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Channel log from 19 June 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:09 | <sean74> hi all,
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| 01:09 | anyone can guide me on ltsp fat client local printing?
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| 03:07 | <sean74> alkisg: hi
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| 03:07 | alkisg: got time for my fat client local printer?
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| 03:08 | <alkisg> sean74: I'm not sure I understand what you did, so I could only help with vnc.
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| 03:09 | <sean74> how would you like to vnc over?
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| 03:09 | my server, fat client?
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| 03:09 | <alkisg> sudo apt-get install x11vnc
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| 03:09 | x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 03:09 | On the fat client
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| 03:09 | <sean74> ok
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| 03:09 | <alkisg> You need to install x11vnc on the chroot
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| 03:09 | So you need sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/fati386 first
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| 03:09 | <sean74> oh ok
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| 03:10 | <alkisg> Then sudo ltsp-update-image and reboot the client
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| 03:10 | <sean74> then i need to rebuilt rigth
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| 03:22 | alkisg: i think i m connected
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| 03:22 | <alkisg> sean74: you just got disconnecte
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| 03:22 | ah ok
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| 03:23 | Is it really slow? I don't see any updates
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| 03:24 | Yeah it's unusably slow
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| 03:24 | Is this dial up?
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| 03:25 | <sean74> alkisg: why?
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| 03:25 | i m running on broadband
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| 03:25 | <alkisg> Because it's unusable
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| 03:25 | It's extremely slow
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| 03:25 | Are you perhaps downloading a torrent or something?
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| 03:25 | <sean74> nope
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| 03:25 | <alkisg> OK - it won't work like this, I get one screen every 2 minutes
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| 03:26 | It should be 100 times faster for it to work
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| 03:26 | So sorry I can't help.
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| 03:27 | <sean74> i got broken pipe error
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| 03:27 | <alkisg> I closed it
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| 03:27 | It's too slow, I can't help you
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| 03:28 | <sean74> sigh
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| 03:28 | could it be the ufw, the gateway
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| 03:29 | my server ufw
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| 03:36 | alkisg: what about teamviewer?
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| 03:36 | <alkisg> Sorry, I don't have time to install teamviewer to try if it's faster.
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| 03:37 | See if someone else has time to help you.
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| 03:37 | <sean74> alkisg: or maybe you may guide me on the thing you would like to check from the fat client
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| 03:37 | alkisg: its okay, you had help alot. thank you.
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| 03:37 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 03:38 | <sean74> alkisg: my actual configuration was VMware ESXi host ubuntu server (network /ufw/dhcp3-server), ubuntu-desktop (ltsp)
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| 05:07 | <Mava> sean74: yo running ubuntu ltsp in esxi ?
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| 10:36 | <sean74> Mava: yup
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| 10:36 | Mava: anything we could share?
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| 11:40 | <{aaron}> hi guys, i have a weird sort of terminal/virtualization situation...i was wondering if anybody has any advice on
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| 11:40 | i need to run a windows client-server application
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| 11:41 | i have been planning to run these in Virtualbox VMs on a linux server
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| 11:41 | and then use a network booted thin client to RDP into them (via the built-in virtualbox rdp support)
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| 11:42 | but i'm wondering now if I should just use native X/XDMCP, and assign each client workstation its own user which subsequently runs the respective VM?
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| 11:42 | <{aaron}> (upon login)
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| 11:43 | the advantage i see to doing that is that these sessions will then become available for examination by native X tools/utilities
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| 11:43 | the downside is the additional management of these 'users' that are realized on the system
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| 12:32 | <sean74_> hi all
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| 12:33 | i am currently try to implement the ltsp fat client
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| 12:33 | i am having trouble to install a local printer
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| 12:34 | when i attached my HP 3in1 Officejet, scanner was working fine but not printer
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| 12:35 | there was no printer in the system->administration->printing
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| 12:35 | when i perform lsusb, i can see the printer was detected
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| 12:35 | any advice?
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| 12:36 | <johnny> you should install the printer drivers first
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| 12:36 | * johnny isn't sure how the;oy are packaged in ubuntu | |
| 12:36 | <johnny> or debain for that matter
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| 12:36 | but try installing the printer driver
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| 12:39 | <sean74_> johnny
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| 12:39 | johnny: thanks for the information
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| 12:40 | johnny: just curios, i did connect the same printer into my ubuntu desktop 10.04, everything was connected plug and play
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| 12:40 | johnny: maybe i try to install the driver 1st
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| 12:41 | <johnny> well you can't install the driver live in the fat client session
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| 12:41 | but i imagine it will isntall the driver when running on the server
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| 12:43 | <sean74_> johnny: running on the server? u meant sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/fati386 .........
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| 12:44 | johnny: or i should connect the printer to my server 1st?
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| 12:46 | johnny: need to go to bed. thank you. please send private message if you have something for me to try
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| 12:46 | bye guys
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| 12:46 | <johnny> no.. just the 2nd
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| 12:46 | <johnny> err first
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| 12:47 | <sean74_> johnny: 1st ? 2nd?
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| 12:47 | <johnny> just chroot and install it
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| 12:47 | and then rebuild the image
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| 12:48 | <sean74_> johnny: just curious, but why the scanner was working? the HP Officejet was detected when i use simple scan
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| 12:49 | <johnny> because the native scanner drivers might just work
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| 12:49 | * johnny doesn't know | |
| 12:50 | <johnny> maybe you already have the printer drivers installed
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| 12:50 | you'd have to check
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> In case sean74 asks again, cupsd isn't started by default on fat clients - once it's started manually all local printers work fine.
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| 14:48 | <johnny> alkisg, ah
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| 14:48 | didn't know that
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| 14:48 | alkisg, why does cups actually need to be an system level init scirpt anyways?
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| 14:48 | just for using local printers
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| 14:48 | i feel like connected printers should fire up cups
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| 14:48 | not require it to be manually started
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> No idea... I don't even know why it isn't starting locally, with the same init.d/cups script that it has on the server..
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| 14:56 | Some even must not be firing
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| 14:56 | *event
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> Also, if I have a printer connected on the server, and one on the client, then the client sees the server cupsd first. I have to point it to localhost to see its own printer.
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| 22:34 | -niven.freenode.net- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | |
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| 22:56 | <gecko__> someone can help me with tftp please?
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| 22:57 | <gecko__> can someone please help me???'
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| 23:00 | <sweetpi> better off just asking the question. then if somebody knows they might help
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| 23:00 | <gecko__> thanks a lot!! and sorry I'm new here :)
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| 23:02 | <gecko__> cannot boot from tftp a got the TFTP-E38 Error
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| 23:03 | someone knows how to fix it or what is the reason?
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| 23:04 | <sweetpi> it means you cant send the first tftp packet
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| 23:04 | maybe faulty pxe code on the nic
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| 23:04 | or cable unplugged
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| 23:05 | do other machines boot ok?
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| 23:05 | <gecko__> but my dhcp server recognize my terminal and assign an IP to the host
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| 23:06 | I cannot boot any machine, I try with 2 differents machines and nothing
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| 23:07 | <sweetpi> did you check syslog on the server?
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| 23:08 | <gecko__> yeah, seems like this:
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| 23:08 | <sweetpi> pastebin.com
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| 23:11 | <gecko__> http://pastebin.com/pkqw07wE
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| 23:12 | could you see the syslog?
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| 23:13 | can we chat private?
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| 23:13 | <sweetpi> keep it here pls
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| 23:13 | are you sure tftp is running?
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| 23:13 | * johnny <3 sweetpi | |
| 23:14 | <johnny> nice to see a newcomer promote good irc practices
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| 23:14 | <sweetpi> i try :)
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| 23:14 | <gecko__> ok
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| 23:14 | thanks sweetpi
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| 23:15 | :)
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| 23:15 | <gecko__> yeah it is running but I cannot see with netstat -pta
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| 23:16 | the service must run under xinetd or in a separate daemon?
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| 23:16 | <johnny> well, on ubuntu and debian ltsp, tftp starts via openbsd-inetd (config in /etc/inetd.conf)), so it won't show up in netstat until it's actually been proxied a connection
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| 23:17 | ah.. yes correct gecko__ :)
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| 23:17 | just try locally on the server itself
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| 23:18 | tftp localhost
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| 23:18 | <gecko__> I try to make it function all day and nothing I was very close to give up but this help make me go on :)
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| 23:18 | <johnny> GET /ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 23:19 | if that works, then you should try from another machine on the network
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| 23:19 | not one of the ones you're currently attempting to boot
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| 23:19 | <sweetpi> tftp yourip 69 -c get /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz
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| 23:19 | not all have lts.conf
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| 23:20 | <johnny> ah.. that's right.. ubuntu still doesn't install a default (in my world they do)
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| 23:20 | hah
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| 23:20 | <gecko__> file not found
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| 23:20 | :S
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| 23:20 | <johnny> well at least tftp works
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| 23:20 | <gecko__> jejeje
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| 23:20 | <johnny> try the one sweetpi said
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| 23:21 | <gecko__> ok
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| 23:21 | <johnny> if that works, try it from another computer
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| 23:21 | unless you're already doing that..
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| 23:23 | <sweetpi> the only time ive seen E38 is from a cable that had a short
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| 23:25 | <gecko__> cannot get anything still
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| 23:25 | <sweetpi> it didnt download vmlinuz?
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| 23:26 | <johnny> ls /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz if that is the case
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| 23:26 | <gecko__> ok I think I fix it now but I see PXE-T01: File not found
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| 23:26 | nothing
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| 23:26 | <johnny> for the ls? that would mean you don't actually have a client os installed
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| 23:27 | ls /opt/ltsp/
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| 23:28 | <gecko__> actually I try to install tcos, and I have /var/lib/tftpboot/tcos/pxelinux.0
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| 23:29 | but I cannot get that file
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| 23:30 | <sweetpi> cant get it locally or from the client?
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| 23:30 | <gecko__> even locally
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| 23:31 | I supposse to get that file with tftp localhost
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| 23:31 | and then get /tcos/pxelinux.0 is that true?
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| 23:31 | <sweetpi> yes
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| 23:32 | if you cant get it, maybe a permissions problem
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| 23:32 | <gecko__> mmm what permissions are the good ones?
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| 23:33 | <sweetpi> check if you can get it locally
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| 23:33 | <gecko__> http://pastebin.com/hDZZcUxz
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| 23:34 | cannot get locally and from the client
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| 23:34 | <sweetpi> tftpd is running in secure mode is my guess
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| 23:35 | <gecko__> how is it?
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| 23:35 | <sweetpi> pxelinux.0 needs to be inside the tftpboot dir
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| 23:35 | right now its a symlink outside of it
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| 23:36 | I copy the entire syslinux dir inside of my tftpboot dir
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| 23:37 | btw secure mode is -s if i remember right
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| 23:37 | <gecko__> so let's copy
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| 23:38 | <sweetpi> see if you can get one of those files that are not symlinks first
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| 23:39 | <gecko__> ok :)
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| 23:41 | <johnny> tcos ?
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| 23:41 | <gecko__> what suppose to see if I get it correctly??
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| 23:41 | <vagrantc> tcos is another thin-client system
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| 23:41 | <sweetpi> the file should show up in pwd
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| 23:41 | <gecko__> yeah tcos-project
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| 23:41 | <johnny> dude.. yo uare in the wrong place
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| 23:41 | <vagrantc> loads a big initramfs
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| 23:41 | <johnny> why are you here?
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| 23:42 | <gecko__> cause it is very similar
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| 23:42 | <vagrantc> it uses ltspfs, even
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| 23:42 | but it's really not LTSP
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| 23:42 | <gecko__> and I do LTSP twice before
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| 23:42 | <johnny> gecko__, i didn't sign up (hah) to give support for other projects..
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| 23:43 | * vagrantc notes that there's no place to sign up, per se... | |
| 23:43 | <johnny> that's the hah part.
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| 23:43 | <gecko__> really sorry, that is not my intension
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| 23:43 | <johnny> g'day vagrantc
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| 23:43 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 23:44 | <sweetpi> gecko__: after you run the command, see if the file is in the directory you ran the command from
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| 23:44 | * johnny wonders what vagrantc is gonna do at debconf | |
| 23:44 | <vagrantc> johnny: i hope to have a few good laughs.
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| 23:45 | yes, that would be good.
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| 23:45 | on my bike ride to work today, i was thinking about giving a lightning talk on uCurmudgeonKit
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| 23:45 | <johnny> hah
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| 23:46 | now if only we didn't need to through through hal to end up with the awesome udev that exists now
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| 23:46 | go through*
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| 23:47 | then what we know of as devicekit-* would have already existed sooner..
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| 23:47 | <vagrantc> the only API/ABI changes to uCurmudgeonKit would be to change the project name to match the current project naming trends
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| 23:47 | thus, it will never be obsolete
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| 23:47 | <johnny> yeah.. not sure about Kit vs Manager
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| 23:47 | i wonder if there is a method to the madness
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| 23:48 | i only care about what they do tho.. not what they are named
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| 23:48 | <gecko__> sweetpi: I think it ok now I just have to check my dhcp config file
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| 23:48 | <vagrantc> that's where your projects will fail you
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| 23:48 | <johnny> i'm pretty impressed by what the new disk ui does
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| 23:49 | <vagrantc> uCurmudgeonKit *only* cares about name changes, functionality remains the same!
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| 23:49 | <johnny> vagrantc, i was happy .. that in a distro independent (not yast,*drake,blah) i could plug in a fresh usb drive and set all the filesystem stuff, including encryption, in about 2 seconds
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| 23:50 | <vagrantc> sounds purty
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| 23:50 | <johnny> and the future fedora/redhat installers are going to use the same stuff in their installer
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| 23:50 | <vagrantc> on a good day, i can do it in about 15 seconds manually
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| 23:51 | <johnny> the backend part of it
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| 23:51 | vagrantc, sure.. but you're an expert
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| 23:51 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 23:51 | <johnny> this thing isn't perfect for new people, but it's pretty good
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| 23:51 | it even recommends that you use Fat32 if you say you're using it to share with other computers
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| 23:51 | <vagrantc> anything that puts encryption in the hands of people who don't understand it seems... likely to fail in the most human of ways.
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| 23:52 | <johnny> i guess.. all it involves is remembering your password ..
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| 23:52 | obviously any distributor could remove that option if they wanted
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| 23:52 | <vagrantc> and a password that isn't triviall crackable...
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| 23:53 | <johnny> i just found that it was great for me.. so i didn't have to try to remember lv*,pv*, blah
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| 23:53 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 23:53 | <sweetpi> gecko__: pls stay in channel, not msg
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| 23:53 | gecko__: nobody else will learn from private conversations :)
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| 23:53 | <johnny> vagrantc, it's also cool, in that you can command it to do those things on other servers.. if you so chose
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| 23:53 | <gecko__> yeah sorry
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| 23:54 | <johnny> i'm pretty happy with all this code sharing btw.. :)
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| 23:54 | <gecko__> un 20 00:01:04 gecko in.tftpd[19505]: tftp: client does not accept options I got this on my syslog
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| 23:54 | <johnny> vagrantc, nobody is stopping you from doing it the old way (yet)
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| 23:54 | <vagrantc> johnny: oh, they will
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| 23:54 | <sweetpi> gecko__: i get that too.. so i dont think thats your problem
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| 23:54 | <johnny> i'm just so happy of all these people adopting some standard tools :)
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| 23:55 | <vagrantc> yeah, standards are good if they actually consistantly get adopted
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| 23:55 | <johnny> i always hated all t hat *drake stuff on mandrake, and yast on SuSe
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| 23:55 | and whatever redhat had
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| 23:55 | <vagrantc> me too
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| 23:55 | <johnny> so.. now we're adopting something that works across many places
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| 23:56 | <gecko__> sweetpi: my terminal do not pass fro GATEWAY IP ......
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| 23:56 | <sweetpi> so ... out of context.. "standards are good if they become standard"? i agree :)
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| 23:56 | <vagrantc> oh look, dracut's in debina
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| 23:56 | debian
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| 23:56 | <sweetpi> gecko__: set in dhcp conf
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| 23:56 | <johnny> but initramfs-tools is still used by default tho right?
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| 23:56 | <vagrantc> johnny: most certainly
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| 23:57 | i should try it with ltsp, though
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| 23:57 | <johnny> maybe one day they will adopt dracut
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| 23:57 | vagrantc, and you can poke the new fedora ltsp guy if his config doesn't work out of the box for you :)
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| 23:57 | <vagrantc> first step is to make it a viable alternative
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| 23:57 | <johnny> vagrantc, well, if you can take his dracut config and have it just work for ltsp
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| 23:57 | then i'd say it's viable
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| 23:58 | <vagrantc> we'll find out... someday
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