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Channel log from 19 July 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:12 | <acp_> hi my distro is ubuntu 8.04 ltsp is running, Im having problem with the sound even is not that loud even I max the volume, I created /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and place the following SOUND = Y,SOUND_DAEMON = nasd, VOLUME = 100 but still no luck
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| 00:12 | ops sorry let me rephrase it
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| 00:13 | my workstation have low sound even the volume is on max
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| 00:14 | <acp_> i create lts.conf to place the foollowing entry SOUND = Y,SOUND_DAEMON = nasd, VOLUME = 100
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| 08:35 | <cyberorg> japerry, reached OSCON?
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| 10:06 | <siki> Hello all. I have problem using localdev. In case that I use ldm localdev work as expected but I need to use kdm and running startx. Please help
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| 10:09 | ltsp 5, ubuntu
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| 10:18 | <siki> :'(
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| 15:11 | <ogra> vagrantc, hey
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| 15:11 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 15:11 | <ogra> seems i really messed up my hotel booking ... i should have booked earlier
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> uh-oh.
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| 15:12 | <ogra> only rooms at airport hotels :/
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| 15:12 | or hilariously expensive ones
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> ogra: there's a hostel not far from freegeek...
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| 15:12 | <ogra> hmm, googlemaps didnt show it
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> worst case, i'm sure i can find a couch or something
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| 15:12 | <ogra> but i guess it wont be registered as hotel there
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 15:13 | i'll look for some options
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| 15:14 | <ogra> well, i think i'll book a room at an airport hotel for the first night or two and we can sort it out then, so i'm on the safe side if the hostel is booked because of oscon or so
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| 15:14 | that takes the pressure out
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> http://www.portlandhostel.org/
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| 15:15 | * ogra lols about the prices | |
| 15:15 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 15:15 | <ogra> thats quite different to what i looked at today
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| 15:16 | the nearest i got would have cosetd something like $1200 for the stay
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| 15:16 | <stgraber> hmm, suddenly the flight becomes cheap :)
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| 15:16 | <ogra> yeah
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| 15:16 | well, its just dollars
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| 15:16 | but still a lot
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> worst case, i can put a couple people up at hotel vagrant :)
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| 15:17 | * stgraber loves the current conversion rate :) 1$ = 1CHF, easy to remember | |
| 15:17 | <ogra> airport hotel is around $120/night
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| 15:17 | yeah, i would take that :)
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> got a tiny little place that's reasonably close to a bus that goes close to freegeek
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> but portlandhostel.org is only about 20 blocks away from freegeek...
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| 15:18 | <ogra> anything that can hold my bag and me will suffice
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| 15:19 | yeah, looks good, i'll try to book there
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| 15:19 | * ogra curses about classmate sillyness ... | |
| 15:19 | <ogra> i'D love to know why i cant get any dhcp address with the wired card :/
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| 15:20 | funnily the one that doesnt use squashfs/unionfs doesnt show that habit at all
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| 15:20 | <stgraber> you at least have one :) Mine is still somewhere between London and me ...
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| 15:20 | <ogra> but on its way ?
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| 15:21 | <stgraber> should be according to last mail from Rich (2 weeks ago)
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| 15:21 | <ogra> 2 weeks ?
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| 15:21 | <stgraber> yes, that's why I'm wonderding what's happening with it :)
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| 15:21 | <ogra> i doubt it was snet then ... i usually have HW from the london office within a few days
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| 15:21 | <stgraber> Richard wasn't around this week so I don't really know what's happening
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| 15:21 | <ogra> unless swiss customs is evil or something it should be there already
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| 15:22 | <stgraber> all I know is that I'm leaving switzerland in less than 3 weeks and it'll need to be there before that :)
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| 15:22 | <ogra> well, he was working, just not in any public channels
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| 15:22 | (having to finish up some stuff)
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| 15:22 | <laga> ogra try aufs on the classmate? i like blaming unionfs..
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| 15:23 | <ogra> laga, no option, the image has to be done asap ... i cant change the design at this stage
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| 15:23 | <laga> ah. i assumed it'd be a simple patch
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| 15:23 | <ogra> its one of two critical bugs but i have not even a trace to find out whats causing it
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| 15:24 | i wanted to try the intrepid kernel but neither unionfs nor aufs are in there yet
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| 15:24 | and dkms isnt really an option on a classmate ....
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| 15:24 | <stgraber> ok, I'll nag him next week then as I should get access to those non-public channels
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| 15:24 | <ogra> (which will be the default way n 8.10)
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| 15:24 | stgraber, ??
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| 15:24 | stgraber, dont say you start at canonical !
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| 15:24 | <stgraber> I do, for a month
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| 15:25 | * ogra humps stgraber's leg | |
| 15:25 | <stgraber> QA team stuff
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| 15:25 | <ogra> yay
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| 15:25 | thats so great !!
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| 15:25 | just stay then ... no need to cancel it after a month :)
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| 15:26 | <stgraber> well, I'll start working at revolution linux in less than a month too :)
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| 15:26 | I'll work for Canonical as some kind of "free time job" so basically doing what I currently do but receiving money for it :)
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| 15:27 | (ok and I also needed access to some servers that community people can't access)
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| 15:27 | * ogra is one of the people that try to keep the level between community people and business people in a sane area .... | |
| 15:27 | <ogra> i dont want canonical to become a second redhat or novell :)
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| 15:28 | people that slap the business guys from time to time to not turn it into something like that are massively important for that
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| 15:28 | <stgraber> indeed
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| 15:29 | * ogra is still bitter we didnt get vagrantc ... | |
| 15:33 | * stgraber continues reviewing RevolutionLinux's packages ... they plan to get those integrated in Universe but they aren't quite ready for that yet. | |
| 15:33 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, i definitely fucked up a bit on that anyways
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| 15:33 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, both sides did
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> ogra: fair enough
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| 15:35 | ogra: i'm hoping we can spend some time to reduce the diff on our debian dirs at the hackfest...
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| 15:35 | <ogra> fine with me
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| 15:35 | i cant really tell how ltsp in 8.10 wil look like though
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| 15:36 | with all the changes to the kernel setup i dont even have a workign setup atm
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> ouch
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| 15:36 | i think what's in lenny now is likely going to be what we release with, maybe with a few more patches here and there.
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| 15:36 | <stgraber> well, we don't have a working Desktop CD either so ... :)
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| 15:36 | <ogra> well, thats low lvel, i can work on hardy for the scripting etc
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| 15:37 | it shouldnt make much difference
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| 15:42 | <ogra> wow, intresting
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| 15:43 | if you run out of diskspace on /boot while uninstalling linux-image and linux-ubuntu-modules and linux-image is gone, the postrm of linux-ubuntu-modules still tries to run update-initramfs, even though there is no initramfs anymore
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| 15:45 | * ogra glares at #ubuntu-bugs | |
| 15:45 | <ogra> launchpad is at 250000 bugs ...
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| 15:46 | <stgraber> Adding `diversion of /sbin/start-stop-daemon to /sbin/start-stop-daemon.real by ltsp-client'
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| 15:46 | cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/ltsp/scripts/start-stop-daemon': No such file or directory
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| 15:46 | that's current LTSP in Intrepid
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| 15:46 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 15:46 | <ogra> well, even if that wasnt there ...
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| 15:47 | you have no union filesystem of any kind atm
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| 15:48 | <stgraber> how are they dealing with that for the desktop CD ?
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| 15:48 | <ogra> no idea, i'm still working on hardy as half of us does
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| 15:49 | i have seen intrepid only in chroots yet
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| 15:50 | <stgraber> I'm running Intrepid on my lappy but no trace of aufs or unionfs so ...
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| 15:51 | <ogra> right
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| 15:51 | all i did for 8.10 yet was getting my merges done and implement compcache support in initramfs
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| 15:51 | which nothing uses yet
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| 15:54 | * ogra hopes the portland mosquitos are less greedy than the boston ones ... i look like a junkie that doesnt manage to find the right place for his needle atm .... scratching myself to death | |
| 15:55 | <stgraber> ogra: CONFIG_AUFS=y
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| 15:55 | ogra: doesn't that mean aufs is built-in the kernel ?
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| 15:55 | <ogra> hmm
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| 15:55 | why would we do that ?
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| 15:56 | * ogra makes a note to ask ben on monday | |
| 15:56 | <stgraber> no idea but that's what I have in /boot/config-2.6.24-4-generic
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| 15:56 | <ogra> appears silly to me
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| 15:57 | <stgraber> indeed, it doesn't make sense to have it built-in as it's not used except by the livecd and ltsp ...
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| 15:57 | sounds like wasted memory to me
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| 15:57 | <ogra> but that explains why i didnt find the module anywhere :)
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| 16:02 | <johnny> beep beep
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> ogra: mosquitoes should be minimal
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| 16:02 | johnny: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/HackFest2008
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| 16:02 | <johnny> vagrantc, in seattle atm.. leaving tomorrow
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| 16:03 | forgot my wikiname
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| 16:03 | oops
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| 16:04 | <ogra> tomorrow already ? going to oscon ?
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> rcy: you coming to portland for the hackfest next weekend?
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| 16:05 | <johnny> xmpp dev hopefully
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| 16:05 | i can't afford oscon
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| 16:05 | that's waaay out of my price range
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| 16:05 | <rcy> vagrantc: yeah i am... i have zero travel plans and no place to stay lined up yet... but the plan is to somehow get there
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| 16:06 | <vagrantc> johnny: you could probably kill a few days hanging at freegeek and exploring pdx
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| 16:06 | rcy: if you need a hand lining up any of that, i can try and hook you up
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| 16:06 | <ogra> rcy, vagrantc just recommended a nice hostel near freegeek
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| 16:06 | <johnny> xmpp summit is on the 21st and 22nd
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| 16:06 | so then i'll have a few days to come to freegeek in between
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| 16:07 | i'll be there from the 20-30
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| 16:07 | <rcy> ogra: i missed the link to the hostel
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> rcy: http://www.portlandhostel.org
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| 16:07 | <johnny> and then i take take the coast starlight, california zephyr, and capitol limited back home :)
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| 16:08 | gonna be on the cascades tomorrow
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| 16:08 | <rcy> how many people are expected at the hackfest?
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| 16:08 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 16:08 | <johnny> you missed the link to that too rcy
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| 16:08 | :)
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> rcy: with you, 11 for sure.
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| 16:08 | <ogra> a bunch :)
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| 16:08 | <johnny> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/HackFest2008
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> maybe a few more
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| 16:08 | <ogra> or bunch+1
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| 16:09 | <johnny> somebody wanna update me on that wiki.. so i don't have to figure out my wikiname/password ?
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| 16:09 | <jammcq> I can do it
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| 16:09 | <johnny> Johnny Robeson, Baltimore, MD
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| 16:10 | <jammcq> done
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| 16:10 | <johnny> thanks
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| 16:10 | <jammcq> I changed the bullet list to a numbered list
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| 16:11 | seems like we're missing about 4 people
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> yeah, last time i counted, it was more like 15
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| 16:12 | i'm forgetting who i'mforgetting
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| 16:12 | anyone from the opensuse crowd?
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| 16:14 | <jammcq> good question. I saw a message on the developer list that kiwiltsp would be represented at OSCON, so hopefully that person will be able to join us
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| 16:20 | ah, 10 with rcy
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| 16:20 | <jammcq> i'm gonna modify that page to make it a table, where people can register their arrival/departure times
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| 16:26 | <stgraber> hmm, only 7/13 of MilleXterm's packages would be good enough for inclusion in Ubuntu. Way better than some weeks ago though :)
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| 16:26 | <jammcq> ok, if anyone wants to plug in their arrival/depart times
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| 16:26 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/HackFest2008
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> jammcq: oh, i had put Ryan52 in as ryan ... didn't know rcy was also a ryan
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| 16:53 | * ogra does a somersault | |
| 16:53 | <ogra> YAY
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| 16:53 | 2.6.26 makes the wired network work :)
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| 16:54 | stgraber, thanks a lot for the hint that aufs is builtin, that way i could hack up the initramfs script to make it boot for testing finally ....
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| 16:54 | that took three days ...
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| 17:37 | <ryudo> Hi all
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| 17:37 | johnny hi
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| 17:37 | you a sabayon's developer ?
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| 17:48 | <rcy> vagrantc: oops
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| 17:49 | i assumed that was for me
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> rcy: no problem :)
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| 18:42 | <ryudo> vagrantc :D
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| 18:42 | hi
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| 18:43 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 18:43 | <ryudo> you now how much bandwidth 10 thinclents consume ? 100 Mbits is enough ?
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> depends on what they're doing
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| 18:44 | definitely have more than 10 here at freegeek, and it works fine.
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| 18:47 | <ryudo> flash openoffice firefox :)
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| 18:48 | <vagrantc> ryudo: the latter two should be fine, overall.
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| 18:48 | <ryudo> in my case
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| 18:48 | i have 21 terminals on 100 Mbits lan
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| 18:48 | and is very slow
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| 18:49 | i need use two interfaces (using diferents ip ranges on dhcp) or use a gigabit backbone
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| 19:13 | <loather> as long as the server has a gigabit link you should be fine
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| 19:13 | or you could bond two 100mbps links, but that sucks
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| 19:22 | <ryudo> hum
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| 19:22 | i not will bond
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| 19:22 | i will use two interfaces
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| 19:22 | i have 22 clients on two switchs (16ports each)
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| 19:23 | i will use 11 client each switch
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> ryudo: you sure it's too slow networking? or could it be disk? or something else?
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| 19:24 | <ryudo> vagrantc its the lan !
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| 19:25 | i use RAID-1 (2160 SATA II NCQ)
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| 19:25 | 2x160
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| 19:26 | my network is the bottleneck, because when arriving at a rate of 11.7 Mbits .. is impossible to use terminals
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| 19:27 | when the eth1 on server ltsp reaches 11.7 Mbits, everything is very slow
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| 19:27 | i use gnome monitor ou dstat for diagnostic
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| 19:28 | <johnny> why not buy gigabit card?
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| 19:28 | and a switch with gigabit upstream..
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| 19:29 | cheaper than full gigabit i guess
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| 19:29 | <ryudo> i dont have a switch wich gigabit uplink port :(
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| 19:29 | i have two switchs ehehe
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| 19:29 | poor :{
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| 19:29 | johnny listen
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| 19:30 | sabayon have a lot bugs in HARDY 64bits version !
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| 19:30 | <johnny> make your users poney up a $1 per use :).. you'll afford it
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| 19:30 | i'm sure it does
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| 19:30 | <ryudo> its unasable !
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| 19:30 | <johnny> now if only i had time to work on it
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| 19:30 | <ryudo> heehe goood idea
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| 19:31 | <johnny> it wouldn't take long.. .. since you would prolly only need $100 USD
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| 19:31 | it wouldn't be the best.. but ti would be better than what you have
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| 19:31 | ryudo, nobody pays me to work on sabayon.. so it's hard to make good time for it, as i have many other unpaid committments as well
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| 19:32 | sayamindu might take care of a few bugs soon tho
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| 19:32 | <ryudo> | |
| 19:32 | I recently swapped the server, swapped a atlhon 3700 + 4GB + 80GB SATAII by a c2Quad Q6600 + 4GB + 2x160 NCQ SATAII RAID
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| 19:35 | I know johnny, excuse me, if I plan know programing (c etc) I help you, the sabayon is a great software for what he proposes to do
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| 19:35 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: no questions really. will probably catch up w/ some folks at oscon thursday anyway
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| 19:38 | <johnny> python is a good language to learn
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| 19:38 | ryudo, i'm also n00b to python
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| 19:39 | i've only done the triaging
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| 19:39 | that's what i will do before end of next week, is go over all redhat/ubuntu/suse bugtrackers and see what floats up
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