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Channel log from 28 November 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:30 | <mikejf1> I'm trying to setup LTSP with a IBM NetVista and whenever I try and boot of the LTSP server I get a "Boot file server protocol not specified" error.
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| 02:31 | I am using DHCP so I haven't forgotten to set something on the NetVista bios
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| 02:32 | I have seen a few things online saying that LTSP doesn't work out od the box with the NetVistas but I haven't been able to find a howto or anything to help get it working
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| 02:32 | can anyone here point me in the right direction?
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| 02:45 | <alkisg> Does it support PXE? If it doesn't, and it only supports other protocols like RPL, it'd be easier if you used a floppy/cd/usb to boot it...
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| 03:02 | <alkisg> mikejf1: also, give it a try to specify option-211: http://www.fredshack.com/docs/ibm_netvista.html
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| 03:38 | <mikejf1> alkisg: I don't know wether it supports PXE but it doesn't have any floppy or cd drives
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| 03:39 | it has USB but I doubt it will boot of it
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| 03:40 | <alkisg> Well, all I can tell you is first to try the option-211 above, and if that doesn't work, find and read the netvista manual to see what it supports.
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| 03:40 | <mikejf1> Ok, thanks
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| 09:59 | <moldy> hi
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| 09:59 | i have one client from which i can only login as a certain user... all other users don't seem to work. manually sshing from the client into the server works fine with any user. what could be the cause for this?
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| 10:00 | another problem: my clients don't reboot properly with ubuntu karmic
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| 10:00 | i need to hardware-reboot them... software reboot results in a screen with nbd errors
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> moldy: about the second one, it's a bug that was fixed shortly after the karmic release
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| 10:05 | ldm.c was changed to call `shutdown -fp` or `reboot -fp` instead of just -p
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| 10:05 | About the first one, have a look at ~/.xsession-errors on the users that can't logon
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| 10:05 | <moldy> alkisg: will the fix be backportes to karmic?
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| 10:05 | alkisg: ok, thanks, will check that
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| 10:05 | <alkisg> It has, it's in some PPA
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| 10:06 | <moldy> alkisg: cool... if you happen to have the link handy, please tell me :)
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> !stgraber-ppa
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| 10:06 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "stgraber-ppa" :: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 10:06 | <moldy> alkisg: thanks alot
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> yw :)
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| 10:22 | <moldy> alkisg: .xsession_errors: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?5464
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| 10:26 | i cannot make much sense of it :-/
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| 10:26 | "Unable to open X display 192.168.0.33:7.0" -- but why?
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| 10:29 | is it the graphics driver? but why can i then login with one user, but not with others?
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| 10:30 | and the accounts that don't work from that client work fine from other ones
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| 11:22 | <Patina> Had to compile kernel to get rootfs on nfs, but now usb-keyboard doesn't work. Any ideas why?
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| 11:28 | <moldy> Patina: check your kernel config for usb/hid stuff
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| 11:30 | <Patina> moldy: Did that, but don't know what to look for.
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| 11:36 | <moldy> Patina: grep for "hid"
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| 11:36 | "HID", actually
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| 11:36 | something like: zgrep -i hid /proc/config.gz
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| 11:39 | <Patina> I don't have a /proc/config.gz, I usually use "make menuconfig".
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| 12:00 | <Patina> moldy: Thanks, works know.
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| 12:01 | Not exactly sure what I did though.
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| 12:16 | <moldy> Patina: enable /proc/config.gz, it's always good to have it
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> moldy: what exactly does it do and the users don't log on/
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| 12:29 | ?
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| 12:29 | Blank screen, gets back to ldm, what?
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| 12:34 | <moldy> alkisg: displays spinner, screen goes dark, back to ldm prompt
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| 12:35 | some X issue? graphics driver?
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| 12:35 | <alkisg> Hmmm and what happens for a *new* user?
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| 12:35 | <moldy> alkisg: the user that does not work is a new one
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| 12:35 | some older ones work, some older ones don't
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| 12:36 | i am about to try a different graphics driver... takes some time, the machine is physically hard to access at the moment
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> moldy: well, just try with XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf then
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| 12:37 | <moldy> yeah, i am trying
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> I wonder if it has anything to do with compiz...
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| 12:38 | <moldy> but that reboto bug makes it hard to reboot the machine :p
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| 12:38 | "reboot bug"
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> Heh, do put that ppa to your chroot sources...
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| 12:38 | <moldy> i need to go downstairs 2 floors and climb upon a ladder and operate the box from the top of that ladder :p
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| 12:38 | <moldy> how do i tell apt to use the ppa only for ldm, not for other stuff?
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| 12:38 | <knipwim> what happened to the wiki?
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| 12:39 | <moldy> if i do a dist-upgrade with the ppa active, it replaces all sorts of ltsp stuff
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> There's apt-pinning for that (you give it low priority),
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| 12:39 | but you can just install the deb with dpkg -i,
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| 12:40 | and once just copying the ldm executable worked for me :)
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| 12:40 | moldy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#Use%20pinning%20to%20limit%20the%20backports%20repository
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| 12:40 | That's the "correct" (TM) way to do it...
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| 12:41 | <moldy> alkisg: thx
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| 12:42 | <alkisg> knipwim: it's being moved to sourceforge because the server died
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| 12:42 | !docs
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| 12:42 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 12:43 | <knipwim> i was looking for the "Integrating LTSP into your favorite distro" page
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| 12:43 | didn't see in on the new sf wiki
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| 12:43 | <moldy> alkisg: how do i identify the ppa in references?
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> I've never actually done it, so your google is as good as mine ;)
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| 12:44 | <moldy> i tried googling, but i did not find anything
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> Ah, wait then..
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| 12:45 | <moldy> i know how to pin backports, but ppas seem to be different
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| 12:45 | ppas seem to use the same archive names as the official repositories
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> probably need to pin on other qualities, then
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| 12:47 | <moldy> o= seems to be it
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> moldy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/270817
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| 12:47 | I think a good way is the one that is mentioned on the first comment
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| 12:48 | <moldy> yup, that's what i just found, too. thanks :) trying it now
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> It says that they fixed the problem: "setting Pin: release o=LP-PPA-mvo works now"
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| 12:51 | <moldy> it does not seem to have the desired effect, though
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| 12:51 | apt still wants to install stuff from the ppa
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| 12:51 | * alkisg tries... | |
| 12:52 | <moldy> my /etc/apt/references: http://pastebin.com/f44eef48d
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> Is -100 a valid priority?
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| 12:53 | <moldy> not sure... i tried other values, too
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> And, it should be ***p***references
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| 12:54 | <moldy> ahh
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> Or maybe a file in preferences.d/*
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| 12:55 | <moldy> still no success for me, though
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> vagrantc? some help? :) Do files in /etc/apt/preferences.d need some special extension?
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| 12:55 | <moldy> i have it in /etc/apt/preferences, in accordance with the debian documentation
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| 12:57 | i think now i have it working
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> apt-cache policy is your freind
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> Got it
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| 12:57 | preferences.d/stgraber, with the following contents:
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| 12:57 | <moldy> this seems to work http://pastebin.com/f29845323
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> Package: *
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| 12:57 | Pin: release o=LP-PPA-stgraber
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| 12:57 | Pin-Priority: 400
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| 13:00 | <moldy> hmmm
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| 13:00 | * alkisg is on Karmic | |
| 13:00 | <moldy> me too
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| 13:00 | but i still don't quite get it :)
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| 13:01 | <alkisg> I didn't have to specify anything else... just this file with those 3 lines
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| 13:01 | <vagrantc> pin priority of 101-499 will typically stay the same version as your primary release, but if the version is already higher, it will handle upgrades and such.
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| 13:01 | so typically, you want a pin priority in that range, and then manually select the versions of packages you want from it, and then it'll handle upgrades and whatnot
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| 13:02 | apt-cache policy will tell you the priority for each repository
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> I get 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status, 400 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages, and 500 http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages. Looks fine to me...
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| 13:03 | <moldy> alkisg: with your 3 lines, dist-upgrade wants to upgrade packages with stuff from the ppa, for me
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> What does `apt-cache policy ldm` tell you?
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| 13:04 | <moldy> http://pastebin.com/f4efd6dbb
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> Also, did you delete the older preferences file?
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| 13:04 | <moldy> yep
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| 13:05 | it has priority 500
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| 13:05 | but it should be 400.... i must have made a mistake somewhere
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> Do upload that file contents with copy/paste, maybe you mistyped something?
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| 13:05 | (preferences.d/stgraber)
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| 13:05 | <moldy> http://pastebin.com/f5c055098
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| 13:08 | i am inside my client chroot, btw
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| 13:08 | maybe that explains different behaviour?
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> Hm, let me try that..
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| 13:10 | Nope, it's fine for me: http://pastebin.com/m1b85a0b5
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| 13:10 | Did you add the ppa keys, to mark it as trusted?
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| 13:10 | <moldy> yep
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| 13:13 | <moldy> do you need to refresh anything after changing the preferences stuff?
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> No
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| 13:14 | I did one apt-get update after adding stgraber's repository, but just that one time.
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| 13:15 | Why don't you also try outside of the chroot, just in case you have some other weird configuration in effect inside the chroot?
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| 13:15 | <moldy> ok
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| 13:17 | outside of the chroot, it seems to work
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| 13:18 | umm, wait... now it seems to work inside the chroot as well? weird
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| 13:19 | hmm
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| 13:20 | <moldy> hmm... maybe it's because i used aptitude, not apt-get?
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| 13:20 | aptitude wants to upgrade ldm now, apt-get does not
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> Ah, yes, aptitude also wants to upgrade for me too.
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> Hmmm that's not a good thing :)
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| 13:21 | <moldy> hm, ok
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| 13:21 | indeed
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| 13:23 | how do i tell apt to install a single package from the ppa now?
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| 13:23 | ah, never mind
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| 13:27 | * alkisg wonders how synaptic behaves with priority=400... | |
| 13:29 | <alkisg> Bah, synaptic and update-manager also want to install the updates... even if I lower the priority to 100.
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| 13:29 | So that only works with apt-get? :O
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| 13:30 | moldy: got it. Only apt-get looks in preferences.d/*
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| 13:30 | Aptitude just looks in /etc/apt/preferences
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| 13:31 | So I think it'd be safer if you did `mv /etc/apt/preferences.d/stgraber /etc/apt/preferences`
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| 13:43 | <moldy> alkisg: hm ok, thanks
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> vagrantc: got some time for a couple of packaging questions? :)
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> alkisg: got some time to ask questions?
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> :D
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| 13:52 | One is, I'm creating the whole tree structure in my source, e.g. ./etc/apache2/conf.d/sch-server.conf and usr/share/sch-server/* instead of having a "flat" structure and telling things where to go from my package.install file. Is that OK?
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you'll want to install it to debian/PACKAGENAME
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I mean this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/330534/
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| 13:55 | That's my *source*, and the tree structure shows where things will finally be installed - but I saw in the ltsp packages that you don't do that, but use e.g. a lot of entries in debian/ltsp-server.install instead...
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| 13:56 | While my debian/sch-server.install just says to copy my whole etc dir to the system /etc
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| 13:56 | ...and while that looks easy for me, maybe it's wrong?
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> if it works, what's wrong with it?
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> I don't know, I was worried about directory "ownership" of the package system?
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| 14:00 | Seems to work fine to me
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> should be handled by your debian/rules file calls to dh_*
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| 14:00 | <moldy> is there any documentation ltsp-build-client.conf?
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> `ltsp-build-client --extra-help` - I don't know of any documentation about ltsp-build-client.conf..
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| 14:02 | vagrantc: Another question is, I want to install that file: /etc/apache2/conf.d/sch-server.conf. That would be a conffile, I guess. But that directory belongs to apache, am I OK in having a file there belonging to my package?
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| 14:02 | <moldy> alkisg: yeah, i am wondering which of the options from --extra-help are supported in the config file
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> Or should I just copy it there in postinst?
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> ltsp-build-client.conf is simply sourced from ltsp-build-client
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| 14:03 | moldy: most of the commandline options have correlary uppercased variable names
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| 14:03 | alkisg: yeah, otherwise all those *.d directories would be nearly useless :)
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> Nice :) :)
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's not so fussy about directories
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> I tried to put a symlink in /var/www, and when the package was removed, I got a warning about "/var/www not empty so not removing it" and that got me worried :)
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| 14:04 | <moldy> vagrantc: then i am doing something wrong :)
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> moldy: look in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/* for the relevent plugins and variable names.
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| 14:05 | <moldy> vagrantc: thanks
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> alkisg: that's just dpkg being a little too verbose
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> vagrantc: and a last one for now, I want to put some configuration files that need to be changed in postinst. E.g. I need to create an /etc/dnsmasq.d/sch-server.conf file that has the IP of the server there. So I'm thinking of providing an example in /usr/share/docs/sch-server, copying it to /etc/dnsmasq.d, and modifying it from postinst. Sounds OK?
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| 14:07 | (of course those won't be conffiles, and I'll remove them from postrm if --purge is passed...)
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> alkisg: sounds good. though to be proper your postinst needs to respect changed values on upgrades and whatnot, which gets tricky fast.
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Nah, if the file exists I won't touch it at all :)
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| 14:08 | I know my limits :)
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Thank you!
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| 15:19 | <moldy> btw: the login problem still exists: new users can only login from some clients, but not from others
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> moldy: did you try with xserver=vesa?
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| 20:51 | <dfwlinuxguy> hi...anyone available that can help me with sound?
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| 20:51 | anyone here at all?
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| 20:57 | <Ryan52> !question
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| 20:57 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: "question" :: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 20:58 | <Ryan52> dfwlinuxguy: also explain more what your problem is and what you've tried so far, and have patience.
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| 20:59 | <dfwlinuxguy> I am using debian lenny...pulseaudio and the sound works on my pxe boot clients, but the sound is way too low..I can't turn it up loud enough
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| 21:00 | I was using karmic and the sound was fine on one client I was using, but I couldn't boot my hp thin client from it (long time ubuntu fan, but damn karmic) so I switched to lenny
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| 21:01 | so I started using pulse audio because I had it working in karmic, but now the sound works, but the volume can not be turned up loud enough
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| 21:02 | I know sound on linux is a mess.....esd, pulse, oss, alsa..I have to admit that I'm not quite the expert in that area
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| 21:09 | also, I understand the dhcpd and tftp part of the whole thing, but I was wondering if there was some documentation I could read about how everything else works with ltsp. I congratulate the devs on the fact that ltsp "just works", but I'd like to understand it more at the lowest levels
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| 21:26 | <Ryan52> dfwlinuxguy: huh. IIRC there was some variable to set the volume.
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| 21:27 | <dfwlinuxguy> where???
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| 21:27 | maybe I missed that
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| 21:28 | <Ryan52> in lts.conf.
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| 21:28 | !doco
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| 21:28 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: Error: "doco" is not a valid command.
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| 21:28 | <Ryan52> !docs
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| 21:28 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 21:28 | <Ryan52> oh my.
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| 21:28 | dfwlinuxguy: anyways, take a look at the docs, they might say...
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| 21:30 | <dfwlinuxguy> thank you. I've been doing this for 12 years and I didn't just come here bothering everyone without doing some research. I've RTFM and everything else I could find. I was just hoping that someone had experience the same issue and could point me in the right direction
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| 21:30 | <johnny> it has a list of all lts.conf vars
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| 21:30 | <Ryan52> dfwlinuxguy: try setting PCM_VOLUME.
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| 21:30 | <johnny> or should..
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| 21:30 | <Ryan52> dfwlinuxguy: if not, trying changing VOLUME to 100.
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| 21:30 | <dfwlinuxguy> PCM_VOLUME = 100 ????
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| 21:30 | <Ryan52> sure.
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| 21:31 | 19:30 < dfwlinuxguy> thank you. I've been doing this for 12 years and I didn't just come here bothering everyone without doing some research. I've RTFM and everything else I could find. I was just hoping that someone had experience the same issue and could point me in the right direction
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| 21:31 | I did just that.
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| 21:31 | those docs I pointed to, chapter 13 is where I got those variable names from.
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| 21:32 | <dfwlinuxguy> yeah...I guess the delay is quite large on my end...thank you
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| 21:39 | <dfwlinuxguy> I found a couple of examples at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2007-September/002394.html and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2008-August/156071.html ...thanks to your suggestions...I'm doing a ltsp-update-image right now...I'll reboot in a second and see if that gets me anywhere....THANK YOU
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| 21:42 | <dfwlinuxguy> well that didn't seem to do anything
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| 21:43 | I still have the same issue
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| 21:44 | <dfwlinuxguy> thank you for the suggestion
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| 21:45 | I also have an issue where I can insert a USB keydrive into the client and it is mounted automatically, but cannot be un-mounted by anyone but root....I can deal with this fine, but I was hoping to make it a bit more friendly for my wife
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| 21:51 | i know that I can set it up in FSTAB so that this specific device could have the user option, but I was hoping there was a solution so that ANY device connected could be unmounted by root
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| 21:51 | sorry...by someone other than root
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| 21:55 | well thanks for the suggestions
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| 22:00 | would anyone be willing to say if esd or pulseaudio is easier to get setup and working correctly with ltsp and where definitive instructions on doing so can be found?
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| 22:01 | please?
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| 22:14 | <Ryan52> did I not tell him to have patience?
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| 22:15 | <Ryan52> dfwlinuxguy: have some patience.
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| 22:16 | dfwlinuxguy: or try asking at another time.
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| 22:16 | people might be afk or busy.
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| 22:19 | <johnny> you don't unount them
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| 22:19 | dfwlinuxguy, you don't umount the devices
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| 22:19 | just unplug em
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| 22:19 | they get unmounted automatically after some small number of seconds or so after last access
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| 22:20 | esd is dead
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| 22:20 | pulse is required
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| 22:20 | it's automatic
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| 22:20 | no setting up
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| 22:20 | dfwlinuxguy, paying attention?
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| 22:20 | <dfwlinuxguy> so if I am having issues with pulse, where to I go to find solutions?
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| 22:21 | <johnny> well.. you understood about the devices right?
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| 22:21 | depends on if you can replicate the pulse issue
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| 22:21 | on a regular desktop session
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| 22:21 | if youc an't.. then here
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| 22:21 | if you can, in your distro support chat
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| 22:21 | <dfwlinuxguy> I understand that the USB stick will be automatically unmounted
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| 22:22 | <johnny> and don't use thin client session when troubleshooting with them.. keep it out of the problem altogether
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| 22:22 | <dfwlinuxguy> the issue with pulse is a different story...it works, but the volume is very low and can't be turned up
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| 22:22 | <johnny> if it turns out to be a normal problem on your distro that is..
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| 22:23 | <dfwlinuxguy> I've tried everything and the volume is still too low
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| 22:23 | <johnny> does it work fine in a normal session?
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| 22:23 | my clients don't have sound
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| 22:23 | so i don't know how it all works
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| 22:23 | you might need to try alsamixer in the ltsp local apps xterm
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| 22:24 | and change some other control
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| 22:24 | <dfwlinuxguy> yes, I did..there is only one output device and it is turned up all the way
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| 22:24 | <johnny> you need to see the part before pulse takes it over
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| 22:24 | i'm just not that familiar
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| 22:24 | you'll have to come back here during the week
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| 22:24 | <dfwlinuxguy> what is the relationship between pulse and alsa?
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| 22:24 | <johnny> when people who use sound with clients are about
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| 22:25 | alsa talks to the kernel.. pulse talks to alsa
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| 22:25 | <dfwlinuxguy> wow....
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| 22:26 | I guess I can try back next week...thank you for responding
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| 22:26 | <johnny> this channel is definitely more active during usa business hours
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| 22:27 | <dfwlinuxguy> yes and it is the thanksgiving holiday...i understand
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| 22:27 | <johnny> and sometimes european ones.. depending..
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| 22:27 | <dfwlinuxguy> just a geek here that never rests
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| 22:27 | <johnny> me too..
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| 22:27 | <dfwlinuxguy> I really love LTSP
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| 22:28 | I understand the dchp and tftp parts of the whole thing...can you point to a guide in helping to understand the underpinnings of LTSP...I'd like to understand it better on a deeper level
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| 22:28 | <johnny> the docs
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| 22:29 | most of the deeper level is just standard linux tools
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| 22:29 | ltsp is just the glue that ties it altogether
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| 22:29 | <dfwlinuxguy> it's amazing that it works so well
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| 22:29 | <johnny> the docs desccribe how the system fits together iirc
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| 22:29 | well. thank the guys who build all the tools then too :)
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| 22:29 | ssh, X, and the like
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| 22:30 | <dfwlinuxguy> I understand xdmcp sessions and the like, I was just wanting to find out more about pxe boot clients and how it is working over ssh
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| 22:30 | <dfwlinuxguy> It is unbelievable to me that more people don't use this
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| 22:31 | I've always been facinated by thin clients
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| 22:35 | well thank yo
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| 23:28 | <tinpardo> hi
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