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Channel log from 4 December 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:31 | <lifeboy> morning all (in my timezone!)
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| 09:34 | I have gnome-session-fallback installed and under update-alternatives to set it as the default. Also set it in the my lts.conf as LDM_SESSION. However, my debian client doesn't show the different sessions in the GUI list for selection and I get thrown back to the logon right after login in.
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| 10:32 | <lifeboy> Also, despite ldm-themes I get the standard debian logon instead of the ldm-theme. What is causing this?
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| 10:40 | <lifeboy> I guess alkisg and vagrantc are the two that can answer this, right?
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| 10:41 | Ah, thanks highvoltage! I found http://jonathancarter.org/2011/03/19/spacefun-for-ltsp-on-debian/
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| 10:43 | <highvoltage> :D
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| 10:44 | that's still for squeeze though
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| 10:59 | <lifeboy> highvoltage: but at least it gave me the info of where to look to start understanding my problem!
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| 11:07 | :-) Despite putting LDM_THEME=ltsp in lts.conf, I always get the joy theme.
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| 11:07 | Argh! I meant :-(
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| 11:13 | <lifeboy> I think something is missing in my whole wheezy chroot ... It boots up, but I can't login with ldm, themes are not loading... :-(
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> lifeboy: do you have ldm-server installed in your server?
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| 11:19 | <lifeboy> alkisg: ii ldm-server 2:2.2.11-2+r1482+p949~precise1
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> lifeboy: I only have a little time, can I have a look at your server via VNC?
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| 11:20 | If yes, x11vnc -connect plinet.ioa.sch.gr
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| 11:21 | <lifeboy> Yes, you could. I don't remember the commands though? Or ssh in?
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> See the command above
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| 11:21 | <lifeboy> ah, :-)
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| 11:24 | Alkisg: I uninstalled ltsp-server, added the Greek PPA and reinstalled it. Then copied the wheezy chroot and did the rest.
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| 11:24 | I suppose I could have added the PPA and upgraded as well?
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| 11:25 | <alkisg> I don't see the server though
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| 11:25 | I only see a black screen
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| 11:25 | Is that from a thin client?
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| 11:25 | If so, you need to add -noshm...
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| 11:26 | <lifeboy> No, it's from the server
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> Are you physically there? Or via vnc, x2go, ...?
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| 11:27 | <lifeboy> no, via ssh
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| 11:27 | I can do it from the console...
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> lifeboy: I'm installing epoptes-client because it's then much easier to get remote access to the client itself
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| 11:36 | <lifeboy> ok, good. I actually had that at one stage...
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> lifeboy: so the problems were:
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| 11:49 | lts.conf wasn't readable by the tftp server,
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| 11:49 | wrong lts.conf settings,
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| 11:49 | wrong ssh key in the chroot (that one still remains),
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| 11:50 | wrong keyboard configuration in the chroot,
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| 11:50 | and wrong password (maybe due to keyboard layout) for the test user
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| 11:50 | <lifeboy> the keyboard config crept back somehow...
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| 11:50 | yes, I was testing with "roland" who was logged in already
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| 11:51 | The lts.conf is almost identical to the one I use at the headoffice site with the same hardware, except that they boot 10.04 clients
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> It wasn't readable, it needed chmod +r
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| 11:52 | <lifeboy> That was clearly the main cause of the problem
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| 11:52 | right?
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> And the ssh keys etc
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| 11:52 | OK now you're ready to go :)
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| 11:53 | <lifeboy> I thought the ssh keys don't matter. I get prompt to accept the new key when I log in on the headoffice server.
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| 11:53 | There's some setting to prompt the user, not?
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> No
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| 11:53 | * alkisg closed VNC | |
| 11:54 | <lifeboy> I'll just compare them again. Thanks a great stack! Much appreciated!
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| 12:59 | <lifeboy> alkisg: Depending on the user, the session is sometimes Unity and sometimes gnome-fallback. The options are not in the session list of the client?
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| 13:00 | I'd really like the client to have the option or at least the default to be "gnome-fallback"
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| 13:00 | That should all come from lts.conf, right?
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> lifeboy: sudo rm /home/*/.dmrc
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| 13:05 | bbl
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| 14:00 | <lifeboy> thanks, alkisg, that worked (removing the .dmrc's). The ldm GUI still doesn't have the sessions available in the dropdown list of sessions though.
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> lifeboy: from epoptes open a root terminal on the client, and there run:
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| 14:07 | nc -w 5 server 9571
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| 14:09 | <lifeboy> alkisg: Can I open a root terminal from on a client that epoptes doesn't show?
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| 14:09 | s/terminal from on/terminal on/
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> lifeboy: no
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| 14:47 | <lifeboy> alkisg: I'm not quite sure what you mean. Should I run nc on the thin client that does not show in epoptes and this will make it show? The thin client that doesn't show is a physical device at the remove site. The virtual machine thin client does show.
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| 14:48 | s/remove site/remote site/
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> lifeboy: if it's a remote site, you might have firewall/port forwarding issues
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| 14:52 | Login on the client. Run ltsp-localapps xterm. And from that xterm run the nc command.
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| 14:52 | If you can't see the server's 9571 port, then it's a firewall etc issue
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| 14:53 | <lifeboy> It's the server you were on earlier. It shows the vm thin clients, but not the physical thin clients. There's no-one at that office now, so I can't get someone to enter something on the clients for me anymore until tomorrow morning
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| 14:54 | and I'm running the epoptes gui on the server console (via remote kvm)
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| 14:55 | I'll take it up again in the morning
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| 14:57 | One thing I know is that there's no firewall between the thin clients and the server.
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> If the thin clients weren't rebooted after epoptes was installed, they wouldn't show up in its UI
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| 14:58 | If a user is logged in on a thin client, you can see his screen (requires root)
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| 15:04 | <lifeboy> That makes sense, but they were rebooted. I'll have to see tomorrow when there are people back at that office.
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> linux.c32 -dhcpinfo generates an <initramfs>/dhcpinfo.dat file, which our udhcpc script can use instead of IPAPPEND 3...
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| 16:17 | For example this gets the boot server IP: hexdump -s 20 -n 4 -e '/1 "%u."' dhcpinfo.dat | sed 's/.$/\n/'
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| 16:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: wow
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> It would be nice if code for that landed in initramfs-tools
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| 16:35 | The lease time is there too, so udhcpc could just use it normally without generating a second request...
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> That would be done from the "real" system, not from the initramfs, where the above ip would be used as "static"...
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> except renewing the lease runs the risk of changing ip address and breaking rootfs
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> One can try to reniew and not respect any changes :)
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| 16:36 | *renew
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> what's the point, then?
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> Usually the dhcp servers will acknoledge the renewal, so the lease won't ever expire
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| 16:37 | Without renewal, it will eventually expire, so it depends on the server pinging before assigning an ip
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| 16:37 | With renewal, there's no need to ping
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| 16:38 | The case where the dhcp server refuses to renew our lease is the exception (which we'll have to ignore client side), not the rule...
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> fair enough
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