maybe lsmod |grep fb | |
| 14:05 | * paavum just followed Gadi | |
| 14:05 | <Gadi> perhaps there is no frame buffer device
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| 14:06 | <paavum> there is no framebuffer device
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> ls /dev/fb0
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| 14:06 | return no file?
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| 14:06 | <paavum> nope
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> does dosbox require a frame buffer device?
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| 14:07 | you may need to config dosbox
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| 14:07 | <paavum> another funny thing
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| 14:07 | I do apt-get update
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| 14:07 | and I get:
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> why would dosbox require a frame buffer ?
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| 14:09 | <gonzaloaf_work> hi, I use ltsp 4.2, I want my clients's home to be erased each time before the y log in, how can I do that?
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| 14:10 | <paavum> now I cant get to the pastebot from the thin client
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> paavum: is the fb0 thing an error or a warning?
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| 14:10 | <paavum> the actual error is
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| 14:11 | cant init SDL DirectFBCreate
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| 15:38 | <lns> what's up all
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| 15:39 | Can anyone tell me whether I need to follow the "Firefox 32-bit under AMD64" instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava if I'm running Ubuntu 6.10 64-bit with 32-bit thin clients? How can I accomplish this, with getting Flash & Java going?
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