IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 14 November 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:43 | <bennabiy> Has anyone issued a xen or kvm kernel as a fat client for the sake of a semi cloudlike VM farm?
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| 03:36 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: what exactly do you mean?
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| 04:22 | * alkisg waves | |
| 04:23 | <alkisg> vagrantc: are we going to have the ltsp day this week?
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| 04:25 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i probably don't have time
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| 04:26 | <alkisg> Ouch :(
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| 04:26 | * vagrantc pouts | |
| 04:27 | <alkisg> vagrantc: We were talking with sbalneav yesterday and I was thinking that I prefer for libpam_sshauth to land later on in ltsp, so that we have a chance to progressively prepare the code base for it
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| 04:27 | I.e. to first do the "user-owned ssh socket" change, then replace xatomwait with either an ssh communication or with xprop -spy,
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| 04:27 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it seems like it can be introduced in parallel, which would make it easier to integrate slowly
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| 04:27 | <alkisg> then implement user-started pulse etc
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| 04:28 | Sure, I just don't feel ready to ditch ldm just yet, it would make ltsp unusable for a very long time, and hard to work on
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| 04:28 | <vagrantc> so far I haven't seen anything that requires changing anything upstream, other than a few more hooks at runtime
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| 04:28 | <alkisg> So, is it OK if we start making such ^ changes right now in trunk?
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| 04:29 | * alkisg has tried user-started pulseaudio, it just needs transferring a cookie via ssh | |
| 04:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'd like to get one more upload in before, but i can always fork the branch or something.
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| 04:30 | alkisg: although if you think these changes won't be too disruptive, maybe it's worth waiting a bit
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| 04:30 | <alkisg> They'll need testing, so it's probably better that you upload first
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| 04:30 | <vagrantc> i might be able to get an upload in friday or saturday or monday
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| 04:32 | <alkisg> So my initial roadmap would be: (2) always create the local user, (2) make the ssh socket user-owned, (3) drop xatomwait, (4) user pulse, (5) drop cdpinger etc and try udisks for automounting instead
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| 04:32 | s/2/1/
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| 04:32 | If you don't mind me doing those in trunk after you upload, that is...
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| 04:33 | And then (5) select thin or fat on login, not on boot
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| 04:33 | *6
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| 04:34 | Ditching LDM would be much easier after all those...
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| 04:34 | So maybe we could have e.g. ltsp 5.5 for jessie, and ditch ldm later on in ltsp 6
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| 04:35 | Ah, and (7) the ltspd configuration daemon
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| 04:36 | Those will need months of work, and I'd feel more confortable if ltsp continued to be production ready at every change, and not wait until all those are implemented...
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| 04:36 | vagrantc: agreed?
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| 04:49 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i think those are great next steps, but i'm not wanting to commit jessie to 5.5 only :P
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| 04:50 | i still have this fantasy of making ltsp6 ready enough to be the default by freeze time a year from now.
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| 04:50 | and at least making it an option side-by-side with ldm 6 months from now.
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| 04:50 | ready by freeze time, at least for me, meaans ready for a few months beforehand
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| 04:50 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I don't want to limit where ltsp is until jessie, I just want to concentrate on a specific roadmap, and starting with ditching ldm feels wrong, while that ^ sounds more progressive...
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| 04:50 | <vagrantc> alkisg: agreed.
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| 04:51 | <alkisg> I.e. I don't want to start with a clean tree and pull stuff over from ltsp 5 like sbalneav prefers
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| 04:51 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 04:51 | <alkisg> I think that would make ltsp unusable for months - that's what I'm trying to get a concensus on, to start with those ^ changes first
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| 05:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: those sound like good next steps to me.
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| 05:00 | <alkisg> Cool, thank you :)
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| 05:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and could probably target jessie with those changes sooner than later to get them more widely explored
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| 05:01 | <alkisg> You could re-upload after any of those changes are committed, sure
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| 05:16 | * alkisg wonders if all that mess in X01-localapps could be replaced with an `getent group $(id -G)`... | |
| 05:18 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i think it was tried, but broke in some LDAP/active directory based setups
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| 05:18 | alkisg: we tried so many permutations, though, maybe you've hit upon one that might work
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| 05:18 | alkisg: i think it needed to support groups with spaces in them
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| 05:18 | <alkisg> I saw 2 comments there, one for getent group not returning groups from pam_group, and one for spaces,
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| 05:19 | but we can't create groups with spaces anyway, so I wonder what we're doing there...
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| 05:20 | <vagrantc> we need to find a better method for group handling than libnss-extrausers, as it doesn't handle groups lower than gid 500 :(
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| 05:20 | namely, fuse...
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| 05:20 | but any other system-based group, too.
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| 05:20 | <alkisg> getent group $(id -G) | while IFS=: read gname x gid junk; do echo "$gname,$gid"; done => this should work with groups with spaces
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| 05:21 | Anyone here that can run that ^ in a samba/AD system?
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| 05:29 | bbl..
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| 06:58 | <alkisg> Is someone using LDAP or AD, and has groups with spaces in their names? If so, could you please try if this command works? It's supposed to list all your groups along with their GIDs:
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| 06:58 | getent group $(id -G) | cut -d: -f1,3
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| 09:55 | <school_ger> Hello, is there any change connecting to an LTSP Server without PXE?
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| 13:38 | <claude_> Hi I've got a strange bug with epoptes
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| 13:39 | I'm able to connect control clients login logoff shutdown but...
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| 13:40 | But screen sharing is blocked from me to logged users
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| 13:40 | Any idea how to fix /debug that ?
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> claude_: are you using ltsp?
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| 13:42 | <claude_> Yes of course ;=)
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> claude_: to resolve this faster, can we use vnc for screen sharing? x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 13:48 | <claude_> Doubt on possibilities our bandwith is too small
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| 13:48 | Any log I can find ?
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| 13:51 | ?
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> launch both epoptes and epoptes-client from a terminal
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| 14:01 | <claude_> alkisg: Yes I've got that http://pastebin.com/588RgFKg
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| 14:01 | when i try to share my screen
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> You don't have x11vnc installed?
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| 14:03 | ...in the chroot?
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| 14:03 | or in the server?
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| 14:05 | <claude_> alkisg: Yes, indeed
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| 14:09 | @ install done and it's working now :-)
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| 14:15 | alkisg: Thanks a lot. I'm asking our dev to add that to the build
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> dev? which distro?
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| 14:18 | <claude_> alkisg: http://eole.orion.education.fr/index.php/eclair
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> Nice, if you guys need anything from us (epoptes devs), just ping :)
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| 14:21 | <claude_> alkisg: That perfect for me. I'm sure that the core team is already in touch. Cheers. Thanks, Bye
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> bb
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| 14:59 | <SilentStorm> Hello all!
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| 14:59 | I've searching a howto or document about using NX with LTSP 5.4.x can anybody have an idea?
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| 21:13 | <markit> hi alkisg, Phantomas
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| 21:13 | alkisg: this evening epoptes had 17 strings changed that needed translation for italian, now there is just 1, was the translation support in launchpad fooled?
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| 21:16 | <alkisg> Hi markit, wait for Phantomas to answer that one :)
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| 21:18 | <markit> alkisg: I've a question for you then, clients have "server" as epoptes server. Can the teacher (belonging to epoptes group) run epoptes from wherever he wants? I mean, can he use a client or has to run it from the server?
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| 21:19 | <alkisg> From thin client => directly, from fat client => http://www.epoptes.org/documentation/fat-clients
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| 21:20 | markit: Phantomas is preparing a new release that will have the speedup committed (x11vnc -threads) ;)
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| 21:21 | <markit> alkisg: oh, documentation, so good :)
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| 21:21 | ah, I thought was already committed, my bad
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| 21:21 | I'm using greek repos...
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| 21:22 | btw, I do hope to be able to deploy ltsp in one more school where has begun studying my older child
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| 21:23 | but anything different from the M$ path is saw as evil... except if iEvil
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| 21:23 | so I'm just crossing my fingers and wait (I've sent my proposal)
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| 21:23 | alkisg: btw, I've found a german shop that sells second hand hardware
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| 21:24 | I've found some "bulk" offers like 9 monitors of 19" for 200 euros or something like that
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| 21:24 | have you ever evaluated this option for "poor" schools (in italy almost all schools are "poor")
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| 21:27 | * alkisg has personally installed ltsp in more than 20 schools in the last two months... | |
| 21:28 | <alkisg> But no, we don't usually buy second hand hardware, only ram for the existing clients + a brand new server
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| 21:28 | <bennabiy> alkisg: is there any support for persistent home directories? (like flash media)?
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| 21:28 | <alkisg> Plus a switch, so a school upgrades to LTSP with at most 500€
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| 21:28 | bennabiy: you mean local home directories?
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| 21:29 | <bennabiy> I mean carrying around a home directory on a flash drive for travelling between labs
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| 21:29 | <alkisg> So that /home/username is local, for fat clients, instead of using sshfs to connect to the server?
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| 21:29 | <bennabiy> with DE configs and such
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| 21:29 | <alkisg> You can put FSTAB_1='...mount the stick in /home' for that
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| 21:30 | <bennabiy> for thin client would it work?
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| 21:30 | <markit> alkisg: wondering what you can buy with 500 euros... 180 is for the 24port gbit netgear switch, then you can have a "server" with the 320 euros left?
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| 21:31 | <alkisg> markit: cheapest server = 300€ laptop, cheapest switch = 60€ with 16 fast ethernet ports + 1 gigabit, and DDR RAM for olderfat clients = 18€ per gigabyte
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| 21:31 | <markit> sure I've the problem that kde requides double bandwidth to boot than gnome-fallback, but I've one cheap server and does not work that well (dual core, 4GB ram, ssd disk)
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| 21:32 | <alkisg> bennabiy: there's no automatic way to mount the local usb stick in /home/username on the server
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| 21:32 | <markit> mmmm good shot regarding the switch, is just that I'm very optimistic and hope gbit clients will be available sooner or later ;P
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| 21:33 | <bennabiy> Unless it was mounted over the servers /home/username by plugging directly into the server, right?
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| 21:33 | by the lab admin ahead of time
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| 21:33 | <alkisg> ...yup
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| 21:33 | <bennabiy> hmm, that might work :)
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| 21:34 | <markit> but 100Mbs -> 10MB -> 1/5 of a local disk, sounds slow like hell starting libreoffice for instance
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| 21:34 | <alkisg> markit: for 10+ clients it doesn't make much difference if the switch has 1 gigabit port or many. I'm waiting for switches with a 10 gigabit port ;)
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| 21:35 | markit: it's not like that
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| 21:35 | 10 MB/sec, sure, but squashfs'ed, so that amounds to 25 MB/sec,
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| 21:35 | and, with zero seek time, so it's a bit like an SSD disk
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| 21:35 | <markit> alkisg: why? compression does not work very well with binary files, no?
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| 21:36 | zero seek time for the second client you mean (since has been cached?)
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| 21:36 | <alkisg> /opt/ltsp/i386 => 1 Gb, /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img => 400 MB
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| 21:36 | <markit> btw, have you tried with a swappiness much lower than default?
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| 21:36 | <alkisg> Yes, for the second +
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| 21:36 | Nope, have you noticed any difference with it?
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| 21:36 | <markit> maybe is because I seldom use windows, so my speed expectatino are too high ;P
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| 21:37 | <alkisg> Fat clients here boot much faster than local installations
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| 21:37 | <markit> alkisg: no, not tested yet, I will do some test then, I've to re-start the ltsp stuff if that new school accepts
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| 21:38 | alkisg: also in the past you told me about performances I was never able to meet, or at least I did not perceived to be fast enough
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| 21:38 | <alkisg> markit: there's also a very easy way to put the i386.img image on the local disks, and tell ltsp to use that, if your disks are much faster than your network
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| 21:39 | <markit> sure if KDE moves the 2X amount of data at startup than gnome fallback, the perception is of a much slower system
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| 21:39 | <alkisg> !local-boot
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| 21:39 | <ltsp`> local-boot: If you want LTSP fat clients on a low-speed network, you can put i386.img on e.g. C:\Boot\LTSP\i386.img and use this command line in pxelinux.cfg: APPEND ro initrd=ltsp/i386/initrd.img init=/sbin/init-ltsp root=/dev/sda1 rootflags=ro loop=/Boot/LTSP/i386.img; IPAPPEND 3
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| 21:39 | <markit> alkisg: I'm always fascinated my your deep knowledge
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| 21:40 | wow, C:\ LOL
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| 21:41 | <alkisg> Usually if they have a local disk, it has windows in it :)
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| 21:41 | <markit> that's my case with new school :)
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| 21:42 | only problem is that you must put our of the boot order, otherwise if they turn clients on before server they go back to hell ;P
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| 22:51 | <WindowsFreeOneDa> Does ltsp offer any type of application publishing like Citrix or only a full terminal desktop?
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| 23:12 | <WindowsFreeOneDa> Hmm, ok no bites, I am guessing I will have to look more at 2x or Ericom or back at Citrix to publish applications. Thanks anyways!
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