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01:50 | <jimjimovich> morning everyone
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01:51 | how can i change the language for the ldm login screen?
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01:52 | <Appiah> LDM_LANGUAGE in lts.conf
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01:54 | <jimjimovich> Appiah: Thanks, somehow I overlooked that in the docs
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01:57 | um, that set the default language for the gnome session, but didn't change the UI on the login screen
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01:58 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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01:58 | and ltsp-update-image afterwards
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02:02 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: what i really want is for just the text for login screen to be in Russian without changing the default login language
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02:02 | <alkisg> So, login in russian and session in english?
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02:02 | <jimjimovich> dession default in English
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02:02 | <alkisg> Then, put russian in the command that I told you before and put english in LDM_LANGUAGE - I think that'll work
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02:03 | <jimjimovich> okay, will try!
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02:07 | alkisg: I still get English on the login screen.
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02:07 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: did you update the image?
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02:07 | <jimjimovich> yeah
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02:08 | <alkisg> Uh sorry that's for the keyboard layout, the default chroot locale is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/locale
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02:09 | <jimjimovich> okay, will try!
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02:12 | alkisg: that works, thanks!
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02:13 | only one problem, the translation for "username" is (as often happens) too long for the space allowed in the layout for the longin screen. How can I edit the layout of the login screen?
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02:13 | <alkisg> Here's a more comprehensive answer from the ML, from vagrantc: "it's a little confusing, but LDM_LANGUAGE sets the locale for the logged in session, not for LDM itself."
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02:13 | "if you want it to use a different language for LDM's user interface, add to lts.conf:
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02:13 | LANG=en_US "
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02:14 | <jimjimovich> cool. that's exactly what I did and it worked great.
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02:18 | I found instructions for modifying the images in the ldm theme, but can anyone tell me where the layout files are for it? I'd like to move things around a little bit
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02:23 | <gnunux> hi
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02:25 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: I think it's in greeter.c, so to change the layout you'd need to compile it
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02:25 | You can also change the translation if it's easier to you
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02:25 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: yeah, digging through the source code now.
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02:26 | i have the translation here from the source code, can i just change it and drop it into some directory or does that also require recompiling?
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02:28 | <alkisg> It requires "compiling" into .mo which is very easy
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02:28 | E.g. if you open it with poedit, it does it automatically
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02:29 | or, just run: msgfmt -cv -o output.mo input.po
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02:29 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: I can tell you've been doing this for a while :)
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02:29 | <alkisg> :)
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02:30 | <jimjimovich> I feel like I've learned more about Ubuntu in the last 2 weeks of setting up this system than in the last few years.
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02:32 | <muppis> jimjimovich, same to me. :)
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02:32 | <jimjimovich> muppis: it's a pretty great feeling, to learn so much every day at work :)
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02:34 | <muppis> Altought, my thin just hanged when I changed lts.conf. Hopefully its typo.
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02:45 | <muppis> Funny. If I put LANG in lts.conf, LDM changes to English. Without any it's in Finnish (as it should be).
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02:46 | <alkisg> Yup, that's the correct (but not intuitive) behaviour
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02:47 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: thanks for the tip on poedit. I edited the translation (and even though it's kind wrong now) it fits.
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02:47 | <alkisg> muppis: erm, LANG=what in lts.conf?
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02:47 | <muppis> fi_FI
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02:48 | <alkisg> Try fi_FL.UTF-8
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02:48 | see the exact name from your $LANG environment variable
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02:49 | Even a character wrong and it's considered invalid, so LANG=C is used instead
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02:49 | <muppis> Frustating.. libvirtd keeps dying.
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02:49 | <jimjimovich> there is a LANG setting in lts.conf? I didn't see that in the documentation
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02:49 | <alkisg> No, it's kind of a hack to set environment variables for ldm
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02:49 | So anything you set in lts.conf is an env var for ldm
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02:50 | <jimjimovich> so you can just set random env variables? Like MYVAR=foo?
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02:51 | <muppis> alkisg, I think it still doesn't fix that partial translation for login screen. Anything else is in Finnish, but Preferences still sits there in corner.
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02:52 | <jimjimovich> muppis: did you try changing the local in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/locale ? That worked for me
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02:53 | <alkisg> muppis: ah, for preferences you need to install your gnome locale files to the chroot
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02:53 | It's a gnome button. Let me get you the exact package name...
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02:53 | <muppis> alkisg, quite annoying..
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02:53 | <jimjimovich> yes, same is true if you want to have local apps in your language (like Firefox)
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02:53 | <alkisg> Right
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02:55 | The preferences button comes from /usr/share/locale-langpack/"$LANG_DIR"/LC_MESSAGES/gtk20.mo
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02:55 | <jimjimovich> nice, now I have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/locale set to Russian, and can add LANG=en_EN.UTF-8 for terminals that need to be in English :)
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02:55 | <alkisg> muppis: language-pack-gnome-fi-base
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02:56 | (or just copy that file)
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02:57 | <jimjimovich> I'd recommend installing language-pack-gnome-fi-base in chroot as it will probably save you from other problems down the road
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02:57 | <muppis> How about Verifyin password -text, same file?
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02:57 | <alkisg> No, that's ssh
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02:57 | But it's hardcoded to english from ldm
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02:57 | <muppis> Ok.
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02:58 | <alkisg> Hmmm wait let me look...
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02:58 | <jimjimovich> actually, it's in the po file for ldm
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02:58 | I'm looking at the Russian po and it's in there, but it's missing from Finnish
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02:58 | <alkisg> ^^^ right
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02:59 | <muppis> Hey, thanks! ;)
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02:59 | <alkisg> OK, time for poedit for all :P
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03:00 | <jimjimovich> you can edit the fi.po file in poedit, save it then copy fi.mo to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/ldm.mo
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03:00 | <muppis> Looks like I have to set up my own PPA for fixes..
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03:01 | alkisg, have you yet tested Meerkat for LTSP?
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03:02 | <alkisg> muppis: I only booted it in a vbox, I'll stick to LTS=>LTS for greek schools
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03:02 | <jimjimovich> I have, and ended up ditching it quickly. There were a lot of bugs, especially with local apps
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03:02 | <alkisg> It takes a couple of months to stabilize ubuntu installations unfortunately, so a 6 month release cycle is too often for us
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03:04 | <muppis> jimjimovich, shame.. I'm setting up LTSP for HTPC at my home and for DVB-T -bugfixes might be forced to upgrade to Meerkat.
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03:04 | If I don't get inspiration to upgrade kernel in Lucid.
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03:04 | Hey... Installing language pack to chroot changed both texts.
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03:04 | <jimjimovich> muppis: if it's something you're doing at home, you might want to try it
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03:06 | Maverick ltsp works, it's just that doing much beyond the basics became very difficult as a lot of the instructions i found online did not work (for example, Flash in local Firefox)
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03:06 | <muppis> jimjimovich, my lack of inspiration kicks in when there is possibility for hours fight for stability.
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03:07 | What I need to work locally is nvidia drivers and XBMC..
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03:07 | <jimjimovich> by the way, since I've been working more with LTSP recently, I keep imagining our flat with little touch screens all over running as ltsp clients :)
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03:08 | <muppis> :)
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03:08 | <jimjimovich> XBMC on a thin client ... hmmm. now you're just giving me ideas :)
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03:09 | <muppis> I got VDR and NAS already in network so there is no need for local HDD, so why it keep just for system..
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03:09 | <jimjimovich> Can you buy small sized touch screens that work with Ubuntu in Finland? If so, I might have to make a trip over there
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03:09 | <muppis> Depends what is definition of small sized?
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03:09 | <jimjimovich> like 7-10 inch
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03:10 | well, less than 19 inch :)
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03:10 | <elias_a> jimjimovich: What is the use case and how many?
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03:12 | <jimjimovich> Use case ... to run LTSP or just Ubuntu. How many? It's more of a dream, really. Not sure
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03:14 | <elias_a> jimjimovich: OK. Just being curious. Just thought that I found some second hand stuff for similar purposes and the magic word seems to be USB.
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03:15 | <jimjimovich> elias_a: like those USB monitor extender things?
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03:15 | <elias_a> If the control signal (=mouse) is transmitted through USB there should not be big problems
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03:15 | <muppis> Yes, adding touchsupport any regular screen is cheaper than buying directly touchscreen..
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03:15 | At here in Finland.
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03:16 | <jimjimovich> muppis: thanks for the info. I'll have to look into that idea too.
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03:16 | what would be really cool is ltsp running on any of the hardware for all these upcoming tablets that people are making
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03:17 | <alkisg> The new vbox offers a tablet mouse mode, so I have mouse integration for vbox ltsp clients out of the box :)
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03:17 | <muppis> I got also a plan for laptops. Having minimal installation to get X and wlan working, then firing kvm with vnc for ltsp client.
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03:18 | <jimjimovich> I'd love to have a terminal stuck to my refrigerator :)
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03:18 | <alkisg> vnc? too slow...
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03:18 | <muppis> alkisg, it's local.
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03:18 | <alkisg> Sure, it's even slow for gigabit
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03:18 | <jimjimovich> have you tried neatx?
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03:18 | <alkisg> E.g. neatx over adsl is faster than vnc on gigabit
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03:19 | <jimjimovich> I got it working here and it's super fast
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03:19 | <muppis> Probably vnc not even needed, when running only one app.
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03:20 | <sweetpi> I got wireless working for thin client a while ago. never got around to figuring out how to handle bad packet loss without deadlocks
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03:20 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: what's this about vbox (virtualbox?) clients?
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03:20 | sweetpi: yeah, was just thinking about wifi probably being a pretty big issue for ltsp
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03:21 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html ==> search for "Enable absolute pointing device"
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03:21 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: so you're booting off of ltsp in virtualbox? I need this!
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03:22 | <alkisg> Sure, and I also have 1280x720 without adding vbox guest additions, by specifying an additional vesa mode...
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03:22 | <muppis> jimjimovich, my testing enviroment is running in virt-manager/libvirt/kvm
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03:23 | <feinbein_fred> alkisg: sorry to interupt, but how did you manage higher resolutions without guest addistions?
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03:23 | <jimjimovich> okay, i remember trying this virtual machine ltsp client several years ago without luck.
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03:25 | <alkisg> feinbein_fred: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#id485343
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03:25 | feinbein_fred: You don't need the "vga=xxx" kernel parameter that it mentions, it's autodetected
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03:26 | jimjimovich: it "just works" in vbox...
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03:26 | <feinbein_fred> thanks a lot, I'll try that... Just have to reboot to my desktop...
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03:27 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: that's what i get for not trying things for like 4 years ;)
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03:28 | <jimjimovich> anyone know of a way to boot a vm client if you're located outside of the network where the ltsp server is (but can ssh into the server)?
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03:31 | <muppis> SSH Tunneling should help.
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03:33 | <jimjimovich> muppis: can you proxy dhcp over ssh?
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03:35 | <muppis> jimjimovich, I just thought that could be problem..
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03:37 | <jimjimovich> wow, this really does just work out of the box in vbox!
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03:40 | <sweetpi> jimjimovich: I think doing what you want would require either magic hackery or at least kernel and initrd for the thin client(to get local network access) and then a ssh tunnel(on the vm host) for nbd
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03:42 | <jimjimovich> sweetpi: neatx sounds better than "magic hackery" ;)
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03:42 | <sweetpi> true :)
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03:43 | <alkisg_studying> jimjimovich: can you open the tftp port?
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03:43 | If you can, you can use gpxe, even over wan...
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03:43 | Or, if you have apache, you can publish the kernel with http
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03:44 | No dhcp is needed
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03:44 | <jimjimovich> alkisg_studying: I don't see why I couldn't open the port (it's still within our main network)
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03:44 | <sweetpi> how would it access the nbd server though?
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03:45 | <alkisg_studying> Right, that too ^^ :)
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03:45 | He could copy the image locally, but it would require initscript changes
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03:46 | <jimjimovich> i was thinking more along the lines of making Virtualbox to "be" in the other network via something like a vpn
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03:47 | <alkisg_studying> A, vbox client? Then sure, either ssh port forwarding or vpn
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03:47 | <jimjimovich> alkisg_studying: how can I make it so that vbox isn't stuck in 800x600 mode?
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03:47 | <feinbein_fred> alkisg_studying:vbox not working for me, added custom video modes - no luck!
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03:47 | <alkisg_studying> See the link I pasted above for feinbein_fred
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03:47 | <alkisg> feinbein_fred: distro/version?
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03:48 | <elias_a> muppis: I actually did not talk about an add-on device. There are touchscreens that have USB in any case.
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03:48 | <feinbein_fred> meerkat some server, lucid64bit for vbox 3.2.8
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03:49 | <alkisg> feinbein_fred: it should be working, can you post your vbox client .xml settings file?
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03:49 | <muppis> elias_a, yes it is, but they costs a lot.
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03:50 | <alkisg> feinbein_fred: e.g. mine contains a line like this: <ExtraDataItem name="CustomVideoMode1" value="1272x700x16"/>
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03:51 | <feinbein_fred> http://pastebin.com/LGE4X0cV
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03:52 | <elias_a> muppis: If you're interested I am going to check out 2nd hand devices like that next Fri @ Tampere. Priceclass 300€.
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03:52 | <muppis> elias_a, any specs?
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03:56 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: feinbein_fred: yeah, it's not working for me either with <ExtraDataItem name="CustomVideoMode1" value="1400x900x16"/>
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03:57 | <elias_a> muppis: Not yet. Should be quality stuff. It is the voting booth displays from Kauniainen where the electronic voting was tested in the election.
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03:58 | <muppis> elias_a, might be usable.
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04:01 | <alkisg> jimjimovich, feinbein_fred: this one works fine for me: http://pastebin.com/JNmyXGT2
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04:01 | More in a while, doing something first...
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04:01 | <feinbein_fred> jimjimovich: I am not sure, I have nvida-driver installed in the chroot, maybe thats the reason?
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04:04 | <jimjimovich> feinbein_fred: I don't have them installed. I think it has something to do with the second part of the instructions ( vga = 0x200 | 0x160 ) how would you do that?
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04:05 | <feinbein_fred> jimjimovich: good question, how do you add a kernel-parameter for a specific thinclient? Googling....
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04:06 | <alkisg> You can put them in pxelinux.cfg/mac-address, but there's no need, gimme a few minutes to finish what I'm doing and I'll test from scratch with a new client
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04:07 | <jimjimovich> okay, thanks alkisg
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04:17 | <feinbein_fred> alkisg: just trying with pxelinux.cfg/mac-address
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04:32 | <feinbein_fred> just building a new image w/o nvidiadrivers
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04:35 | <alkisg> jimjimovich, feinbein_fred: I created a new vbox client, ran VBoxManage setextradata vesatest "CustomVideoMode1" "1272x720x16", set X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 in my lts.conf and it's working without doing anything else
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04:35 | If yours fails, maybe it's because the vesa logic prefers some other mode because it cannot detect the monitor timings
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04:36 | <alkisg> So, either increase X_HORZSYNC/X_VERTREFRESH, or paste the /var/log/Xorg.7.log from the client and your CustomVideoMode1 and X_COLOR_DEPTH...
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04:37 | (I see in xorg.log that it tries some other modes with lower horizsync rates and fails, and then decides to automatically increase horizsync and then chooses my mode)
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05:03 | <feinbein_fred> alkisg: unfortunately I haven't got more time, will try and see later. Thanks for your help so far.
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06:10 | <jimjimovich> doing pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address and adding the line from the vbox site makes vbox boot at my custom resolution until it hits the login screen, then everything is back to 800x600
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06:23 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: don't add vga=xx it uses framebuffer then
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06:23 | See what I proposed above
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06:24 | <jimjimovich> I tried changing the X_HORZSYNC/X_VERTREFRESH but got very strange results
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06:25 | <jimjimovich> I got the desktop running at 1440x900 but the window in virtualbox was cut off
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06:40 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: If you put too great values there, you'd also need to set XRANDR_MODE_0 for that client
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06:40 | What resolution are you trying to accomplish? 1440x900?
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06:41 | <jimjimovich> 1440x900, also trying your 1272x720
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06:44 | <alkisg> And X_COLOR_DEPTH?
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06:45 | (ok if you put X_HORZSYNC/X_VERTREFRESH then just setting XRANDR_MODE_0 should do it)
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06:45 | Don't bother with the rest...
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06:48 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: I'm getting close. How do I determine the proper X_HORZSYNC/X_VERTREFRESH rates?
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06:48 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: there's no need, you can put arbitrary large ones and just set XRANDR_MODE_0
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06:48 | For 1024x768 X_HORZSYNC is about 88
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06:48 | For 1440 it should be around 100, but not sure for the exact value
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06:49 | Unfortunately the timing calculation tools don't work for this
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06:50 | So just put X_HORZSYNC=120, X_VERTREFRESH=50-90, and XRANDR_MODE_0=1440x900 ...
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06:53 | <alkisg> Ah, not sure if vesa supports xrandr, if not then X_MODE_0 is needed instead
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06:53 | <muppis> Funny. As I wrote earlier, got Preferences -button untranslated before installed language pack. That was on my newly build testing enviroment. In production enviroment that package is already installed and buttontext is still untranslated.
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06:54 | <alkisg> muppis: is the i386.img image updated?
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06:54 | <muppis> alkisg, yes.
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06:55 | alkisg, Verifying password is translated..
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06:55 | <alkisg> muppis: and the translation is the same version as in your test server?
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06:56 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: got it working!
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06:56 | <alkisg> **language pack version, I mean
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06:56 | <muppis> alkisg, haven't check that, but both installations are lucid.
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06:56 | <alkisg> Sounds like it should work then...
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06:57 | jimjimovich: what did you do?
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06:59 | muppis: compare this file to your test server's file: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/gtk20.mo
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07:01 | <muppis> Packages are same versions, but production is i386 and testing amd64.
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07:03 | <jimjimovich> muppis: I did notice that the translation for verifying password was missing from the ldm fi.po file
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07:04 | <alkisg> muppis: are the "Username" and "Password" fields translated?
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07:04 | <muppis> alkisg, yes.
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07:04 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: sorry X_HORZSYNC shouldn't be fixed for XRANDR_MODE_0 to work
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07:04 | <muppis> jimjimovich, installing language-pack-fi-base to chroot did the trick.
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07:04 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: so, X_HORZSYNC=30-120, X_VERTREFRESH=30-90, and then using XRANDR_MODE_0 gets you any resolution you want
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07:05 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/5uDPej9h
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07:08 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: feinbein_fred: This works http://pastebin.com/FfCGqW5H
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07:09 | alkisg: so I still need to add the custom video modes to vbox or everything can be done in lts.conf?
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07:10 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: with X_HORZSYNC etc you can get all vesa modes, but if you want additional ones that vesa doesn't provide, then you need custom video modes
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07:10 | E.g. I wanted the vbox window to be smaller than my 1280x800 desktop to prevent it from hiding my panels
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07:11 | <jimjimovich> super, looks like we figured this one out :)
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07:13 | <alkisg> jimjimovich: btw it looks like the vbox driver ignores any X_HORZSYNC values, so any range (not fixed value) would do
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07:14 | <jimjimovich> very nice, now I got one more tool in the toolbox
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07:20 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: what client do you use to connect to neatx? The standard No Machine for Linux?
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07:20 | <alkisg> Yup
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07:21 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: do you ever have problems with it taking a very long time to authenticate?
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07:21 | <alkisg> Yeah, it does
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07:21 | <jimjimovich> I noticed that from the windows client, it authenticates almost instantly
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07:22 | i thought that was strange
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07:22 | <alkisg> But it never authenticated quickly so I don't know.... ah really? Didn't try a windows client
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07:22 | * alkisg tested with freenx & neatx as servers, and nomachine nx linux client | |
07:22 | <jimjimovich> I noticed it a while back when making a blog post about using neatx on EC2, if you connect with windows it works fast, if you connect with linux, it'll actually time out before it authenticates
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07:24 | <alkisg> Did you file a bug report?
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07:26 | <jimjimovich> at the time, yes (this was like 6 months ago) but maybe to the wrong place, and nobody followed up on it because Desktop Ubuntu on EC2 wasn't a priority
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07:27 | <alkisg> The best place would be at the neatx-server project page on code.google.com
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07:28 | <jimjimovich> I thought it might have something to do with ssh, because it also takes quite a while for ssh to prompt me for my password on all my ltsp servers
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07:34 | alkisg: looks like there are already a handful of bugs filed which would match my experience. maybe they already fixed them. will have to try again someday
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10:46 | <CarlosP> hello
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12:09 | <EarlessPierre> Hi, everyone
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12:09 | Does anyone here have an LTSP server that authenticates using Kerberos?
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12:09 | <elias_a> EarlessPierre: We are listening. We got ears :)
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12:10 | EarlessPierre: What is the problem?
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12:10 | <EarlessPierre> Users take about 3 minutes to log on, even the locally defined ones.
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12:10 | I checked the tcpdump, and it just seems to be sitting there doing nothing
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12:10 | No packets between the server and the client at all
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12:11 | I think it's timing out somewhere, but I can't think of what it could be
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12:11 | <elias_a> Sorry - this is beyond my field of experience :(
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12:12 | <EarlessPierre> Dang
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12:12 | Nobody seems to know what's wrong with it
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12:14 | <Gadi> EarlessPierre: is there a delayed login when you simply ssh to the machine?
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12:14 | you may want to try: ssh -vvv user@server
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12:14 | and watch where it hangs
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12:21 | <EarlessPierre> SSH works fine
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12:21 | No delay at all
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12:21 | Kerberos or local user
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12:34 | <Gadi> EarlessPierre: check the user's ~/.xsession-errors
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12:38 | <EarlessPierre> What should I be looking for?
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12:39 | <Gadi> not sure exactly - timeouts?
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12:40 | <EarlessPierre> evolution-alarm-notify-Message: Setting timeout for 41597 1286496000 1286454403
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12:40 | This is the only mention of timeouts
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12:41 | <Gadi> alternatively, it may also be a dns issue
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12:41 | in that the server is trying to look up the client's hostname
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12:41 | try setting a shell on the client
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12:41 | and ssh to the server from a client shell
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12:42 | <EarlessPierre> Ok, I'll try that
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12:42 | I tried SSHing from a liveCD, that worked fine
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12:53 | <EarlessPierre> SSHing work fine from both thick or thin client image, both the web-facing interface and the client subnet facing interface
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13:02 | <EarlessPierre> I also tried different desktop environments (XFCE, KDE, LXDE, xterm), but they all take about the same amount of time
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13:12 | <Gadi> EarlessPierre: are you using LDM_DIRECTX?
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13:13 | if not, try enabling it and seeing if it is faster
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13:13 | <EarlessPierre> How do I do that?
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13:13 | <Gadi> it is an lts.conf parameter: LDM_DIRECTX=True
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13:14 | that will at least tell you if the ssh X proxy is the culprit
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13:35 | <EarlessPierre> Interestingly enough, now my fat client is stuck on the splash scree and my thin client refuses all passwords
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13:36 | I think someone else is trying to fix it too
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13:42 | <EarlessPierre> Hm, nope
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13:42 | This is certainly weird
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21:05 | <map7> I'm having problems using my new thin client (Intel D510MO) graphics card with Ubuntu 10.04. Can anyone help me setup a Xorg.conf to suit this type of GPU? It says it's using the i915 kernel module.
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21:06 | The main problem is that I cannot use the high resolution as it cannot detect my monitor
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21:06 | I would like to use 1920x1080
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