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Channel log from 6 May 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:45 | <X-TaZ> Someone here working on ltsp-cluster ? stgraber has gone ...
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| 03:29 | <chrisjrob> i need some inspiration! i have some Wyse 9235LE thin clients, which are XPe based. i have used these on our existing etch server and they pxe boot reliably. i am now trying to use them on our new lenny server and pxe is failing with "error pxe-e51 no dhcp or proxy dhcp offers were received". it then goes onto boot XPe fine and duly picks up its dhcp assigned ip.
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| 03:30 | i feel like i have tried every dhcpd.conf setting to try and get them to work, but without joy, and any thoughts would be appreciated!
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| 03:32 | syslog does not show any dhcp request until it has booted XPe.
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| 03:38 | other clients are pxe booting fine, so dhcp and pxe are working.
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| 03:39 | so the obvious is that for some reason dhcpd is not configured to service the pxe request of this particular client, but i have set it up the same as every other client.
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| 03:39 | <sep> it have link when it tries to pxeboot ?
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| 03:40 | and it uses the same interface and configured mac ?
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| 03:40 | <chrisjrob> well when it begins the pxe dhcp if the cable is not connected it fails immediately without reporting its mac address,
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| 03:41 | if the cable is connected it initially reports its mac address, and it is that mac address that i have entered into dhcpd.conf
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| 03:41 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: try with gpxe: do `dhcp net0` and see what dhcp info actually reaches the clients
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| 03:41 | (best logging tool, client side...)
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| 03:42 | * chrisjrob googles gpxe | |
| 03:42 | <alkisg> (formerly etherboot - can be booted from cd / floppy / hd)
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| 03:42 | <ogra> chrisjrob, i heard that the newer syslinux has probs with some clients that do not respect the standard to 100%
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| 03:42 | <chrisjrob> ah yes the old etherboot site. hmm, have to get that onto a usb stick
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| 03:43 | <ogra> you might need to use the old pxelinux stuff from etch for them
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| 03:43 | <alkisg> ogra, "no offers received" is before pxelinux is loaded, right?
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| 03:44 | (goodday all btw)
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| 03:44 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: yes
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| 03:44 | <ogra> yeah, thats the client
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| 03:44 | <chrisjrob> ogra: some of my newer pcs have also struggled, leading me to use gpxe instead
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| 03:45 | so i suspect you have hit the nail on the head
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| 03:45 | what do i need to copy across from my etch server do you think, just the elements from /var/lib/tftpboot?
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| 03:46 | <alkisg> Ehm, pxelinux is used *after* the client gets a dhcp lease. Isn't the problem before this?
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| 03:46 | I.e. client not getting a dhcp lease at all?
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| 03:46 | <chrisjrob> yes alkisg, you're right.
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| 03:47 | unless it is getting the lease, but not logging it.
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| 03:47 | <alkisg> So all you can fix at this point is dhcpd.conf (or cabling/switches etc)
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| 03:48 | <chrisjrob> cabling is fine, i am in my office, and i have had countless clients working fine, and indeed this one works in XPe. i am plugged into the same switch as the server.
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| 03:49 | * chrisjrob looks at his dhcpd.conf for the hundredth time | |
| 03:49 | <alkisg> OK, then dhcpd.conf and dhcp3-server...
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| 03:49 | E.g. maybe this client doesn't receive a boot filename
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| 03:50 | chrisjrob: upload your dhcpd.conf to pastebin if you want so that we can have a look...
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| 03:50 | <chrisjrob> that's kind alkisg, I will, maybe i'm missing something obvious!
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| 03:52 | <ogra> do you see the dhcp request in the logs if you boot the client that doesnt work ?
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| 03:54 | <ltsppbot> "chrisjrob" pasted "dhcpd.conf - the offender is host ws060" (108 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/320
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| 03:55 | <chrisjrob> i have tried commenting out all the if/elsif/else statement to just leave filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 03:56 | i've even put that under the host declaration.
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| 03:56 | <alkisg> Ah, another possibility of something going wrong is if you have a router somewhere that also offers dhcp leases
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| 03:57 | <chrisjrob> don't believe so, but i'll try stopping dhcpd and rebooting the client, see if it gets an address from somewhere else.
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| 04:04 | no, it hasn't obtained an ip address, so i don't believe there is another dhcp server on the network.
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| 04:08 | <alkisg> Try with gpxe to see what options actually reach the client
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| 04:09 | Then compare that with what you get if you connect it to the previous etch server.
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| 04:11 | <chrisjrob> that's going to be tricky, as it doesn't have an optical drive, nor floppy, nor any obvious way of getting into the bios
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| 04:11 | <alkisg> Doesn't it have an hd?
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| 04:11 | Put it in boot.ini...
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| 04:12 | (I assume Windows XPe are similar to XP?)
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| 04:12 | <chrisjrob> it has a flash drive i suppose, yes XPe is very similar to XP afaik.
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| 04:13 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/grubgpxe#Boot%20from%20a%20Windows%20NT/2000/XP/2003%20partition
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| 04:13 | See there for how to put it in boot.ini ^^^
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| 04:15 | <chrisjrob> thanks alkisg.
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| 04:25 | <alkisg> (you may even use this boot.ini/grub4dos/gpxe combination as a permanent solution for this particular pc ;))
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| 04:44 | <chrisjrob> hmm, there isn't a C:\boot.ini file :(
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| 04:45 | <alkisg> Uh, unless it's hidden, I don't know what XPe uses
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| 04:53 | <chrisjrob> not only was it hidden, but it was also "protected", so even showing hidden files failed to show it.
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| 05:08 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: that's what this line was for, in the tutorial link I gave you above: attrib -r -s -h C:\boot.ini
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| 05:08 | It unhides/unprotect the file...
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| 05:12 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: attrib isn't available in XPe, but it doesn't seem to be stopping me so far
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| 05:13 | should the GRUB4DOS line go under the [boot loader] section, or at the end as stated which is in the [operating systems] section?
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| 05:14 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: could you upload your boot.ini contents to pastebin, because it's been a long time since I used XP?
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| 05:15 | Usually it's at the end of the file
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| 05:16 | chrisjrob: ok, I saw an example boot.ini at google, it's at the end of file, at the [operating systems] stanza
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| 05:17 | <ltsppbot> "chrisjrob" pasted "Win XPe boot.ini" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/321
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| 05:18 | "alkisg" pasted "chrisjrob new boot.ini" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/322
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| 05:18 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: try this one ^^^ because I'm not sure if your system partition is C: or D:...
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| 05:19 | Ah, and set timeout=10
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| 05:19 | Not 0
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| 05:19 | <chrisjrob> thanks alkisg, it's on C and rebooting as we speak.
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| 05:19 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: It's not necessarily on C:
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| 05:20 | The boot manager may see different drive letters than windows
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| 05:20 | Windows keeps the drive letter mapping in the registry, so it may use different values...
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| 05:21 | (I'm worried about "2" in default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS)
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| 05:21 | (but if it's also active then you should have a problem...)
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| 05:22 | <chrisjrob> well it didn't work, but I was already rebooting when you pasted the new boot.ini - so i'll make the changes you suggested,
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| 05:24 | there seems to only be a C: and a Z: the latter being the ramdrive for working files (lost on reboot) doubt there's anything bootable on that.
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| 05:25 | i'll increase the timeout and reboot
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| 05:25 | <alkisg> Don't count on windows drive letters, these are assigned later on at the boot process
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| 05:25 | With timeout=0 it'll always boot windows - never grub4dos
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| 05:27 | <chrisjrob> any reason why i can't refer to it as: multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\grldr ?
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| 05:27 | <alkisg> Try it, I don't remember if arc paths are supported
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| 05:28 | <chrisjrob> well that's how they're referring to the Windows directory...
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| 05:28 | default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
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| 05:28 | <alkisg> Yes but that's for a different boot method
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| 05:28 | <chrisjrob> Ah.
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| 05:30 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: do you see the entry in the boot manager, and it fails to load, or you don't see it at all?
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| 05:39 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: sorry - every reboot takes a good 5 mins or more. yes i did see the entry in the boot manager, but it failed to boot it, with an error which make it clear that the disk was wrong.
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| 05:39 | <chrisjrob> so i'm now adding the D:\grldr line.
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: you may try them all at once, i.e. put an entry for C:, one for D:, and one for the arc path all at the same time
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| 05:43 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: too late ;). D fails with missing or corrupt system32\hal.dll
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> Hmmm?
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| 05:44 | And what was the error message for C:\grldr?
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| 05:46 | <chrisjrob> can't remember, but it seemed obvious at the time that it was the wrong drive - and i criticise my users for not writing down error messages.
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| 05:46 | <alkisg> (just wondering if it was an ntldr message or a grldr message...)
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| 05:46 | <chrisjrob> i'll let you know in 2 mins
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| 05:46 | <alkisg> So far it looks like grldr was never loaded.
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| 05:47 | <chrisjrob> Error for C: Try (fd0): invalid or null. Error: Cannot find grldr in all drives. Press Ctrl+alt+del to restart.
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| 05:52 | Error for D: Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt: <Windows root>\system32\hal.dll. Please re-install a copy of the above file.
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| 06:00 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: ok, then grldr tries to load but cannot locate itself because of weird drive settings
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| 06:01 | Sorry, can't help, I've never seen XPe.
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| 06:01 | <ltsppbot> "chrisjob" pasted "alkisg" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/323
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| 06:01 | <alkisg> If it supports booting from usb you may give it a shot from there
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| 06:02 | C:\grldr="GRUB4DOS boot loader (C)" was the correct one, but grldr couldn't take it from there
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| 06:08 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: well thanks anyway for all your time, back to trying to get it to pxe boot. it won't usb boot - tried that first.
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| 07:46 | <runout> hi, i found an old irc log, >1 year old, about X_DPMS
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| 07:46 | some thing new? can't get it to work
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| 07:47 | ubuntu jaunty, ltsp 5
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| 07:47 | i like to prevent screen blanking on the clients
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| 07:49 | <runout> on kiosks it's really bad they go black every some minutes
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| 07:49 | people think they are dead
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| 07:56 | <POloser> :)
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| 08:04 | <Drakonen> runout: think you'll have to configure the power manager
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| 08:05 | defaults for me are, turn of screen in 40 mins, turn on screensaver in 10, default is blanking for me
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| 08:06 | so you might wanna change the default screensaver :)
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| 08:08 | <runout> i don't use any screensaver
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| 08:08 | the only app running is opera. it's a real kiosk only for browsing
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| 08:09 | <Drakonen> runout: is it running gnome?
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| 08:10 | more info pls what you did :)
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| 08:10 | <runout> gdm,
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| 08:10 | in the .xsession script i start
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| 08:10 | opera in kiosk mode
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| 08:10 | and metacity
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| 08:11 | <Drakonen> ok, so configure your gnome screensaver properly :)
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| 08:11 | <runout> thats not installed
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| 08:13 | <Drakonen> how did you install ubuntu / ltsp?
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| 08:13 | <runout> just as usual, but i uninstalled the screensaver by hand
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| 08:14 | <Drakonen> ok
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| 08:14 | then i dont know
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| 08:14 | <runout> also i couldn't find good info about configuring it
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| 08:18 | i think the problem is not the screensaver. maybe it's X. lokks like ltsp5 is ignoring the X_DPMS option in the lts.conf
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| 08:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: ping
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| 08:30 | <X-TaZ> waiting for stgraber too, _UsUrPeR_ :)
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| 08:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> x-taz: ahh.
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| 08:34 | * _UsUrPeR_ gets in the queuue in front of the stgraber help window | |
| 08:34 | <X-TaZ> Haha
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| 08:34 | there is too few help for his ltsp-cluster :x
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| 08:36 | <ogra> not enough users ... get some more for it :)
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| 08:39 | <X-TaZ> I'm currently writing french tutorials for ltsp and ltsp-cluster (once i'll get ltsp-cluster working ) Its a schoolwork
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| 08:39 | I think it will be usefull tu concentrate in one document all the help i got :)
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| 08:40 | * ogra wonders if the UbuntuLTSP wiki doesnt already have something on the cluster stuff | |
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| 08:41 | <X-TaZ> ogra, "cluster" did not match on UbuntuLTSP :x
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| 08:42 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, why don't you just ask what you want to know? may be stgraber will see that and reply whenever he is online
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| 08:43 | <X-TaZ> I already spoken to him yesterday. He told me to use a file that is no more on the launchpad website
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| 08:43 | it is control-center.config
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| 08:44 | <cyberorg> not in ltsp-cluster bzr tree?
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| 08:45 | <X-TaZ> bzr ?
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| 08:45 | bazaar
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| 08:45 | I searched for a while, it doesnt look to still be in it
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| 08:45 | <cyberorg> it is in ./ltsp-cluster-control/scripts/control-center.config
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| 08:45 | <ogra> https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster
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| 08:46 | that has some documentation
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| 08:46 | <X-TaZ> A read all this many times
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| 08:46 | :)
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| 08:46 | Where did you find ./ltsp-cluster-control/scripts/control-center.config ?
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| 08:46 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-cluster-team/ltsp-cluster/ltsp-cluster-control
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| 08:47 | <ogra> hmm, looks like stephane should do some cleanup :) https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster/gbgnqlgxzowvhctjtrviaunkifplwq
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| 08:48 | <X-TaZ> ty
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| 08:48 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, you are right it seems to be removed now "-D scripts/control-center.config"
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| 08:49 | <X-TaZ> He gave me this link some days ago : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eltsp-cluster-team/ltsp-cluster/ltsp-cluster-control/download/head%3A/controlcenter.config-20090118065910-j5inpmeqapsuuepd-2/control-center.config
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| 08:50 | <cyberorg> http://prime.cyberorg.co.in/control-center.config is what it was before it got removed
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| 08:51 | <X-TaZ> Maybe you could help me on another problem I have. Its in the OpenVZ tutorial for ltsp-cluster. I made this ( on 5 servers ). I can't find what to do in the file when its asked to do : Set the IP address in /etc/ltsp/lbaconfig.xml ("echo 192.168.0.5" instead of using hostname to get it)
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| 08:51 | ty for the file :)
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| 08:51 | <cyberorg> my webserver does not like .config http://prime.cyberorg.co.in/control-center.config.txt
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| 08:52 | <X-TaZ> hehe just saw it
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| 08:53 | <treyh> this rpm claims to have a copy of it
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| 08:53 | http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/6/idpl/12032431
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| 08:53 | <X-TaZ> In the lbaconfig.xml i can't find witch "hostname" occurency i have to modify by 192.168.0.5 :x
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| 08:53 | <cyberorg> treyh, that is what we got on suse, haven't updated them for a while
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| 08:56 | X-TaZ, there is only one
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| 08:58 | <X-TaZ> k so i replace <constant name="HOSTNAME"> with <constant name="192.168.0.5"> ? What does he mean with "echo ?
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| 08:59 | <cyberorg> i guess it would be <command>echo 192.168...
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| 09:00 | may be you could leave HOSTNAME alone and add 192 line, wild guess
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| 09:00 | <treyh> or maybe he just means to use the ip instead of hostname
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| 09:01 | <cyberorg> add new <constant name ="192... section
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| 09:01 | treyh, yup, or just replace <command>hostname</command> with <command>echo yourIP</command>
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| 09:02 | <treyh> yea, thats kinda like me saying yesterday I'm trying to convert my wife to ubuntu
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| 09:02 | and Gadi said, convert her to a distribution
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| 09:02 | could mean more than one thing
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| 09:02 | <X-TaZ> Heh its not very precise
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| 09:08 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, may be it is precise, it is just lost in chinese whisper ;)
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| 09:08 | <X-TaZ> Haha
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| 09:09 | <cyberorg> treyh, what gadi really meant was to give your wife this DVD http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live ;)
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| 09:14 | <treyh> lol
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| 09:15 | she doesn't like ubuntu, because "it's brown" lol
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| 09:15 | <cyberorg> i am sure she likes green :)
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| 09:15 | <treyh> lol
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| 09:15 | i gave up, she's stuck on vista right now
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| 09:16 | but when problems come up, I pretend to not know how to fix them because it's vista and no one is using it anymore lol
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| 11:30 | <chrisjrob> i've set up sound on my debian lenny ltsp5 server, but the old 4.2 method of adjusting volume by lts.conf doesn't seem to be working, before i spend to long troubleshooting this, i wonder whether anyone could confirm how you would normally set volume in ltsp 5? is it still via lts.conf VOLUME=90 etc?
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> it is, though it might not be working in lenny. i haven't tested that version in a while.
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| 11:31 | <chrisjrob> thanks vagrantc, i'll investigate, i think i have a script to fix if not.
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> i hate to say it, with lenny released just 2 months ago, but there's ltsp backports available for lenny :)
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| 11:33 | <chrisjrob> lol, excellent - i'll take a look.
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> chrisjrob: check out http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto for info
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| 11:34 | <chrisjrob> vagrantc: is it stable enough for production use would you say?
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| 11:34 | <NeonLicht> I'm running it for a few weeks already and it works wonderfully
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| 11:35 | <chrisjrob> yay, good news indeed. i suppose i ought to know where the change log is...?
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> chrisjrob: pretty stable, though i update the packages fairly regularly. so the versions change a fair bit, and that may introduce more frequent changes.
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> but haven't seen any significant bugs, and they fix a lot of issues present in the versions released with debian lenny
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| 11:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> man, of course I ask a question and not 3 seconds later a netsplit :P
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| 11:53 | <treyh> anyone else used Jaunty with ltsp?
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| 11:54 | UsUrPeR: you around?
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| 12:01 | <alkisg> treyh: yeah, why don't you just ask?
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| 12:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> treyh: wat?
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| 12:28 | <treyh> I was going to talk to you about your question about lts.conf
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| 12:29 | I just installed jaunty, but not having any luck booting the client
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| 12:32 | <runout> i upgraded from intrepid. no problem. just the same issues as before
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| 12:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> treyh: oh, ok. Lay it on me
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| 12:35 | I should be able to help at least a little. I have been testing on Jaunty today
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| 12:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> treh_: go for it
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| 12:47 | <treyh> !Doc
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| 12:47 | <ltspbot> treyh: Error: "Doc" is not a valid command.
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| 12:47 | <treyh> lol
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| 12:47 | !doc
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| 12:47 | <ltspbot> treyh: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
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| 12:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> treyh: hey
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| 12:47 | <treyh> hey
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| 12:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> what's up?
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| 12:47 | pertaining to lts.conf
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| 12:47 | <treyh> so you said you modified lts.conf for a default and then also mac specific but it didn't work?
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| 12:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> correct. It's still using the [DEFAULT] settings
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| 12:48 | <treyh> do the default settings work?
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| 12:48 | paste that config file here
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| 12:50 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "current LTS.conf" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/324
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| 12:51 | <treyh> ok what is it not doing?
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| 12:51 | well better yet, what is it doing
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| 12:51 | booting to the shell everytime?
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| 12:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'm using the default as a control in this test to make sure it's booting to the MAC address. My client, with that mac address, is booting to shell
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| 12:51 | when it should be booting to ldm
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| 12:51 | <treyh> take out screen_02 = shell
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| 12:52 | <treyh> on the mac specific entry
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| 12:52 | then the only option will be ldm
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| 12:52 | I think it goes in order on the screens, as to what it chooses first
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| 12:52 | I think, but I may be wrong
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| 12:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> in openSUSE, you would be correct
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| 12:53 | <treyh> is that what you're using?
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| 12:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> using ubuntu 9.04
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| 12:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> in ubuntu, that is not the case. SCREEN_02 = shell would mean that CTRL+ALT+F2 would go to root shell
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| 12:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> while SCREEN_07 = ldm would boot client directly to the login screen
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| 12:54 | <treyh> did you try taking it out?
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| 12:54 | * _UsUrPeR_ is trying now | |
| 12:54 | <treyh> i just got mine working
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| 12:54 | i can test with the same config to see what it does
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| 12:54 | in a couple minutes
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| 12:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> what clients are you using at the moment?
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| 12:55 | <treyh> on this test setup just trying out an old p3 lol
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| 12:56 | stand desktop pc
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| 12:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh
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| 12:56 | <treyh> using rdesktop to redirect to TS
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| 12:57 | did that work?
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| 12:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> unfortunately, no
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| 12:57 | <treyh> hmmm
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| 12:58 | maybe it's a jaunty bug
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| 12:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'll give it another go in a moment...
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| 12:59 | <treyh> did you try ltsp-update-image , shouldn't matter but
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| 12:59 | ya neverk now
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| 12:59 | I had to do that when I disabled sound in lts.conf
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| 13:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> k, got it
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| 13:01 | <treyh> it worked?
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| 13:01 | * _UsUrPeR_ is embarrassed. | |
| 13:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> using wrong MAC >_<
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| 13:01 | <treyh> LOL nice
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| 13:01 | at least you found the solution
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| 13:01 | <runout> i was just about to ask you if you double checked the mac... lol
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| 13:03 | <runout> if i change a value in lts.conf, do i have to update the image then?
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> No
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| 13:05 | <runout> ok, i was wondering about that.
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| 13:07 | <treyh> ogra told me that if you disable sound in lts.conf that you have to
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| 13:07 | <runout> is there a way to tell the xserver not to use dpms? X_DPMS=False does not work.
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> if any SCREEN_* is specified, then it doesn't use the defaults (typically ldm)
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| 13:08 | _UsUrPeR_, treyh : ^^
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| 13:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> vagrantc: yeah, that's why screen_07 = ldm ;)
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| 13:09 | I got it. Case of me transposing numbers in a MAC
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> that'll do it.
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| 13:12 | <treyh> Hi LNS
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| 13:12 | <Lns> hey treyh
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| 13:13 | <treyh> My Jaunty install, after install ltspfs, works with cdroms and usb sticks
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| 13:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> treyh: did you originally install ltsp with the alternate CD, or did you install normal ubuntu and apt-get afterwards?
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| 13:15 | <treyh> apt-get afterwards
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| 13:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok
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| 13:16 | <treyh> and i'm putting together a guide that I'm going to put on my site
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| 13:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> speaking of which: where do I put in a bug for the alternate CDs?
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| 13:16 | <treyh> your cdrom/usb stick redirection not working?
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| 13:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> negative.
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| 13:17 | if you had used the alternate install, ltspfs would have been installed already
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| 13:17 | <treyh> oh so thats not your problem?
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| 13:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> it has to do with the dhcpd.conf on the alternate install CD
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| 13:22 | it's not congruent with the automatically assigned IP address when the system is set up
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| 13:25 | <treyh> fun
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| 13:25 | didn't intrepid have the same problem?
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| 13:30 | my resktop command is putting "root" as the username on TS
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| 13:30 | I'd like it to be blank
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| 13:30 | tried using just -u
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| 13:30 | but comes up and shows -f lol
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| 13:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> treyh: yeah, intrepid did have the same problem
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| 13:43 | <treyh> yea thats why i didn't use the live c
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| 13:43 | *live cd
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| 13:45 | i mean the alternate cd
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| 13:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> as far as I can tell, that's the only bug I have seen\
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| 13:48 | treyh: pm
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| 13:49 | <treyh> pm?
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| 13:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have sent you a private message
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| 13:50 | <treyh> i'm using irssi not sure if it supports pm's
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| 13:50 | what irc client do you use
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| 13:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh :P
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| 13:51 | XChat
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| 13:51 | <treyh> sec i'll install it
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| 13:51 | been looking for something better
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| 13:52 | brb
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| 13:54 | <treyh> ok back
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| 13:55 | <treyh_> hey
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| 13:55 | <treyh> ok so how do i check a pm
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| 13:56 | i think i got it
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| 13:56 | <treyh> sup jhail
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| 13:57 | <jhaig|home> Hello
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| 13:59 | I have a newly set up ltsp on Ubuntu 9.04. I have booted up a client on a machine for the first time and it is at the console login prompt. Every so often it appears to try to start a graphical login but fails (screen goes blank but then returns to the console). Also, I cannot log in. How can I find what the problem is?
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| 14:00 | I am fairly new to this but I have managed to get a client running on a different machine as well as a virtual machine.
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| 14:01 | <treyh> video driver issue
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| 14:01 | what kind of video card?
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> treyh: rdesktop -u ''
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| 14:01 | <treyh> tried that
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> Try also with a space, rdesktop -u ' '
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| 14:02 | Not sure which of the two did the trick, it's been a while...
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| 14:02 | <jhaig|home> I'm not sure what video card it is. As I cannot log in I will probably need to reboot to find what it is. Hold on.
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| 14:02 | <treyh> when I did -u '' it put '' as the username lol
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> Maybe you double quoted it in lts.conf?
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| 14:03 | <treyh> let me check lts.conf
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| 14:03 | yea thats what it was
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| 14:03 | doubled quoted it
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| 14:03 | cahnged it to RDP_OPTIONS = -u "" -a 16 -r sound:local:alsa -r disk:drives=/media/root
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| 14:03 | before it was
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| 14:04 | <jhaig|home> The video card is almost certainly ancient, though.
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| 14:04 | <treyh> RDP_OPTIONS = "-u '' -a 16 -r sound:local:alsa -r disk:drives=/media/root"
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| 14:05 | what did the pc have on it before
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| 14:05 | windows 2000, xp?
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| 14:10 | another thing you could do jhaig is try another client
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| 14:10 | that has different hardware
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> jhaig|home: you could also try putting XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf to get you started
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| 14:11 | <jhaig|home> It works on another client (as it happens, one that I don't want to use as a client).
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| 14:11 | alkisg: Thanks, I'll have a look
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| 14:12 | <treyh> how do you respond to someone?
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> You mean in pm?
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| 14:12 | <treyh> test
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| 14:12 | well
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| 14:12 | it shows up here as
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| 14:12 | alkisg: thanks, I'll have a look
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| 14:13 | sent by jhaig
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| 14:13 | how did you do that so they know you responded to them
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> If you mention someone's name, he hears a beep... it that what you're talking about?
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| 14:13 | <jhaig|home> I have no file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf. Is that the correct place for the file?
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> treyh: and there's also autocompletion of names with the tab character
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| 14:14 | <treyh> oh so you're just typing it in to respond
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> jhaig|home: no, create a new file in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 14:14 | treyh: yeap
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| 14:14 | <treyh> alkisg: cool
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> jhaig|home: and put these two lines in it (just for testing - you'll have to modify them later on)
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| 14:14 | [Default]
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| 14:14 | XSERVER=vesa
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| 14:14 | <jhaig|home> OK, done that and rebooting (the client)
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| 14:15 | I assume I will be able to have different setting for different clients (by MAC address, perhaps?)
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> Yes, mac, ip, dns name etc
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| 14:20 | <jhaig|home> It looks like it has worked, and it has let me log in. Thanks.
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> jhaig|home: now you may open a terminal, and run this inside: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 14:21 | A local xterm will be opened
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| 14:21 | So you can run lspci inside to see the card you have
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| 14:23 | <jhaig|home> S3 Inc. ViRGE/DX - Is this the information I need? There is a lot more output.
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> Yes... but... I don't know why the S3 driver would do this. You'll have to see the local xorg logs... if you want to do this now, try removing XSERVER=vesa from lts.conf and adding SCREEN_02=shell to get a real terminal.
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| 14:27 | <jhaig|home> Is # used for comments in the lts.conf file?
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 14:32 | <jhaig|home> OK, it has booted up with a shell on the second console.
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> Try X -configure for a start
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| 14:36 | The xorg.conf should be generated in /root, and the logs should be in /var/log/Xorg.*.log
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| 14:37 | <jhaig|home> I've done that, and then "X -configure /xorg.conf.new" and the screen went blank. Going back to the console, it seems to be OK.
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| 14:38 | That log file has a few warnings but no errors.
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> Hmmm.... also try: `X -retro` and see if another log file is generated
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| 14:41 | <jhaig|home> This time there is a fatal error - "Cannot run in framebuffer mode" at the end of the log file.
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> I don't know if/how you can fix this. You may scp the xorg.conf and xorg.log to your server and upload it to pastebin in case someone want to look at them and may help you.
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| 14:43 | !pastebot
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| 14:43 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:45 | <ltsppbot> "jhaig|home" pasted "Output from X -retro" (219 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/325
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| 14:47 | <jhaig|home> Just thought - when I had it working with the vesa XSERVER, the mouse wasn't working. It is a serial mouse and I remember in the past having problems with X that came down to being an issue with the mouse.
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> There are some lts.conf options for serial mice
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| 14:48 | !docs
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| 14:48 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 14:51 | <jhaig|home> Right, trying with an X_MOUSE_DEVICE set. Is there a quick way to reboot a client? This is an old machine and the bios will not let me skip the memory test, which takes as much time as the rest of the boot.
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> jhaig|home: it would be easier to test with a ps2 or usb mouse, if you have one nearby... :)
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| 14:55 | <jhaig|home> That's true. I'll see if I can find one.
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| 14:56 | <runout> screen blanking problem still not solved. but its late here. cu
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| 14:58 | <jhaig|home> I've got a usb mouse and a ps2 adaptor. Trying it in the ps2 first.
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| 15:07 | <jhaig|home> So now, with a ps2 mouse and XSERVER=vesa, it starts X and has a working mouse. However, without XSERVER=vesa, it still doesn't work. (Just rebooting now to check again)
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> OK. I've no idea what you can do to fix the "Cannot run in framebuffer mode" problem. :(
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| 15:10 | <jhaig|home> Thanks for the help. I'll try prodding it a bit more.
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| 15:11 | If the worst comes to the worst, at least I can use XSERVER=vesa.
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> ...and I think you'll be able to use the serial mouse, if you really have to :)
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| 15:12 | <jhaig|home> 'really have to' = it would be lying around doing nothing otherwise.
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| 15:19 | XSERVER=s3virge in lts.conf works, so for some reason it appears that the problem is that it is not probing it properly.
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| 15:40 | <wkrasko_> Can anyone here help me with LTSP/NAT/Firefox as local app? I'm going on 14 hours at this! Oh, and hello everyone. :)
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| 15:43 | I get an internet connection running firefox from server, but not running as local app. I used Ubuntu 9.04 . This is supposed to fix the issue: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientHowtoNAT but I still get no connection after doing all that.
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> wkrasko_: so, the pings work, but firefox doesn't?
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| 15:49 | <wkrasko_> no, if I do ltsp-localapps xterm and ping www.ubuntu.com from a thin client, I get unknown host
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> wkrasko_: what's in /etc/resolv.conf ?
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| 15:51 | <wkrasko_> search umLtsp
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| 15:51 | nameserver 192.168.0.1
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> can you ping 192.168.0.1 from the thin client?
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| 15:52 | <wkrasko_> eth0 is 192.168.1.3, Firewall/Gateway is 192.168.1.168 (Cisco ASA 5505) and eth1 (thin clients) is 192.168.0.1
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| 15:52 | I'll try, just a sec.
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| 15:52 | From locally run terminal or server run terminal?
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> ltsp-localapp xterm
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| 15:52 | er, ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 15:52 | <wkrasko_> Yes, ping worked fine
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| 15:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> wrasko_: how did you install ltsp?
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| 15:53 | <vagrantc> wkrasko_: so, your server has two network cards, one with 192.168.0.1, and one with 192.168.1.3 ?
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| 15:53 | <wkrasko_> I've also tried with 192.168.1.168 in resolv.conf
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> wkrasko_: "route -n" from the thin client (if it's longer than two lines, please use the pastebot)
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| 15:54 | <wkrasko_> Yes, .1.3 is eth0 going out to firewall->internet, and eth1 is 0.1 going to switch and then to thin clients. i installed from the 9.04 alternative cd.
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> !pastebot
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| 15:54 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:58 | <ltsppbot> "wkrasko" pasted "/sbin/route -n from ltsp-localapps xterm (on thin client)" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/326
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| 15:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> wrasko_: could you post your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
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| 15:59 | on the server
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| 16:00 | <ltsppbot> "wkrasko" pasted "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/327
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> wkrasko_: can you ping 192.168.1.168 from the thin client?
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| 16:01 | <ltsppbot> "wkrasko" pasted "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/328
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| 16:02 | <wkrasko_> Yep, I can ping 192.168.1.168 as well.
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> wkrasko_: from the xterm run via localapps?
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| 16:04 | <wkrasko_> Yes
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> wkrasko_, try: dig @192.168.0.1 www.google.com
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| 16:05 | (that's your dns server, isn't it?)
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| 16:05 | (you may have to install dig)
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| 16:05 | (temporarily, in the local xterm)
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> wkrasko_: was that just a typo that you pasted /var/lib/tftpboot... but the content looks like /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ... ?
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| 16:06 | <wkrasko_> No, that was the last thing I tried was 192.168.0.1. Our dns servers are 66.7.224.17 & 15 stored in the firewall/router (192.168.1.168). I've tried using 192.168.1.168 as the dns server as well though. Should I try using one of the actual dns servers?
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> wkrasko_: does the firewall use the 192.168.0.* addresses directly?
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| 16:07 | wkrasko_: also try pinging one of those DNS servers...
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| 16:07 | <wkrasko_> No, firewall/router is 192.168.1.168, ltsp server is 192.168.1.3, then the second nic/thin clients are 192.168.0.x
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> wkrasko_: just making sure the firewall/router isn't NATted with the same ip addresses on the other end... is it a DSL or cable modem?
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| 16:09 | <wkrasko_> T1's. The firewall goes into an Adtran Netvanta 4305 from our ISP that has 2 T1's going into it.
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| 16:10 | I get no reply when I ping the actual dns (66.7.224.17) from thin client->ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 16:11 | <vagrantc> wkrasko_: do you have any rules on the firewall that would block traffic from unknown ip ranges?
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| 16:11 | though if it's NATted... that shouldn't matter.
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| 16:12 | <alkisg> Maybe it doesn't reply to pings at all
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> that's what i was just guessing...
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| 16:12 | <alkisg> (i.e. wkrasko_ can you ping your dns servers from your ltsp-server?)
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| 16:13 | <wkrasko_> Not sure, we had someone else set up the firewall and as far as I know it's pretty much the defaults for a Cisco ASA. I saw something about having to put a static route in your firewall, but the guy who wrote the NAT how to said you shouldn't need that with NAT just as you say.
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| 16:13 | Ok, no. I get no reply when I ping the dns servers from the ltsp server either.
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> some servers refuse pings to prevent DoS attacks...
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| 16:14 | wkrasko_: can you ping 209.85.171.100 from the server and from the thin client?
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> Try using dig/host from a client to see if you can reach the dns server.
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| 16:14 | <wkrasko_> Actually, it looks like my firewall must be blocking pings. I can't get a reply from any address even from the server where I have a connection
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| 16:24 | <wkrasko_> Success! I must have been following the guides to closely as they all set DNS_SERVER in lts.conf to the router's ip. I just set it to 66.7.224.17 as guys mentioned, reboote the thin client, and it works!
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| 16:24 | Thanks so much everyone, now I can sleep. ;)
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> wkrasko_: glad to hear it
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| 16:31 | wkrasko_: though it might be better to set it to you're firewall, if it's got a DNS proxy running on it, just in case your ISPs DNS changes.
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| 16:32 | wkrasko_: or install dnsmasq on your ltsp server and point to it
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| 21:18 | <zlirp> When running an LTSP setup, does most of the processing occur on the server, or is it possible to move some of that execution overhead to the clients?
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| 21:21 | No?
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| 21:26 | <epsas> it is almost all on the server
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| 21:26 | there has been talk of ltsp mosix / etc...
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| 21:26 | but i don't know about how that is moving
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| 21:42 | <zlirp> Yeah, I'm reading some "fat-client" tutorials here that look promising.
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| 21:42 | <pmatulis> zlirp: you can set up applications to run on the client. i've done it recently with Ubuntu
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| 21:43 | <zlirp> Do you have to mess around per-client?
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| 21:43 | <pmatulis> zlirp: no, you can set a global option
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| 21:43 | <zlirp> The fat client tutorials are exactly what I'm talking about as I'd like to be able to run high overhead apps (WINE) on the clients.
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| 21:44 | <pmatulis> zlirp: geez, you must have pretty powerful clients to run wine
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| 21:44 | <zlirp> ?
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| 21:44 | I'm not sure I understand what you mean?
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| 21:44 | They're all P4 PCs.
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| 21:44 | <pmatulis> zlirp: there you go
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| 21:44 | <zlirp> The problem is that I want to be able to manage them centrally.
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| 21:45 | Or be able to replace them when they fail with little to no effort (reconfigure a MAC ID)
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| 21:45 | <pmatulis> zlirp: what OS are you running?
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| 21:45 | <zlirp> all machines will run ubuntu
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| 21:46 | <pmatulis> zlirp: k, with 9.04 you can set it up easily
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| 21:46 | zlirp: i just did it with firefox
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| 21:46 | <zlirp> So is there a process per-application?
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| 21:47 | sorry -
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| 21:47 | that wording is a bit ambiguous
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| 21:47 | <pmatulis> zlirp: well you need to install it :)
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| 21:47 | <zlirp> Well, yeah :D
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| 21:47 | But I really don't want to have to do a song and dance AFTER installing each app.
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| 21:47 | I'd like to get it configured per-image, and then laugh my way home.
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| 21:47 | which the current tutorial seems to imply
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| 21:47 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps
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| 21:48 | <pmatulis> zlirp: you install the app to the chroot. with latest Ubuntu you need to rebuild the image
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| 21:48 | zlirp: so install all your apps in one go
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| 21:48 | <zlirp> What does rebuilding the image do? (curious)
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| 21:49 | So if I install WINE and run an OpenGL app, provided my thin client has a good 3D card, it'll run nicely?
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| 21:49 | "thin"
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| 21:49 | ;)
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| 21:49 | <pmatulis> zlirp: you build the image that the clients mount over the network
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| 21:50 | zlirp: what release of Ubuntu?
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| 21:50 | <zlirp> Latest.
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| 21:50 | <pmatulis> zlirp: good
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| 21:50 | zlirp: you'll be fine
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| 21:50 | <zlirp> So clients will just basically be using the server for file-access.
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| 21:50 | <zlirp> centralized OS hosting essentially.
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| 21:50 | <pmatulis> zlirp: not sure about your app in particular but in principle it works
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| 21:50 | <zlirp> Well, I'm willing to try :)
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| 21:51 | <pmatulis> zlirp: go for it!
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| 21:51 | <zlirp> What I want is all machines to have the same applications available. But of course, each machine may differ in hardware.
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| 21:51 | I'll be back on tomorrow probably once I'm actually at it.
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| 21:51 | Just burning a Jaunty server CD tonight.
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| 21:51 | <pmatulis> zlirp: nice, ping me to let me know if it works for you
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| 21:51 | <zlirp> Yeah, for sure. I'm sure I'll be mucking around.
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| 21:52 | <pmatulis> zlirp: one other thing
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| 21:52 | <zlirp> ?
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| 21:53 | <pmatulis> zlirp: if the local app needs to resolve internet names (needs a resolver) there is a bug. a workaround exists however
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| 21:53 | zlirp: it's documented on the UbuntuLTSP wiki
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| 21:53 | <zlirp> ah good
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| 21:53 | I'm sure I'll catch it ;)
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| 21:54 | <pmatulis> zlirp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocalAppsResolvConf
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