IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 September 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:10 | <nosedrum> hi there
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| 07:12 | i migrate 15 server from 9.04 to 10.4.3
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| 07:12 | 13 without prolem
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| 07:12 | 2 of them made this:
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| 07:12 | after the first migration from 9.04 to 9.10
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| 07:12 | the client have message at logon
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| 07:12 | "can connect to server - restarting"
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| 07:13 | normally a "sshkey + update-image " solve this
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| 07:13 | but after the update-image
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| 07:13 | the client goes to busy box
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| 07:15 | conclusion: why ltsp-update-image make the client fail into a initramfs busy box
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| 07:15 | in 9.10
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| 07:15 | seems to be in relation why inetd / xinetd ?
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| 07:20 | ... i understand my issue is strange ... but i have 70 more servers to upgrade and seems to be not stable....
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> Do you have xinetd in your other servers?
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| 07:37 | And, what is the error message on the client, before dropping to busybox?
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| 07:47 | <nosedrum> no init found trying passing bootarg
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> And the first question?
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| 07:51 | <nosedrum> ( sorry i'm on site for re install a ltsp server )
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| 07:52 | have a arp timeout on tftp
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| 07:52 | ...
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> np I'm about to leave anyway
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| 08:01 | <nosedrum> back
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| 08:02 | my fresh install of ltsp is stuck with a no init found trying passing bootarg
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| 08:02 | busy box
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| 08:04 | <alkisg> Put break=bottom, and see the contents of /root in busybox
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| 08:04 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 08:04 | <alkisg> They should be the same as the contents of /opt/ltsp/i386 in your servedr
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| 08:04 | *server
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| 08:04 | <nosedrum> in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default or /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default-org
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| 08:05 | <alkisg> The first one
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| 08:05 | The second shouldn't matter
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| 08:06 | Btw is your each server separate from the others?
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| 08:06 | Or are you doing some form of load balancing, like ltsp-cluster?
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| 08:06 | <nosedrum> no
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| 08:06 | one only server
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| 08:06 | now i have
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| 08:07 | spawning sheel iniramfs
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| 08:07 | and ls / root in busy box return no data
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| 08:08 | <alkisg> No space there
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| 08:08 | ls /root
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| 08:09 | Also: grep nbd /proc/mounts
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| 08:10 | <nosedrum> ls /root
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| 08:10 | cow rofs
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| 08:10 | <alkisg> Good
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| 08:10 | and the grep above should say /root/cow
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| 08:10 | err
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| 08:10 | /root/rofs
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| 08:11 | Now, ls /root/rofs
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| 08:12 | <nosedrum> grep = no result
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| 08:12 | <alkisg> Wait, what?!
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| 08:12 | Are you sure that this returns no result? grep nbd /proc/mounts
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| 08:13 | <nosedrum> sure
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| 08:13 | and ls /root/rofs => empty
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| 08:13 | <alkisg> Run: nbd-client 1.2.3.4 2000 /dev/nbd0
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| 08:13 | Where 1.2.3.4 is your server ip
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| 08:13 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 08:15 | spam of I/O error
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> Is that the same server where yesterday you told me that you saw "nbd client... negotiating... size: 456123 kb" ?
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| 08:15 | <nosedrum> unable to read partition table
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| 08:15 | no
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| 08:15 | it's a new server
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| 08:15 | freshly masterised
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| 08:15 | i just rsync /home from older to this new
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| 08:16 | to recup users data
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> On the server, try: sudo mount -o loop /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /mnt && ls /mnt && sudo umount /mnt
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| 08:16 | See if the i386.img is correct
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| 08:16 | <nosedrum> 2 sec i connect my laptop near the client
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> Then grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 08:16 | <nosedrum> i deco reco back in few seconds
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| 08:19 | back
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| 08:20 | root@ltsp_a06:~# mount -o loop /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /mnt && ls /mnt && sudo umount /mnt
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| 08:20 | bin dev home media opt root selinux sys usr
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| 08:20 | boot etc lib mnt proc sbin srv tmp var
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| 08:20 | sudo: unable to resolve host ltsp_a06
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| 08:20 | ho !
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| 08:20 | my /etc/hosts file
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| 08:21 | no
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| 08:21 | i coorect my /etc/hosts file entry
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| 08:21 | no more change
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| 08:21 | root@ltsp_a06:~# mount -o loop /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /mnt && ls /mnt && sudo umount /mnt
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| 08:21 | bin dev home media opt root selinux sys usr
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| 08:21 | boot etc lib mnt proc sbin srv tmp var
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| 08:22 | <alkisg> (11:16:46 πμ) alkisg: Then grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 08:22 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a06:~# grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 08:22 | #9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 08:22 | 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> OK, now: grep nbd /var/log/daemon.log | tail
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| 08:23 | That's not a new installation btw
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| 08:23 | Unless you commented out swap yourself
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| 08:23 | <nosedrum> it's my master image
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| 08:23 | freshly put on this new server
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 08:24 | The hardware doesn't matter
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| 08:24 | We're talking about the software...
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| 08:24 | Please don't tell me you have xinetd on that too
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| 08:25 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a06:~# /etc/init.d/xinetd status
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| 08:25 | * xinetd is running
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| 08:25 | -___-
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| 08:25 | 10.4.3 ?
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> OK, we should stop trying to debug your copies
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| 08:25 | And try to debug your "master image" instead
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| 08:25 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> Otherwise we'll just do the same things 50 times, for each server
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| 08:26 | <nosedrum> apt-get install inetd ?
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> Read the logs from yesterday
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| 08:26 | irclogs.ltsp.org
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| 08:31 | <nosedrum_> back
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| 08:31 | i don't see irclogs.ltsp.org
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> http://irclogs.ltsp.org
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| 08:32 | It's a web site
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| 08:32 | <nosedrum_> ok
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| 08:32 | apt-get install openbsd-inetd ?
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| 08:32 | go for that ?
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> See the chat we did yesterday, that will save us some time
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| 08:32 | So that we don't do it again today :)
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| 08:33 | <nosedrum_> we made so many things yesterday
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| 08:33 | in don't understand with inet -> xinetd from 9.04 to 10.4.3 and xinetd working in 10.4.3 masters...
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| 08:33 | anyway in put the apt-get install openbsd-inetd
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| 08:35 | i'll go crazy
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| 08:36 | inetd installed but same thing
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| 08:36 | busy box
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| 08:36 | ltsp-update-image --force ?
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| 08:43 | no more change....
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| 08:43 | users are on me
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| 08:43 | 1.5 day of non production...
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| 08:43 | :(
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| 08:44 | i do theses thinigs:
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| 08:44 | apt-get install openbsd-inetd
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| 08:44 | and
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| 08:44 | ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 08:44 | ans
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| 08:44 | and
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| 08:45 | ltsp-update-image -a i386 --force
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> Reboot the server as well, because I'm not sure how good xinetd.postrm and openbsd-inetd.postinst are, and after reboot verify that netstat -nap | grep :2000 lists the tcp daemon
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| 08:53 | <nosedrum_> ok
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| 08:55 | -__-
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| 08:55 | same error
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| 08:55 | no init found
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| 08:56 | root@ltsp_a06:~# netstat -nap | grep :2000
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| 08:56 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1129/inetd
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| 08:56 | tcp 0 0 192.168.6.1:2000 192.168.6.51:37893 ESTABLISHED 2271/sh
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> nosedrum_: did you verify what I said about netstat?
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| 08:56 | Good
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| 08:56 | <nosedrum_> tcp deamon ok
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> See that "established" there?
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| 08:56 | <nosedrum_> it's the client
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| 08:56 | but he's on busy box
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> Now if you do all the steps on the client that I told you an hour ago, we'll see what the client sees
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| 08:57 | <nosedrum_> "not init found"
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> I.e. break=bottom, ls /root/rofs etc
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| 08:57 | <nosedrum_> i do
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| 08:57 | rofs empty
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| 08:57 | it is exactly the same thing
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> And grep nbd /proc/mounts also empty?
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| 08:58 | <nosedrum_> same
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| 08:58 | empty
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> What is the kernel version on the client? uname -a
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| 08:58 | And, what is its command line? cat /proc/cmdline
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| 08:59 | <nosedrum_> 2.6.28-11
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> That's not a lucid kernel
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| 08:59 | Lucid has 2.6.32
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> ltsp-update-image --force updates the kernels too
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| 09:00 | So if you have 2.6.28, maybe you're not using the correct server for tftp
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| 09:00 | Or, you still have a 9.04 chroot, and not a 10.04 one
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| 09:01 | What's the output of this? ls /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/vmlinuz*
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| 09:02 | <nosedrum_> root@ltsp_a06:/vmware/Virtual Machines/VMGestCom# ls /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/vmlinuz*
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| 09:02 | /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/vmlinuz /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic
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| 09:02 | <alkisg> Right, old chroot
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| 09:02 | Delete it and run ltsp-build-client from the start
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| 09:02 | cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/issue
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| 09:03 | That will tell you the chroot version you have, 9.04 or 9.10
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| 09:04 | 9.04, I believe
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| 09:04 | When you upgrade LTSP servers, it's suggested to delete your chroot and create a new one from scratch, with ltsp-build-client
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| 09:05 | <nosedrum_> root@ltsp_a06:/vmware/Virtual Machines/VMGestCom# cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/issue
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| 09:05 | Ubuntu 9.04 \n \l
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| 09:05 | root@ltsp_a06:/vmware/Virtual Machines/VMGestCom# cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/issue
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| 09:05 | Ubuntu 9.04 \n \l
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| 09:05 | ok
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| 09:05 | let's go
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> Yes, I'm going. bbl, good luck :)
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| 09:50 | <garymc> bollocks
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| 09:50 | missed Alkisg then
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| 09:50 | You here Hyperbyte?
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| 09:58 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, what's up?
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| 10:00 | <garymc> Tha stuff I got off alkisg for making Chromium the defauklt browser on all Clients didnt work :(
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| 10:01 | the one i done in chroot and then update-ltsp-image
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| 10:01 | didnt work
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| 10:02 | <Hyperbyte> What command did you run exactly?
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| 10:02 | I never saw your actual Firefox problems by the way
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| 10:02 | In the 2nd screenshot the page was scrolled down a bit, other than that I didn't see what you mean.
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| 10:05 | <garymc> well its just having problems, chrome works great
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| 10:07 | ill have to check logs
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| 10:08 | ok I ran this in chroot
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| 10:08 | gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command 'chromium-browser "%s"'
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| 10:08 | then I updated image
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| 10:08 | but still when my clients click on their launchers, Firefox loads up
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| 10:10 | <Hyperbyte> That's url-handler, not launcher.
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| 10:10 | <garymc> so what do I need to change
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| 10:10 | <Hyperbyte> URL handler is tested by opening a run-dialog (alt+f2) and typing http://www.ltsp.org/
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| 10:10 | <garymc> like xdg-open?
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| 10:10 | <Hyperbyte> If that opens in Chrome, the url-handler is correctly set to chrome. It means that when someone clicks a link, it opens in the browser of your choice rather than Firefox.
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| 10:10 | As for the launchers, you'll have to just edit those.
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| 10:11 | I think so, anyways.
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| 10:11 | But that's a different issue.
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| 10:23 | <garymc> So I can create a new launcher
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| 10:23 | and edit it in what way?
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| 10:24 | yeah runing that command via alt-f2 loads in chrome
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| 10:25 | I just need to know how to make the launcher load chrome
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| 11:41 | <manU_> hello
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| 11:41 | I have a error on client boot : failed to connect to nbd server
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| 11:42 | i have rebuilt client
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| 11:42 | image
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| 11:42 | and initramfs -u
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| 11:42 | no more idea
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| 11:42 | any suggestion ?
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| 11:45 | the port 2000 is LISTEN state in a netstat
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| 11:47 | i also test to modify my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:47 | from nbdport=2000 to nbdroot=x.x.x.x:2000
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| 11:47 | no change
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| 12:00 | <manU_> anyone ?
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| 12:19 | <Hyperbyte> nbdroot=x.x.x.x:2000?
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| 12:19 | Why on earth did you do that?
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| 12:19 | I would move as much configuration back to how it originally was
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| 12:20 | And run ltsp-update-image --force
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| 12:20 | See if that helps.
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| 12:26 | <Hyperbyte> Also, try telnetting to the server from a client on port 2000. telnet <server ip> 2000
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| 12:26 | See if that connects. If it doesn't, I'd investigate a possible firewall.
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| 12:51 | <muppis> How I can send message to any logged in user?
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> Without having anything installed, like italc etc?
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| 12:52 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> Graphical or text?
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| 12:52 | <muppis> Graphical, like with zenity.
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> OK, let me pastebin you a sample script...
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| 12:53 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/689972/
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| 12:53 | Of course you'll need sudo to run it
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| 12:53 | <muppis> Sure thing. Thanks.
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> Welcome
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| 12:58 | <muppis> Neat. :)
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| 13:27 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 13:27 | <pscheie> good morning jammcq
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> Hi jammcq
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| 13:28 | <jammcq> hey, David Trask is coming to BTS :)
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| 13:29 | <shawnp0wers> David Trask, Jim McQuillan… it feels like a reunion up in here. ;)
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| 13:29 | <dberkholz> should've scheduled it for oct 8-9, i would've been nearby already
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| 13:29 | <jammcq> hey shawnp0wers
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| 13:29 | <shawnp0wers> Howdy. :)
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| 13:29 | <jammcq> sorry to hear you can't come talk at our user group in october. Hopefully next spring
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| 13:30 | we had Marcel here a few days ago talking. went really well
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| 13:32 | <pscheie> cool!
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| 13:37 | <jammcq> hey, today is dtrasks birthday!
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| 13:38 | <pscheie> how old?
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| 13:38 | <jammcq> dunno
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| 13:38 | he doesn't hshow that on facebook
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| 13:38 | <pscheie> I think he's older than he looks, a certain Dorian Gray aspect about him. :-)
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| 13:40 | <shawnp0wers> jammcq: yeah, I'm still adjusting to a new boss. Hopefully this spring he'll know I'm not going on a vacation, but rather to something beneficial to my job. :)
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| 13:41 | <jammcq> shawnp0wers: I'm sure it'll all work out. Or... you'll find a new job :)
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| 13:41 | <shawnp0wers> Glad Marcel was able to come down. :)
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| 13:41 | hehehe — he's already coming around. I think technology scares him, because he knows enough to know how much you have to trust your tech guy...
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> dgroos: hey there, which ubuntu version are you using this year?
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| 13:58 | <dgroos> alkisg: howdy!
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| 13:58 | 10.04
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| 13:58 | Seems to be working well.
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> We're preparing the new sch-scripts version, probably to be called "panoptes" now, and are looking for testers + english lang proof readers... :)
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| 13:58 | Do you use sch-scripts currently?
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| 13:58 | <dgroos> Funny you should just ask that...
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> Hehe, don't tell me you had bugs to report? :D
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| 13:59 | <dgroos> I was re-reading a copy of an irc conversation about using ssh-scripts on fat clients...
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| 13:59 | no :)
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> Using them with fat clients should be straightforward; the difficult part is that the teacher himself can't be at a fat client, he needs to be at a thin or at the server. Or use remoteapps.
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| 14:00 | <dgroos> A task I need to do is make it so that the ssh -X access from the fat clients is a menu option on the fat client and am trying to figure that out right now.
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> Why ssh -X instead of remoteapps?
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| 14:01 | <dgroos> So yes, I'd be more than happy to help test, check you uses of anglish.
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 14:01 | Do you use the "server" or "user" menus?
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| 14:01 | Because those require sudo, and we're trying to avoid the need for sudo
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| 14:01 | We'll split sudo tasks in another tool
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| 14:01 | (that's to be called sch-scripts)
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| 14:02 | <dgroos> I just read further in the conversation and saw about remote-apps… :D
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| 14:02 | which, worked out great as I recall, now.
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> So, a teacher won't be able to run the menu for ltsp-update-image or for ltsp-enter-chroot, those will be reserved for sysadmins that have root access on the server
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| 14:03 | (of course teachers can also be sysadmins, but still they'll need to use the separate tool)
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| 14:03 | So the new interface won't have the "server" and "users" menus
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| 14:03 | <dgroos> yes, actually I did use that menu--really appreciated it cuz I could forget about the ltsp-update-image command and the command to enter the chroot, too :)
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| 14:04 | That is good, actually, put the tools in reach of those who need them...
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| 14:05 | alkisg: Thought of a name… "MYCC" pronounced, "Mike". It's a friendly name.
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> Hmmm then until the separation is finished, maybe you should stick with the old version - and only check the strings in the new one, if you'd like to help
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| 14:06 | What is "MYCC"?
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| 14:06 | <dgroos> Manage Your Classroom Computers :D
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte suggested that we should avoid classroom/teachers/schools in the software description, menus etc
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> So that it can be used in other areas too
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| 14:07 | And yeah that makes sense...
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| 14:07 | "Project your screen", "Monitor user screens", not mentioning teachers/students anywhere
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| 14:07 | <dgroos> Sure, in the Apple world they call it, "Apple Remote Desktop", or ARD for short.
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| 14:08 | I'll keep thinking...
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> I too like the acronyms idea though
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| 14:11 | <dgroos> So, what can I do to help with panoptes?
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> If you install it currently in your production server, you'll lose the "server" and "users" menu...
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| 14:11 | So I guess you could only help with the english texts, if you like
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| 14:12 | Then we'll translate them to greek, and markit to italian
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| 14:15 | <dgroos> While I like gui's, I'm fine with ltsp-update-image and ltsp-enter-chroot (btw, what's the command to enter the chroot, ltsp-enter-chroot didn't work for me when I tested it right now…)
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> In sch-scripts we have a hidden ltsp-enter-chroot somewhere,
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| 14:15 | but then ltsp-chroot got upstream, so better download + use that one
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| 14:15 | !ltsp-chroot
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| 14:15 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-chroot: you can download ltsp-chroot from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot
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| 14:16 | <dgroos> I'd be happy to translate and test.
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> ..and put it to /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot
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| 14:16 | <dgroos> Thanks.
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> Thank you :) I'll tell Phantomas to send you the 2 debs when he has them ready.
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| 14:16 | <dgroos> For sure!
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| 14:42 | <dgroos> alkisg: after putting file into /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot do I need to reboot? also, since it's located on an arch64 machine do I need to specify --arch 32 every time I use it?
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> Hi, everyone
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| 15:22 | <mgariepy> hi Gadi
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| 15:22 | how do you do?
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> Ive been told I do quite well at times
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| 15:24 | :)
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| 15:25 | <jammcq> that's what she said
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> of course, everyone has his days
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| 15:25 | :)
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| 15:33 | <dgroos> I've got an application, "CmapTools" that I've been trying to show up in a menu so students can access it there.
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| 15:34 | I was successful in adding menu items in local apps but seems it is harder in fat clients? Anyone done this?
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> dgroos: running locally on the client or remotely on the server?
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| 15:36 | <dgroos> running locally on client--fatclients.
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| 15:36 | <Gadi> ah, one way is to just drop a desktop file in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/applications
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| 15:36 | (and update the image)
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| 15:37 | <dgroos> let me check what I tried already...
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| 15:40 | <mgariepy> dgroos, if the desktop file is there, the problem is probably the categories in the desktop file, depending where you want to put it, you might need to ""update"" the desktop file to match path in the menu.
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| 15:42 | <dgroos> Gadi: Yes, I did that, and also configuring the /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu as described on this page: http://tuxtweaks.com/2009/07/how-to-add-item-gnome-menu/
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| 15:43 | mgariepy: update the desktop?
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| 15:43 | interesting, that sounds right...
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| 15:44 | after doing everything on the page mentioned above, it wouldn't work unless I opened the applications.menu file in an editor, then closed it. It would work until I logged out.
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| 15:45 | mgariepy: How do you 'update' the desktop?
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| 15:45 | <mgariepy> the menu is built out of different desktop files, for application in internet for example, all desktop file that have the Network category are added to the menu
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| 15:45 | where do you want to put cmaptool ?
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| 15:46 | and can you pastebin cmaptool desktop file ?
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| 15:47 | <dgroos> I edited the Graphics menu...
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| 15:49 | it's here… http://pastebin.com/s5TXE9SJ
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| 15:50 | <mgariepy> Categories=Graphics;
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| 15:50 | i think this is the only thin missing the """;"""
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| 15:52 | try to edit it on the booted fat client and see if it appear in the menu.
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| 15:53 | <dgroos> Unfortunately, I'm not at the lab. But, I'm editing this right now, will update client and call in to a teacher to test it.
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| 15:54 | Thanks mgariepy, the turn-around on this test will be slow :) But, I'll let you know either way when I find out.
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| 15:54 | And thanks Gadi for getting the ball rolling!
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| 15:57 | <mgariepy> dgroos, you are welcome
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| 15:57 | i'm pretty sure it will work :D
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| 15:58 | dgroos, do you have ssh access to your chroot ?
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> heh
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| 15:58 | sorry bout that
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| 15:58 | :)
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| 15:58 | stupid distracting work
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| 15:58 | <mgariepy> dgroos, you can run : python /usr/share/doc/python-gmenu/gnome-menu-ls.py
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| 15:59 | this will display the gnome menu in text format.
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| 15:59 | <Gadi> huh - there's a neat trick
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| 16:04 | <garymc> Hyperbyte alkisg : So do you know how I make the launchers load chromium?
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> garymc: I don't even know about which launchers you're talking about
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| 16:04 | If you mean some custom made launchers of yours, well, just change them or make new ones
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| 16:05 | <dgroos> had stepped out...
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> 14:42<dgroos> alkisg: after putting file into /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot do I need to reboot? also, since it's located on an arch64 machine do I need to specify --arch 32 every time I use it? => no, and no
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| 16:06 | <dgroos> mgariepy: yes I can (especially if I can get alkisg's ltsp-enter-chroot to work...
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> You don't need ltsp-enter-chroot - just run `sudo ltsp-chroot -c -p`
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| 16:07 | <dgroos> ahh… I thought it was sudo ltsp-enter-chroot :)
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| 16:08 | ERROR: ltsp chroot not found: /opt/ltsp/amd64 ?
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> ltsp-enter-chroot is a hidden script of the "sch-scripts" package. Later on I rewrote most of the upstream ltsp-chroot, so it's better to use that one instead
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| 16:08 | And is there a chroot there?
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| 16:08 | ls /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 16:09 | <dgroos> No, /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> Did you get the latest ltsp-chroot?
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| 16:09 | !ltsp-chroot
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| 16:09 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-chroot: you can download ltsp-chroot from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot
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| 16:10 | <dgroos> I went to the link you gave, clicked on download and got from there… I'll try again.
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> ltsp-chroot should automatically select (a) your server's architecture, or (b) if that /opt/ltsp/amd64 dir doesn't exist, the first available one
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| 16:11 | But it's surely possible that it has bugs, so if it persists, let's share a screen and debug it
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| 16:11 | <dgroos> or instead of download file, should I copy and paste into a file?
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| 16:12 | <alkisg> Any of those should do, as long as you don't copy html code instead :)
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| 16:13 | If you already downloaded it, it's possible that it has a bug
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| 16:13 | <dgroos> also, I move the downloaded file from my mac, through dropbox to my server at school. I'll try it more directly, right from the server.
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> If you plan on using wget, it can be tricky with launchpad
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| 16:14 | You need the direct download link, and to put quotes around it, wget 'url'
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| 16:15 | dgroos: what's the output of this command? ls /opt/ltsp
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| 16:16 | <dgroos> i386 images
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> It should automatically select i386 then.... want to share a screen to debug this?
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| 16:17 | <dgroos> sure. Just finishing testing the newly installed copy...
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> OK, if the problem persists, on your server (via ssh, vnc, whatever) do:
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| 16:18 | sudo apt-get --yes install socat screen
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| 16:18 | socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1 && exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
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| 16:18 | <garymc> alkisg I make them in the GNOME how do I define CHROMIUM in them?
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> garymc: upload a launcher in pastebin so that we can see its contents
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| 16:19 | If you don't know how to do that, drag the launcher in gedit
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| 16:20 | <garymc> upload it? I make them in the GUI
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| 16:20 | ahhh ok
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> Launchers are text files
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| 16:20 | Even if you use GUI to make them
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| 16:20 | You can edit them with gedit, and you can upload them to pastebin so that we can see their contents
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| 16:20 | <dgroos> (test gave same results) OK, did...
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| 16:21 | on the server or local?
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| 16:21 | <alkisg> dgroos: put your pass there
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| 16:21 | The server
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| 16:21 | You're using ssh, no?
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| 16:21 | ok
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| 16:21 | <dgroos> si...
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| 16:22 | <garymc> http://pastebin.com/TuSnEYw8
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| 16:23 | alkisg ^
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| 16:23 | <dgroos> for sure :)
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> dgroos: you had another one in /usr/bin
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| 16:27 | It was different, maybe older, I didn't look at its contents
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| 16:27 | <dgroos> hmmm… OK
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> Deleting it make /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot work fine
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| 16:27 | *made
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| 16:27 | <dgroos> cool. Thanks!
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> np
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| 16:29 | garymc: it looks like gnome has a bug and doesn't respect the preferred apps in launchers
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| 16:29 | So, create other launchers
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| 16:29 | Not links, but command launchers
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| 16:30 | <garymc> how do i do them?
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| 16:30 | !command launchers
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| 16:30 | <ltsp> garymc: Error: "command" is not a valid command.
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| 16:30 | <garymc> !launchers
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| 16:30 | <ltsp> garymc: Error: "launchers" is not a valid command.
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> garymc: and put "xdg-open url" as the command
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| 16:30 | <garymc> ok where do I add that?
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> Right click on desktop, select "create launcher", and put the "xdg-open url" command there
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| 16:31 | In your desktop
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| 16:31 | <garymc> before the URL?
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> xdg-open http://www.topsecret.com
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| 16:31 | <garymc> i tried that and it failed
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| 16:32 | ill try again
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| 16:33 | doesnt work
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| 16:33 | I create launcher and select location. Is that right?
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> No
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| 16:33 | The location launchers have a bug
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| 16:33 | And don't use the preferred user apps
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| 16:34 | Use a command launcher instead, I don't have english menus but you should see something similar
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| 16:34 | <garymc> ahh ok that works
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| 16:34 | Cheers
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> :)
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| 16:34 | <garymc> ill set them now
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| 16:34 | :)
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> And you should also file a bug for the location launchers not respecting the preferred user apps
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| 16:40 | <garymc> ok Unlock Login Keyring keeps coming up for Chromium as well :(
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> Yes, ldm doesn't unlock the user keyrings like gdm
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| 16:41 | You need a keyring with an empty password there
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| 16:41 | <dgroos> mgariepy: OK, finished updating image. I tried the command and said:
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| 16:41 | python: can't open file '/usr/share/doc/python-gmenu/gnome-menu-ls.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
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| 16:42 | I did this command while in the chroot…
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| 16:48 | <garymc> Also I added a printer on my user gary. I thought cos I was Sudo user all users would have that printer on their FAT client like they did on the Thin clients
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| 16:48 | why is it not showing on other FAT's
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| 16:48 | ?
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| 16:52 | <dgroos> mgariepy: I did check and that file does indeed exist in the chroot...
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| 16:54 | oh -- actually it is located at: /usr/share/doc/python-gmenu/examples/gnome-menus-ls.py and that worked :)
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| 16:54 | <wolf1161> talntid
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| 16:55 | <dgroos> and it does show up there so I'll check and see if it works.
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| 17:03 | <mgariepy> /usr/share/doc/python-gmenu/examples/gnome-menus-ls.py
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| 17:03 | lol
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| 17:03 | missed a directory but i was kinda close :)
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| 18:08 | <mgariepy> Gadi, have you ever seen ldm starting but not running the script in /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/I* ?
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| 18:09 | or anyone else... :)
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| 18:14 | <Gadi> mgariepy: check out the run_parts_list function
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| 18:14 | there was a period of time when that was broken
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| 18:14 | (by me /blush)
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| 18:15 | (that function is in ltsp-common-functions)
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| 18:15 | <mgariepy> Gadi, ok but was it randomly working ?
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| 18:16 | i boot/reboot and at some point it doesn't work but i reboot and it works.
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| 18:40 | <Gadi> ?
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| 18:41 | thats odd
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| 18:45 | <jammcq> even
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| 18:46 | <mgariepy> yeah indeed
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| 18:46 | seams to be a cluster-related issue.
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| 19:04 | <damormino> Hello. I just installed LTSP on Ubuntu Oneiric beta-1. I cannot log on from the client. I get the message: :FATAL: Error inserting ramzswap (/lib/modules/3.0.0.9-generic/kernel/ubuntu/compcache/ramzswap.ko): Invalid module format" Can I work around this?
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| 19:05 | <Gadi> damormino: that's for COMPCACHE
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| 19:05 | you should be able to disable compcache ... /me needs to figure out where
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| 19:06 | maybe comment out COMPCACHE_SIZE in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
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| 19:07 | and do: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u
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| 19:07 | and: sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 19:08 | OR try: nocompcache as a kernel param
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| 19:11 | <stgraber> that compcache fatal error is in fact just a warning, it should still boot fine and work even when showing it
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| 19:11 | compcache got entirely removed from the kernel last week, so I expect that message to go away in beta2
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| 19:17 | <damormino> OK. Here is what is happening. The client boots to the login screen (greeter?). I log in as a new user with my username and password. The mouse cursor spins to show progress login in, but it just keeps spinning. The desktop does not appear. On the LTSP server, the home directory was created for the user, and the "users" command shows the user logged in. Back on the client, Ctrl-Alt-F1, shows the FATAL message above. Any ideas?
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| 19:19 | <Gadi> !disable-compiz
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| 19:19 | <ltsp> Gadi: disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 19:19 | <Gadi> damormino: try that maybe
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| 19:19 | or it could be a problem with unity
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| 20:00 | <TheMatrix3000> hey guys
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| 20:07 | How would I lock down Chrome in an LTSP environment?
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| 20:08 | <Hyperbyte> "lock down"?
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| 20:10 | <shawnp0wers> TheMatrix3000: I don't know for Chrome, but I figured out Firefox, and posted it at Linux Journal… http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/lock-firefox-6-prefs-also-versions-3-4-5
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| 20:11 | A real PITA, but possible.
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| 20:13 | <TheMatrix3000> Yes, I have done it in firefox, it wasn't to difficult. I did make a script however to keep the firefox 6 preference locked down even when i update ltsp
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| 20:13 | :)
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| 20:13 | Hyperbyte: when I mean "lock down" i mean make it so the users cannot modify certain settings in Chrome such as proxy settings.
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| 20:14 | <Hyperbyte> Ah
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| 20:14 | <TheMatrix3000> ;)
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| 20:14 | <Hyperbyte> In that case, you should really try asking in #ubuntu
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| 20:14 | Because that's not LTSP related, and you'll find a much broader community to help you there. :)
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| 20:15 | <shawnp0wers> TheMatrix3000: Maybe not difficult, but a PITA. :)
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| 20:15 | <shawnp0wers> If you figure it out, let me know and I'll post a followup on LJ
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| 20:15 | Giving you all the credit and fame that goes along with such a discovery. :D
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| 20:15 | <TheMatrix3000> WOOHOO! I got my 8GB RAM now my LTSP server will have 16GB RAM
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| 20:16 | <Hyperbyte> Yay.
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| 20:16 | <shawnp0wers> [disclaimer: actual fame and riches are not as impressive as one might think]
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| 20:17 | <TheMatrix3000> shawnp0wers: all i want is respect
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| 20:17 | lol
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| 20:17 | F&F quote
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| 20:17 | <shawnp0wers> This is the Internet, I dont' think respect exists here… ;)
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| 20:20 | <TheMatrix3000> Yea, talk about it lol, you have people like Comodo Hacker http://pastebin.com/74KXCaEZ
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| 20:21 | he is extremely full of himself
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| 20:24 | <TheMatrix3000> shawnp0wers: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=32f0795c65417419&hl=en
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| 20:24 | it is answered here
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| 20:25 | <shawnp0wers> that looks like per user
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| 20:26 | <TheMatrix3000> you could make a script?
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| 20:26 | and do it only once
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| 20:27 | <shawnp0wers> but then people can't change other settings, if you make it so they can't access their files
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| 20:27 | I mean *any* settings
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| 20:27 | <TheMatrix3000> it's not stored in one file
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| 20:27 | its many files
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| 20:28 | <shawnp0wers> ahh, well I guess it's sort of a fix, but a global method is really what I was thinking
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| 20:29 | Firefox, while frustrating, does make it possible
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| 20:30 | <damormino> Gadi and stgraber: RE: LTSP on Oneiric troubles. Still not working, but have not finished trying your suggestions. Will report soon. Thank you very much.
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| 20:31 | FYI: I have been running LTSP on Ubuntu 8.04 in production for 3 years. 25 users and 16GB RAM (i386). Works really well.
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| 20:33 | Big "Thank you" to developers, tester, etc.
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| 20:47 | <Hyperbyte> damormino, I'm sure it's appreciated. :-)
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| 20:48 | damormino, you could contribute yourself though, with writing code and/or documentation, or helping people get started with LTSP in this channel. :-)
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| 20:50 | <Gadi> or design a Tshirt
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| 20:50 | or even better - a wet T-shirt contest
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| 20:50 | or ...
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| 20:50 | hmm...
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| 20:57 | <TheMatrix3000> shawnp0wers: i figured it out
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| 20:57 | start each instance of chrome with google-chrome --proxy-server="http://<proxyserver>:<proxyport>"
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| 21:51 | <damormino> Hyperbyte, I am writing up the installation process for LTSP on Oneiric for both 32-bit and 64-bit clients on our internal Wiki. Once finished, I will use the information from that to create public documentation.
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| 21:51 | <Hyperbyte> =)
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| 21:52 | You rock!
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| 22:00 | * alkisg would still prefer the wet T-shirt contest | |
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| 23:09 | <damormino> stgraber, I believe you are correct that the COMPCACHE error is not a factor. I COMPCACHE using Gadi's suggestion. The FATAL error no longer appears.
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| 23:10 | ...but I still have the original problem that, immediately after entering the username and password on the thin client, the mouse cursor spins and the desktop does not appear - even though the LTSP server hows the user is logged in.
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| 23:11 | Perhaps it is too optimistic to try to run LTSP on 64-bit Oneiric beta-1. Any comments?
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| 23:26 | <damormino> Can anyone tell me what would be the best and easiest LTSP server to deploy? I tried Ubuntu Oneiric beta-1, but suspect problems with Unity - which may be a struggle. Would Ubuntu 10.10 be better and easier?
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