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Channel log from 6 November 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:54 | <Silveira_Neto> Hi guys. I'm using Ubuntu 9.04 Alternate as a LTSP Server. The install was very easy and we have a working lab of thinclients. But with regular machines like laptops that will not use ltsp, the DHCP is offering corrects IPs but they are not acessing Internet. Any clue?
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| 06:59 | <scottmaccal> Morning all. TGIF
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| 07:04 | <scottmaccal> squarepeg!
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| 07:04 | <squarepeg> scottmaccal, success?
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| 07:05 | <scottmaccal> no :-(
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| 07:05 | you?
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| 07:05 | <squarepeg> how far did you get/
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| 07:06 | <scottmaccal> not far
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| 07:07 | <IHS_Volunteer> Silveira_Neto, it's not set up as a router. it doesn't forward/share the network between the NICs
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| 07:08 | Today could be problematic. My cellphone, though plugged in all night, didn't charge. So it's completely dead.
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| 07:08 | <squarepeg> if you run wireshark on the server as it boots you will prob see the dhcp piece..i will pastebot the dhcpd.conf that works..but exactly why i am not sure..
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| 07:09 | i havnt commented out to see what needs to be global and what should be in the specific stanza for the particular client
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| 07:11 | scottmaccal, for me the initrd loads to packet 12289 and then barfs
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| 07:16 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "for scott" (56 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/5
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| 07:20 | <Silveira_Neto> IHS_Volunteer, so I can configure it to foward/share Internet? iptables?
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> !s
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| 08:56 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 08:57 | I think !s is the most used part of ltspbot
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> It's much shorter than "good morning" ;)
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> ogra: You about my friend?
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| 09:05 | <rjune> alkisg, we like scotty
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| 09:06 | <rjune> !g
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| 09:06 | <ltspbot> rjune: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> morning
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> rjune: don't worry it shows :) You're all a really nice company here :)
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> So, after a marathon session last night.... I've got the beginnings of a sabayon docbook manual.
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| 09:09 | I have to re-screencap all the windows, since they've changed.
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| 09:10 | but... I'm well on the way to getting Sabayon documented.
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| 09:11 | <Appiah> oh
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| 09:11 | it's not documented? I was planing on reading docs and learn soon
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| 09:14 | <rjune> sbalneav, you sir, are a pimp
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| 09:15 | we bow before your greatness.
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> Appiah: Well there's some documentation out there.
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| 09:17 | It was written back when the app was at Version 0.18
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| 09:17 | <Appiah> I see
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> We're now on 2.29
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| 09:17 | <Appiah> :D
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> Sooooooooooo
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| 09:18 | <Appiah> well I'll test and throw feedback at you
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| 09:18 | and do what I can to contrib
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> Once I get the docs integrated into the help system, I'll probably cut a fresh package for my ppa
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| 09:23 | <Appiah> sounds great!
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| 09:25 | <rjune> sbalneav, how does sabayon handle network setups?
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> So, I've got a machine here. User upgraded from Jaunty to Karmic. Machine boots fine to login box. No one can log in.
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| 09:25 | <rjune> LDAP?
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> Not even at the console login
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| 09:25 | no, standalone machine. Home user.
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| 09:25 | So, boot into recovery protocol
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| 09:26 | sorry, shell
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| 09:26 | <rjune> heh
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> apt-* seems to work, EVERYthing seems to work, except pam
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| 09:26 | <rjune> want me to take a peek at the pam files for reference?
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> doing any pam operation results in a segfault
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| 09:26 | <rjune> oh, snap.
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> they're fine.
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| 09:27 | so, run a passwd , get a segfault
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| 09:27 | <rjune> apt-fix-whatever-you-screwed-up-you-damn-computer work?
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| 09:27 | how about getent passwd ?
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> ltrace reveals it's dying in pam_start
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| 09:27 | haven't tried that yet.
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| 09:27 | <rjune> that should be nsswitch
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> So, I'm wondering if I've got a bad package somewhere.
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| 09:27 | is there a way in apt to reinstall EVERYTHING?
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| 09:28 | I know you can do apt-get --reinstall install <foo>
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| 09:28 | but there's a lot of <foo>
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| 09:28 | I just want to say, "look, sit off in a corner for an hour or to, and re-install every package"
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| 09:29 | <rjune> want a script to do it?
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> like ap-get --reinstall upgrade
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| 09:29 | <rjune> dpkg -l | cut -f 3 -d ' ' should get you a package list.
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> that's what I was thinking
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| 09:29 | just wondered if there was a more elegant way :)
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| 09:29 | <rjune> feed that into a script that reads stdin and does apt-get --reinstall install <foo>
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| 09:29 | bah, this is LTSP, we don't do things elegantly.
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> Well, we TRY
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| 09:30 | ok, that's what I suspected.
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| 09:30 | <rjune> that's a problem where I don't think there is an elegant solution.
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| 09:30 | <sbalneav> Message received and understood.
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| 09:30 | <rjune> the ugly may be hidden from you... but I suspect it's still there.
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| 09:33 | <coordinador> Hi i have a weird problem, one of the users full the hd with ~/dev/fd/3/fd/3/fd/3... directories , the users are totally newbies, i think it is related with localapps or some.. or with playing sound... actually i dont know
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| 09:34 | <coordinador> inside the dirs there's files like pts, snd, dri, shm, net, char, .initramfs, etc...
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| 09:35 | the user havent any special permission
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| 09:36 | <rjune> that sounds like dev is being copied to theat directory
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| 09:38 | <sbalneav> Wasn't there some bug that stgraber fixed relating to spaces in the username?
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| 09:38 | that resulted in filled hard drives?
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| 09:38 | <coordinador> is the first time it happen and is the only user that have that dir dev in their home
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| 09:38 | <coordinador> humm
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| 09:39 | i use ubuntu 9.04
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| 09:39 | and ltsp5
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| 09:40 | sbalneav, in which situation it happen? so i can prevent it
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| 09:40 | <stgraber> coordinador: <space>username
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| 09:41 | that'll work for the connection but will copy all of the thin client root in the user's home directory
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| 09:41 | (starting by bin, dev and etc)
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| 09:41 | dev containing a few symlink loops, it can take an infinite amount of disk space
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| 09:42 | <sbalneav> stgraber: yeah, thought so. Did you fix this in your ppa?
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| 09:42 | <coordinador> you say that if i write my username like that, i will login successfully but it will copy the root dir?
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| 09:42 | wow
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| 09:42 | <stgraber> sbalneav: yep
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| 09:42 | <coordinador> ill try :P
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| 09:42 | <sbalneav> maybe coordinador just needs to update using your packages.
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| 09:43 | <coordinador> they are safe to use it or not yet?
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| 09:43 | <stgraber> that's what I deploy in production, it's basically karmic's ltsp but on jaunty
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| 09:44 | <coordinador> oh god is true, i have bin and boot dirs too, didnt copy the rest because the system cannot copy beyond dev
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| 09:44 | <stgraber> I always maintain a backport for the current stable release so I can have more testers
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| 09:44 | <coordinador> humm
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| 09:44 | <stgraber> now that Karmic is released, I'll backport lucid to karmic
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| 09:44 | <coordinador> nice
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| 09:44 | <stgraber> and my packages for jaunty won't change other than critical bug fixes
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| 09:45 | <Appiah> umm
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| 09:45 | is that a bug in ldm?
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| 09:46 | <coordinador> oh my god the hd is filling up
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| 09:46 | lulz
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| 09:46 | <Appiah> O_o
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| 09:46 | <coordinador> ok , confirmed :)
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> Off for a doctor's appointment :(
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| 10:09 | <coordinador> sbalneav, how can i update to karmic ltsp, using jaunty?
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| 10:16 | <coordinador> Hi, im running firefox locally but when i want to save someting i cannot see the real / filesystem to save the file, only the chroot filesystem i think.
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| 10:16 | what can i do?
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| 10:25 | <coordinador> anybody?
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| 10:35 | <coordinador> there is a solution for that?
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| 10:50 | <coordinador> hello?
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| 11:05 | <coordinador> **Hi, im running firefox locally but when i want to save someting i cannot see the real / filesystem to save the file, only the chroot filesystem i think. What can I do?
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| 11:12 | <johnny> coordinador, did you look in /home ? it should mount /home from the server /
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| 11:12 | coordinador, next time.. don't ask your question more than once
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| 11:12 | especially if nobody else talked
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| 11:12 | wait a few hours at least
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| 11:13 | <coordinador> sorry, it will never happen again, its just that i have like 40 minutes more to fix that until monday, but as i said, it will never happen again
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| 11:13 | i will check the home dir
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| 11:16 | johnny, i ve isolated the problem only to root
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| 11:17 | <johnny> ?
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| 11:17 | <coordinador> it is tolerable
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| 11:17 | <johnny> only to root? you mean your /home was correct ?
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| 11:18 | <coordinador> the all other user's home mounts succesfully so i can save files from internet, except with root
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| 11:18 | <johnny> ah.. that's normal
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| 11:18 | it's not a problem.. that's just how it works
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| 11:18 | <coordinador> oh i see, thank you again
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| 11:30 | <coordinador> Why the mouse pointer and all the graphic interface sticks like each 1 sec?
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| 13:37 | <jcastro> sbalneav, around?
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| 13:39 | <CAN-o-SPAM> i think he's out
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| 13:39 | <jcastro> thanks, I'll just hang out
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| 13:39 | * jcastro hasn't been in #ltsp in a long time! | |
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| 13:50 | <CAN-o-SPAM> nice to have you
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| 13:50 | jcastro: how did openweek finish up? i watched a few sessions
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| 13:51 | <jcastro> a few more left!
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| 13:51 | good turn out, around ~300 per session
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| 13:51 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jcastro: thought about webcasting that? or perhaps just adding audio? one thing that was hard for me was to pay attention by reading when doing other work
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| 13:52 | <jcastro> yeah, unfortunately that's the medium we have to work with
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| 13:52 | audio would be geometrically harder
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| 13:53 | I wish we had the resources and time to pull it off
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| 13:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> maybe next time ;)
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> jcastro: Hey hey!!!!!
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| 14:04 | Welcome back to #ltsp
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| 14:05 | <jcastro> hi sbalneav
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| 14:51 | <k21> hello, can someone please help me solve my problem with Ubuntu and LTSP?
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| 14:51 | <johnny> if you ask it..
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| 14:51 | <k21> if I want to connect, I can see the login screen
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| 14:52 | but then if I enter the password, it shows "Veryfiing password, please wait"
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| 14:52 | and then "No response from server, restarting"
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| 14:52 | <johnny> did you change your ip ?
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| 14:52 | <k21> I looked at forum and tried updating ssh keys, but that does not work
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| 14:52 | <johnny> ah
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| 14:52 | <k21> no, did not change it
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| 14:53 | <johnny> is sshd running?
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| 14:53 | <k21> but it looks very similar to that problem
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| 14:53 | I can log in through ctrl+alt+f1
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| 14:53 | <johnny> that's not logging in remotely tho.. only locally
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| 14:53 | can you ssh as a user acount?
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| 14:54 | ssh useryoucreatedforltsp@yourserverip
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| 14:54 | <k21> maybe I should also note, that i try it on virtual machines and that it already worked before some time
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| 14:54 | ok, i will try it
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| 14:55 | oh, looks interesting, ssh does not work
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| 14:57 | ok, I figured out that I have to use my server username, so it works
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| 15:00 | <johnny> you have to use accounts created on your server yes
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| 15:01 | <k21> however, is it correct that i access the whole filesystem and not only the /opt/ltsp/i386 part?
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| 15:02 | <johnny> after login yes..
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| 15:03 | /opt/ltsp/i386/ is what gets loaded to the thin client so you can get the stuff needed to bootstrap yourself into the server
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| 15:04 | <k21> oh, thanks, I had a kind of mess in this
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| 15:20 | <k21> btw, I have read in some LTSP documentation, that the min. req. for the client is about 24MB RAM. Do you by a chance know if it is possible to get some cheap thin client with small memory and some acceptable processor? Everything I could find had at least 256MB, while some of them did not have for example mathematical coprocessor, so it had to be emulated by the OS etc.
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> i wouldn't recommend a thin client with less that 128MB of ram these days, unfortunately.
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| 15:22 | <k21> so the doc was obsolete?
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| 15:22 | <johnny> when was it ever 24mb ram?
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| 15:22 | k21, read the
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| 15:22 | !docs
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| 15:22 | <ltspbot> johnny: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 15:22 | <johnny> those are the real docs
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> it *might* be *possible*, but it probably won't work for most needs. it might not even be possible, though.
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| 15:23 | i think ltsp 4.2 worked with 16-24MB of ram.
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| 15:23 | but those were simpler days.
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| 15:23 | people didn't expect as much.
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| 15:24 | <k21> yes, it is possible that I looked at a doc for a wrong version
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| 15:27 | here is where I read it: http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSPTerminal
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| 15:27 | it really surprised me, when I read it :)
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> the ltsp.org wiki has so much outdated information, and a few kernels of useful information. i have long advocated to rename it to something else indicating that... like oldwiki.ltsp.org or some such.
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| 15:49 | <k21> however, I looked at disklessworkstations.com (one of the links in ubuntu wiki) and found cheapest TC: 1GHz proc, 256MB RAM for 285 USD
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| 15:49 | then I searched through some local internet shops and found this (not really TC): 1.6GHz proc, 2GB RAM, 160GB harddrive for approx. 306 USD
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| 15:49 | why are the TCs so expensive? or can I get them cheaper somewhere?
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> they're produced in smaller quantities, and have no moving parts, typically, which makes them break less.
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| 15:50 | whereas even a cheap desktop system will likely not work without a fan... and once the fan goes, you have to replace the whole thing.
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| 15:50 | well, don't have to, but in some ways that's the easiest way
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| 15:52 | they also typical consume far less electricity
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| 15:52 | and take up less physical space
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| 15:55 | <k21> i will post link to the second PC I found - it dous not look like having a fan and they also write there, that it has very low power consumption, it is no real TC only because of the HDD
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| 15:55 | it is strange but even after googling for its name, i found only czech sites:
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| 15:55 | http://www.mironet.cz/hal3000-ion-9102--atom230--2gb--160gb--nv9400--hdmi--bila+dp96372/
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| 16:00 | and if I sold the HDD for, lets say, 40 usd, it would be even cheaper than the TC from disklessworkstations.com (considered that it will be possible to take the HDD out)
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> k21: do what works for you
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| 19:19 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 19:34 | <sbalneav> Sounds pretty emo.
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| 19:43 | <johnny> lol sbalneav
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| 21:00 | <msaul_> hi, was wondering if someone could help me with display manager indicating "no response from server: restarting"...
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| 21:01 | I installed Ubuntu 9.10 from alternate CD with LTSP. Thin client brings up display manager (nice looking btw)...
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| 21:02 | Was wondering if I missed a set with config - it has been a while...
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| 21:03 | <sbalneav> You re-worked your ip addresses this morning with alkisg
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| 21:03 | did you ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image?
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| 21:03 | <msaul_> Yes, that is correct :)
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| 21:04 | No, should I do that?
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| 21:04 | <sbalneav> yes
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| 21:06 | <msaul_> Just doing that now...
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| 21:13 | Did both commands you suggested. Should I reboot server?
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| 21:14 | <sbalneav> No, just the thin client
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| 21:16 | <msaul_> Nice, that worked - thanks
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| 21:16 | Are there any times I should issue those commands, or is that just a "one-shot" deal?
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| 21:16 | Just curious...
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| 21:19 | <sbalneav> Any time you fiddle with your ip address on the server, you should update the sshkeys
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| 21:19 | !docs
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| 21:19 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 21:19 | <sbalneav> have a look at the docs.
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| 21:20 | <msaul_> Will do - thanks very much :)
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| 21:21 | This will be for a Linux lab for a church, where our college donated most of the equipment and furniture - total cost $150 for a lab costing much more :)
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| 21:22 | <msaul_> bye...
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