IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 January 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:03 | <kc8pxy> johnny: ?? i'm logged into the vbox client. i also have access to a chroot, but i'm not logged into that.
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| 00:09 | <johnny> logged into the vbox client as root?
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| 00:20 | <kc8pxy> johnny: yeah.. i don't have any other user acct's i knew of.
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| 00:21 | <johnny> that's fine.. just making sure you set the root pass and all
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| 00:21 | so.. # startx didn't work?
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| 00:21 | <kc8pxy> yes
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| 00:21 | it did'nt find an xserver
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| 00:22 | <johnny> it should try to start one.. so that makes no sense..
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| 00:22 | try X -configure
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| 00:23 | <kc8pxy> X : command not found
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| 00:24 | xinit tossed a few errno's
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| 00:24 | 2, then 111 then 3
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| 00:24 | when i ran startx.
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| 00:24 | X is not there.
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| 00:25 | johnny: gar :-( this should not be this hard :-(
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| 00:26 | <johnny> then you're missing something..
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| 00:26 | i don't know how you ran into that problem.. that is for sure
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| 00:26 | you should have xorg-server installed right?
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| 00:26 | try emerge ldm -av
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| 00:26 | in the chroot
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| 00:30 | <kc8pxy> wants to recompile ldm and pull in bzr(new)
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| 00:32 | johnny: that help??
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| 00:32 | * kc8pxy thinks not | |
| 00:34 | <johnny> ok.. so that's ifne
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| 00:34 | xorg-server ?
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| 00:41 | <kc8pxy> Total: 69 packages (69 new), Size of downloads: 0 kB
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| 00:41 | johnny: i'd say we have our cluprit :)
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| 00:42 | <johnny> hmm.. i wonder why it didn't pull it in
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| 00:42 | i'm just gonna start packing up my chroots as a stage4 and distribute that :)
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| 00:43 | i really have been hoping to see some movement in the genkernel initrd issues
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| 00:44 | i'll have to poke agaffney again soon
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| 00:44 | <Ryan52> ugh this makes me mad. I've been using a Fedora system a lot in the last month or so and I wrote a bunch of scripts for kvm on it that all worked perfectly. I copied them over to my Debian laptop and everything appears to work, but it doesn't. and the scripts were based off of an Ubuntu tutorial, too, so they should work :(. stuff is going through the bridge right now, so netowrking works...just not when I tell kvm to use a tap device (which is also part
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| 00:45 | kc8pxy, any ideas? since you are the one who taught me how to use all that fancy stuff...:)
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| 00:45 | <kc8pxy> johnny: i second the stage4 stageballs for ltsp.
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| 00:46 | <kc8pxy> Ryan52: you cut off at "I tell kvm to use a tap device (which is also part" ........
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| 00:47 | <Ryan52> of that bridge).
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| 00:47 | :)
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| 00:47 | (that was it)
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| 00:48 | <kc8pxy> Ryan52: kk.. i ran into the issues with tap/bridge in ubuntu also. it's probably some "wonky" assumptions in /proc/sys/net/
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| 00:49 | Ryan52: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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| 00:49 | <Ryan52> my scripts accounts for that :)
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| 00:49 | echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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| 00:50 | oh, and my networking just stopped there.
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| 00:50 | I had to delete the bridge and bring it up as usual.
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| 00:50 | (that also happens every hour or so when I use a bridge..
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| 00:50 | )
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| 00:52 | it works perfectly on my Fedora desktop machine...which pisses me off, because I already had to patch kvm to get arrow keys to work right, and the terminal displays stuff weird.
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| 00:54 | well, I guess I should just suck it up and use that.
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| 00:58 | <kc8pxy> what??
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| 00:58 | my evolution just dies.
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| 00:58 | died
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| 00:58 | and won't start,
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| 01:16 | night guys,
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| 01:16 | <Ryan52> bye
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| 01:16 | <kc8pxy> I'll report on the effect of xorg-server in the morning.
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| 01:17 | what does gcharts do anyway, Ryan52 ?
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| 01:17 | <Ryan52> it makes pretty charts..
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| 01:17 | and graphs..
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| 01:17 | and stuff.
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| 01:17 | <kc8pxy> of what in fgdb?
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| 01:17 | <Ryan52> reports over time.
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| 01:17 | a work in progress, that doesn't support much yet.
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| 01:18 | <kc8pxy> kk
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| 01:18 | * kc8pxy may have a nice use for that :) | |
| 01:18 | <kc8pxy> bught
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| 01:18 | night
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| 01:18 | <Ryan52> g'nite
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| 01:18 | <kc8pxy> see.. i can't even type straight :)
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| 01:19 | <Ryan52> :)
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| 04:43 | <alkisg> I think my TCs hang due to a driver bug (r8169). I'm at school now, so I can test things. Is there anything I can test, like, loading a different module or passing some parameters to it or something? I just bought the gigabit TP-LINK cards, I don't want to buy others... :(
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| 04:43 | <Appiah> =/
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| 04:43 | there are parameters to load with the module
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| 04:44 | you can pass them to autoload
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| 04:44 | <alkisg> When the clients hang, and if I've switched to the console, I see a bunch of kernel errors, e.g. [ 1180.044635] [<c01378d4] ? irq_exit+0x44/0x90
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| 04:44 | Appiah: where can I find such parameters?
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| 04:44 | <Appiah> hmm
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| 04:44 | try putting irqpoll in the clients boot parameter
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| 04:44 | <ogra> ogra@osiris:~$ modinfo r8169|grep parm
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| 04:44 | parm: rx_copybreak:Copy breakpoint for copy-only-tiny-frames (int)
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| 04:44 | parm: use_dac:Enable PCI DAC. Unsafe on 32 bit PCI slot. (int)
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| 04:44 | parm: debug:Debug verbosity level (0=none, ..., 16=all) (int)
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| 04:45 | <alkisg> thanks both, trying...
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| 04:45 | * ogra would try debug for a start ... and enable syslog | |
| 04:47 | <alkisg> (sidenote: everything hangs, even REISUB doesn't work, but pulling the cable off and putting it on back again _does_ display messages on the console...!)
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| 04:47 | <ogra> are you sure its the NIC driver ?
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| 04:47 | <alkisg> I think I saw 8169 in some of the messages dumped on screen
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| 04:48 | and I can easily reproduce it by running netperf from the console, so I think it's the driver...
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| 04:50 | ...and e.g. one of the messages I'm seeing now is: [1573.012341] [<addresss>] net_rx_action+0x180/0x230
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| 04:50 | net_rx => I guess network receive..
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| 04:51 | I think I'll try polling first
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| 04:57 | ...netperf shows ~100 mbps instead of ~150 mbps, so irqpoll is in effect, lets see if it helps...
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| 05:06 | YEEEEEAH!!!!!! Thanks guys, irqpoll fixed it! :)
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| 06:11 | <Appiah> alkisg: nice
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| 06:12 | <alkisg> I used the "irqpoll" kernel parameter to solve a hanging problem with the r8169 nic module (thanks Appiah!), but it came with a performance loss. Is it possible to use the driver from the realtek site instead of irqpoll?
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| 06:14 | ...and more to the point, how?!! :) Here's the site: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=4&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true
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| 06:14 | I guess I can compile the driver, but then what? Override r8169.ko in the chroot with it?
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| 06:25 | <Appiah> download and compile it against your kernel
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| 06:26 | then remove the .ko and replace it with the new one
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| 06:26 | <Appiah> if you're running ubuntu you will need kernel source , kernel headers and build-essenstials
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> Appiah: in the source it says that "This driver is modified from r8169.c in Linux kernel 2.6.18" - so maybe they're just the same thing... :(
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| 06:30 | <Appiah> =/
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| 06:31 | <alkisg> Hm... it also says "This product is covered by one or more of the following patents: US5,307,459," - bah, I'm at a loss
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| 06:31 | <Appiah> my own machine at home dont work so well without irqpoll, and my card uses the same NIC
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| 06:31 | <alkisg> I guess I'll leave irqpoll and lose about ~50 mbps of bandwidth. Whatever.
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| 06:31 | <Appiah> wonder what it really is causing it
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| 06:31 | <alkisg> Bad irq handling, bad spin locks... who knows
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| 06:33 | I wonder how many people have this NIC and their PCs hang once in a while and don't know why... :P
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| 06:33 | <Appiah> ;)
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| 06:33 | My comp just booted veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slow
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| 06:33 | without irqpoll
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| 06:34 | <alkisg> So, what cheap chipsets are well supported out there?
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| 06:34 | Aside from the expensive intel...
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| 06:34 | I don't know what to buy for the next lab! :)
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| 06:35 | <Appiah> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/3/29/103 (fixed) ?
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| 06:36 | <cyberorg> alkisg, i recommend intel, peace of mind with little extra cost, it has most open source friendly hardware
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> cyberorg: I totally agree with you for the (cheap!) intel onboard vga cards, but for nics it's like 250 € instead of 60 €, and most schools here are on a very limited budget ...:(
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| 06:39 | <cyberorg> alkisg, you can just get normal celeron+boards to build clients, they all have onboard nics that do pxe boot
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> We're upgrading old labs, so we already have ancient celerons @450 - @600 MHz, we just upgrade them to gigabit at 7€ each! :)
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| 06:47 | <cyberorg> ok :)
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| 06:49 | <alkisg> Well, I guess I'll have to try "ASUS NX1101" with 8€ for the next lab.
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| 06:51 | <cyberorg> next best thing is ATI+AMD boards
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| 06:52 | <alkisg> ATI/AMD nic?
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| 06:52 | I'm only looking for nics... :)
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| 06:53 | <cyberorg> i thought you were looking for whole box
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| 06:54 | <alkisg> No, that's why I said that we're upgrading existing labs and we already have celerons (along with the box - I didn't say that... :))
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| 07:38 | <rjune_> alkisg: intel eepro 100 shouldn't be too expensive
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> rjune_: isn't that 100Mbps? The cheapest intel I could find was at 26 € (INTEL PRO/1000 GT DESKTOP ADAPTER BULK), while TP-LINK TG-3269 is at 7 €...
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| 07:44 | <rjune_> yeah, the eepro 100 is 100Mbps. I've not tried to look for one lately
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> rjune_: thanks, I was looking to upgrade my existing 100 mbps NICs to gigabit...
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| 07:45 | <rjune_> ah..
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| 07:45 | I missed that.
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> np
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> Wow
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| 08:59 | Landing a jet on the water.
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| 09:00 | As far as *I*'m aware, NO ONE's ever successfully managed that before.
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| 09:00 | Every water landing's resulted in the disintigration of the plane, and significant loss of life.
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| 09:00 | It's AMAZING he pulled it off. Guy's got some skills.
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| 09:40 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: you just have to start your descent early so your landing angle is shallow. i've done it before
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> You've ditched a jet plane in the water?
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| 09:41 | <pmatulis> yup
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| 09:41 | <sbalneav> You're a commercial airline pilot?
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| 09:41 | <pmatulis> yessir
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| 09:42 | i've also landed a plane in the far north. that time i used the pine trees to slow me down. another easy maneuvre
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| 09:42 | <CAN-o-SPAM> what did u do after you landed your plane in pine trees? walk home?
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| 09:43 | <sbalneav> These are SMALL planes you're talking about though, right? Not 180 seaters?
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| 09:43 | <pmatulis> no, the big boys
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| 09:44 | CAN-o-SPAM: the tips of the pine trees (must be yellow pine) just *slow* you down. at the end of course they get crushed
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| 09:44 | <sbalneav> Wow, can you point me to a news article on the pine trees one? I'd love to read about it!
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| 09:44 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: it's being kept hush-hush by the RCMP. not sure why
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| 09:45 | <CAN-o-SPAM> RCMP?
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| 09:45 | <pmatulis> i think they want to use my ideas
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| 09:45 | <CAN-o-SPAM> royal canadian military police?
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| 09:45 | <pmatulis> http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/index-eng.htm
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| 09:46 | "mounted" as in "mount your horse"
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| 09:47 | <sbalneav> So you're in Canada? Where you at?
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| 09:47 | <pmatulis> a couple of them came trotting by when i climbed out of the cockpit. boy, were they surprised
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| 09:47 | <CAN-o-SPAM> so you fly for fun? or for government? or for commericial?
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| 09:48 | <nubae> CAN-o-SPAM: u asked about ltsp articles... here is the one I talked about:
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| 09:48 | <pmatulis> used to be for fun, i've since been enlisted to do special missions for the CSIS
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| 09:48 | <nubae> http://www.olpcnews.com/software/sugar/xo_acer_aspire_one_thin_client_sugar.html
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| 09:49 | <CAN-o-SPAM> CSIS?
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| 09:49 | <pmatulis> http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/index-eng.asp
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| 09:49 | Canadian Security Intelligence Service
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| 09:49 | but please don't ask me any more questions on that
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| 09:50 | <sbalneav> Got any pointers to the water landing?
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| 09:50 | I'd love to read on that one too.
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| 09:50 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: i've already taught you the basics
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> So, no articles?
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| 09:51 | <pmatulis> sorry, no
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> RCMP needed to keep that one covered up too? Or CSIS
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| 09:52 | <pmatulis> the RCMP don't give a damn about water issues!
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| 09:52 | <CAN-o-SPAM> pmatulis: is RCMP or CSIS going to use LTSP?
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| 09:52 | <pmatulis> their horses sink
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| 09:52 | CAN-o-SPAM: beautiful question, i'm not sure
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| 09:52 | <CAN-o-SPAM> well why not? i think they should
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| 09:53 | <sbalneav> Calling bullsh*t as of Friday, January 16, 2009, at 9:53 on pmatulis.
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| 09:53 | <nubae> :-)
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| 09:53 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: i had you going for a while
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| 09:53 | <CAN-o-SPAM> nubae: cool! i saw the article written on ur blog before
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| 09:53 | <sbalneav> The pine trees did it.
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| 09:54 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: :)
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| 09:54 | <CAN-o-SPAM> valiant effort, but not very believeable
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| 09:54 | <nubae> actually that kinda sounded plausible
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| 09:54 | <sbalneav> I was willing to beleive an airline pilot might be in here.
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| 09:54 | <CAN-o-SPAM> MS Flight Simulator does not count as an airline pilot
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| 09:54 | <pmatulis> heh
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> But back to my ORIGINAL point: that guy in NYC's got some skills.
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| 09:56 | And a pair of Cojones.
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| 09:56 | <ogra> he had no choice ... :)
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> Hats off to him. You guys see his picture.
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| 09:56 | <ogra> you grow cojones in that case
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> ogra: Well, he had no choice to LAND
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| 09:57 | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0115093hero1.html
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| 09:57 | <ogra> and i guess you grow them as quickly as *plopp*
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> Guy LOOKS like a badass
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| 09:57 | <nubae> cnn had that on for the whole day... funny how thats the most important news in the world
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> Well, it's amazing.
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| 09:58 | I wouldn't call it the most important, but it's nice to have some GOOD news for a change.
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| 09:58 | <CAN-o-SPAM> agreed.
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| 09:58 | <nubae> "US Airways pilot who today amazingly crash-landed a US Airways jet in New York's Hudson River without any apparent fatalities."
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| 09:58 | what is an apparent fatality :-)
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| 09:59 | like they haven't died yet?
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> It's either that, or go and depress myself some more reading news about Gaza or the Economy.
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| 09:59 | <CAN-o-SPAM> i wouldn't mind a flying lesson from him
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> nubae: It's a Schrodinger fatality.
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| 09:59 | <nubae> heh
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> We're not sure if he's alive or dead until we open the plane and look.
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| 10:00 | Then the wave function collapses.
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| 10:03 | * Gadi is quite proud to be a New Yorker this morning | |
| 10:06 | <sbalneav> Yeah, is the pilot based out of new york?
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| 10:07 | I'm surprised there's no videos of it landing! You'd figure in NYC someone'd be hanging around with a movie cell phone, or a dv recorder or something
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| 10:20 | <Gadi> plenty f pics, sbalneav
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| 10:20 | also, the pilot was incredible, but the citizens just as incredible
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| 10:21 | ferries, private boats, rescue teams all converged on the plane within 30 seconds of landing
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> which was a major reason everyone survived
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| 10:21 | the hudson aint exactly a hot tub this time of year
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 12:23 | <Q-FUNK> hm
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| 12:25 | <ogra> hmm ?
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| 12:26 | <Q-FUNK> hm!
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| 12:26 | <ogra> hm
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| 12:27 | <Appiah> O_o?
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| 13:32 | <ByPasS> I've been offered a lot of HP Compaq T5710 Thin Client, any1 ever tried those units with LTSP ?
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| 13:34 | <jammcq> hello #ltsp
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| 13:34 | <ByPasS> hi there jam :)
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| 13:42 | <kc8pxy> YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:42 | i have a working ltsp serer !!:)
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| 13:49 | is there a default username?
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| 13:53 | ok.. i have a user, and it barfs as soon as ldm verifies my passowrd
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| 13:53 | drops to console, and restarts ldm.
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| 13:53 | what am i missing still?
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| 13:59 | <nobios_> kc8pxy: you should try to read the syslog for errors
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> kc8pxy: make: SCREEN_07=ldm SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
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| 14:05 | reboot, try logging in, switch to ctrl-alt-f2 on the client and look at /var/log/ldm.log
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| 14:06 | <kc8pxy> Gadi: i have a chroot open on the nfs.
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| 14:06 | Gadi: root is read-only, via nfs. how is it logging?
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> kc8pxy: not in the chroot, but on the client itself
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| 14:07 | the runtime client has writable /var
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| 14:07 | <johnny> kc8pxy, tmpfs bindmounts
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| 14:07 | <kc8pxy> johnny: heya :)
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| 14:08 | got a ldm prompt.. but success drops me to a cli, then ldm resarts.
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| 14:08 | <johnny> yes.. check your logs
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| 14:13 | <kc8pxy> pastebot.ing the log.
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| 14:15 | <Lns> warren: K12LTSP is the same as fedora LTSP right?
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| 14:15 | <warren> Lns: K12LTSP is the old name
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| 14:15 | <Lns> just centOS svr/fedora client
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| 14:15 | <warren> Lns: K12Linux is the new name
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| 14:15 | <Lns> oh! ok
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| 14:15 | warren: just putting in a link on the ubuntu wiki to related thin client projects
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| 14:15 | <ltsppbot> "kc8pxy" pasted "ldm.log" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/176
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| 14:16 | <kc8pxy> ok, now i have a slightly different result.
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| 14:16 | it sats in X, with a watch "busy" cursor, but a black screen.
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| 14:17 | <johnny> do you have ubuntulooks installed?
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| 14:17 | altho.. perhaps that doesn't work anymore..
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| 14:23 | <kc8pxy> [I] x11-themes/gtk-engines-ubuntulooks Available versions: 0.9.12-r2 Installed versions: 0.9.12-r2(20:21:34 01/15/09)
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| 14:24 | i would like it, if possible, to have ubuntu looks.. most of these users will be more used to ubuntu, than gnetoo.
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| 14:28 | <johnny> no
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| 14:28 | ubuntu looks is just a theme engine for ldm
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| 14:29 | but i heard it was removed
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| 14:29 | i'm not sure if it will still work with ubuntu looks
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| 14:29 | <kc8pxy> what do i use instead?
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| 14:29 | <johnny> i'm not sure if that is a problem
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| 14:29 | taking a gander now
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| 14:30 | kc8pxy, do you have gtk-engines ?
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| 14:30 | <kc8pxy> I'm headed to the shop, where my ltsp install on gentoo that is intended to be our "production" ltsp, is..
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| 14:30 | one sec.
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| 14:31 | johnny: only ubuntulooks.. gtk-engines is available, but not installed.
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| 14:32 | johnny: could it be that i have low video ram in my vbox config?
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| 14:32 | <kc8pxy> my vbox "video card" has 12 mb of ram :)
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| 14:32 | <johnny> install gtk-engines
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| 14:33 | that's a relatively new change.. one i was waiting for..
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| 14:35 | <kc8pxy> it pulled xhost
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| 14:35 | <johnny> whatever
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| 14:35 | <kc8pxy> kk
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| 14:35 | <johnny> i'm going to hard dep it on ldm
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| 14:35 | one less ~arch in the profiles
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| 14:35 | <kc8pxy> hehe
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| 14:36 | <johnny> still need to get the fuse issue worked out
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| 14:36 | some stuff is taking forever to stabilize
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| 14:39 | <johnny> uggh..
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| 14:53 | <johnny> kc8pxy, the same packages that i have ~arch.. are still arch!
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| 14:53 | since may
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| 15:06 | <Morphid> How's the support for LTSP-5 in fedora?
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| 15:07 | <johnny> good i guess
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| 15:25 | <warren_> What is the lts.conf syntax to force a particular screen resolution?
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| 15:25 | like 1024x768
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| 15:25 | never did this before
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> warren_: X_MODE_0=1024x768
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| 15:26 | <warren_> thanks, that's what I thought....
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> And CONFIGURE_X=True if you don't have the trunk version...
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| 17:25 | <warren> I'm tagging ltsp-trunk and anything else tonight.
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| 18:58 | <KingOfKYA_> I have a question about the ubuntue package for ltsp where is ltsp-localapps it not where the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup) says it is
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| 18:59 | <johnny> KingOfKYA_, if you're running hardy, you won't have it
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| 19:01 | <KingOfKYA_> is there anyway i can get it \
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| 19:01 | is 8.04 hardy i dont remember
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| 19:03 | <johnny> yes
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| 19:03 | KingOfKYA_, no
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| 19:03 | too much has changed
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| 19:03 | you need the other packages for a full experience
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| 19:03 | if you wanna monkey around just updating the ltsp packages from the new ubuntu..
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| 19:04 | but you'd have to know what you're doing
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| 19:04 | <KingOfKYA_> is there planes for it to some to hardy at a later note or should i upgrade to next version it get it or downgrade
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| 19:06 | is there planes to update hardy or should i up to next version
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| 19:06 | of ubuntue
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| 19:06 | <johnny> i don't think there are any plans
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| 19:06 | <KingOfKYA_> never mind ansered my owne question
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| 19:07 | yeah i now read the ver of the instructions 8.10
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| 19:07 | ok thanks
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| 21:47 | <KingOfKYA_> on ubuntu 8.10 my ltsp clients will not load applications locally i have ltsp-localapps setup but its
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| 21:48 | donsend do anything where can i look in terms of logs
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| 21:51 | on ubuntu 8.10 my ltsp clients will not load applications locally i have ltsp-localapps setup but it does not do anything where can i look in terms of logs
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| 22:00 | <Ryan52> KingOfKYA_ has never heard of punctuation, apparently.
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| 22:06 | <SDuensin> Anybody know how to get thin-client-manager to actually talk to x11vnc? It keeps telling me to install it on the client... I did!
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| 22:08 | Or give up and use iTALC?
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| 22:08 | <Ryan52> SDuensin, try in #edubuntu
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| 22:08 | <SDuensin> ko
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| 22:08 | Thanks
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| 23:25 | * SDuensin throws iTALC out the window | |
| 23:26 | <SDuensin> I can't get ica to run on the thinclient. Grrr.
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