IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 January 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:04 | <gbaman> Am I missing something? Does LTSP interfere with udev in some way? Am having weird issues where an LTSP fat client is ignoring my rules...
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| 04:27 | <gbaman> vagrantc: Does LTSP mess around with udev rules by any chance? Having weird issues with a rule not firing..
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| 04:28 | <vagrantc> gbaman: ltspfs uses udev to trigger it
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| 04:28 | <gbaman> But that shouldn't interfere with any other udev rules, right?
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| 04:30 | The new Pi kernels come with a new module, bcm2835_gpiomem, which creates /dev/gpiomem. Permissions need to be set for it using a udev rule (owner group needs to be gpio), but with LTSP, it seems to ignore it? Only correctly applies the permissions when the module is completely unloaded then reloaded
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| 04:32 | Has had me head scratching for a number of hours (and forced me to learn about udev), so am open to any suggestions vagrantc
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| 04:59 | <vagrantc> well, i'd respond... if you were still here
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| 05:01 | <TheProf> Hello. I am running LTSP (edubuntu 12.04) and my thin clients have started to not work correctly. They PXE boot into a BusyBox prompt. How could I solve this please?
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| 13:00 | <Hec-Thor> hi i have never used IRC but lets give it a try
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| 13:02 | i hope you can help me, the thing is, i mounted a lubuntu desktop and installed ltsp, but i happen to have the same problem one person faced about year and a half ago, i found a conversation between
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| 13:03 | jujube and hyperbyte, link here: http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2014-09-04 but it never got fixed
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| 13:04 | <Hec-Thor> so while i try to log it wont enter, like the wheel keeps spinning and thats it
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| 13:04 | have tried to build the image again, i installed the DE to see if that did the work, but it didnt
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| 13:19 | <lee> Hec-Thor: if you have never used irc before then the most important thing I can tell you is: wait for an answer (likely hours 'til someone who knows about it sees the question)
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| 13:26 | <Hec-Thor> lee: thank u, i suspected that. Well i update my problem by saying that i reviewed the entire conversation and found that Jujubee fixed his problem by making a installation from scratch in ubuntu 14.04, however thats the same thing i did {this has happened to me twice} so im gonna check the docs he was provided, hoping somewhere there is a thing i missed the first time.
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| 13:27 | btw, does someone knows if i made an image for thin client and i make one for a fat client, may i have some diferent reaction? maybe i can make it log in?
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| 13:28 | will try right now
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| 13:57 | <Hyperbyte> Hec-Thor, hi!
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| 13:57 | :-)
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| 13:58 | <Hec-Thor> hi!
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| 13:58 | <Hyperbyte> Hec-Thor, what happens exactly? The client boots normally, then your enter username and password and see a spinning wheel and nothing happens?
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| 13:59 | (I haven't fully read the irc logs you linked to)
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| 13:59 | <Hec-Thor> exactly that way
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| 14:02 | <Hyperbyte> How did you install LTSP?
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| 14:04 | <Hec-Thor> well i installed lubuntu, then lstp-sever-standalone
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| 14:04 | configured the dhcp server, configured my network card as static
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| 14:05 | then create the image
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| 14:05 | a thin client
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| 14:05 | and, since that point, it cant log on
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| 14:06 | havent tried much since im a windows user actually
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| 14:07 | well there was not much to do i mean it didnt throw back a error number or anything
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| 14:08 | right now im trying to create a fat client instead since i read it boots kind of diferently
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| 14:51 | <Hyperbyte> Hec-Thor, first of - if something doesn't work, you debug it. You don't just try something else randomly. This isn't Windows, with Linux you can debug and solve your problems.
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| 14:52 | Why I'm saying that, is because there is some reason why your first setup doesn't work. There's either something wrong with the code, the hardware, or you're doing something wrong. If you don't find out what it is, there's no guarantee you won't run into problems again, maybe even at a later stage.
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| 14:52 | Secondly, thin clients and fat clients are two entirely different things. You have to choose what is most appropriate for your setup.
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| 14:53 | Thin clients are great, because they enable you to utilize powerful server hardware, while having slow client hardware.
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| 14:54 | For example, I maintain LTSP for one company that has a server with dual Opteron processors and 64 GB RAM. I bought small computers without any fans or moving parts, and installed them as thin clients so they're still incredibly fast and powerful.
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| 14:54 | While not having noise/heat generated at the individual workplaces.
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| 14:55 | On the other hand, if your clients have about the same hardware specs as the server, you're better off with fat clients.
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| 14:56 | Both thin & fat clients boot all their software from the network, can be managed/updated centrally. But thin clients start a small login manager after booting, which lets a user log in to the server, and then starts the entire desktop on the server. So it doesn't use the client hardware.
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| 14:57 | Fat clients boot similarly from network, show the same login prompt, but rather start the entire desktop and all programs on the client (like any 'normal' computer does)
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| 14:58 | <Hyperbyte> So you need to choose what is most appropriate for your use case. Let me know what that is, and then let's talk about how to best go about installing it.
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| 15:07 | <Hec-Thor> thank you, im not sure how i could debug it. However, since i read the diference between fat and thin, i thought maybe i could switch to fat [wich im doing ] and make it log in since like you said, it starts the so on the client
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| 15:07 | i wanted thin but since its not much diference between host and client, i can use fat
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| 15:08 | if as a fat client it doesnt log in either then i would believe the problem is in the log part, and in that case i would know what to do
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| 15:12 | <Hec-Thor_> im back
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| 15:15 | <Hec-Thor_> so, i made it a fat client, didn't work, however now it takes me back to the log in instead of just spin the mouse wheel
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| 15:17 | i mean it looks like is going to log but then the screen goes black and returns to log in
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| 15:18 | it appeared a prompt for like 2 secs
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| 15:35 | <Hec-Thor> ok so it throws this back: starting ntp server ntpd samed diabled; edit /etc/default/samed restoring resolver state... and then goes back to log in screen
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| 15:51 | <Hec-Thor_> im not sure how to enable it in the client, either if enabling it will result in something good
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| 16:15 | <Hyperbyte> Hec-Thor_, so now you have two issues, one with thin clients and one with fat.
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| 16:15 | Which one should we debug?
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| 16:15 | <Hec-Thor_> lol really? thought it was an improvement
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| 16:15 | im gonna stick with fat
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| 16:15 | <Hyperbyte> If there's not much difference between server and client, then I'd suggest you go the fat client way, because if you go thin, -all- software from -all- clients will run on -one- pc, the server.
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| 16:16 | So tell me more about your environment
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| 16:16 | How many clients, what purpose
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| 16:16 | Also, will the server be used for other things besides server LTSP, or is that a dedicated machine for LTSP?
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| 16:19 | <Hec-Thor_> yes exactly :) im trying to install ltsp so i can use rdesktop and connect to the server wich will have virtualbox with windows, so i can serve 3 old pcs
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| 16:20 | wich my family could use instead of one
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| 16:20 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 16:20 | Then you want thin clients, not fat.
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| 16:20 | And you want
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| 16:20 | !screen_rdesktop
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| 16:20 | <ltsp`> Error: "screen_rdesktop" is not a valid command.
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| 16:20 | <Hyperbyte> !rdesktop
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| 16:20 | <ltsp`> Error: "rdesktop" is not a valid command.
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| 16:20 | <Hyperbyte> ...
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| 16:20 | !rdp
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| 16:20 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'rdp', but I do know about these similar topics: 'RDP-localdev', 'freerdp', 'win8-rdp'
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| 16:20 | <Hyperbyte> !freedrp
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| 16:20 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'freedrp', but I do know about these similar topics: 'freerdp'
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| 16:20 | <Hyperbyte> !freerdp
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| 16:20 | <ltsp`> freerdp: http://www.freerdp.com/ is a new RDP implementation which is more actively maintained than rdesktop. Newer LTSP versions support SCREEN_07=xfreerdp <params>.
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| 16:20 | <Hyperbyte> Something like that.
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| 16:21 | If your thin clients hang during login process, doesn't matter. You don't need to log in to Linux, you just need to start xfreerdp instead of the LTSP login prompt.
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| 16:21 | Then you're done.
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| 16:22 | This is kind of the reason why I said, always debug before just doing something random. If you'd sticked with the broken thin client setup, we'd have it working probably by changing one config file. :-)
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| 16:23 | So remove /opt/ltsp, build a new thin client, then we probably need to install xfreerdp into the client chroot and edit lts.conf
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| 16:24 | <Hyperbyte> You can install software in the client chroot by running: ltsp-chroot -p in a root terminal. It'll open a prompt "inside" the chroot. You can then apt-get update && apt-get install xfreerdp && apt-get clean
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| 16:24 | Then if that worked you can rebuild the chroot using ltsp-update-image
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| 16:24 | And then finally you need to edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf with SCREEN_07=xfreerdp <servername> and you're done.
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| 16:28 | <Hec-Thor_> that's amazing ! i didn't even imagined i could just skip log in. thank you very much, will let you know what happen
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| 16:28 | serioursly, thanks.
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| 16:53 | <Hyperbyte> Hec-Thor, you're welcome. :-)
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> Can't decide between Hercules and Thor? :)
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| 17:25 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, or his first name is Hector. ;-)
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| 18:37 | <Hec-Thor> !lst.conf
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| 18:37 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'lst.conf', but I do know about these similar topics: 'lts.conf'
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| 18:37 | <Hec-Thor> !lst
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| 18:37 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'lst', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ldm', 'leet', 'ltsp'
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| 18:38 | <Hec-Thor> !lts.conf
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| 18:38 | <ltsp`> lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
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| 20:26 | <Hec-Thor> hi, finally i got the freerdp running, however it stays in a black screen, so i would like to know if there is a way to see what is happening in the background? like a log that throws back the errors behind freerdp?
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| 20:28 | i configured it like this: [192.168.0.182] SCREEN_07=xfreerdp RDP_OPTIONS="/v:192.168.0.184 /port:3389 /cert-ignore"
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| 20:29 | hope someone knows :)
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> Hec-Thor: put SCREEN_07=xterm
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| 20:41 | reboot the client, you'll get an xterm instead of xfreerdp
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| 20:42 | From there, run the xfreerdp command that you want
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> Once you have the correct xfreerdp command, then put SCREEN_07="the whole command"
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| 20:42 | No RDP_OPTIONS involved
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| 20:58 | <Hyperbyte> Another satisfied customer.
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| 22:17 | <Hec-Thor> lol satisfied indeed, although i can't run freerdp even with the right command (or wich i think it is)
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| 22:17 | <donjon> !fuse
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| 22:17 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'fuse', but I do know about these similar topics: 'flash', 'future'
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| 22:18 | <Hec-Thor> i can run freerdp from this linux, connect to another windows computer (not vm)
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| 22:18 | <donjon> !usb
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| 22:18 | <ltsp`> usb: LTSP only supports usb filesystem devices, for other projects like http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ probably this isn't the correct channel to ask, not many people have mentioned it
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| 22:19 | <Hec-Thor> so i paste the same command in the lts.conf, but still, black screen with mouse pointer
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| 22:21 | is there a way to access the terminal skiping the log in like we did before? so i can see what the problem is?
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| 22:21 | <donjon> vagrant
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| 22:22 | i figured out the network printer problem
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| 22:22 | <donjon> in cups the printer needs to be set to shared....
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| 22:22 | <maldridge> that would do it
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| 22:23 | <donjon> ;)
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| 22:23 | however... the usb problem is still dogging me...
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| 22:24 | the usb drives load in the client but nothing can be written to the drive
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| 22:24 | i was wondering if its a change in /etc/fuse.conf....
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| 22:25 | <maldridge> so you can read but not write?
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| 22:25 | <vagrantc> filesystem permissions, more likely.
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| 22:25 | <donjon> correct...
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| 22:25 | <vagrantc> is it even using ltspfs?
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| 22:26 | "mount | grep ltsp" from a client
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| 22:26 | <donjon> but ubuntu builds the mounts under /media/username/drivename... when mounted... and the perms are correct
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| 22:27 | i don't think it even uses ltspfs... i will check on mount stats when i get access to lab again
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| 22:27 | really think its a fuse thing....
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> if it's not using ltspfs, then you'll want to debug it like any other ubuntu machine... nothing ltsp-specific about it
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| 22:28 | <donjon> yes, that could be... ;)
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| 22:28 | <vagrantc> for the most part, i don't think ubuntu will use fuse... unless you're mounting ntfs or something like that
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| 22:28 | mount | grep /media
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| 22:28 | <donjon> actually ubuntu uses fuse for most user mounts... they didn't used to but now they do
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| 22:28 | <vagrantc> that will tell what filesystem it's using
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| 22:29 | <donjon> yes.
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> can't keep up with what ubuntu' doing these days, sure.
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| 22:29 | <donjon> yeah... and they've been going through some pretty serious change ups lately
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| 22:30 | anyway the printer sharing worked in cups
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| 22:30 | silly me... now it makes sense ;)
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| 22:31 | sort of... there are still apps that dumped out to the printer when the sharing wasn't there... weird
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| 22:31 | <vagrantc> if we ever get the ball rollng again, LTSP fatclients will be even more just like any other system
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| 22:31 | for LTSP6
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| 22:31 | but that's... taking time
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| 22:31 | <donjon> cool
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| 22:38 | <vagrantc> donjon: well, sounds like you're making some progress! good luck with figuring out the rest!
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| 23:10 | <Hyperbyte> Hec-Thor, still there?
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| 23:12 | You can use SCREEN_02=xterm and SCREEN_07=xfreerdp at the same time
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| 23:12 | And use ctrl+alt+f2 and ctrl+alt+f7 to switch between them.
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| 23:13 | You could also try some things like pinging the server, to test network
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| 23:13 | <Hec-Thor> sure, i did that on the thin and tried to start freerdp from there, the error was: xf_pre_connect: failed to open display:
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| 23:14 | <Hyperbyte> That's because it needs a graphical session to run
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| 23:14 | I'm not too knowledged about starting a graphical session along with it unfortunately.
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| 23:15 | Try two things
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| 23:15 | Run getltscfg -a in SCREEN_02
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| 23:15 | See if the SCREEN_* options are loaded correctly like you would expect
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| 23:15 | And tell me, what is your SCREEN_07 line -exactly-?
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| 23:23 | <Hec-Thor> it says
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| 23:23 | syntax error in /etc/lts.conf line 8
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| 23:24 | SCREEN_02="shell" SCREEN_07="xfreerdp --ignore-certificate --no auth --sec rdp 192.168.0.103"
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| 23:24 | screen_02 export
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| 23:24 | screen_07 export
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| 23:24 | that's all
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| 23:25 | and actually line 8 in my lts is an ip for another client
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| 23:26 | this: [192.168.0.185]
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| 23:28 | <Hec-Thor> my configuration matches what the client says
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| 23:29 | hey, i was reading that in order to fix the display error i should enable X11Forwarding
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| 23:29 | many users report that it worked, you think i should try?
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