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| 07:08 | <gnunux> hi
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| 08:12 | <fossala> localdev isn't working on my thin client (debian squeeze). I have added the user to fuse and put "LOCAL_DEV=True" in my lts.conf
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| 08:13 | s/LOCAL_DEV/LOCALDEV
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| 08:19 | I'm using LXDE could it be a problem with pcmanfm?
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| 08:23 | It's mounting it in /media/$USER just not showing it in the sidepane
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| 10:07 | <vmassuchetto> I would like to set the screensaver time for a kiosk mode. How can I do it?
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| 10:14 | <Hyperbyte> Screensaver time I don't know, but you can set X_BLANKING=N in lts.conf to turn off the screen after N seconds.
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| 10:14 | ... N seconds of idle.
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| 10:38 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, well... I've put an `exit 1` in the dpms xinit script
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| 10:38 | Hyperbyte, thanks.
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| 10:45 | <andygraybeal> morning Hyperbyte
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| 11:09 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Andy. :) How's the restaurant business going?
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| 11:11 | <andygraybeal> good man.
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| 11:12 | it's always busy.
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| 11:12 | i'm doing a knife workshop for 60 people on wednesday.
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| 11:12 | they are splitting up into groups of 30.
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| 11:12 | i have 30 knives waiting :)
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| 11:13 | and i need to write an outline
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| 11:19 | Hyperbyte, what business are you in ?
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| 11:20 | <Ghidorah> Good morning everyone.
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| 11:20 | <andygraybeal> hi Ghidorah :)
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| 11:27 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Ghidorah :)
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| 11:28 | I work at a touroperator for disabled people. We organize group vacations (with travel companions) for people a mental or physical disability, throughout Europe. We have a few destinations outside Europe even.
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| 11:39 | <andygraybeal> wow Hyperbyte, that sounds interesting!
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| 11:47 | <Hyperbyte> It is :)
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| 11:47 | <andygraybeal> so you have 7 machines in your office?
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| 11:47 | how big is your workforce?
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| 11:56 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone use iTalc here?
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| 11:58 | If so, what is the difference between ica and ica-launcher?
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| 12:04 | <Hyperbyte> Andy, we have 10 thin clients in the office, but 7 paid office workers (including me)... we also have about 650 volunteers, and another 20 or so professional (paid) travel companions
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| 12:05 | We also have a travel company, which organises the transport for our groups. Basically it's the same company, but we do it under a different flag because that's easier due to all kinds of regulations imposed on transport companies
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| 12:06 | Anyway, for the transport company we have about 20 drivers working.
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| 12:07 | We can keep the amount of office workers we need to a bare minimum, due to lots of things being automated. :)
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| 12:13 | <andygraybeal> wow, 650 volunteers.. omg that is a lot.
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| 12:13 | <Hyperbyte> Well, we need them, to accompany our clients on their vacations. :)
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| 12:14 | <andygraybeal> No, I understand, i wasn't saying anything negetive.
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| 12:14 | <Hyperbyte> I didn't think you were, just explaining. =)
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| 12:14 | <andygraybeal> that sounds like a great thing to be a part of.
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| 12:15 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, it's okay... what I like most is the company's vision to rely heavily on automating things. There is more work done behind-the-scenes by our servers than by our employees. :)
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| 12:24 | <andygraybeal> yea, that sounds like fun.
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| 13:15 | <vmassuchetto> If I fix the address of a client, it can't boot over the network. What's wrong?
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| 13:17 | <Hyperbyte> How did you fix the address?
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| 13:18 | And what's the error message you get?
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| 13:18 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, using dhcpd.conf
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| 13:18 | This HOWTO says something about the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file. Is this the correct file!?
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| 13:19 | My dhcp serever is not the same of LTSP.
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| 13:20 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, on boot, it simply can't find the server.
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| 13:21 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, I guess it's because the PXE boot and the clients ips are in different ranges.
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| 13:26 | <Ghidorah> what are the ranges?
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| 13:32 | <vmassuchetto> Ghidorah, 192.168.0.239 for dhcp clients, and > 240 for ltsp
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| 13:33 | <Ghidorah> dhcp all via 1 DHCP server?
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| 13:36 | <vmassuchetto> Ghidorah, yes
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| 13:36 | Ghidorah, what parameters do I need to set for each host? I've set the root-path in the group, fro example, but it seems it can't get it.
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| 13:37 | <Ghidorah> Does it put a DHCP address?
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| 13:37 | <vmassuchetto> Ghidorah, on boot? Yes. It's correctly recognizing the host mac address.
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| 13:37 | <Ghidorah> What kinda of DHCP server do you got?
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| 13:38 | <vmassuchetto> Ghidorah, Ubuntu's default one.
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| 13:38 | <Ghidorah> I'm assuming you had a look at this?
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| 13:38 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIPsWithDHCP
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| 13:41 | For me, I had to set options 17, 66 and 67
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| 13:41 | I also set option 12
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| 13:59 | <Ghidorah> Anyone know what may cause this error in syslog? nbd9: unknown partition table nbd9: NBD_DISCONNECT
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| 14:01 | * Hyperbyte shrugs | |
| 14:01 | <Hyperbyte> Faulty NBD image?
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| 14:01 | <Ghidorah> *shrug*
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| 14:01 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 14:01 | <Ghidorah> everything seeeems to be working
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| 14:27 | <TheMatrix3000> flush taking up 100% cpu would be a non ltsp issue right
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| 14:28 | even though its on our ltsp server
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| 14:28 | and it only happens on our ltsp server
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| 14:34 | <Ghidorah> Anyone have any recommendations on NBD_SWAP and LTSP-Cluster?
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> <Ghidorah> Anyone know what may cause this error in syslog? nbd9: unknown partition table nbd9: NBD_DISCONNECT
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| 15:39 | ==> it's normal, it's how LDM checks for a newer version of the nbd disk, to offer to reboot the client
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| 15:41 | Hyperbyte: in the logs, the "time" and "username" boxes would be better with valign=top, now on long lines one the username might be displayed one line lower than what the user says...
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| 15:41 | ...and hi all :)
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| 16:31 | <Ghidorah> Thanks for the info alkisg!
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| 16:43 | <Hyperbyte> Heya Alkis. :)
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| 18:13 | * Hyperbyte burns a candle | |
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| 18:52 | <Ghidorah> Has anyone done any theming for LDM? I currently have the default theme enabled. There appears to be this "artifact" in the to the lower left of the login screen.
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| 18:52 | It almost looks like a resize window icon
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| 18:55 | <abeehc> yeah i made mine pretty
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| 18:55 | <Ghidorah> Care to share a screenshot?
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| 18:55 | <abeehc> just jacked the existing theme and sent it to my maarketing guy sure one sec
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| 18:58 | <Hyperbyte> Ghidorah, are you sure what you're seeing is not the preferences button?
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| 18:59 | <Ghidorah> That is in the lower left
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| 18:59 | What I'm seeing is if the login was a window
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| 18:59 | it is showing its resize
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| 19:00 | <abeehc> http://uploadpie.com/MB3T7
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| 19:00 | <Ghidorah> Oh that is nice
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| 19:00 | <abeehc> 9.10 mind you
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| 19:01 | +ppa
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| 19:01 | <Ghidorah> I like it nonetheless
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| 19:04 | <Hyperbyte> Sexy
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| 19:05 | <Ghidorah> http://uploadpie.com/K5qku
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| 19:05 | there is a screenshot of the mystery item
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| 19:06 | <abeehc> yeah that sure looks like the resize thingy..
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| 19:07 | i assume it doesn't respond to the mouse?
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| 19:07 | <Ghidorah> It is always there regardless of the resolution
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| 19:07 | actually lol
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| 19:07 | It is a resize
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| 19:07 | I can pull it up and it goes away
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| 19:07 | <abeehc> you put the circle there right?
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| 19:07 | <Ghidorah> yes sir
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| 19:07 | <abeehc> hehew
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| 19:07 | i imagine when i finally get to lucid i'll see the sdame thing in that case
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| 19:08 | <Ghidorah> I'm on natty
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| 19:08 | I don't think I had this issue with lucid
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> I think natty has the new and redesigned ldm version
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| 19:08 | With the plugins etc
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| 19:08 | <Ghidorah> oh
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> Haven't seen that yet
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| 19:10 | <Ghidorah> I wonder if there is any documentation some where
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> For the resize thing? I wouldn't think so...
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| 19:11 | For LDM in general, sure, the ltsp docs have some things
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| 19:14 | <vmassuchetto> X_BLANKING = 0 is not working on clients. They keep blanking the screen after some time.
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> Try ltsp-localapps xterm, and inside that, xset q
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| 19:19 | E.g. what you're seeing might be gnome-screensaver instead of dpms
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| 19:20 | (you can check if that's what happens by running ps on the server, and looking for screensavers)
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| 19:22 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, It's a kiosk mode using xinit only.
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| 19:22 | <alkisg> !xauthority
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| 19:22 | <ltsp> alkisg: xauthority: To access the thin client X display from ssh or from a local console, try: export $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=').
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| 19:22 | <alkisg> !SCREEN_02
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| 19:22 | <ltsp> alkisg: SCREEN_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN.
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> vmassuchetto: this is an alternative method, to get a local xterm on kiosks ^
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| 19:23 | Or just navigate to file://usr/bin/xterm and run it from firefox :P
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| 19:25 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, I didn't get it quite well....
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| 19:26 | alkisg, If I put xset q in one of the init files will it work?
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| 19:26 | <alkisg> vmassuchetto: no, what I'm suggesting is that you get a local xterm for troubleshooting
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| 19:27 | And as part of that troubleshooting, to run `xset q`, to see if indeed X_BLANKING=0 did turn off dpms
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| 19:27 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, got it.
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| 19:27 | <alkisg> So `xset q` isn't to fix things; it's to see what goes wrong
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| 19:27 | And the other thing to check, is to run ps on the server while the client shows a blank screen
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| 19:27 | Ah sorry
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| 19:27 | Scratch that, kiosk mode, you'd need ps on the client
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| 19:28 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, I coulnd't find any screensaver on the ps list
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| 19:28 | <alkisg> OK better start by installing ssh to the chroot, it'll help with the ps stuff
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| 19:28 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, And it was blank.
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| 19:28 | <alkisg> How did you run ps while it was blank? ssh?
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| 19:28 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, yes.
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| 19:28 | <alkisg> OK, if you already have ssh, then all you need to to is the xauthority part
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| 19:29 | I.e. to set display and xauthority within the ssh session, so that you can access the x server
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| 19:30 | Can you run `ps -ef > /tmp/file` and upload that file to pastebin?
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| 19:30 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, Ok. I've run the export thing there.
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> It won't work, you'll need to change "ldm" to "firefox" for it to work
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| 19:30 | And probably to change to the kiosk user
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| 19:31 | Start with the ps to pastebin, so that we have a better idea of what's running there
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| 19:32 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, Here's the `ps -ef`: http://pastebin.com/dBShAwiX
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| 19:33 | <alkisg> vmassuchetto: no, that's from your server
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| 19:33 | The one from the client is needed
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| 19:33 | Where firefox etc is running
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| 19:33 | ssh to the client and run ps there
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| 19:34 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, oh... ok... sorry.
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| 19:36 | alkisg, There it is: http://pastebin.com/WqLWWvLf
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> vmassuchetto: just curious, do you have a 5 min lease setting on your dhcp server?
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| 19:40 | Also, I don't see sshd running there, so how did you ssh to check the `ps` while the screen was blank?
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| 19:41 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, Lease time is 600 seconds.
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| 19:41 | alkisg, Sorry again, I'll have to wait for the client to blank the screen so I can go there and run the ps -ef.
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| 19:41 | <alkisg> vmassuchetto: that won't work
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| 19:42 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, That one was a local ps -ef.
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> If you go there, the screen will stop blanking
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| 19:42 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, yes... only realized now.
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> You need to access the client from ssh
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| 19:42 | vmassuchetto: you can install ssh live if you have enough ram
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| 19:42 | From the local terminal, and it will be lost on reboot
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| 19:42 | i.e. apt-get update, apt-get install openssh-server etc
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| 19:43 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, I did that now.
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| 19:43 | alkisg, I'll wait for the screen to go blank.
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> OK, try to ssh from remote
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| 19:43 | And then wait for the screen to become blank
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| 19:43 | <vmassuchetto> It's working
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> Also please file a bug about the defunct udhcpc that you have in your ps list
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| 19:43 | In ltsp
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| 19:43 | (not in udhcpc)
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| 19:45 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, maybe it goes away on reboot. I'll take a look.
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| 19:45 | <alkisg> vmassuchetto: it does go away on reboot, but it's a problem in the udhcpc script that you get defunct processes of it
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| 19:45 | That udhcpc script is part of the ltsp code, we need to fix it
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| 19:46 | And the bug will serve as a reminder
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| 19:46 | <Hyperbyte> Hm...
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| 19:47 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, nice.
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| 19:52 | alkisg, Here's the `ps -ef` from the blanked screen on client via ssh: http://pastebin.com/5P4PAXz6
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| 19:55 | <alkisg> vmassuchetto: hmm I don't see a xauthority in the X command line, while I00-xauth should have set one
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| 19:55 | Which ubuntu version did you say you're using?
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| 19:56 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, It's the 11.04
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| 19:56 | <alkisg> vmassuchetto: ok... try this, see if it works:
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| 19:57 | su bertanha
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| 19:57 | export DISPLAY=:7
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| 19:57 | xrandr
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| 19:57 | Do you get normal output from xrandr, or X errors?
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| 19:57 | All that from ssh
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| 19:59 | <vmassuchetto> Well, there's a listing with some screen sizes.
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| 20:00 | <alkisg> Nice. Now, run: xset q
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| 20:00 | And put the output to pastebin
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| 20:00 | (e.g. xset q > /tmp/output)
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| 20:00 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, ok
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| 20:01 | alkisg, Here you go: http://pastebin.com/tVX7uCjR
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> timeout: 600
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| 20:02 | That means that your screensaver gets fired after 10 mins
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| 20:03 | That also means that the scripts in xinitrc.d weren't fired
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| 20:03 | That's why you had no xauthority, and that's why X_BLANKING didn't work
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| 20:03 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, ok. Wait some...
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| 20:03 | alkisg, Did i say that i modified that script?
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| 20:03 | =D
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| 20:03 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 20:03 | :)
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| 20:03 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, im sorry.
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| 20:03 | alkisg, I modified the dpms launch in xinitrc.d
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| 20:04 | alkisg, That was last week.
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| 20:04 | <alkisg> OK, paste the script you have now
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| 20:05 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, Its the original one. I just commented it out.
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> Erm... you commented out the X_BLANKING code, and you were wondering why it doesn't run? :O
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| 20:05 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, something like this.
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| 20:06 | alkisg, in my mind I uncommented it.
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| 20:06 | alkisg, before coming here complaining.
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> OK sorry but this was 1 wasted hour for me :-/
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| 20:06 | Anyway, glad you solved your problem
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| 20:07 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, Dont say that
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| 20:07 | alkisg, im really glad for your help
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| 20:07 | alkisg, oh... wait wait...
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| 20:07 | alkisg, it was uncomented
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> I think you changed other things too
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| 20:08 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, the I10-dpms file
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> And none of the scripts in xinitrc.d directory were run
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| 20:08 | 1000 1933 1904 0 16:38 tty7 00:00:00 xinit /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc /usr/share/ltsp/kioskSession /home/bertanha/erp/local/cnc/daemon.sh -- :7 vt7 -br
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| 20:09 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, I modified that line to launch the custom application
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> xinitrc runs all the scripts in /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d
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| 20:09 | <vmassuchetto> As we're not running Firefox.
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| 20:09 | So i think that's the problem.
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> So if you modified it to not run them, that's your problem
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| 20:10 | You just broke the ltsp code, it wasn't broken before
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| 20:10 | You can set the executable you want to run instead of firefox from lts.conf
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| 20:10 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, Instead of running Firefox I've put another app there.
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| 20:10 | alkisg, maybe I forgot something.
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> Don't change the code for that. Just put your app in lts.conf
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| 20:11 | Because now we're just troubleshooting *your* scripts, not the ltsp scripts
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| 20:11 | And I don't even have the modified code :)
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| 20:12 | <vmassuchetto> Ok. What's right way of doing it.
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| 20:12 | I remember coming here to do this, and I was told to modify that line.
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> Set KIOSK_EXE in lts.conf
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| 20:13 | And KIOSK_OPTIONS, if you need them
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| 20:14 | But please, before coming here again to ask more questions, either (1) put all the ltsp code back as it was, or (2) say that you modified it so that people trying to help you know that
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| 20:14 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, Sure. Thanks.
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| 20:14 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 20:15 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, I mean. Many thanks. =D
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> :)
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| 20:32 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, Couldn't find documentation about KIOSK_EXE
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| 20:32 | alkisg, and when I set it, X complains about the -config parameter
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| 20:46 | <alkisg> vmassuchetto: yeah unfortunately most people don't write documentation
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| 20:46 | About the -config parameter, I suspect that the kiosk plugin has bugs
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| 20:46 | It needs proper troubleshooting
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| 20:46 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, So if I remember well, that's exactly why I modified that line
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| 20:46 | <alkisg> I.e. it uses a config file without being instructed to do so or something
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| 20:47 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, How can i manually run the xinitrc.d scripts, then?
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| 20:47 | <alkisg> Well, the proper way is to start by helping solve the bug
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| 20:47 | Not by just changing it to something that might work for you
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| 20:48 | (and might also break xinitrc.d ;))
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| 20:48 | After the bug is solved, you just set KIOSK_EXE
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| 20:48 | And then, you document it in the wiki or something :)
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| 20:48 | It's a community... it's how it works - otherwise it just doesn't wokr
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| 20:48 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, That's a really good point, actually.
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| 20:49 | alkisg, But I'm sure that's not what my boss will think about. =/
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| 20:49 | <alkisg> OK, follow your alternatives then
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| 20:52 | <Hyperbyte> vmassuchetto, wait, I'm confused.
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| 20:52 | You are running open source software at your company, but your boss doesn't believe he should invest in open source software?
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| 20:55 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, that's nothing new.
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| 20:55 | <Hyperbyte> That's strange.
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| 20:56 | <vmassuchetto> Sure it is.
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| 20:56 | <Hyperbyte> I would even go as far as to call it misguided.
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| 20:56 | You need to educate him man.
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| 20:56 | Right now you're spending lots of time hacking LTSP, so that it works for you.
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| 20:56 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, don't worry about that. I'm certainly doing it.
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| 20:56 | <Hyperbyte> While you could be spending a little time providing a good bug report, and motivating people like Alkis to fix the bug, perhaps even by contributing yourself...
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| 20:57 | This would mean less work for you, which is good for your boss. And a better LTSP product, which is good for your boss' company and all of us.
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| 20:58 | <Hyperbyte> The whole idea behind FLOSS is to create win-win situations like this, by helping eachother. Not hacking something so it works for you and then leave it at that. Plus if the LTSP kiosk mode is fixed, it'll be a hell lot cheaper for your boss when it's time to upgrade your system.
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| 20:59 | More win! :)
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| 21:00 | <vmassuchetto> You're damn right, and I'm really motivated about filling a bug report. But if the stations don't work tomorrow, how can I prove free software is a cool thing?
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| 21:00 | Hyperbyte, they're far from understanding what's a "bug".
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| 21:00 | <Hyperbyte> vmassuchetto, how come your company depends on an open source solution that hasn't been made ready for deployment by you yet?
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| 21:01 | Or did you upgrade? :)
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| 21:02 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, because I wanted to do so. Otherwise they would have bought some MS Terminal Server.
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| 21:02 | Everything has a start.
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| 21:02 | <alkisg> vmassuchetto: I understand about your boss etc, even if the cost to pay some dev to solve the bug would still be less than the ms terminal server license
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| 21:02 | What I don't like is this:
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| 21:03 | if you just use ltsp it's ok to not contribute back (my opinion). If you seek help and people give your their time, you have to contribute back
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| 21:03 | Personally. Not because of your job or boss.
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| 21:04 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, I would say I'm not ok with both positions.
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| 21:05 | <alkisg> But anyway do what you have to do. Just warn people first, so that they only help if they're ok with that.
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| 21:05 | <abeehc> no doubt
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| 21:05 | <alkisg> E.g. I also didn't like that I had to troubleshoot customized versions of the scripts
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| 21:06 | It felt like cheating
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| 21:07 | <Ghidorah> alkisg: what is the best way to contribute back to the LTSP project?
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| 21:07 | <alkisg> Ghidorah: I'm not sure. Personally I contributed docs, spreading it to 250 schools, and later on code + irc help
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| 21:08 | <Ghidorah> You have 250 schools running it there?!
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| 21:08 | <alkisg> E.g. now BTS (the ltsp devs gathering) needs sponsoring. One could help there.
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| 21:08 | <vmassuchetto> alkisg, Don't be so dramatic. It wasn't working, so the first thing was to hack something.
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| 21:08 | <alkisg> Or, one could help in documentation, much help is needed there
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| 21:08 | Yup
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| 21:08 | <vmassuchetto> I'm sorry I forgot. =/
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| 21:09 | <Hyperbyte> vmassuchetto, you're sounding a bit disrespectful to someone voluntary giving their private free time to help you with something.
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| 21:09 | <alkisg> vmassuchetto: I'm glad to give my time to help people that need ltsp help. But I want to know beforehand what I'm helping in. I'm not interested in helping all cases.
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| 21:09 | <vmassuchetto> The problem now I thing it's with the X_ARGS var. It puts the -config param with the Xorg file.
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| 21:09 | <alkisg> So no, I wouldn't help you if I knew that you had modified versions of the scripts
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| 21:09 | <Ghidorah> Is there a donatation page for BTS?
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| 21:10 | <Hyperbyte> vmassuchetto, you realize it's past midnight where Alkis lives, and even though I'm sure he has better things to do, he's still here helping you? Give him some credit man, he can be dramatic if he feels the need.
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| 21:10 | <alkisg> Ghidorah: that's as far as I know: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_ByTheSea2011
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| 21:10 | Anyway, good night all :)
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| 21:10 | <Hyperbyte> Oh hey Alkis!
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| 21:11 | How's your UDS sponsorship going?
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| 21:11 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, I thought I said I was really thankfull, and that I' sorry for mistakes.
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| 21:11 | <Ghidorah> Good night alksig, thanks for the link.
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| 21:11 | <vmassuchetto> Night. =D
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| 21:11 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: I think the results will be published next month
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| 21:11 | Late augoust
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| 21:11 | <Hyperbyte> I thought UDS was in august?
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| 21:11 | No, october...
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| 21:12 | <alkisg> Yeah, and LTSP BTS is right before that
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| 21:12 | <Hyperbyte> =)
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| 21:12 | * alkisg waves | |
| 21:12 | * Hyperbyte keeps fingers crossed | |
| 21:12 | <Hyperbyte> G'night. :)
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| 21:13 | <Hyperbyte> vmassuchetto, you're trying with Ubuntu 11.04, right? Natty?
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| 21:13 | <Ghidorah> mmm Natty
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| 21:14 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, yes.
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| 21:14 | <Hyperbyte> vmassuchetto, what steps did you take and when did you run into problems? Because I tried recently to get kiosk mode working, without any success.
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| 21:15 | Don't need kiosk mode, but I wanted to try after seeing several people in the chat say it doesn't work.
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| 21:15 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, I'm filling the bug report. Maybe that helps.
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| 21:15 | <Hyperbyte> Ah... paste link when done. :) Curious to read it.
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| 21:16 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, have to get back the Launchpad password. =/
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| 21:17 | <Ghidorah> This evil resize thing is going to drive me insane.
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| 21:19 | <abeehc> just as an asthetic thing it's driving you insane? or did i miss something where it causes a probloem?
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| 21:19 | <Ghidorah> purely asthetic
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| 21:19 | <abeehc> hehe
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| 21:19 | <Ghidorah> ocd kicks in
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| 21:19 | <abeehc> I imagine it relates to different resolution monitors maybe? perhaps it's got a legit use
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| 21:20 | but you shouldn't spend mucxh time probly the users won
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| 21:20 | 't complain, will they?
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| 21:20 | :)
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| 21:20 | <Ghidorah> someone will
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| 21:20 | it never fails.
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| 21:20 | <abeehc> i hear ya
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| 21:21 | <Ghidorah> Working here has verified 3 things in life for me... I must pay taxes, I will die someday, and users will always complain about something.
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| 21:22 | <Hyperbyte> Ghidorah, the three cardinal rules of working in IT.
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| 21:22 | You have to be creative in these things though. ;-)
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| 21:23 | <Ghidorah> Yeah, figure out the problem before school starts again.
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| 21:23 | <Hyperbyte> Recently someone came to me saying that if they started the same program fifteen times their system would become slow. So I said "ah, I'll remedy that."
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| 21:23 | Walked away, came back with a post-it with on it "don't start the same program fifteen times."
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| 21:23 | :P
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| 21:24 | <Ghidorah> lol
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| 21:24 | <Hyperbyte> I'll have a look tomorrow, running Natty too, with lots of different solutions
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| 21:25 | Haven't seen the resize thingy yet, but I don't run a pure white background.
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| 21:25 | <Ghidorah> I have the Revolution Linux PPA
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| 21:25 | with their LDM version
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| 21:25 | <Hyperbyte> Ahhh
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| 21:25 | <Ghidorah> since users cannot run unity
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| 21:25 | if they'll complain about a resize window I'd hate to hear what unity will do
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| 21:30 | <Hyperbyte> Can you actually resize anything with that?
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| 21:30 | Also, did you file a bug report? ;-)
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| 21:32 | <abeehc> fg
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| 21:32 | <Ghidorah> I'm about to file one with Revolution Linux
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| 21:32 | and i'm going to try the LDM daily build
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| 21:32 | see if I have any luck
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| 21:36 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, here you go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/816139
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| 21:38 | * Hyperbyte high fives vmassuchetto! | |
| 21:39 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, Well... the thing about using a free software you're not experienced with, is that you're charged for things as you don't do anything with any other free software. =/
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| 21:40 | *free software community
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| 21:44 | <Hyperbyte> Charged for things?
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| 21:45 | In what way?
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| 21:45 | <vmassuchetto> Well... asking for help costed me a feel free software sermons. =D
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| 21:46 | <Hyperbyte> No it didn't.
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| 21:46 | Asking for help with modified version of LTSP did that. ;-)
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| 21:46 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, you saw the modified version in that bug.
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| 21:47 | Yeah yeah... but it's still modified.
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| 21:47 | <Hyperbyte> I'm not sure if those modifications were needed though, you can do lots of stuff via lts.conf options
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| 21:48 | <vmassuchetto> I see. But people right here told me to do that.
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| 21:48 | * Hyperbyte shrugs | |
| 21:49 | <Hyperbyte> Out of curiousity, why are you using kiosk mode? In what kind of environment and why is kiosk mode useful?
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| 21:50 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, there's a production control PyGTK app running in some terminals along the production line.
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| 21:50 | <Hyperbyte> You couldn't just use regular LTSP login for that?
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| 21:51 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, we wanted to limit things. So that's just an app that deals with the authentication and manufacturing registration.
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| 21:52 | Hyperbyte, anyway, according to what's written in the bug, do you imagine any way of letting X_BLANKING work?
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| 21:53 | <Hyperbyte> X_BLANKING works by default on Natty, for me anyways.
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| 21:53 | Not sure about kiosk mode though.
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| 21:53 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, I had to remove the X_ARGS var. Maybe it's because of that.
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| 21:54 | <Hyperbyte> Probably.
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| 21:54 | <vmassuchetto> So, what I'm trying is to run some `xset` in this xinit launch line
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| 21:56 | <Hyperbyte> See /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/I10-dpms
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| 21:56 | That script is ran on LTSP startup. Which means that xset is run on startup already, and set with the value you specified.
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| 21:57 | Most likely it's being overriden (changed after LTSP has started up) somehow
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| 21:58 | For example, if you configure DPMS blanking in Gnome, it'll override the X_BLANKING as soon as the user logs in, because Gnome will do an xset dpms with it's own configured value
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| 21:58 | Or at least that's how I understand it.
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| 22:11 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, got things working here. Time to go home.
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| 22:11 | Hyperbyte, thanks for the help.
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| 22:12 | <Hyperbyte> vmassuchetto, what'd you do to fix this?
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| 22:12 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, forced the options I needed on xinitrc.d/I10-dpms script
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| 22:12 | <Hyperbyte> Which were?
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| 22:13 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, most probably because the X_ARGS things, X_BLANKING wasnt set there.
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| 22:13 | <Hyperbyte> I doubt it.
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| 22:13 | <vmassuchetto> xset s off and xset -dpms
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| 22:13 | <Hyperbyte> Check getltscfg -a on a client
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| 22:13 | It'll show you what config options from lts.conf are read
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| 22:14 | Also, report this information in the bug. :)
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| 22:14 | (about the blanking)
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| 22:15 | <vmassuchetto> X_BLANKING is set there, but the scripts was being ran, but the logic there wasn't being followed.
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| 22:16 | Hyperbyte, oh.. wait...
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| 22:16 | Is it right? [ "${X_BLANKING}" = "0" ]
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| 22:16 | <Hyperbyte> Where's that from?
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| 22:17 | Oh, X_BLANKING works for me on Natty, so that line must be right yes.
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| 22:17 | <vmassuchetto> /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/I10-dpms file
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| 22:17 | <Hyperbyte> I think you're messing up your LTSP client by too much hacking
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| 22:18 | But that's just me.
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| 22:19 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, Running find -mtime I can only see this file.
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| 22:19 | Hyperbyte, don't know If i changed anything else.
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| 22:21 | <Hyperbyte> I would've tried to fix X_ARGS rather than remove it
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| 22:21 | But hey man, it's all good.
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| 22:21 | And it's 12:21 AM here, which is as good a time to sleep as any.
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| 22:21 | Talk to you later. :)
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| 22:21 | <vmassuchetto> Hyperbyte, nice. Thanks..
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| 22:21 | It's late here too.
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| 22:21 | See ya
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