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Channel log from 1 December 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:48 | <MasterOne_> anybody here?
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| 03:52 | <Drakeweb> hey ogra, I got the eon 4000 thin client working in the end! Phew ...
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| 03:52 | <MasterOne> what happened to sdm?
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| 03:53 | <Drakeweb> I worked my way through the different xserver settings until i got one that actually did something
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| 03:53 | <MasterOne> just wanted to try it on SCREEN_08, but it does not seem to be installed in the chroot?
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| 03:53 | <Drakeweb> then played around with the resolution and colour depth settings until it displayed
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| 03:54 | turning off encryption helped as well
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| 04:00 | <MasterOne> I can see it's about the package sdm-terminal. Is there any reason, why that package is not installed any more in the chroot by default? Or is it not maintained any more?
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| 04:54 | <mic_p> Hi all. I have a problem with the 5 version on debian. No X server... Where to start?
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| 04:59 | <mic_p> Hi all. I have a problem with the 5 version on debian. No X server... Where to start?
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| 06:00 | <MasterOne> is libflashsupport supposed to be installed inside the client chroot, or just on the ltsp5 server?
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| 06:01 | because the following post on the mailinglist says to reboot the thin client after installation: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-November/002774.html
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| 06:01 | ?
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| 06:01 | anybody here?
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| 06:03 | <cyberorg> i think it is where the browser is, MasterOne
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| 06:03 | <cliebow> Drakewb: wa to post your working config in case someone else needs it??
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| 06:03 | <cyberorg> son on server only
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| 06:03 | <MasterOne> I assumed that as well
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| 06:04 | will try now
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| 06:12 | <cliebow> Drakeweb: wa to post your working config in case someone else needs it??
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| 07:37 | <ogra> sbalneav, hmm, i might have found the cause for our left behind processes on logout with the new ldm ... see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldm/+bug/173239 i'm just testing ...
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| 07:53 | <johnny> if somebody is on the edubuntu list, cna somebody reply to the guy asking about autologin and point him to the bug ?
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| 07:55 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-November/002770.html
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| 07:55 | <ogra> johnny, are you one of the guys seeing stale processes left behind after logout ?
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| 07:55 | <johnny> yes
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| 07:55 | or rather.. sorry prolly not
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| 07:55 | cuz my clients rarely log out
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| 07:55 | just power cycle
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| 07:55 | so that's the least of my worries atm
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| 07:55 | <ogra> hmm, k
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| 07:56 | moquist, mind to test http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm_5.0.39+20071127pre5.1-0ubuntu3_i386.deb in a gutsy image ? it *might* fix the issue
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| 07:56 | <johnny> that's an ldm package? :)
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| 07:56 | <ogra> yeah
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| 07:56 | <johnny> this split is going to be great for ltsp
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| 07:57 | <ogra> the binaries were always split
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| 07:57 | <johnny> not quite as intensive as the xorg split tho luckily :)
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| 07:57 | <ogra> we split on source level atm ...
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| 07:57 | <johnny> yes
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| 07:57 | good stuff
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| 07:57 | much easier to manage once it's done
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| 07:57 | <ogra> but a huge amount of work to do it first place
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| 07:58 | <johnny> not as much as for xorg :)
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| 07:58 | * johnny remembers that insane | |
| 07:58 | <ogra> i dont think i'll manage much feature development for hardy
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| 07:58 | it will very likely be a more stabilizes gutsy version we'll ship this time round
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| 07:58 | *stabilized
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| 07:58 | <johnny> hmm.. what features were you interested in?
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| 07:58 | <ogra> i ? none :)
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| 07:59 | for me ltsp is feature complete ...
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| 07:59 | <johnny> i mean in relation to pleasing users
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| 07:59 | <stgraber> local apps ? :)
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| 07:59 | <ogra> but there are people wanting localapps
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| 07:59 | <johnny> i don't understand that xprops stuff people were talking about, that delves into black arts stuff to me :)
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| 07:59 | <ogra> thats localdev
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| 07:59 | * johnny goes to read the man pages | |
| 07:59 | <johnny> no..local apps, that's what written on the local apps page
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| 08:00 | of whichbtw... the spec page the wiki links too is down
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| 08:00 | <ogra> read up about mcookie as well :)
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| 08:00 | ah, k
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| 08:00 | <johnny> i remember mcookie
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| 08:00 | <ogra> well, it sets properties on the root window ... which the client can read then
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| 08:00 | <johnny> when i was doing some other voodoo awhilea ago
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| 08:01 | * ogra just wrote ltsp-image-shell and ltsp-gtk-shell :) | |
| 08:02 | <ogra> the first one mounts the image into a readwrite mode and spawns a shell inside it ... so you can edit image contents ... then re-squashes it at the end ...
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| 08:02 | the second one is a wrapper that makes it possible to embed this shell in pygtk apps :)
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| 08:02 | another small step towards a working ltsp-manager :)
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| 08:03 | and we can get rid of the chroot that way :)
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| 08:03 | only needs the image around which saves about 400M diskspace
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| 08:18 | <vlt> Hello. I'm running LTSP (Kubuntu 6.06 packaged) in 32 bit mode on an AMD64 machine (4 GB of RAM). Are there any known issues of installing the amd64 branch (keeping the i386 tree for 32 bit clients, of course)? Will there be noticable (speed) advantages?
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| 08:21 | <johnny> doubtful
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| 08:22 | <vlt> johnny: Can you explain why?
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| 08:23 | <johnny> because the apps themselves aren't really designed to take advantage of it
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| 08:23 | except maybe the gimp or some other more intensive processing apps
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| 08:23 | <ogra> vlt, you have 64bit clients ?
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| 08:24 | or do you mean you wnat to run the server on 64bit (without proper flash support etc) ?
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| 08:24 | *want
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| 08:25 | <vlt> ogra: You're right: The clients are 32 bit. I mean will switching to 64 bits on the _server_ bring any advantage?
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| 08:25 | <ogra> no
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| 08:25 | not really
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| 08:26 | apart from causing a lot of trouble with flash (in 6.06 also java) etc
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| 08:27 | the 64bit version really doesnt gain you any speed for the overall system ... only for apps that are actually *writter* for 64bit use ... like apache etc
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| 08:27 | *written
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| 08:27 | <vlt> The ltsp wiki says "64-bit cpus [...] can greatly increase the number of terminals [...]. It's important to make sure you run a 64-bit version of Linux on those servers"
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| 08:27 | ogra: Aah, ok. And running no apache on the ltsp workstation doesn't make any sense in using 64 bit ,ok.
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| 08:28 | <ogra> leat me translate: the 64bit version makes it possible to use more than $Gig of ram in older 2.6 kernels, so you can use more terminals as more ram is availabel
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| 08:28 | *4Gig
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| 08:28 | <vlt> ogra: Ok, got it.
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| 08:29 | <ogra> in newer (k)ubuntu releases thats not true anymore there are various kernel packages that support far more than 4Gig even in 32bit mode
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| 08:29 | <vlt> btw, do newer 2.6 kernels support more than 4 GB of RAM ...
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| 08:29 | <ogra> yes
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| 08:29 | <vlt> ok
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| 08:30 | <ogra> the -server flavour of feisty and gutsy (7.04/7.10) support up to 64G iirc
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| 08:30 | the -generic one ends at 4G though
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| 08:30 | * vlt didn't know that there were 32 bit mainboards supporting more than 4 GB of RAM | |
| 08:35 | <ogra> there are boards that support 8 32bit dual CPUs ... you wouldnt want to run that with only 4Gig :)
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| 08:41 | <vlt> Do you know more apps like apache that will run faster on a 64 bit OS? MySQL? SSL?
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| 08:41 | (OT, I know)
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| 08:49 | <ogra> everything that starts lots for threads will benefit from it
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| 08:49 | so DB servers surely will
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| 08:50 | i know gimp has native 64bit support as well
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| 08:50 | s/for/of/
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| 08:50 | but for the desktop suc apps are very rare
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| 08:51 | 64bit is great if you want ot run a big web server with DB backend etc
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| 08:59 | <vlt> Thank you.
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| 11:05 | <Drakeweb> can anyone tell me how to configure sound in lts.conf?
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| 11:05 | I tried MODULE_01 = "sb.o" but it gave me a fatal error about not finding the modules
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| 11:07 | <johnny> ogra, i checked up on the sound config and it's set to autodetect
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| 12:29 | <moquist> ogra: I just grabbed that ldm .deb; I can try it on Monday.
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| 12:29 | <johnny> moquist, so xterminator goes on the server?
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| 12:30 | <moquist> johnny: yes
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| 12:30 | <MasterOne> oh, moquist is here, did you get my email about xterminator not working any more?
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| 12:30 | * moquist almost has a new xterminator package out the door | |
| 12:31 | <johnny> how almost? :)
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| 12:31 | <moquist> sbalneav reimplemented much more cleanly
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| 12:31 | * moquist has a changelog problem that prevents the package from being built | |
| 12:31 | <johnny> hmm.. stupid firefox ..
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| 12:31 | <MasterOne> sbalneav's package v0.2 didn't work as well
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| 12:32 | <johnny> i hope i solved my issue with it after building a new profile, but now i get bugs with sabayon
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| 12:32 | <moquist> MasterOne: sbalneav packaged xterminator-0.2?
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| 12:33 | or did I package it and forget? Hmm.
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| 12:33 | <MasterOne> yes, it's in the ppd.launchpad repo
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| 12:33 | <moquist> MasterOne: URL?
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| 12:33 | <MasterOne> I think you packaged it, but the changelog said something about sbalneav
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| 12:33 | <moquist> hehe...I totally don't remember this. :)
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| 12:34 | It's probably in my own PPA.
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| 12:34 | <MasterOne> yes, it's in your ppa
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| 12:35 | so you didn't receive my email?
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| 12:35 | <moquist> well look at that!
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| 12:35 | MasterOne: I probably did. Especially if you're Michael Hoelzl.
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| 12:35 | <MasterOne> I told you about it, I tried both versions (v0.1.4 & v0.2), but they are not working on a fresh Edubuntu Gutsy installation
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| 12:36 | <moquist> MasterOne: right. I haven't tested on gutsy yet. Let me do that now.
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| 12:37 | MasterOne: I uploaded that package while I was at UDS, and totally forgot in the fog between then and now.
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| 12:44 | <MasterOne> I am just reinstalling Edubuntu Gutsy, this time 32bit, because the 64bit edition caused just too much troubles
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| 12:45 | xterminator is a pretty much essential workaround, till the LTSP team can solve the issue with either warning about another open session, or better to pull over the running session to the thin client another login is to be done
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| 12:46 | hopefully you can find the issue with v0.2 & gutsy, I already thought, xterminator in not maintained any more
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| 12:47 | <moquist> MasterOne: Nope, it's very definitely maintained for whatever version of Edubuntu I'm running in production. :-D
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| 12:47 | <MasterOne> (no new info, and no files on the xterminator launchpad project page)
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| 12:47 | <moquist> and intended to be maintained for everyone.
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| 12:47 | <johnny> yes.. i think the launchpad browser is broken, or the branch is
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| 12:47 | <MasterOne> good to know
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| 12:47 | so I guess an update will show up in your ppd repo?
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| 12:48 | (I am not subscribed to any mailinglist)
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| 12:48 | <moquist> ppA, not ppD
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| 12:49 | That's why I was confused earlier. :)
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| 12:49 | <MasterOne> :)
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| 12:52 | <johnny> MasterOne, do you get any errors with it ?
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| 12:53 | <MasterOne> no, nothing in syslog
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| 12:53 | <johnny> well i doubt it logs to syslog
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| 12:53 | <MasterOne> just a black screen with mousepointer after login
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| 12:53 | <johnny> so it breaks login
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| 12:53 | ?
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| 12:53 | <moquist> MasterOne: what processes is the user running on the server at that moment?
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| 12:53 | <johnny> but only after there are processes to kill? or not
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| 12:53 | <MasterOne> I can
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| 12:53 | not tell
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| 12:53 | <johnny> if you were to kill the processes manually on the server, and then start up, does it work?
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| 12:54 | ie: if xterminator has nothing to do
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| 12:54 | <MasterOne> the old setup is gone, and I am reinstalling Edubuntu Gutsy 32bit just right now
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| 12:54 | <johnny> well i figured you would have tested that
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| 12:54 | <MasterOne> I gave up on xterminator pretty fast, because I didn't have the time for extensive testing
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| 12:58 | <johnny> it looks like you should be careful with gutsy ltsp in general unless you have that time :)
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| 12:59 | <MasterOne> why? any issues with LTSP5 in gutsy?
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| 12:59 | <johnny> just going by comments i heard in here :)
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| 12:59 | <moquist> We have no gutsy LTSP in production yet. I think we might skip it in favor of migrating to hardy over the next summer.
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| 13:00 | <johnny> like the local devices issue
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| 13:00 | <MasterOne> for a new installation, it surely makes no sense to use any older edubuntu version, would it?
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| 13:00 | <johnny> i also need to fix up ldm to support autologin, but i need a partner to work on that, and he's kinda slackin on getting together with me
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| 13:00 | somewhat
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| 13:01 | it depends, some people want to stick with stable
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| 13:01 | lts
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| 13:01 | <moquist> Also, hardy will have load balancing and local apps.
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| 13:01 | !!!!!
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| 13:01 | <ltspbot> moquist: Error: "!!!!" is not a valid command.
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| 13:01 | <moquist> heh
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| 13:01 | ltspbot: sorry; I got excited.
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| 13:01 | <ltspbot> moquist: Error: "sorry;" is not a valid command.
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| 13:02 | <moquist> *sigh*
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| 13:05 | <MasterOne> as long as it's no hassle to upgrade from gutsy to hardy, I'm looking forward to use LTSP5 on gutsy
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| 13:06 | <johnny> it shouldn't be
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| 13:06 | well no hassle
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| 13:06 | i always have a lil hassle when upgrading ubuntu releases, but nothing i can't figure out within a bit
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| 13:06 | except the fact nm sucks and gconf-editor won't let you delete keys from the interface, which is totally lame\
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| 13:11 | <Drakeweb> does anyone know where I can get some up-to-date documentation on LTSP5, particularly the parameters for lts.conf?
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| 13:11 | <moquist> Drakeweb: have you checked the edubuntu handbook?
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| 13:12 | <Drakeweb> yep - examples but not a comprehensive list of parameters
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| 13:13 | <johnny> lts-parameters is only a lil out of date
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| 13:13 | most of it still works
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| 13:13 | <MasterOne> Drakeweb: the edubuntu handbook, that's available over the gnome help system, not on the edubuntu website, it's not the same
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| 13:13 | <johnny> hmm that's lame
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| 13:14 | i want to read that handbook , but i'm not where my server is installed
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| 13:18 | <Drakeweb> hmmm, i don't appear to have the gnome-help
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| 13:18 | how do i install that?
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| 13:19 | <johnny> plus i don't even have edubuntu
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| 13:19 | just ltsp server on ubuntu
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| 13:22 | <johnny> so you click on help in the menu and nothing happens?
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| 13:23 | <Drakeweb> i don't appear to have a help option on my menu
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| 13:23 | <johnny> odd
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| 13:23 | do you have the program called yelp ?
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| 13:24 | <Drakeweb> pressing F1 on my desktop gives me "Failed to execute child process "gnome-help" (bo such file or directory)
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| 13:27 | <Drakeweb> johnny: cheers! just installed yelp and got the help pages
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| 13:28 | <Drakeweb> noresults for lts.conf or edubuntu however
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| 13:29 | <cliebow> Drakewebdid you post yuor lts.conf for those neos?
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| 13:29 | <Drakeweb> sure! how?
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| 13:29 | <cliebow> oh !pastebot
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| 13:29 | !pastebot
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| 13:29 | <ltspbot> cliebow: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:30 | <cliebow> might help someone else...8~)
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| 13:30 | <johnny> suprised it didn't come with it
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| 13:30 | you prolly have to install the edubuntu docs seperate
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| 13:31 | apt-cache search edubuntu
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| 13:31 | ?
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| 13:31 | <ltsppbot> "Drakeweb" pasted "lts.conf to get xserver working on a NEO 3000/4000 thin client" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/382
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| 13:32 | <cliebow> cool! mind if i put it up on wiki.ltsp.org??
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| 13:32 | <Drakeweb> johnny: I installed the edubuntu server disk, not the ubuntu one
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| 13:32 | cliebow: no problem! I'm still trying to get sound working on it though
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| 13:32 | <johnny> it comes with gnome, but not the docs?
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| 13:32 | that's odd
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| 13:33 | <Drakeweb> johnny: maybe not, with my fannying about I may have deleted them!
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| 13:33 | <cliebow> so a vesa driver did the trick then...
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| 13:33 | <Drakeweb> yes, but only with the 1024 resolution. at 640 I got nothing!
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| 13:33 | now this is with an LCD monitor
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| 13:34 | although it didn't work with a CRT either
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| 13:34 | works beautifully though!
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| 13:34 | might even push the boat out and try bumping it up to 1280
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| 13:34 | <cliebow> yes..i never really had a prob with vesa..some think it is downwardly mobile
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| 13:34 | <Drakeweb> although i only have 4mb of video ram
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| 13:35 | <cliebow> but my whole setup is downwardly mobile so no one knows the diff
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| 13:35 | <Drakeweb> now that it works, i must say i love my eon 4000. I've just bought 6 more for very little money!
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| 13:36 | cliebow: if you have access to the ltsp.org wiki (is that an oxymoron? having access to a wiki?) then i have some more useful info on other thin clients
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| 13:36 | <cliebow> i would not be surprised if soundblaster drivers work on sound..
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| 13:37 | you can set your own account up..
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| 13:37 | <Drakeweb> eg: there is a lovely little machine called an esesix thintune that is tiny and beautifully built. Unfortunately, without the BIOS password (which is hard-coded and not resetable) you can't configure PXE bootimh
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| 13:38 | I managed to track down the new company and extract the PW from them
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| 13:38 | before - a brick, now - a lovely GUI booting thin client!
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| 13:38 | <cliebow> hmmm..dont remember how to do that..
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| 13:39 | oh yeah,.....under registration..i have gobs of stuff there cause it is accessible most anywhewre..
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| 13:39 | <Drakeweb> cliebow: how do i enable the sb drivers in lts.conf?
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| 13:40 | i tried MODULE_01 = sb.o
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| 13:40 | but it didn't like that
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| 13:41 | <cliebow> ummm..i am not real sure...seems once up on a time it was..
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| 13:41 | heck have to look at ltsparamaters.gz in the chroot
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| 13:41 | something like that ..in docs
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| 13:42 | switching os...bbiab
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| 13:51 | <Drakeweb> anyone know how to enable the soundblaster module in lts.conf?
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| 14:17 | <johnny> i doubt you hav tospecify .o
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| 14:17 | especially since they are .ko in 2.6 kernels
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| 14:17 | so it should use modprobe
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| 14:18 | MODULE_01=sb ?
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| 14:20 | <cliebow> s_module?
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| 14:20 | can t remember
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| 14:22 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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| 14:22 | <cliebow> \cd usr/share/doc
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| 14:26 | <cliebow> hmmmm
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| 14:28 | <Drakeweb> lts-parameters.txt.gz is pretty useless
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| 14:28 | no reference to SMODULE or otherwise
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| 14:33 | <johnny> wtf is SMODULE ?
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| 14:33 | i don't think i've ever heard of it
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| 14:33 | do you even know if it exists?
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| 14:33 | no need for an SMODULE parameter i think
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| 14:34 | just MODULE_
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| 14:36 | <Drakeweb> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#lts_conf
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| 14:37 | mentions SMODULE there!
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| 14:38 | <johnny> seems pointless
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| 14:38 | i bet you that was from ltsp 4
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| 14:39 | it's prolly not supported anymore
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| 14:40 | yes.. it says ltsp 4 there
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| 14:41 | i wouldn't trust very much documentation that relates to 4
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| 14:42 | <Drakeweb> exactly. that is why i am looking for documentation on the parameters available for lts.conf
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| 14:42 | i see conflicting information everywhere
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| 14:43 | and just want to know the latest settings
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| 14:43 | but no-one appears to know where they are
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| 14:43 | or if anyone has actually written them down!
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| 14:43 | <johnny> lts-parameters is it
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| 14:43 | what do you see missing ?
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| 14:44 | <Drakeweb> LDM_DIRECTX
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| 14:44 | <johnny> anything else ?
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| 14:45 | <Drakeweb> with this set to true, i get a higher resolution from my client
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| 14:45 | <johnny> sounds like a bug
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| 14:45 | <Drakeweb> yes - what are the sound configuration parameters?
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| 14:45 | <johnny> like?
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| 14:45 | <Drakeweb> I don't know! that's why I'm asking!
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| 14:45 | <johnny> what exactly do you need?
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| 14:45 | that shouldn't be configured in the chroot itself
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| 14:45 | <Drakeweb> to get sound working on my thin client
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| 14:46 | <johnny> is the module loaded?
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| 14:46 | can you run alsamixer ?
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| 14:46 | <Drakeweb> i get an error on boot saying something about a problem with sound
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| 14:46 | <johnny> that's not enough info for sure
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| 14:46 | <Drakeweb> sorry- cant remember exact error, I'm not at the client
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| 14:46 | <johnny> well you won't get a fix without it :)
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| 14:47 | <Drakeweb> it's just before xserver kicks in
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| 14:47 | and too damn fast to read
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| 14:47 | <johnny> well then try to run sound stuff after you login
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| 14:47 | and then you can get an error
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| 14:47 | <Drakeweb> fair point
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| 14:47 | <johnny> and also check dmesg
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| 14:47 | <Drakeweb> i'd still like a list of all available parameters for lts.conf though!
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| 14:48 | <johnny> that has thing has most
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| 14:48 | err that doc has the most up to date
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| 14:48 | i haven't seen a need for any other
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| 14:48 | anything else can be done as configuration in the chroot itself prolly
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| 14:49 | <Drakeweb> ok, well, thanks. I'll check out my client tomorrow as you suggest and report back with any errors.
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| 14:49 | <MasterOne> ok, I am confused now: on Edubuntu Gutsy 64bit I had the flash9-firefox plugin running, but no audio (workaround with libflashsupport did not work), now on Edubuntu Gutsy 32bit I just installed flash-nonefree + libflashsupport, I have no problems on youtube, also get audio just fine, but once I click start on the flashplayer on www.tv.com (right side, actually some bits of the upcoming Heroes episode), firefox crashes with: fire
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| 14:49 | fox-bin: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
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| 14:49 | Aborted (core dumped)
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| 14:50 | I know this is not exactly ltsp related, but can somebody on a thin client & flash9 + libflashsupport test that on www.tv.com?
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| 14:56 | <johnny> i don't have libflashsupport
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| 14:56 | as our PCs have no speakers
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| 14:56 | :)
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| 14:57 | <MasterOne> ok try, without libflashsupport, I think that problem was also there before I installed libflashsupport
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| 14:59 | <johnny> i'm not there
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| 14:59 | won't be til perhaps 11pm EST
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| 14:59 | sadly that's the only time i can really work on it
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| 14:59 | makes it hard to debug issues interactively :)
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| 15:01 | <MasterOne> oh, this is weird!
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| 15:03 | <MasterOne> I just uninstalled libflashsupport, audio is gone on youtube testvideo, but video plays fine, then I went to tv.com and the video played as well without sound, output in console: *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection terminated
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| 15:03 | ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1351:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card
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| 15:04 | then I restarted firefox, and again the same issue (so with libflashsupport uninstalled). as soon as I click start on the flashmovieplayer on tv.com, firefox crashes with: firefox-bin: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
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| 15:05 | I don't know, what this means. looks like random core dump?
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| 15:05 | another restart, and that Heroes clip is playing again (without audio of course)
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| 15:06 | * MasterOne hates that flash crap, but how to live without it... :-( | |
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| 15:33 | <PMantis> Hello! I have an LTSP Term 1000, and a Hans-G HU196D LC monitor capable of 1280x1024, and LTSP-4.2. I've tried a few options in lts.conf , but every time I try to set the resolution, the monitor doesn't recognize it.
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| 15:33 | s/LC/LCD
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| 15:36 | <PMantis> "Input Signal Out Of Range"
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| 16:36 | <cliebow> PMantis:Howdy Partner!!!
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| 18:12 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 18:44 | <PMantis> Hey guys
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| 18:45 | Hello! I have an LTSP Term 1000 connected to a Hans-G HU196D LCD monitor capable of 1280x1024, using LTSP-4.2. I've tried a few options in lts.conf , but every time I try to set the resolution, the monitor says, "Input Signal Out Of Range."
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| 18:46 | * PMantis wrote that at 4:30, too... guess nobody smart was paying attention to their IRC client. :-) | |
| 18:47 | <jammcq> PMantis: you prolly need to specify a Horz or Vert frequency
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| 18:47 | maybe something like: X_HORZSYNC = "31-94"
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| 18:47 | <PMantis> jammcq: Yeah, I tried a modeline calculator based on the stats that I have...
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| 18:48 | <jammcq> Z_VERTREFRESH = "50-85"
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| 18:48 | although those numbers are for a specific monitor that I have
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| 18:48 | <PMantis> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
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| 18:48 | I did this: X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 108.0 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
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| 18:48 | <jammcq> err
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| 18:48 | change that 'Z_VERT...'
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| 18:48 | to 'Z_VERTREFRESH'
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| 18:48 | darnit
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| 18:48 | <PMantis> X?
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| 18:48 | <jammcq> make that: X_VERTREFRESH
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| 18:49 | <PMantis> ok, I'll try that. :)
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| 18:49 | * PMantis thinks jammcq is multitasking too much | |
| 18:57 | <warren> PMantis, Z is totally better than X
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| 19:00 | <PMantis> warren: I think the joke went over my head
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| 19:01 | jammcq: So, specifying the entire modeline is no benefit?
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| 19:01 | <jammcq> don't confuse the modelines with the frequencies
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| 19:01 | both may be required
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| 19:01 | they do different things
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| 19:02 | <PMantis> I thought the modeline was calculated from the resolution and the sync, refresh, etc.
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| 19:02 | <jammcq> it is, but you also may need to specify the vert and horz frequencies
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| 19:03 | <PMantis> Hmm, is it X_HORZSYNC or X_HORIZSYNC (added I)
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| 19:04 | The second matched the XOrg conf file format better.
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| 19:04 | <jammcq> no 'I'
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| 19:05 | <PMantis> hmm ok
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| 19:07 | Got it
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| 19:07 | First few times, it worked ok, but still looked fuzzy, and the screen draw was SLOW
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| 19:08 | Fast updates now. :)
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| 19:08 | jammcq: FYI...
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| 19:08 | X_HORZSYNC = "31-94"
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| 19:08 | X_VERTREFRESH = "50-75"
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| 19:08 | X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 108 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
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| 19:08 | XSERVER = sis
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| 19:09 | * PMantis pastes no more | |
| 19:09 | <PMantis> Of course that's mostly specific to my monitor, but there was low traffic here anyhow. :)
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| 19:20 | <cliebow> X Rocks..
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| 21:31 | <TheProf> Hello. I hope everyone is doing well. In our LTSP lab the students have picked up this bad habit of logging out by killing the X-session using CTRL-ALT-Backspace.
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| 21:31 | I guess I have two questions: 1) I think, but am not sure, that it is harmful. 2) can it be disabled?
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| 21:31 | Thanks
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| 21:31 | <jammcq> there's a 'DontZap' option to the Xserver that will prevent that
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| 21:31 | I forget how to specify it tho
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| 21:32 | <TheProf> jammcq, so i take it that is is a bad thing :)
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| 21:32 | <jammcq> http://element14.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/secure-your-x-window-system/
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| 21:32 | huh?
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| 21:33 | <TheProf> Sorry, that IT is a bad thing.
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| 21:33 | Thank you for the link. Checking it out now.
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| 21:38 | jammcq, cool - I have implemented the change.
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| 21:38 | <jammcq> awesome
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| 21:39 | <TheProf> in order to get all the terminals to read the new conf file, do I have to reboot them?
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| 21:39 | <jammcq> yepper
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| 21:39 | <TheProf> OK
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| 21:40 | might I pick you brain on one more thing: the "last" command now shows everyone as "gone-no logout' even if they have logged out. Does this relate to how LTSP is set up?
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| 21:40 | <jammcq> it's not ltsp
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| 21:40 | it's the display manager, whether it writes entries to utmp/wtmp or not
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| 21:41 | <TheProf> Ah. so it's writing when they log in, but not when they log out.
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| 21:45 | I'll do some hunting online for utmp/wtmp - thanks
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| 21:54 | <underdog5004> hi everyone, I'm doing a test setup for the first time with ltsp, and I'm having a little bit of trouble. I've got my client (thin) booting from an etherboot floppy, but it responds "No IP address". I also have ltspserver on...the server, I guess. It's running ubuntu right now, and I've already done sudo ltsp-build-client...I just can't figure out what to do next...sorry for the extended nature of my post
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| 23:10 | <PMantis> underdog5004: You still on? I'm not that familiar with LTSP 5.0, but I know your problem is with wiring or DHCP. Do you see a link light? Did you install a DHCP server on your network?
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| 23:29 | <BGomes> PMantis: what is your problem?
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| 23:39 | <PMantis> BGomes: My problem was fixed a few hours ago, thanks to my homie
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| 23:39 | <jammcq> PMantis: oh, did that work for you?
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| 23:40 | <PMantis> jammcq: Yeah, though you wouldn't miss my 4-line paste of what worked. :)
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| 23:40 | <jammcq> I saw the paste, but you never said it solved the problem
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| 23:41 | <PMantis> jammcq: So, thanks for pointing me to the options!
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| 23:42 | The first time I used the extra X_* lines, it worked, was a little fuzzy, and the screens drew really slow.
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| 23:42 | So, I played with the options a bit, forced the XServer to sis, included a full modeline, etc.
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| 23:43 | FAST now
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| 23:43 | Sorry if it wasn't obvious that it worked.
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