IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 October 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:22 | <osl> hi all , i am having this error: ""cannot open root device"<NULL"> or uknown bloack(3,70). Please append a correct "root" boot option .Kernel Panic - not syncing : VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(3,70)"
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| 06:23 | can anyone help ?
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| 06:27 | <osl> ??
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| 06:31 | <ogra> what distro/ltsp release is that ?
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| 06:44 | <osl> orga , it's mille-xterm , a project built on ltsp
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| 06:46 | <ogra> well apparently your initramfs doesnt know it should netboot
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| 06:47 | block(3,70) is surely not on the network ... thats what it searches for
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| 06:49 | <osl> orga , where can i start looking for a solution then ?
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| 06:50 | <ogra> it the code that creates your kernel/initramfs or bootconfig
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| 06:50 | and check your dhcpd config
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| 06:51 | <osl> orga , the root path in dhcp.conf ir correct
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| 07:42 | <cdealer> hi
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| 07:43 | [ogra]:: the ltsp logs are under /var ?
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| 07:44 | <ogra> depends
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| 07:44 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: and its possible to have a tmp folder separeted for each user ? like /tmp/user1 /tmp/user2 ...
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| 07:59 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:00 | cdealer: That's really not an LTSP issue, just a general linux setup issue.
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| 08:01 | cdealer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMPDIR
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| 08:01 | So, you can set something up in /etc/environment like mkdir /tmp/${USER} ; TMPDIR=/tmp/${USER}
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| 08:02 | but there's no guarentee that all programs will respect it.
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| 08:06 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: Hmmmm thanks for the tip... its because we are having some annoyng issue with some tmp files permission
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| 08:06 | [sbalneav]:: I will give a try
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| 08:25 | <cdealer> sbalneav its normal to appear in env like this TMPDIR=/tmp/${USER}
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| 08:26 | <sbalneav> No
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| 08:26 | <sbalneav> You've done something wrong.
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| 08:28 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: I just add to the /etc/environment TMPDIR="/tmp/${USER}"
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| 08:28 | maybe without quotes
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| 08:29 | no work
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| 08:31 | <sbalneav> Doesn't look like /etc/environment does variable substitution
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| 08:31 | stick it in /etc/profile then.
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| 08:32 | <cdealer> sbalneav im addiing in /etc/profile
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| 08:32 | yep
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| 08:33 | worked now =)
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| 08:33 | <sbalneav> Odd that /etc/environment doesn't do variable subst
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| 08:34 | <cdealer> sbalneavyeah, i didnt know until now
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> Well, easily solved. :)
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| 08:39 | <cdealer> yeah
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| 08:41 | [sbalneav]:: but doesnt seen the ltsp is respecting the tmp dir set ed in the env
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| 08:42 | the files orbit-user and hsperfdata-user are still being created under /tmp
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| 08:43 | <sbalneav> Like I say, that's absolutely nothing to do with ltsp.
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| 08:43 | log in on the console, you'll have the same problem.
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> not all programs respect the TMPDIR variable.
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| 08:44 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: hmmm
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> if they hardcode paths in the program to /tmp/whatever, as opposed to checking the $TMPDIR variable and respecting it, that will be the result.
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| 08:45 | I'm probably guilty of that in some of my programs.
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| 08:46 | The thing to do would be to sort out which program creates the orbit-user and hswhatever files, and file bug reports against upstream versions asking them to respect the $TMPDIR variable.
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| 08:47 | It'd be an easy fix for any program.
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| 08:47 | few extra lines of code.
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> for instance:
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| 08:50 | the /tmp/orbit-* files are owned by the bonobo-activation daemon.
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| 08:50 | Lemme grab the source and have a look.
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| 08:52 | <cdealer> sbalneav yeah, im giving a look here and trying to config to the right paths
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> yeah, it's got things like this in it:
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| 08:54 | while (!g_file_test ("/tmp/orbit-go", G_FILE_TEST_EXISTS))
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| 08:54 | So, that's a hardcoded /tmp path.
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| 08:57 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: this is not the big deal, at least it creates a folder identifing the owner, I hope other problems respect the path because some of day just create a generic file with only rw permissions for the owner(root) and this is the problem... I will look to see if this problem get solved now or I will have to dig into the code
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| 09:46 | <cdealer> the ltsp.conf file is read after rebooting the client or just need to logoff and logon again ?
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| 09:53 | <Blinny> cdealer: _I think_ just logoff/logon - A logoff restarts the XServer, and that's when lts.conf is read.
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| 09:53 | cdealer: I may be incorrect on that though.
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| 09:53 | <cdealer> [Blinny]:: ok, thanks
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| 09:55 | <Blinny> cdealer: Try it both ways and see.
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| 11:59 | * vagrantc nudges ogra to update the gutsy-ltsp branch | |
| 12:22 | * vagrantc notes that the TODO file hasn't been edited since 2005-12-05 | |
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| 12:34 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, perhaps too many things to do so no time for TODO :)
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> i think many of the TODO items have been resolved since ...
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| 12:35 | and the ChangeLog has been edited *once* :)
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| 13:04 | <joebob777as7_> ogra or sbalneav you on? i'm having boot issues. taking me to a /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off screen
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| 13:04 | <sbalneav> on all machines?
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| 13:04 | Or just one?
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| 13:05 | <joebob777as7_> well i set up one as per ogra's instructions i don't have the rest of my machines yet. I made an nvidia chroot to install video drivers for this box on but the machine won't boot. I got it to boot from the right chroot though.
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| 13:06 | <sbalneav> Well, no. Usually that message is from the initramfs not being able to mount the chroot.
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| 13:06 | So, I don't think you're mounting the chroot.
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| 13:07 | <joebob777as7_> oh ok...
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| 13:07 | <sbalneav> You're just sitiing in the initramfs
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| 13:07 | <joebob777as7_> so do you think my dhcpd is wrong?
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| 13:07 | <sbalneav> Sorry, my crystal ball's out for repair.
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| 13:07 | But if you'd like to post it to the pastebot....
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| 13:08 | I could look at it :)
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| 13:08 | <ltsppbot> "joebob777as7" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/328
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> joebob777as7_: can you manually mount /opt/ltsp/nvidia on the server ?
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> ok, what's your inetd.conf file look like? And your "default" file in the pxelinux.cfg dir in the custom kernel you seem to be booting.
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| 13:11 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/nvidia/pxelinux.0
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> oh yeah, this isn't NFS ... that's why i backed out :)
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| 13:12 | <ltsppbot> "joebob777as7" pasted "inetd.conf" (45 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/329
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| 13:13 | "joebob777as7" pasted "default" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/330
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| 13:14 | <sbalneav> nbdport=${PORT}${PORT}?
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| 13:14 | THATS a problem
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| 13:14 | What's the ip address of your server?
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| 13:15 | <joebob777as7_> i haven't changed a thing... 10.0.0.1
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| 13:16 | <sbalneav> try setting nbdport=2001
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| 13:16 | in the default file.
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| 13:18 | <joebob777as7_> sweet worked!
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| 13:19 | <joebob777as7_> thanks sbalneav !
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| 13:20 | <sbalneav> np
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| 13:21 | <joebob777as7_> sbalneav, i have another question: I have another server that is having some issues... It doesn't allow users to log off and only some users can print. this system is about a month old running gutsy but has been updated. should i just reinstall the whole thing or should it be fixable?
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| 13:21 | sadly i'm an hour away...
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> Once again, my crystal ball is broken. What processes are running when the user logs out?
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| 13:23 | You can, I assume, ssh into this box?
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| 13:24 | <joebob777as7_> no haven't had a chance to set up dyndns yet. they can't log out at all when they click the log off button nothing happens. I know you probably can't solve it without me down there just wondering what i should check when i get there?
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> I could type out about 50 things you could check. But there's little point. Better to wait until you get network access set up, or are on site.
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| 13:25 | <joebob777as7_> ok sounds good. thanks
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| 13:25 | you going to be on tomorrow about this time?
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> I'm at work, but as a sysadmin, I don't know if I'll be at my desk or not. Ping me and see if I answer.
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| 13:27 | <joebob777as7_> ok sounds good thanks
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| 13:32 | sbalneav, do you know why when i try to enable compiz on this system it says no whitelisted driver found? i know you aren't into compiz just wondering?
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| 14:07 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: what you think about FreeNX, honest
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| 14:26 | no one ?
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> What do you mean?
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| 14:27 | It does what it was designed to do ok.
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| 14:27 | It's not particularily well suited to LTSP.
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| 14:49 | <otavio> vagrantc: uploaded simple-cdd
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| 14:51 | * vagrantc wonders how many people in #ltsp have a clue what simple-cdd is :) | |
| 14:52 | <otavio> vagrantc: sorry
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| 14:52 | ;P
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| 14:53 | <sepski> cdealer, bloated comes to mind, :)
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| 14:53 | <cdealer> well, Im studing all the possibilities and today a friend come withe the nx ideia, saying to be better them ltsp, so I hope that you could give me a true opnion about this
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| 14:54 | <sbalneav> Well, better for what?
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| 14:54 | Better for accessing a machine on the other side of the planet, or better for a class full of 30 workstations?
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| 14:55 | <cdealer> both
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| 14:55 | what he said
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| 14:55 | <sbalneav> He's set up a server with 30 machines doing NX into them?
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| 14:56 | <cdealer> what he said is that he have a client running 100 clients
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| 14:57 | <cdealer> well, I have to ggo now... but later i come back so we can talk abotu this
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| 14:57 | thanks for now
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| 14:57 | <sbalneav> Don't bother
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| 14:58 | I don't care either way. Use his or use ours. I don't feel the need to compete :)
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| 14:58 | <cdealer> no no
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| 14:58 | isnt a competition
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| 14:58 | I want a techinical opnion
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> No, you want me to either say his is better or mine is better.
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| 14:59 | All of this stuff is free: why don't YOU try both, and see what fits YOU better?
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| 14:59 | I know my solution, I don't know his, so I can't render an intelligent opinion on it.
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| 15:00 | If his works better, great. If mine works better, that's great too.
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| 15:00 | <cdealer> yeah, is what im going to do anyway, because i have to... but if I know that nx isnt better so I wont go to deep in nx
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| 15:00 | well, I like ltsp, spended a lot of time on it so far
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| 15:00 | <sbalneav> You may like NX more.
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| 15:01 | The whole point to Free software is choice :)
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| 15:01 | <cdealer> sure
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| 15:01 | well
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| 15:01 | thanks anyway you are all very helpfull
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| 15:01 | cya later
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| 15:01 | <sbalneav> NP
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| 15:03 | <sbalneav> Heh, "Mr. Ford Dealer, I wonder if you could tell me if a Chevvy is better than your product or not?"
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| 15:05 | What we cheifly need is for someone to sit down and make a head to head comparison between 40 workstations running stock ltsp, and 40 workstations running nx.
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| 15:05 | then any time this comes up, we could just point people at that.
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| 15:05 | What would be best is if it was done by a disinterested third party.
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| 15:42 | <rjune_> !s
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| 15:43 | <ltspbot> rjune_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 16:26 | <lns> is there a specific place on the server client system logs are kept, or are they all kept on the clients in ramfs?
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| 19:30 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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