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Channel log from 18 August 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:15 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 01:16 | latest ldm is borked ... the logo themes don't show up, and selecting the preferences menu causes it to crash.
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| 01:32 | <alkisg> stgraber or anyone: did ltspfsd got merged with ltspfsd-core in 0.5.12 version? I can't install both of them, there are conflicting files... maybe the package should "conflict ltspfsd-core < 0.5.12" ?
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| 01:35 | <vagrantc> Conflicts: ltspfsd (<= 0.5.11-1)
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| 01:35 | at least in the debian packaging.
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| 01:37 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "List of the files in ltspfsd_0.5.12-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/479
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| 01:37 | <alkisg> vagrantc: Does this ^^^ look right to you? I think the two packages got mixed up...
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| 01:37 | In Karmic (0.5.13) they are again 2 different packages, ltspfsd and ltspfsd-core...
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| 01:38 | It looks to me like the 0.5.12 package from stgraber's ppa contains more files than it should
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| 01:39 | <vagrantc> looks a bit mixed up, yes.
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| 01:40 | <alkisg> Hmmm maybe it uses the old scheme, before ltspfsd got splitted into 2 packages
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| 01:40 | <vagrantc> yeah, i'm not sure when ubuntu merged those from debian
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| 01:44 | <alkisg> vagrantc: how can I use apt-cache (or some other program) so that I can see which ltspfsd versions are available to which of my sources' repositories? (i.e. in the official jaunty repo vs stgraber's ppa vs ...)
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| 01:45 | <vagrantc> apt-cache policy ltspfsd
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| 01:45 | <alkisg> 0.5.12-0ubuntu1~ppa1 0 ==> 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main Packages
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| 01:45 | 0.5.11-3ubuntu1~ppa1 0 ==> 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main Packages
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| 01:45 | Can I see the full url there?
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| 01:46 | * vagrantc doesn't see it | |
| 01:46 | <vagrantc> though you can piece it together...
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| 01:47 | <alkisg> Hmmm I think I got where the problem happened
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| 01:47 | I think maybe stgraber uploaded a splitted version for jaunty, and then got back to the unified ltspfsd version
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| 01:50 | Argh and now the problem is, how can I uninstall the old "ltspfsd-core" and update "ltspfsd", apt-get won't let me... :(
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| 01:58 | <alkisg> OK, I did it, I had to remove ltsp-client temporarily :(
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| 02:27 | <alkisg> vagrantc: after the changes in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1289 if I want to specify IPAPPEND 3 to pxelinux, is there some easy way to do it?
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| 02:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i forget off the top of my head.
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| 02:30 | alkisg: it's not as easy as i'd like, but it should be doable.
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| 02:30 | alkisg: just look at the update-kernels code
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| 02:30 | <alkisg> vagrantc: thank you
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| 02:32 | <klausade> vagrantc: what happend to my /etc/profile problem?should i file a bugreport?
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| 02:32 | <vagrantc> klausade: go for it!
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| 02:38 | <isojussi> anyone can help me with dhcp server? http://pastebin.com/m22e6b43d, somehow the client won accept ip address.
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| 02:39 | <klausade> vagrantc: ok
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| 02:42 | <alkisg> isojussi: upload your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to pastebin
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| 03:04 | <isojussi> http://pastebin.com/m3d76f367
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| 03:06 | it hgasworked before but now it won't work anymore
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| 03:26 | <isojussi> got it working again, something wrong with my switch
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| 03:28 | another problem, is it posible to enable sudo user to change other users passwords? in user account control panel, You can't unlock it to change anything
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| 03:30 | <johnny> sure.. altho eventuall policykit will probably control it
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| 03:30 | so expect to change your strategy in the next few releases
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| 03:30 | isojussi, visudo is what you should use
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| 03:32 | actually
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| 03:32 | just add your users to the wheel group
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| 03:32 | BUT.. it will mean they can change all passwords..
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| 03:36 | <isojussi> problem is that a another admin cannot change other users passwords with GUI from clients
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| 03:36 | that admin has no access to server
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| 03:38 | <johnny> from clients.. i don't know if you should enable it that way
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| 04:06 | <isojussi> it worked before but when last updated to 8.04, it stopped working
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| 04:08 | <johnny> oh.. then i have no idea, i don't really do that kind of thing with my thin clients
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| 04:08 | ask around at a later time, when more folks are about
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| 04:09 | <alkisg> isojussi: it's dbus-related, you could vnc to the server, or use adduser
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| 04:22 | <isojussi> I got it working from cli, gui is not important now.
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| 04:23 | somehow sudo passwd does not work but sudo passwd username works
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| 04:25 | <alkisg> sudo passwd changes the password of the callee user
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| 04:25 | sudo passwd username changes the password of user "username"
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| 04:26 | <isojussi> yes, but the first command won't change your password when i run it in cli from client
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| 04:26 | if i run sudo passwd myusername it changes my password
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| 04:27 | <alkisg> Erm sorry it changes the password of the *root* user
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| 04:28 | You don't need "sudo" to change your own password
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| 04:29 | <isojussi> This ltsp system is in a school, sometimes students forget their passwords so it would be nice to allow teacher to change student's passwords.
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| 04:30 | teacher has admin privileges, but i teached him to do it in cli so he does not need gui anymore
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| 04:31 | <alkisg> I think webmin also has a nice interface for user management
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| 04:36 | <isojussi> hmm. i have it installed.Iĺl try thath
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| 04:37 | <ogra> alkisg, ugh
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> ogra, what? :)
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| 04:38 | <ogra> webmin is a massive security hole in itself, there are reasons its not included in the archive anymore (neither in debian nor in ubuntu)
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| 04:38 | and it unconditionally changes /etc without taking the underlying system into account
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| 04:38 | <alkisg> Oh really? Geezes... good thing I've never used it :)
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| 04:38 | * ogra wouldnt recommend it to anyone | |
| 04:39 | * alkisg completely scratches webmin it from his brain... :) | |
| 04:39 | <ogra> i dont know how good it is, but ebox is a replacement thats maintained and has at least a bit of security support
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| 04:40 | its originally for ISPs to maintain headles CoLo servers, but should have a user management module you can use standalone
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| 04:40 | *headless
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> isojussi: ^^^
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| 04:40 | ebox-usersandgroups
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| 04:41 | <ogra> http://ebox-platform.com/
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| 04:41 | its in the archive ...
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| 04:47 | <alkisg> A users-admin replacement is dearly needed, though... :-/
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| 04:54 | <ogra> no, porper policykit (and thus d-bus) integration is needed
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| 04:59 | <isojussi> i removed webmin, i'll try that ebox
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| 05:39 | <Q-FUNK> anybody here running GX2 hardware?
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| 05:54 | <garymc> hi guys, ive got ubuntu 9.04 ltsp on my server
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| 05:54 | do i need to install any kind of antivirus for it?
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| 06:31 | <Q-FUNK> stgraber: test GX2 package released. should at least run, though acceleration is disabled.
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| 06:33 | <garymc> hi guys, ive got ubuntu 9.04 ltsp on my server
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| 06:33 | do i need to install any kind of antivirus for it?
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| 06:36 | <sepski> garymc, you would use a antivirus on a linux machine to look for windows viruses. forinstance on a mail server for windows clients. or on a fileserver for windows clients.
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| 06:37 | so no i do not think you need a antivirus on your ubuntu
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| 06:38 | <garymc> oh ok
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| 06:38 | <garymc> so if i put a mail server on to the open web thingy i would need an antivirus?
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| 06:39 | which one would i use and does it cost anything?
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| 06:41 | <sepski> garymc, if you wanted to protect your windows users against viruses comming as mail to them. you would install a antivirus or 2 (or 3 ?) to keep the mail clean from virus.
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| 06:42 | but you would use the antivirus thru some mail scanning tool. forinstance amavis.
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| 06:42 | and it can support lots of different types. both free and comercial ones. (or all of them at once)
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| 06:42 | but that seams a bit overkill :)
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| 06:43 | clamav is as easy as apt-get in ubuntu tho.
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| 06:53 | <garymc> you know anything about linking an Astlinux server into my ubuntu ltso server and giving each user a voip phone connectin?
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| 06:53 | *connection
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| 06:53 | *ltsp
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| 07:29 | <Carloz> Hello
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| 07:29 | Good morning
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| 07:30 | Anyone here?
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| 07:31 | <garymc> im here
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| 07:31 | but i know nothing
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| 07:31 | :)
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| 07:31 | im after answers
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| 07:42 | <Carloz> ok
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| 07:42 | me too.
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| 07:42 | Whats your question? maybe we can help eachother
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| 07:45 | My problem is with localapps. My default system language is spanish but when I install localapps they're in english and not spanish. I install the languange support in the chroot of client but still are in english
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| 07:46 | <garymc> i aint got a clue sorry
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| 07:47 | <Carloz> hahaha
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| 07:47 | whats ur problem?
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> Carloz: distro/version?
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| 07:50 | <Carloz> edubuntu 9.04
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> What do you have in these files? cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/environment and cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/locale
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| 07:52 | <Carloz> Ok give me a sec
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| 07:54 | PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"
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| 07:54 | LANG=en_US.UTF-8
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> OK, change this to spanish
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> and then run sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 07:55 | <Carloz> that will change the language of my local installed apps?
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 07:56 | <Carloz> ok thanks a lot.
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| 07:56 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 07:56 | <Carloz> LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
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| 07:56 | like this?
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| 07:56 | <alkisg> You can see the correct line by doing "echo $LANG" in a terminal that uses the spanish language, e.g. on the server
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| 07:56 | <Carloz> ohh ok
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| 07:56 | thanks
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| 07:57 | got it
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| 07:57 | <alkisg> (or `locale -a` to get the whole list)
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| 08:00 | <Carloz> Thanks. I'll reboot later when classes are finished and I'll let you know if all went well :-)
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> ogra: Ping
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| 09:03 | <ogra> sbalneav, yo
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| 09:04 | ...ghurt
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> So, here's an interesting one.
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| 09:04 | <laga> ogra: nom
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> Transfer a jaunty chroot (/opt/ltsp/i386) to a hardy box
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| 09:05 | ltsp-update-image hangs at 33%
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| 09:05 | mksquashfs is just sitting there, consuming 99% cpu.
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| 09:05 | <ogra> i'm surprised it works at all
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| 09:05 | with jaunty squashfs moved into the kernel
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| 09:06 | <ogra> you will need a hardy box to update the image
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| 09:06 | err
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| 09:06 | jaunty box, sorry
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| 09:06 | <laga> that shouldn't break mksquashfs?
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| 09:06 | <ogra> it does
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| 09:06 | i have the same prob on arm
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| 09:06 | with our liveimage builder
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> but I though ltsp-update-image doesn't do a chroot or anything?
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| 09:07 | <ogra> it runs mksquashfs on the chroot
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| 09:07 | if mksquashfs doesnt work due to lacking kernel support you wont get an image
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| 09:07 | <laga> that sounds broken. heh
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| 09:08 | <ogra> it surely is but not really fixable in an easy way
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| 09:08 | even hardy's file command cant handle squashfs 4 images
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| 09:08 | not sure about v3
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| 09:09 | <laga> i guess it's missing the magic file
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> hm, ok
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| 09:09 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:09 | laga, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412757
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| 09:11 | <laga> interesting
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| 09:18 | <ogra> see the file command
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| 09:18 | -755002881 bytes
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| 09:18 | <laga> haha
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| 09:18 | <ogra> if you copy that to your disk it frees up space !!!
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> ogra, my membership in edubuntu-bugs is about o expire. can you renew me?
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| 09:26 | <ogra> adde a year
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| 09:27 | *added
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> Thanks
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| 10:42 | <tstafford_> does anyone know if restarting nbd-server will disconnect my client machines?
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> tstafford_: nbd-server should never be started in the first place
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| 10:48 | we run nbd out of inetd
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| 10:48 | <tstafford_> i see
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> if you were to stop the service, I am pretty sure it will kill all of your existing nbd-servers
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| 10:49 | and the client will lose its OS
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> What's the purpose of the -persist parameter in nbd-client then?
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> alkisg: it is possible that it will reconnect and spawn off another nbd-client because of that
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| 10:51 | I think that is the intent
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| 11:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> using the recent ubuntu 9.10 alpha daily release... X is crashing on boot with the DLW 1520 (intel atom chipset).
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| 11:31 | where should I be filing bugs for this?
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| 11:32 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: I'd suspect against the Xorg intel driver package
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| 11:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: they have somehow gotten worse than in 9.04? :)
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| 11:39 | <sbalneav> the intel driver's been under heavy development
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| 11:39 | intel driver's always worked great for me in 3d, but when I updated to jaunty, it was completely broken
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| 11:39 | <garymc> Yo Ogra, when i click on my launchers in my main user gary, it just loads the php file in text editor
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| 11:40 | and not in firefox
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| 11:40 | it works fine when i log in as a diff user say test
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| 11:41 | <sbalneav> garymc: Probably managed to get a bad file association in nautilus
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| 11:42 | <garymc> ??
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| 11:42 | how do i fix it for this user?
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> WHat happens if you right click on the php file and select "Open With"?
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> stgraber: ping?
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| 12:23 | <Q-FUNK> re
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| 12:23 | stgraber: here?
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| 12:26 | <Mip5> Hi Gang - I hope all of you are well.
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| 12:26 | What's the best way to manage the sources.list file and the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list - should they be the same? Any problem with that?
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| 12:27 | <Q-FUNK> !g
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| 12:27 | <ltspbot> Q-FUNK: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> stgraber: heh. thanks for fixing the theme stuffs
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| 12:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, well 9.10 works fine for localapps
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| 12:36 | thus far
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| 12:36 | firefox at least.
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| 12:36 | is there a better workaround for the resolv.conf issue?
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| 12:43 | <Mip5> _UsUrPeR_ - we took delivery of the thin clients a while back. I'm looking to begin setting them up and deploying them today
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| 12:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> Mip5: congrats. Do you require assistance?
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| 12:44 | <Mip5> _UsUrPeR_ - I think I'm in pretty decent shape - one question though - what's a good list for the chroot sources.list file? Same as the one in /etc/apt/ ?
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| 12:46 | <moldy> hi
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| 12:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> Mip5: yeah. if you run the following -- "ltsp-build-client --copy-sourceslist" it will integrate the server sources.list into the client's build
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| 12:46 | or you can just copy it over
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| 12:46 | though it's not needed for operation...
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| 12:46 | Were you going to be utilizing localapps or something?
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| 12:47 | <Mip5> _UsUrPer_ - cool, that's what I was thinking. Yeah - I thought I'd experiment with localapps and see how it goes
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| 12:47 | I'm hoping that they don't want to do too much media streaming - but I'd like to make that as efficient as possible
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| 12:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok. If you need any help, myself or someone else in here should be able to point you in the right direction.
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| 12:48 | Actually, streaming with localapps really frees up a LOT of bandwidth
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| 12:48 | <moldy> can i launch an X session on the terminal server over ssh from a non-ltsp machine?
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| 12:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> youtube is downright watchable even.
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| 12:48 | <Mip5> Cool - I'll definitely look into that then!
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| 12:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: k. You'll need to install firefox, flash and java as localapps
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| 12:49 | not too big of a deal
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| 12:49 | just apt-get :)
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| 12:49 | er aptitude
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| 12:49 | of course that will be in the chroot
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| 12:50 | moldy: are you asking if you can remotely control the desktop?
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| 12:50 | <Mip5> Cool - I'll read up on the documentation for that.
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| 12:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> if so: check out freenx
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| 12:50 | <moldy> _UsUrPeR_: no, basically i just want to do run some program on the server
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| 12:50 | _UsUrPeR_: plain ssh x forwarding
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| 12:50 | Warning: untrusted X11 forwarding setup failed: xauth key data not generated
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| 12:50 | i get this error
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| 12:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> moldy: not quite familiar. Could you expand on what you want to do a little more?
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| 12:52 | <moldy> _UsUrPeR_: ssh into terminal server, launch firefox, see firefox on the machine i am sshing from
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| 12:52 | i realize, it's not really an ltsp question
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> moldy: are you using "ssh -X" ?
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| 12:52 | <moldy> Gadi: yep
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> try: ssh -Y instead
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| 12:54 | <moldy> Gadi: that seems to work
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| 12:55 | Gadi: ok, next question: is it possible to get a full-blown desktop session that way?
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> thats what we do
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| 12:55 | :)
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| 12:55 | <moldy> Gadi: yeah, i mean from a non-ltsp machine, without too much effort :)
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| 12:55 | <Q-FUNK> ah, there's life in here
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| 12:56 | <moldy> i would like to test some ltsp-related stuff without having to put a thinclient next to my development machine :)
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> oh
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| 12:56 | <Q-FUNK> anybody here with GX2 Geode hardware willing to test what's currently in GIT?
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> well, you could always use a virtual thin client
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| 12:56 | <ogra> there is that vbox thing
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: if you make a packaged deb for jaunty of the new code, I am happy to test on a livecd
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| 12:57 | <moldy> hm, vbox might be an alternative
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| 12:57 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: done: https://launchpad.net/~q-funk/+archive/ppa
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: am I just checking for proper operation?
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| 12:58 | ie - are you looking for yay/nay
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| 12:58 | <Q-FUNK> we've made a bunch of changes in the GX2 defaults that shold at least make it work. among other things, aceleration now is XAA by default
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| 12:59 | yay/nay is a start. reports about any remaining buglet would also be welcome.
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| 13:00 | <Q-FUNK> I'm mostly trying to decide whether those few fixes warrant pushing a new upstream out the door or not.
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| 13:01 | some of the cosmetic fixes would aready be useful for LX hardware, but I'm mostly interested in hearing whether GX2 finally works out of the box..
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| 13:02 | <moldy> how would i need to set up the virtual machine so it can be used as an ltsp client?
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| 13:03 | <moldy> hey Lns :)
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| 13:03 | <Lns> hi moldy =)
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: may take a lil while longer - this bios doesn't support boot from usb cdrom :P
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| 13:03 | <Lns> ho's it going?
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| 13:03 | <moldy> the default network config seems to prevent the vbox from booting over the network
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| 13:03 | fine, thank you
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> moldy: you need to bridge the virtual network to the actual one
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| 13:04 | and then set the VM'sbios to netboot
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| 13:04 | <moldy> ok, i guessed so
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| 13:05 | now the question is how to setup the bridging for vbox
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| 13:09 | google turns up dozends of how-tos that all seem to contradict each other :-/
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| 13:11 | * ogra just runs the server in vbox too | |
| 13:14 | <moldy> might be the easiest solution
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| 13:14 | <johnny> there are multiple howtos because it became easier overtime to set it up
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| 13:15 | i think they fixed up the internal pxe client in recent versions
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| 13:15 | <moldy> http://www.eglug.org/node/3439 i used that one now, seems to work
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| 13:15 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: heh, ok
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| 13:16 | <moldy> ya, cool... it works... thanks everyone for your hints
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| 13:17 | <NeonLicht> moldy: are you booting real hardware thin clients from a server running on a VM?
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| 13:18 | <moldy> NeonLicht: no, the other way 'round
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| 13:18 | <NeonLicht> moldy, real server and VM thin client?
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| 13:19 | <moldy> NeonLicht: yep
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| 13:20 | <NeonLicht> I see
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> Oooooooh, new git commits to sabayon
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| 13:27 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> With my name written all over them
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| 13:27 | 2.27.1's gonna come out soon, Federico's going to hopefully get all my work into upstream.
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| 13:28 | I'm gonna pull a git clone right now, see if I can get another set of packages out for tonights testing.
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| 13:39 | <Lns> what means sbalneav rocks? ;)
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| 13:54 | * alkisg just checked wikipedia... so rock 'n' roll took it's name from the ship movement? :D | |
| 13:55 | <klausade> alkisg: from yesterday: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=542270
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> klausade: nice.
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| 14:11 | <Mip5> Hey Gang - I'm about to deploy my ltsp server to another building (different subnet). Is there anything else I need to do in addition to changing the address fo the server?
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| 14:11 | <moldy> well, it depends a bit on the details of your setup
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| 14:12 | you probably need to change the ip address at more than one place
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| 14:12 | <johnny> ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 14:12 | <moldy> check your dhcp config and update it accordingly
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| 14:12 | <Mip5> The thin clients are on a separate vlan, so I won't need to change the dhcp setup for the clients - though I should look at it (now that you mention it).
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| 14:20 | <yanu> i am having problems with debian unstable and ltsp, pxe-boot works fine, but than it waits ... i think after de nfs ....
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| 14:20 | i also see this in the logs : NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
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| 14:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> any fedora peeps in here?
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| 14:30 | I'm having problems getting F11 to boot off the CD in a vmware server I have created.
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| 14:30 | has anyone experienced this? I am running the i686 live installer.
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| 14:30 | it appears to hang after I get the grub options
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| 14:35 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_: i've successfully installed F11 in vmware server... dunno what could be the issue
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> klausade: i think the simplest workaround for your TEMP issue is to set it in a hook in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
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| 14:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> Lns: ok. I am going to burn the .iso to a CD and give that a shot. I am confused
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| 14:35 | * _UsUrPeR_ checks available disk space | |
| 14:36 | <vagrantc> klausade: i mean, the bug is still valid, and i'll look into it, but maybe that would work for you?
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| 14:42 | <Lns> Is there an lts.conf (or ldm/ssh/pam/other) option to enforce a user to only log in once? (kind of like what gnome-watchdog does if it sees processes in use by a user logging in, but basically disallow subsequent logins)?
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| 14:44 | <alkisg> Lns, LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION
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| 14:44 | <Lns> alkisg: thanks! =)
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| 14:44 | (was just curious as to the thread on -discuss)
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| 14:45 | <alkisg> Lns: there's also LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT=True which prompts the user
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> stgraber: ping?
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| 14:57 | I'm using stgraber's ppa and I'm getting a gray ldm screen with no image etc, like if the theme is missing. But the theme is there... so what can be wrong, could ldm be looking for the theme at the wrong path?
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| 15:02 | <klausade> vagrantc: putting export TEMP=HOME$/tmp into /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10temp seems to do the trick.
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> klausade: presumably with the $ in the right place :)
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| 15:03 | <stgraber> alkisg: I uploaded a fixed package this monring
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> stgraber: thanks, downloading... :)
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| 15:04 | <klausade> vagrantc: yes, my typo :-)
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> stgraber: I had a problem with ltspfsd & ltspfsd-core, though...
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| 15:04 | <klausade> vagrantc: better export TEMP=$HOME/tmp ?
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| 15:04 | <stgraber> alkisg: ah ?
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> klausade: if you could mention the workaround in the bug report, that'd be good.
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> Maybe ltspfsd should conflict with the ltspfsd-core version that was uploaded in May, so that it gets removed?
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> stgraber: I'm not sure if I got this correctly... did you upload a 0.5.11 version with ltspfsd splitted into 2 packages, and then a 0.5.12 version with ltspfsd as 1 package again?
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| 15:06 | 0.5.11 was published around May in your ppa
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| 15:07 | ...and I had problems upgrading to 0.5.12 afterwards
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| 15:08 | <klausade> vagrantc: i'll include that info in the bugreport, i'll just see how it works tomorrow for my users first.
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> stgraber: so _if_ I got this straight, maybe uploading a new version, 0.5.12-0ubuntu1~ppa2, which would conflict _and_ replace ltspfsd-core <= 0.5.12, would make upgrading smoooth...
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| 15:14 | (ldm is fine with the new upload, thanks :))
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| 15:15 | <klausade> vagrantc: aah, I just added that to the bugreport (who knows what will happend to me tomorrow on my bike in the crazy traffic)
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> klausade: hopefully nothing tragic :)
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| 15:18 | * alkisg got 5 stitches with his bike when he fell upon someone's open door, while she was trying to get out from her car in the middle of the street.. :( | |
| 15:19 | <klausade> alkisg: ouch, I always stay out of the door-radius of cars.
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> Now I do, too :-/
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| 15:21 | <klausade> alkisg: live and learn.
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| 15:21 | <atomic007za> has anyone setup 2003 active directory, I have had a brief look @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto: but I would like the students to save their work on the 2003 server. would it be possible?
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| 15:22 | sorry a bit vague, I want to authenticate and save on the 2003 server
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| 15:23 | each user saves to his home dir in 2003
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| 15:25 | <klausade> atomic007za: I have a few 1000's users using ad2003 for auth, but we use linux fileservers. Works great. Saving to the AD server also worked, but we prefered linux for fileserver.
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| 15:26 | atomic007za: i didn't setup the ad server, i just took care of the linuxservers.
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| 15:27 | <atomic007za> Klausade: thanks, which version of ubuntu are you using?
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| 15:28 | <klausade> atomic007za: debian lenny.
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| 15:29 | <atomic007za> klausade: ic, have you documented it somewhere?
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| 15:29 | that I can read?
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| 15:30 | klausade: why did you prefer saving on linux server and not on 2003
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| 15:30 | <sbalneav> Pushed a new version of sabayon to my ppa for testing. 2.27.1-0ubuntu2
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| 15:30 | Once it finishes building, anyone interested, have at it.
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| 15:30 | <klausade> atomic007za: iẗ́'s documented in thousands of places on the internet.
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| 15:31 | atomic007za: we just prefer to use linux servers whenever possible, our policy.
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| 15:32 | <atomic007za> was kinda looking for 1 =>, but thanks for advise, at least i know someone else has done it
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| 15:33 | <klausade> atomic007za: people are doing it everywhere.
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I got it, it's "IPAPPEND=3" in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/update-kernels.conf. Unfortunately, PXELINUX_CMDLINE isn't supported anymore... :(
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i *thought* the way i wrote it, you could accomplish anything you could with PXELINUX_CMDLINE and more...
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| 15:43 | alkisg: but i'd be interested to know if that's not the case
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> vagrantc: nah my problem is only the documentation :)
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| 15:45 | E.g. a 100-pages tutorial with instructions on how to setup ltsp was published, and it used PXELINUX_CMDLINE - it'll have to change in the next version
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| 15:45 | No big deal
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> oh, right.
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| 15:53 | i couldn't figure out a way to make it more flexible, while still being backwards compatible...
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| 15:55 | <klausade> if I use LDM_USERNAME=foo and LDM_PASSWORD=bar in the [Default] section of lts.conf, will it then logon that user on all thinclients I wonder?
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| 15:55 | <moldy> i guess so
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| 15:56 | <johnny> klausade, i imagine so..
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| 15:56 | <moldy> is "i guess so" correct english?
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| 15:57 | <johnny> sure why not
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| 15:57 | <moldy> i wasn't sure :)
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| 15:57 | <johnny> is there is there a such as correct english, probably not :)
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| 15:57 | <moldy> irc ruins my english :p
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| 15:57 | <johnny> moldy, it is something many people say
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| 15:57 | <moldy> ok, so it's idiomatic
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| 15:59 | <klausade> english or gibberish, it did :-) user foo on all thinclients.
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> klausade: yep
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| 16:10 | <Lns> sbalneav: get off my lawn!
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| 16:11 | * sbalneav shakes cane | |
| 16:12 | <sbalneav> Whoohoo
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| 16:12 | ok
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| 16:12 | <Lns> hahaha
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| 16:12 | <sbalneav> official release from federico
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| 16:12 | * Lns liked sbalneav's post on -discuss | |
| 16:12 | <sbalneav> sabayon 2.27.91
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| 16:12 | federico posted it at 15:28:41
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| 16:13 | I've got packages building in my PPA at 16:10:17
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| 16:13 | how's THAT for freaking service, people?
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| 16:14 | * Lns tips sbalneav with a pint | |
| 16:14 | <sbalneav> This one's the big one: panel bugs have been fixed, gvfs-fuse doesn't run under the sabayon user, and I've got (slightly different) xlib free display fix in there.
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| 16:14 | if you care about sabayon...
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| 16:14 | TEST THIS ONE>
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| 16:15 | <Lns> !!
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| 16:15 | <ltspbot> Lns: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> sbalneav: rolls :D
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| 16:15 | * Lns fires up his jaunty vm | |
| 16:15 | <sbalneav> 2 of my 3 fixes made it upstream
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| 16:16 | i386 is still building
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| 16:16 | amd64 and lpia are done.
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| 16:16 | c'moooooon launchpad :)
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> ooops I'm getting the older one then
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> yeah, wait 'till this one's done
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| 16:16 | <Lns> is anyone else all of the sudden getting random older dated msgs on -discuss??
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> Lns, not right now, but I've been seeing old messages e.g. twice per month...
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| 16:17 | Like, 2 month old messages :)
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| 16:17 | <Lns> weird
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> Ouch, just got them, 26 of them :-/
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| 16:17 | <sbalneav> sourceforge buffer flush
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| 16:18 | <Lns> binge and purge, sourceforge
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> sbalneav: 386sx with 640meg hard disk. ??? typo? I only got 40Mb...
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| 16:20 | <Lns> I'm starting to get the idea that we need to have an ltsp-management-suite metapackage that will have sabayon, tcm (when it's ready, very soon now), and other multi-user apps bundled together
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| 16:20 | <moldy> what's sabayon?
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| 16:20 | <moldy> ah, that gnome thing
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| 16:21 | <sbalneav> alkisg: I splurged. I think I still got that hard drive somewhere. Should for the (&%$( money I paid for it.
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| 16:21 | Man, I once paid $1000 for 16 megs of ram.
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| 16:21 | Lns++
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| 16:21 | good idea
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| 16:22 | <Lns> =) wasn't mine, have to say..it was yanqui
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| 16:22 | but yeah
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> Lns, some hints on tcm current status?
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| 16:26 | <Lns> alkisg: well, moldy could probably tell you more, but as far as yesterday's work is concerned, we have a version that correctly lists/executes/kills user procs, sends messages, and locks screens.
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| 16:26 | We're working on the VNC part right now, which will hopefully be integrated by the end of next week.
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> Sweet! Going fast :)
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| 16:26 | <Lns> Yeah, I'm really impressed with the work moldy and yanqui have done :)
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> I hope it'll get to be more stable than italc
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| 16:27 | <Lns> There is also going to be (later) polkit integration, which will be really nice. They have also completely restructured the code so there's a backend and frontend - this will allow anyone to make their own frontend (web, curses, whatever you want)..so it's not tied to gnome or gtk.
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| 16:28 | alkisg: well it'll definitely be easier to install..as of right now there's 0 chroot modifications necessary
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| 16:28 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 16:28 | packages built
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| 16:29 | I'm off home, to test!
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> dpkg -l => sabayon 2.27.91-0ubuntu1
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| 16:29 | * alkisg is testing :) | |
| 16:29 | <Lns> that might change later as we add functionality but right now you can even turn on vino via gconf and vnc in (not totally complete yet) to a client
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> \o/
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| 16:29 | <Lns> thanks sbalneav !!!
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| 16:29 | you rocks
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> lemme know, I'll be back on in an hour or so.
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> bye man
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> Lns, good idea, reusing vino...
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| 16:30 | <Lns> alkisg: yeah..its awesome because you don't even need to install vnc in the chroot
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| 16:31 | just a couple of gconf keys flipped on and *poof* you're in, to any user session
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> With italc you also don't need to install anything in the chroot if you don't want to manage the login screen
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| 16:31 | <Lns> which is really good for resources/security as well (nobody can just jump on since vino isn't turned on until you connect)
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> But yes, it's reusing stuff and saving resources, sounds good
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| 16:32 | * Lns has never had good luck with iTalc unfortunately... it was always crashing | |
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| 16:40 | <coordinador> hi
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| 16:41 | <moldy> i was afk... hi :)
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| 16:41 | tcm status: i think we will have a first release that supports the basic functionality pretty soon
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| 16:42 | then in the future, it should be relatively easy to add new stuff, since we structured it quite modular
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| 16:43 | alkisg: if you or anyone else wants to join us, go ahead :)
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> moldy: thanks for the info!
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| 16:43 | <moldy> you can also check launchpad.net/tcm-ng to track our progress
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| 16:44 | <alkisg> Will you be uploading binaries to a ppa, or just source in the branch?
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| 16:44 | <moldy> we are planning to publish .debs
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| 16:44 | so i guess that means a ppa, yep
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> Sweet! Looking forward to start beta-testing :)
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| 16:45 | <moldy> i took a first look at debian python packaging yesterday, currently i am doing actual coding again, but i my impression is that packaging should be pretty easy :)
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| 16:46 | <alkisg> Aren't there already the debian/* files there, from previous tcm versions?
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| 16:47 | If so, debuild && dput will be all that it takes...
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| 16:47 | <moldy> we dropped that
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| 16:47 | we changed so much that we decided it wasn't really worth keeping
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| 16:47 | <alkisg> OK so a new debian/* dir will be needed
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| 16:47 | <moldy> but afaik, there are tools that greatly help in creating the debian/ stuff
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| 16:48 | my first priority was to create a clean python package, then look at distribution-specific packaging
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| 16:48 | http://github.com/astraw/stdeb/tree/master <-- this looks neat
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| 16:49 | i did a quick test run of it, though i did not test it thorougly... it seems to be able to generate much of the debian/* boilerplate, so you just need to tune a few settings to get a source .deb
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| 16:52 | * alkisg tried a few ways of auto-generating debian/* files, but ended up using a template and editing them manually... | |
| 16:52 | <moldy> yeah, might be an alternative :)
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| 16:52 | i will look more closely into this when the code is release-ready :)
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> Sure. I think nubae also said something about the opensuse build system semi-automatically producing packages for many distros, maybe it could be helpful...
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| 16:57 | <coordinador> argh
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| 16:57 | somebody from diskless workstations?
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| 17:14 | <sbalneav> coordinador: CAN-o-SPAM would be your guy
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| 17:14 | but maybe I can help?
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| 17:15 | <coordinador> sbalneav, unfortunately CAN-o-SPAM is not here, may be you could can help me if you are part of DWS, ill talk to you in private
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| 17:17 | * - could
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| 17:17 | <sbalneav> I've got nothing to do with the company, other than I know most of the people in it, and I have several of their products :)
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| 17:18 | <coordinador> oh i see
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| 17:18 | then you could help me too
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| 17:19 | <johnny> coordinador, just send them an email
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| 17:20 | <coordinador> yes i think ill email him
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| 17:57 | <coordinador> bye
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| 19:52 | <LamaZ> Hello! Could someone help me out please? I'm trying to change something in the ldm greeter source code and recompile it, but I cant get it to work properly.
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| 19:58 | <Ryan52> LamaZ: more info please..
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| 19:59 | <LamaZ> Ryan52: I think the problem might be that I'm using an AMD64 kernel and the client is i386, I should compile it with some argument to make it i386 right?
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| 19:59 | I should probably try that first :x
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| 20:00 | <Ryan52> no
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| 20:00 | you need a cross compiling toolchain probably.
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| 20:00 | which is a big PITA to set up..
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| 20:00 | <LamaZ> hmm
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| 20:00 | <LamaZ> I just want to change a hardcoded string in the ldm greeter
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| 20:00 | <Ryan52> so, your best bet is to probably to build on an i386 machine or inside your LTSP chroot.
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| 20:01 | do you need help doing that?
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| 20:01 | or do you just need help building?
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| 20:01 | or have I answered all of your questions?
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| 20:02 | <LamaZ> I think I'l try to chroot to my i386 ltsp and build from there
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| 20:02 | It should work, thanks :)
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| 20:03 | so if I do chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and get the source & build from there it will be a i386 binary?
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| 20:46 | <Ryan52> LamaZ: ya.
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| 20:46 | LamaZ: tho you should run that under linux32 anyway.
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| 20:48 | <LamaZ> I installed a i386 VM and did it from there, about to test it out
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| 21:00 | Ryan52: It works! Thanks for your help :)
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| 21:00 | <Ryan52> np
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| 22:22 | <Beer30> johnny... you around?
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| 22:23 | <johnny> yes
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| 22:23 | i haven't seen knipwim tho
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| 22:23 | <Beer30> bummer
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| 22:23 | <johnny> knipwim, where are you?
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| 22:23 | <Beer30> so, I take it you haven't had a chance to commit any changes?
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| 22:24 | <johnny> well.. i need somebody to help test it.. i can't do nothin
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| 22:24 | <Beer30> ... did one of those changes happen to be with quickstart or the quickstart profile file?.... there appears to be something strange going on with that.
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| 22:24 | <johnny> and knipwim was already trying to get commit access, and has things
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| 22:24 | yes
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| 22:25 | i can commit those.. once i verify they work via knipwim
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| 22:25 | <Beer30> ooooh
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| 22:26 | <johnny> he told me he was gonna test what he has.. with some suggestions
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| 22:26 | i don't have the final result yet
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| 22:28 | <Beer30> I've been fighting and fighting trying to get ltsp-server to build, then when I finally got it, could not get ltsp-build-client to work for nuttin'. keeps doing a double chroot or something.
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| 22:29 | now I broke my server, so I'm back to reinstalling that.... :(
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| 22:32 | <Beer30> have you talked to knipwim lately?
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| 22:32 | <johnny> yes.. he fixed the double chroot problem
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| 22:32 | <Beer30> oh cool
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| 22:32 | <johnny> i think he has it completely buildable again
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| 22:32 | including the required new use flags
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| 22:32 | <Beer30> glad it wasn't me mucking things up... ;)
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| 22:32 | <johnny> i just made some suggestions as to where to use them at
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| 22:33 | ultimately.. quickstart is just the glue we have at the moment for building chroots
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| 22:33 | we'll probably move to something that does less once it works
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| 22:33 | the other goal is to find a place to host the tarball
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| 22:33 | or an entire chroot
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| 22:33 | one updated once a week or somethin
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| 22:34 | <Beer30> that would be nice. I've often thought that would be a good idea. need some sort of stabel base to build off of.
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| 22:36 | <dberkholz> gentooexperimental could be a decent place to put stuff
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| 22:38 | <Beer30> definitely fits the profile ;)
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| 22:40 | <johnny> dberkholz, you never replied to my message about a vm
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| 22:40 | did yo uget it?
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| 22:41 | <dberkholz> no
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| 22:41 | but if it's on gentoo hardware, i wouldn't expect anything
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| 22:46 | <johnny> oh..
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| 22:46 | <Beer30> speaking of vm's... mine is acting funny. brb... and thanks for all your work you two :)
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| 22:46 | <johnny> dberkholz, i asked if there was somebody who might provide a vm for playing with the code
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| 22:46 | and building chroots
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| 22:46 | i have no gentoo box for quite some time
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| 22:46 | <johnny> my laptop just couldn't handle it anymore
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