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Channel log from 21 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:53 | <|Philip|> LTSP Setup Question: I want to put LTSP terminals in my house. The home network has a star topology, with all nodes connected to a central router. That router serves DHCP. Do I need to switch off the router's DHCP feature and give the job to a daemon on my linux server box? Thanks.
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| 00:54 | <vagrantc_> |Philip|: if you can configure your router to give out the filename, next-server and root-path options, you might be able to just use that for the DHCP servr.
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| 00:55 | |Philip|: some routers can't do that, some are really hard to figure out... so it might just be easier to use the LTSP server as your DHCP server and shut off DHCP on your router.
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| 00:55 | <|Philip|> Thanks for answering. I don't think my router is smart enough to do all that. Do you use any network gadget (router/switch/hub)? Can you briefly outline your setup?
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| 00:56 | <vagrantc_> the other option would be to put two network cards in your LTSP server, and set up a separate physical network for the thin-clients ...
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| 00:57 | typically, i've got a DHCP server plugged into a switch/hub. sometimes that DHCP server is the same as the LTSP server, sometimes it's another linux box. doesn't make too much difference.
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| 00:58 | <|Philip|> I'd rather play with software than install new hardware. I think I might have a spare network card somewhere, but then I would also need a hub for the LTSP subnet. So I'll first try to copy the setup you are using.
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| 00:59 | * vagrantc_ just uses /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd.conf with ip addresses adapted to the network | |
| 01:00 | <|Philip|> I'm not too worried about this: DHCP is actually overkill for my current setup, because all my machines are static and their IP addresses are static, too. My first move will be to switch all boxes over to static IP addresses and see if the network can function with no DHCP server at all. Then I will try to start dhcpd on a network machine and work up from there. Do you think this could work?
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| 01:02 | <vagrantc_> well, if you mean no DHCP for all non-LTSP machines, sure. but trying to set up LTSP without DHCP is a lot of work.
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| 01:04 | <|Philip|> Yes, I meant reconfiguring all the working non-LTSP machines I have already to avoid DHCP so that I could keep the rest of the family functioning happily while going through the pain of organizing DHCP so that LTSP can be added.
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| 01:05 | Now I should check out and try some of this. Thanks a lot, fellow Cascadian, for helping me decide my next move. Bye!
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| 01:05 | <vagrantc_> that shouldn't be hard.
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| 01:06 | glad to be of help
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| 01:06 | |Philip|: whereabouts in cascadia are you ?
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| 01:07 | <|Philip|> Vancouver, Canada. I told this to the KVIrc client I installed 5 mins ago for the express purpose of learning more about LTSP. It has worked beautifully, thanks to you. Now I'm really really going. Bye!
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| 05:28 | <cliebow> jammcq: david lloyd is on the fence for another couple weeks..might have to go to mONtana..
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| 06:25 | <masus> is there a minimal cd for ltsp+debian , thanks
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| 07:50 | <masus> can anyone give me documantation for debian ltsp
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| 07:51 | this onw is not http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/ enough
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| 07:52 | <sep> masus, you read the /usr/share/doc/ltsp* files ?
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| 07:52 | <masus> i'll see one mom
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| 07:53 | <ogra> !debian
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| 07:53 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 07:53 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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| 07:53 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 07:53 | <ogra> both pages will have info
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| 07:53 | since LTSP is largely developed in ubuntu the docs apply for both distros mostly
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| 07:53 | <masus> but i have do what is there but i get an error like PXE not found
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| 07:54 | <ogra> did you use the -standalone package or only ltsp-server ?
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| 07:54 | <masus> only ltsp-server
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| 07:54 | <ogra> that doesnt set up the dhcp server
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| 07:54 | you need to do that yourself then
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| 07:54 | <masus> i have do
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| 07:55 | <ogra> PXE not found usually means your client doesnt get the right inf from the dhcp server
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| 07:55 | <masus> http://pastebin.ca/705834
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| 07:55 | pleaselook at there , it's my dhcpd.conf
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| 07:56 | <ogra> on a separate server
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| 07:56 | i assume
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| 07:56 | looks fine so far
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| 07:56 | are you using etch ?
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| 07:56 | <masus> yes
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| 07:56 | debian etch
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| 07:57 | <ogra> etch's initramfs had a bug where it couldnt split root-path properly into ip and path
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| 07:57 | <masus> so what i can do
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| 07:57 | <ogra> add nbdroot="<ip>:<path>" to your PXE defaultfile
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| 07:57 | err
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| 07:57 | nfsroot
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| 07:57 | <masus> filename "/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0
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| 07:57 | <ogra> (sorry my head is on next gen ltsp already, we dropped nfs there)
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| 07:58 | <masus> to this file
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| 07:58 | <ogra> "/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 07:58 | just add it to the end of the one line in there
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| 07:58 | <masus> ok i'll try
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| 07:58 | <ogra> ERRR
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| 07:58 | STOP !
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| 07:58 | thats totally wrong
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| 07:59 | filename "/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0"; isnt a path you can see via tftp
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| 07:59 | must be filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 08:00 | fix that in your dhcpd.conf first
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| 08:00 | <masus> ok
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| 08:00 | <ogra> if it still doesnt work *then* make the nfsroot fix
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| 08:00 | <masus> but i have try it first
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| 08:00 | s ihave changed
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| 08:00 | but i'll fix it
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| 08:01 | i dont have this /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 08:02 | <ogra> no
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| 08:02 | as i said ... totally wrong path
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| 08:02 | did you make the fix in dhcpd.conf an try to boot a client ?
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| 08:02 | <masus> yes
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| 08:02 | no
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| 08:02 | i don'try now
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| 08:02 | but for 30 minutes i have try
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| 08:02 | <ogra> (dont forget to restart the dhcp server after changes ;) )
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| 08:03 | <masus> yesy i have restart
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| 08:03 | <sbalneav> Morning all!
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| 08:03 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:03 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:03 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:03 | <masus> so i'll try again please wait
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| 08:03 | :)
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| 08:03 | <sbalneav> Mooooooornin!
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| 08:03 | <masus> this is the client who have to login
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| 08:03 | <ogra> we wont run away ;)
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| 08:03 | <masus> :D
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| 08:04 | thanks
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| 08:04 | * sbalneav sips his Tim Hortons | |
| 08:04 | * jammcq thinks there's a joke there somewhere | |
| 08:04 | * ogra was looking for that too | |
| 08:04 | <sbalneav> Mmmmmm coffee
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| 08:04 | * ogra just sent susie for fresh one :) | |
| 08:05 | <sbalneav> Man, I gotta get my own.
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| 08:05 | Pretty sweet deal you got there.
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| 08:06 | <masus> ogra: PXE file not found
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| 08:07 | * Guaraldo felt the coffee blend in the air: "Go get one!" | |
| 08:08 | <masus> can u give me more tips :S
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| 08:08 | or how to fix this, i want to test the ltsp
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| 08:09 | <Guaraldo> masus: verify the "file" parameter in your DHCP configuration file...
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| 08:09 | masus: Check if the file exist...
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| 08:10 | <masus> http://pastebin.ca/705847
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| 08:10 | here is my dhcpd.conf file
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| 08:10 | u mean this file to check ? filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 08:11 | "/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0"
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| 08:11 | <sbalneav> that's wrong
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| 08:11 | <masus> hmmm
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| 08:11 | and how to fix it :)
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| 08:11 | <sbalneav> you should look in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 08:12 | What tftpserver do you have installed?
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| 08:12 | on the server?
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| 08:12 | <masus> tftpd-hpa - HPA's tftp server
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| 08:13 | <masus> and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ is empty
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| 08:13 | :S
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> Well, there's your problem
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| 08:14 | run ltsp-update-kernel
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| 08:15 | <masus> http://pastebin.ca/705850
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| 08:15 | i have do it now can u look if it's right now ?
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| 08:15 | do i have to change now something on dhcpd.conf
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| 08:16 | <sbalneav> No, but now your should have something in /var/libtftpboot
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| 08:17 | <masus> yes i have
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| 08:17 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 08:17 | <masus> "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default"
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| 08:17 | <sbalneav> thats good then.
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| 08:18 | <masus> :)
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| 08:18 | i'll test now
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| 08:18 | be right back :D
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| 08:22 | <masus> hi i'm back , Could Not Find Kernel Image:vmlinuz
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| 08:23 | :)
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| 08:23 | i have do all wrong i think
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| 08:23 | :|
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| 08:28 | <masus> Could not find Kernel image : vmlinuz :S
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| 08:28 | <ogra> dpkg -|grep ltsp
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| 08:28 | lets see what you have all installed over there
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| 08:28 | <masus> ok
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| 08:29 | * ogra hopes ltsp-utils isnt in that list ... etch has a bad bug that lets you install ltsp 4 and 5 alongside which usually breaks | |
| 08:29 | <masus> dpkg -| grep ltsp / dpkg: need an action option
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| 08:29 | <sbalneav> dpkg -l
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| 08:29 | <ogra> thats a small L
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| 08:30 | <masus> no it's not
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| 08:30 | <ogra> not a pipe :)
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| 08:30 | err
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| 08:30 | whoops, my bad
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| 08:30 | <sbalneav> dpkg -l | grep ltsp
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| 08:30 | <masus> ltsp-utilsis not installed
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| 08:30 | <ogra> onyl ltsp-server ?
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| 08:31 | <masus> oh sorry it is :|
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| 08:31 | <sbalneav> That's a problem.
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| 08:31 | <ogra> did you run any of the tools ?
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| 08:31 | i.e. ltspadmin
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| 08:31 | <masus> ii ltsp-server 0.99debian11 Basic LTSP server environment
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| 08:31 | rc ltsp-utils 0.25 Provides server support program for use in a
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| 08:31 | i have do it yesterday but after i ahve learn that ltsp-utils is old version i have deinstalled
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| 08:31 | <ogra> dpkg --purge ltsp-utils (so *everything* gets claned up)
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| 08:32 | ou still have the config files
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| 08:32 | <masus> Removing ltsp-utils ...
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| 08:32 | <ogra> (rc indicates that)
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| 08:32 | does /tftpboot exist ?
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| 08:32 | <masus> no
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| 08:33 | have delete it yesterday
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| 08:33 | <ogra> ok
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| 08:33 | oh
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| 08:33 | <masus> :)
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| 08:33 | <ogra> check that it doesnt show up in inetd.conf
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| 08:33 | then rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 08:33 | ltsp-build-client
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| 08:34 | wait a while until its done ...
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| 08:34 | boot a client
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| 08:34 | <masus> http://pastebin.ca/705872 inetd.conf
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| 08:34 | oh i have to wait 2 hours until it's finished
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| 08:35 | can i download the cd form anywhere
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| 08:35 | <ogra> there is no tftp stanza at all in your inetd.conf
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| 08:35 | <ogra> any debian CD should do
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| 08:35 | <masus> ok , is my inetd.conf right ?
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| 08:35 | <ogra> if you have one around, mount it and use ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom
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| 08:36 | no
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| 08:36 | it should contain tftp
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| 08:36 | <masus> afterltsp-build-client it will be conatin tftp
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| 08:36 | ?
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| 08:36 | <ogra> nope
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| 08:36 | thats adjusted by ltsp-server iirc
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> ogra: So, we've got a couple of widescreens here (14-something by 1060 something). Before I had to specify custom xorg.conf's for them. Now they autodetect right out of the box. \o/ for configure-x.sh
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| 08:37 | <ogra> yay
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| 08:37 | <masus> so firs remove ltsp-server
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| 08:37 | <ogra> no
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| 08:37 | <masus> and build-client
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| 08:37 | hmm
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| 08:37 | <ogra> remove ltsp-utils
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| 08:37 | then apt-get install --reinstall ltsp-server
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| 08:38 | (that will give you the tftp entry)
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| 08:38 | <masus> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove ltsp-utils which isn't installed.
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| 08:38 | <ogra> (unless debian hacked that up)
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| 08:38 | did you purge it before ?
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| 08:38 | <masus> yes
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| 08:38 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 08:38 | apt-get install --reinstall ltsp-server
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| 08:38 | check inetd.conf afterwards
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| 08:39 | <masus> ok
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| 08:39 | http://pastebin.ca/705881
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| 08:39 | the new inetd.conf
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| 08:40 | after --> apt-get install --reinstall ltsp-server
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| 08:41 | maybe i have to install another tftpd server
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| 08:41 | <ogra> tftpd-hpa
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| 08:41 | should be a dependency of ltsp-server anyway
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| 08:41 | <masus> tftpd-hpa - HPA's tftp server this is teh one i have
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| 08:42 | nothing changed in inetd.conf
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| 08:51 | <masus> i'll make again a fresh installation :)
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| 08:51 | again again until it works :D
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| 08:54 | <ogra> no
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| 08:55 | dpkg-reconfigure tftp-hpa
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| 08:55 | that should give you the entry if you answer yes to the question about inetd/standalone
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| 08:56 | s/tftp-hpa/tftpd-hpa/
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| 08:56 | then build the client ..
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| 08:57 | <highvoltage> ogra: have you ever considered replacing dhcp3-server with dnsmasq? It has a build-in tftp server too
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| 08:58 | <ogra> highvoltage, nope
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| 08:58 | we have one dhcp server in main which i use ...
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| 08:58 | and we wont drop that one in favor of dnsmask ...
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| 08:59 | neither will we support two
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| 08:59 | <highvoltage> ah, right
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| 08:59 | <masus> ok
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| 08:59 | <ogra> there is an example config shipped in the ltsp docs in case you want dnsmasq
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| 09:00 | <highvoltage> nice. I just thought it would make it easier to support if you could replace two programs with one
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| 09:00 | dnsmasq is also easier to configure (and reconfigure)
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| 09:00 | (and provides easy dns caching, site blocking, etc)
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| 09:00 | <ogra> it would make it totally not easier for sure
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| 09:00 | <highvoltage> oh wow, really?
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| 09:01 | <ogra> guess how many people wound just install dhcp3-server because the docs for the old releases say so
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| 09:01 | <highvoltage> ah yes, absolutely.
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| 09:01 | <ogra> and then end up with broken tftp for example
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| 09:01 | <highvoltage> yes, that would be terrible.
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| 09:01 | <masus> ogra: tftpd-hpa or tftp-hpa
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| 09:02 | <ogra> tftpd-hpa
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| 09:02 | <masus> u have wrote this one dpkg-reconfigure tftp-hpa
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| 09:02 | and i hace installed
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| 09:03 | tftp-hpa
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| 09:03 | is it a problem
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| 09:03 | <ogra> no
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| 09:03 | thats the client
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| 09:03 | nothing to care about
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| 09:04 | reconfig the daemon as well :)
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| 09:04 | <masus> ok after reinstall dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa nothing change in inetd.conf
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| 09:04 | reconfig
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| 09:04 | <ogra> dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa asks y question
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| 09:04 | *asks you a
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| 09:05 | <masus> yes
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| 09:05 | <ogra> what did you answer ?
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| 09:05 | <masus> should teh server stated by inetd
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| 09:05 | yes
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| 09:05 | <ogra> right
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| 09:05 | that should add a stanza to inetd.conf
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| 09:06 | <masus> "dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa / Stopping HPA's tftpd: in.tftpd. / Starting HPA's tftpd: in.tftpd."
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| 09:06 | <ogra> huh ?
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| 09:06 | not if you answer yes
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| 09:06 | <masus> http://pastebin.ca/705911
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| 09:06 | this is the last inetd.conf
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| 09:07 | <ogra> something more fundamental seems to be broken in your system
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| 09:07 | <masus> maybe i write it manual
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| 09:07 | <ogra> if you say yes to that question, update-inetd is run and the stanza is added
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| 09:07 | well, that would work around the issue, but not fix it
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| 09:08 | your issue seems to be that debconf doesnt do the right thing
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| 09:09 | wait for vagrantc, he maintains the debian port, no idea what debian did here
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| 09:09 | <masus> "#Defaults for tftpd-hpa / RUN_DAEMON="yes" / OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot" "
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| 09:09 | <ogra> tftpd-hpa usually defaults to be run by inetd ...
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| 09:09 | <masus> in /etc/defaults/tftpd-hpa
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| 09:09 | <ogra> its weird that it doesnt for you after install
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| 09:10 | so something is really wrong here
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| 09:10 | <masus> hmm
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| 09:10 | <ogra> vagrant will be able to tell i guess
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| 09:10 | <masus> ok i'll wait
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| 09:10 | thanks
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| 09:10 | <ogra> run your ltsp-build-client meanwhile :)
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| 09:10 | <masus> yes i download one cd
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| 09:10 | last 45 min
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| 09:11 | so i can do it every time :)
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| 09:21 | <masus> have ltsp5 a default window manager
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| 09:32 | <ogra> ltsp has no window manager
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| 10:02 | <masus> ogra: i have download the debian cd 1 , and ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom
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| 10:02 | E: Couldn't find package ltsp-client
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| 10:02 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 10:02 | <ogra> use --extra.-mirror with an online mirror so it pulls the missing packages
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| 10:03 | err
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| 10:03 | --extra-mirror
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| 10:03 | <masus> ok
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| 10:03 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client --help :)
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| 10:03 | <masus> :)
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| 10:03 | <ogra> it has a ton of nifty options :)
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| 10:03 | <masus> can u give me a link
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| 10:03 | for extra mirror :S
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| 10:03 | :D
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| 10:06 | <ogra> no idea for debian, sorry
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| 10:06 | <masus> ok i'll find
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| 10:06 | hope
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| 10:06 | :9
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| 10:46 | <klausade> vagrantc: just got a client running 5.0.27debian1~0.fg.1 on etch running. But, no X, and the chroot is just 400M, while my 5.0.8debian3 chroot is about 500M.
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| 10:46 | <ogra> whoa
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| 10:47 | ogra@laptop:~/packages/edubuntu-meta-1.44$ du -hcs /opt/ltsp/i386/
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| 10:47 | 427M /opt/ltsp/i386/
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| 10:47 | feisty was a bit over 300M
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| 10:47 | (thats gutsy above)
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| 10:47 | 500M is just obscene :)
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc> we just use xorg, rather than picking out individual font sets and such
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| 10:48 | <ogra> yeah, i'll probably switch that back
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| 10:48 | even though that was a massive speedup
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| 10:48 | it doesnt affect the nbdroot anymore
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> though the 400M vs. 427M is probably a better comparison
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| 10:49 | seeing as it's more similar versions
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| 10:49 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:49 | well
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| 10:49 | gutsy doesnt need /opt/ltsp/i386/
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| 10:49 | <vagrantc> klausade: yeah, i haven't seen X work on the backported version. managed to try with 3 different cards.
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| 10:49 | <ogra> ogra@laptop:~/packages/edubuntu-meta-1.44$ ls -lh /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 10:49 | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 160M 2007-09-16 15:01 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> klausade: i think i will make it possible to use the same configuration system with xdebconfigurator, and then the backport should be fine, and will give people the flexibility to use whatever they want.
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| 10:51 | <klausade> ogra: du -chs /opt/ltsp 403M /opt/ltsp
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| 10:51 | <jmbp> Hi... I had to recompile the kernel for some ltsp clients on Fesity to get a new NIC card supported (driver is not included on the ubuntu releases), but after I install the image on the ltsp chroot client complaints that modules.dep is not found.... anyone have an idea of what I'm missing?
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| 10:52 | <vagrantc> klausade: that's with etch, right ?
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| 10:52 | <klausade> vagrantc: yes.
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| 10:52 | <ogra> jmbp, you didnt use module-assistant and built it as module ?
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| 10:52 | jmbp, i guess best is then to ask in #ubuntu-kernel, that message has nothing to do with ltsp
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| 10:53 | (and we ususally dont touch kernels in ltsp :) so expetise might be better over there)
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| 10:53 | <klausade> vagrantc: the buildline I just used is at http://paste.debian.net/37675. Trying to use a line as close to the original debian-edu as possible. not sure if that is a good or bad thing.
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| 10:55 | <jmbp> ogra: no, i didn't use the module assistant... i was suggested to recompile the kernel including the driver, but i wonder that that will be easier... I have tested the driver on the live cd and works fine, but I dont know how to just build that driver for the ltsp chroot on Fesity... any ideas?
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| 10:55 | <ogra> never ever compile a full kernel (at least in ubuntu) to just get a NIC driver :)
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| 10:56 | <jmbp> ogra: yes, I was wondering that I've choosen the hard way... :(
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| 10:56 | <vagrantc> klausade: that should work, as good as one can expect, anyways
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| 10:57 | <klausade> jmbp: can't you just add the module to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/modules and rebuild the kernel in the chroot with linux-image, and then run ltsp-update-kernels outsiude the chroot?
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| 10:57 | jmbp: thats how I did it when I need sky2 for a new client.
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| 10:59 | <vagrantc> klausade: i should try the backport with a static X config ...
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| 10:59 | <ogra> s/linux-image/update-initramfs -u/
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| 10:59 | <vagrantc> klausade: just to see that everything else works...
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| 10:59 | <klausade> ogra: yes, probably better, been a while since I had to do that, and my memory ....
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| 11:00 | <vagrantc> klausade: it's working good on sid and lenny, so far
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| 11:00 | <masus> i have rebuild the tree
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| 11:00 | nfsmount: need a path
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| 11:00 | <ogra> klausade, i dont think we have linux-image in ubuntu at all :)
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| 11:00 | (as command)
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| 11:01 | masus, looks good :) your PXE prob is fixed
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| 11:01 | <masus> :)
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| 11:01 | <vagrantc> klausade: but i really think a decent etch backport will get us some good feature testing from those who aren't willing to run lenny or sid
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| 11:01 | <ogra> masus, now add the nfsroot parameter as i told you in the very beginning
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| 11:01 | to override the broken root-path
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| 11:01 | <masus> no i havent add it
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| 11:02 | can u write again
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| 11:02 | <ogra> in your pxe config add nfsroot="<ip>:<path>"
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| 11:02 | the same you have in dhcpd.conf for root-path
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| 11:02 | <masus> ok
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| 11:03 | option root-path "10.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 11:03 | uthis one right ?
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| 11:03 | <ogra> masus, i told you all you have to do ... scroll back to the beginning of the conversation
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| 11:03 | * ogra calls it a day now ... edubuntu CDs 30M oversized and nothing i can drop ... i give up | |
| 11:04 | <vagrantc> :(
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| 11:04 | <masus> but i have restarrt the pc , but will find one mom
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| 11:05 | <ogra> masus, /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default add nfsroot there with the right data
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| 11:05 | <masus> :) ok
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| 11:05 | <ogra> vagrantc, masus uses etch btw
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| 11:05 | <vagrantc> ah, yes.
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| 11:06 | masus: you're probably encountering: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=387808
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| 11:06 | masus: which wasn't fixed until after etch released
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| 11:07 | and the fix was so simple...
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| 11:07 | * vagrantc kicks vagrantc for not figuring it out sooner | |
| 11:07 | <vagrantc> masus: but why don't you just use next-server instead of putting the ip address in root-path ?
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| 11:08 | <masus> i use next-server in dhcpd.conf
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| 11:08 | next-server 10.0.0.1;
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| 11:09 | option root-path "10.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc> masus: so just use: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 11:09 | <masus> hmm
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc> much simpler.
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| 11:09 | <masus> ok i'll try
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| 11:09 | <jammcq> next-server is for tftp, not for nfs
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc> jammcq: that's not how we've interpreted it.
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| 11:09 | <jammcq> oh?
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc> jammcq: and that's not how the in-kernel nfsroot code handles it
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| 11:09 | <jammcq> the initramfs has some logic to use next-server for nfs ?
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| 11:10 | hmm, ok
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| 11:10 | <masus> be right back
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| 11:10 | <jammcq> news to me
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| 11:10 | <vagrantc> jammcq: initramfs, as well as linux kernel
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| 11:10 | <jammcq> I consider the in-kernel nfsroot to be dead, as linus has threated for years to yank it out
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| 11:11 | <vagrantc> well, sure, but i see it as the existing convention
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| 11:11 | <jammcq> ok
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| 11:11 | <vagrantc> and it's been threatened for years and managed to stay in
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| 11:11 | <ogra> thats not the whitepaper behavior though
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| 11:11 | * vagrantc remembers the days of compiling kernel after kernel with nfsroot support | |
| 11:12 | <ogra> next-server by definition doesnt define anything for nfs
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> it defines a boot server
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| 11:12 | <ogra> for tftp
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> is it explicitly tftp only ?
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| 11:13 | i was pretty sure it said boot server.
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| 11:13 | <ogra> if initramfs-tools really uses it for nfs, thats wrong ... but i wont chnage it unless users complain :)
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| 11:13 | well, define "boot"
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| 11:13 | <jammcq> "boot server" to me means where to get a kernel from. not what to mount as a root fs
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> no less wrong than assuming next-server is the same as the dhcp-server
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| 11:13 | <jammcq> but hey, if it works, i'm all for it
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| 11:14 | <ogra> ++
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> hard to boot without a root filesystem
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| 11:14 | <ogra> why
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| 11:14 | if you shut down your nfs server you do that all the time :P
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| 11:14 | <jammcq> you could boot memtest. it doesn't need a root fs
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> ah, whatever.
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| 11:14 | <jammcq> :)
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| 11:14 | <ogra> initranfs is a root fs :P
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> ogra: you use next-server in ubuntu all the time, you just hide it from your users.
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| 11:15 | <jmbp> klausade: how do I re-build the kernel in the chroot?
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> ogra: and your code is dependent on it.
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| 11:15 | <masus> i can't believe
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| 11:15 | it's working
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| 11:15 | :)
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| 11:15 | * vagrantc knows a thing or two about ltsp in etch | |
| 11:16 | <ogra> jmbp, really, talk to ubuntu, not to debian guys about the ubuntu kernel ... debian and ubuntu kernels and their handling are massively different
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| 11:16 | <masus> thank u very much ogra and vagrantc
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> of course :)
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| 11:16 | <masus> and very sorry for my newbie questions
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| 11:16 | <ogra> masus, we wasked them as well once ;)
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> masus: what you encountered was a stupid bug that should have been fixed a long time ago.
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| 11:17 | <ogra> *asked
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| 11:17 | <masus> :) thanks
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| 11:17 | have a nice day all , and thanks again
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| 11:17 | by
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| 11:19 | <jmbp> ogra: thanks...
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| 11:20 | ogra: general question should be: how to add a module to ltsp kernel image on Feisty...
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| 11:20 | * vagrantc wonders what's the difference between "filename" and "option bootfile-name" | |
| 11:20 | <vagrantc> bootfile-name isn't supported by bootp ...
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| 11:21 | the manpage for dhcp-options claims that some clients actually require it
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| 11:21 | maybe those obnoxious intel clients fit that category
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| 11:21 | <ogra> jmbp, you use your distros kernel tools to build a module
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| 11:22 | <Guaraldo> !LTSPFS
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| 11:22 | <ltspbot`> Guaraldo: Error: "LTSPFS" is not a valid command.
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| 11:22 | <Guaraldo> !ltspfs
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| 11:22 | <ltspbot`> Guaraldo: Error: "ltspfs" is not a valid command.
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| 11:22 | <Guaraldo> !localdev
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| 11:22 | <ltspbot`> Guaraldo: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 11:26 | <sbalneav> ogra: What's the new printer manager called again?
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| 11:26 | <ogra> scp
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| 11:26 | or s-c-p
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> there's also "option tftp-server-name"
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| 11:26 | <ogra> or system-config-printer
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| 11:27 | or just click the entry in the menu
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| 11:27 | * ogra is still scared by the UI, gnome-cups-manager was easy anough for my mother to use ... thats thing wont) | |
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| 11:29 | <sbalneav> I kinda like it.
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| 11:30 | <ogra> way to many options in the default views imho
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| 11:30 | but thats subjective ....
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| 11:31 | <ogra> i just liked the simplicism of the former
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> oh yeah, i was going to try LTSP on powerpc today
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| 11:32 | <ogra> ... with the new printing system no user should ever see that tool anyway
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| 11:32 | so my complaints are moot i guess
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| 11:32 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 11:32 | <ogra> vagrantc, enjoy ...
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| 12:09 | <geovane> boa tarde
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| 12:09 | estou fazendo um novo servidor ltsp usando o 4.2, utilizandoo a mesma configuração que ja uso em outros servidores... mas no clinte não está sendo criada o /dev/lp0
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| 12:09 | <geovane> ja foi declaro no lts.conf e ja foi reservado o ip no dhcp
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| 12:09 | [ws101]
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| 12:10 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0
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| 12:10 | PRINTER_0_TYPE = P
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| 12:10 | <Guaraldo> geovane: In english, please...
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| 12:27 | <kchiefs> anybody here successful with getting Slackware/LTSP sound to work correctly....it will play through amarok but not in the webbrowser such as youtube
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| 12:31 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: I'm heaving some troubles with LTSP5 of gutsy...
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| 12:35 | sbalneav: With the defaul configuration (no /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf option) I can't get a shell console and the LocalDev doesn't work...
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| 12:36 | Maybe its a problem with kernel modules... I have an ERROR message like this:
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| 12:36 | !pastebot
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| 12:36 | <ltspbot`> Guaraldo: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 12:40 | <ltsppbot> "Guaraldo" pasted "Error message booting thinclients on LTSP5 (GUTSY version)" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/321
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| 12:43 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: any idea?
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| 12:44 | ogra: Are you there?
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| 12:57 | Is there anybody with opened eyes?
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> Guaraldo: Sorry, back from lunch
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| 13:10 | What kind of graphics card is it?
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| 13:13 | <Guaraldo> A Via Unichrome
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| 13:13 | sbalneav: Via unichrome...
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| 13:17 | <sbalneav> So X doen't launch at all?
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| 13:17 | I've got 3 boxes here that use the via chipset that work fine.
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| 13:20 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: It lunches, but with no mouse control and no shell console...
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| 13:21 | ltsp-update-image...
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| 13:23 | sbalneav: it seems to work now... but LocalDev is not working at all...
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> So, you've just got the X in the screen, with no graphical login greeter?
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| 13:24 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: not anymore...
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| 13:24 | <sbalneav> Ok, well, we had a bug with localdev that I fixed, and ogra hasn't synced yet.
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| 13:26 | So, you're logged in ?
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| 13:30 | <Guaraldo> yep...
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| 13:30 | <sbalneav> cool
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| 13:34 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: but I cant make USB devices work...
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| 13:41 | <Guaraldo> everything working fine now...
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| 13:42 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: /etc/init.d/ntp stop; ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com.br; ltsp-update-kernels; ltsp-update-image;
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> Guaraldo: So, how you finding it?
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| 14:39 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Pretty good... mutch faster than Python LDM...
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> Goo
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| 15:15 | d
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| 15:15 | lol
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| 15:49 | <sbalneav> prpplague: He's pretty busy these days, his own work's been heating up.
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| 15:56 | <prpplague> sbalneav: "own work" ?
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| 15:56 | sbalneav: disklessworkstations.com?
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| 16:15 | <sbalneav> McQuillan Systems
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| 16:19 | <prpplague> sbalneav: ahh, he still doing programming consulting? or more thin client stuff?
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| 16:20 | sbalneav: i knew he had been doing alot of consulting
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| 16:20 | sbalneav: atleast years and years and years ago
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| 16:20 | * prpplague remembers discovering ltsp back in 1999 | |
| 16:26 | <sbalneav> Consulting. He's an in demand kinda guy
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| 16:26 | Well, heading home for the day.
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| 16:27 | Be on later tonight.
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> well, got a powerpc to boot ... but it took like 10-20 minutes to get to the point where the kernel + initramfs downloaded ... and then it went reasonably fast and X didn't work.
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| 16:49 | cliebow: have you seen openfirmware stall for ridiculous amounts of time at each step of the netboot process ?
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| 16:52 | <prpplague> vagrantc: doing ltsp with a powerpc based device?
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> prpplague: yes
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| 16:53 | most of it works at least as good as anything, but the network boot with the one machine i've tried so far is dog slow
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| 16:53 | <sahil> im running ltsp 4.2 i have a non working server giving me udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 5929/xinetd
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| 16:54 | <prpplague> vagrantc: ahh, i thought i was only person that every used non-x86 devices with ltsp, hehe
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| 16:54 | <sahil> the working sever gives me udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 6186/in.tftpd
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| 16:54 | where do i change that last part?
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> prpplague: well, i just want to make sure the code still works
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| 16:54 | prpplague: i don't actually plan on using it
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| 16:55 | also have been collecting a few sparc machines ... and maybe can dig up some alphas
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| 16:56 | * prpplague used to use arm based devices with ltsp | |
| 16:56 | <vagrantc> otavio said he had some arm machines
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| 16:56 | never got around to trying them, though
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| 16:57 | <prpplague> later
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> sbalneav, ogra: so, it looks like configure_localdev is run from both ltsp-client-core and ltsp-client-setup init scripts ... i'm guessing it only needs to be in one.
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| 17:28 | <cliebow> vagrantc:heh either it works witnin ten seconds or never...
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| 17:28 | <cliebow> it seems very finicky about arp resolution
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| 17:29 | a new machine sometimes will take a while actually until it is cahced somewhere..then work quickly
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| 17:29 | a new machine sometimes will take a while actually until it is cahced somewhere..then work quickly
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> the first boot took so danged long, i didn;t want to risk rebooting the thing
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| 17:36 | <cliebow> heh..cant blame you..i HVAE seen that behavior
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| 17:41 | <Uranellus> hello, if I'm logged onto a ltsp client .. can I find it's (the actual client's) ip/hostname out?
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| 17:42 | if possible I need a solution for ltsp 4.2 and 5 ..
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| 17:57 | <vagrantc> Uranellus: from 4.2 you can use $DISPLAY, from 5 you can use $SSH_CONNECTION or some other $SSH variable
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| 17:59 | <Uranellus> vagrantc: though there is no solution that works for both, right?
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> Uranellus: correct.
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| 18:11 | <Uranellus> hm .. but I could distinguish, by checking wether $DISPLAY contains localhost or is empty .. then it's "probably" ltsp 5
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| 18:11 | <vagrantc> right
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| 18:12 | if [ -n "$SSH_CONNECTION" ] && [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then LTSP5 ; else FOO; fi
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| 18:13 | to do it the other way .. .though you might encounter situations where you're not running LTSP then ... i.e. you ssh -X into the box from a non-ltsp environment
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| 18:21 | <Uranellus> vagrantc: do you know how $DISPLAY would look like if one is connected through xdmcp (ltsp 4.2) ? sry, don't have a possiblilty to test right now (I'm at home)
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> Uranellus: $hostname_or_ip_address:0.0
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| 18:25 | <Uranellus> but not localhost right?
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> no, if you logged in locally it would usually be just ":0.0"
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| 18:26 | or something like
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| 18:26 | that
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| 19:00 | <vagrantc> !seen otavio
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| 19:00 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: otavio was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 6 hours, 10 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <otavio> vagrantc: debian-release but that the message [SRM] which means Stable Release Management
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| 19:06 | <Uranellus> if [[ -n "$SSH_CONNECTION" && -n "$DISPLAY" ]]; then
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| 19:06 | LTSP5
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| 19:06 | else if [[ -n "${DISPLAY%:*}" && "${DISPLAY%:*}" != "localhost" ]]
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| 19:06 | LTSP4
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| 19:06 | else
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| 19:06 | what ever
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| 19:06 | fi
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| 19:06 | I guess that'll do it ..
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| 19:07 | <vagrantc> the [[ ]] work ?
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| 19:10 | <Uranellus> I guess so
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| 19:10 | the problem is: ssh -X would pass on the first if
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> ah!
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| 19:11 | if [ -n "$LTSP_CLIENT" ] && [ -n "$SSH_CONNECTION" ]; then LTSP5
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> you can't get the ip address from $LTSP_CLIENT, but i *think* the variable should only be present if it's LTSP5
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| 19:13 | <Uranellus> vagrantc: sounds cool :)
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> klausade: new backport, same sources.list line ... deb http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/debian etch-backports/
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| 19:39 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 19:41 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: heya.
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| 19:41 | sbalneav: grep configure_localdev debian/ltsp-client*init
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| 19:41 | sbalneav: notice anything odd ?
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| 19:43 | <sbalneav> No
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| 19:43 | The one in init mkdirs the /var/run/drives, the other starts the daemon later in the process
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| 19:44 | If you'd like to merge them all in to one, we can.
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| 19:44 | Seeing as how one of them doesn't do all that much other than a mkdir.
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| 19:45 | <jimcooncat> can I set up an xnest on my standalone computer, and get a user screen on the LTSP server?
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| 19:46 | <sbalneav> Actually, with the new C cdpinger, I call add_fstab_entry, which does a mkdir -p on /var/run/drives/mount, so really, come next release, we could drop the mkdir altogether, as the first media mounted would make /var/run/drives.
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| 19:46 | jimcooncat: Probably. I've never tried.
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| 19:47 | <jimcooncat> want to know how to initiate a connection, please
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| 19:48 | <sbalneav> Don't know, off the top of my head.
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| 19:48 | Tried google?
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| 19:48 | xnest and ltsp return some hits.
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| 19:50 | <jimcooncat> I tried earlier, as now. All I see are questions, no answers...
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| 19:50 | I'm wondering if I'd be better served by a standalone, but the light clients work so well...
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| 19:51 | <jimcooncat> so that's why I come to the source
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| 19:52 | I'm unsure how I could vnc into it, but I suppose I could start vnc while in a session, and leave it open?
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| 19:53 | I can't see why it would be a netboot or nothing situation, don't people have remote access?
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| 19:56 | I tried doing a netboot through qemu running on my machine, but it looks like I didn't have a recent enough version from the Fiesty repositories
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| 19:57 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yea, i like the sounds of the new cdpinger stuff
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| 20:02 | <sbalneav> I gotta fork off a new tree this weekend, get that and the new jetpipe in there.
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| 20:04 | <jimcooncat> sorry sbalneav didn't know you was interested thank
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| 20:05 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 20:05 | well, here's the quck and dirty way
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| 20:06 | gross, but workable
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| 20:06 | On your
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| 20:06 | display box
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| 20:06 | Do a:
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| 20:06 | Xnest -ac :1
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| 20:06 | That'll open up the xnest server
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| 20:06 | <jimcooncat> ok that would run xnest without access on display 1
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| 20:07 | <sbalneav> now, ssh into your other server
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| 20:07 | <jimcooncat> without access control that is
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| 20:07 | <sbalneav> and do a:
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| 20:07 | DISPLAY=<firstmachineip>:1 /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 20:07 | <jimcooncat> ok, got that
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| 20:08 | but does that get me into the machine proper, or into the LTSP chroot environment?
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| 20:09 | <sbalneav> It'll give you a session on the remote machine in the xnest window.
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| 20:09 | <jimcooncat> maybe chroot first, then run the Xsession? that might work
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| 20:10 | <sbalneav> WHat do you need the chroot for?
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| 20:10 | You said you wanted to use Xnest on one machine to get a session on the other machine.
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| 20:10 | the chroot doesn't enter into it.
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| 20:10 | that's only for the thin client.
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| 20:10 | <jimcooncat> I want to have the same screen as if I booted from one of the thin clients -- isn't that a different environment?
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| 20:11 | <sbalneav> no
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| 20:11 | that gets you exactly the same thing
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| 20:11 | <jimcooncat> oh god I was confused
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| 20:11 | <sbalneav> except in an xnest window.
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| 20:11 | <jimcooncat> shoot, thank you, I would have done that if I wasn't barking up the wrong tree here
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| 20:12 | I thought I would have different apps available and /etc
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| 20:12 | <sbalneav> no
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| 20:13 | logging in on a thin client's exactly the same as logging in on the console.
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| 20:13 | <jimcooncat> then I must have been looking at the files that just run the thin clients x server
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| 20:13 | <sbalneav> you'll get the same apps, etc.
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| 20:13 | <jimcooncat> you've been a world of help, I can get on with it now. thank you sbalneav
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| 20:14 | <sbalneav> np
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| 22:19 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, you on?
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| 22:46 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: Yes
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| 22:51 | <joebob777as7_> hey so if i wanted to install nvidia restricted drivers would i just chroot into dir and install normally?
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| 22:52 | <sbalneav> Should, although I've never installed the nvidia drivers, I've never had an nvidia card
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| 22:52 | So I can't say for sure.
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| 22:54 | <joebob777as7_> also how do i make it so the amd64 clients boot correctly and the i386 clients boot on the same server?
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| 22:54 | <sbalneav> As usual, the answer is: why not try it and see? :)
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| 22:54 | <joebob777as7_> yeah i'm just an hour away from my server now and wanted to know. ;)
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| 22:55 | <sbalneav> You'd have to serve out the amd64 image on a different port than the i386 image, and set pxe boot options for the amd64 clients to set nbdroot=<ip:port>
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| 22:56 | But really, even with 64 bit clients, you won't get much speed improvement over running them in 32 bit mode.
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| 22:56 | Your network's the limiting factor.
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| 22:56 | <joebob777as7_> ok so it'd be fine to run them all on i386?
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| 22:58 | <sbalneav> As thin clients, yeah. I mean, past a certain point, your network becomes the speed limiter.
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| 22:58 | <joebob777as7_> do you know if there is a driver white list anywhere? because when i tried to run compiz it says that the driver is not whitelisted
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| 22:59 | <sbalneav> No idea. I know nothing about compiz.
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| 23:02 | * sbalneav enables desktop effects | |
| 23:02 | <sbalneav> Oh, look! No window borders
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| 23:02 | * sbalneav disables compiz | |
| 23:03 | <sbalneav> yep, better off not knowing.
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| 23:03 | <joebob777as7_> but do the affects still work without the borders?
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| 23:03 | if so the border problem is easy to fix
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| 23:04 | <sbalneav> Dude, any WINDOW MANAGER that can't MANAGE WINDOWS right out of the gate, isn't worth my time and effort.
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| 23:05 | <joebob777as7_> lol ok ok i get it you hate compiz
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| 23:05 | <sbalneav> Don't hate it.
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| 23:05 | it JUST DOESN'T WORK.
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| 23:51 | <mistik1> sbalneav: not so, works fine if you bother to setup your gl implementation properly
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| 23:51 | Its not a just start me wm
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