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Channel log from 30 July 2019 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:07 | <adrianorg> alkisg: I seem to understand that I will need to create a raw disk image and install an operating system on it using some virtualization software (such as virtualbox), symlink that disk image to $BASE_DIR/ltsp/img_name.img, then run ltsp image img_name, which will export an squashfs image to $BASE_DIR/images/img_name.img. Is that correct?
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| 05:13 | <alkisg> adrianor1: exactly, except the symlink goes in $BASE_DIR/img_name.img (without /ltsp/). Thanks a lot!
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| 11:39 | <adrianorg> alkisg: I thank you! :-) I went to read the man page again to check the "without /ltsp/ part" and now $BASE_DIR is expanded in the document (e.g. "/srv/ltsp defaults to /srv/ltsp"). The git history says it's a "Temporary commit", so maybe I should wait for the next commit.
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| 13:28 | <professor90> hi
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| 13:28 | any can help me with epoptes?
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> adrianorg: I thought it would be more readable if I replaced $BASE_DIR with /srv/ltsp in the documentation; but my search/replace made that line that you just mentioned not make sense anymore :)
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| 14:01 | Thanks, I just replaced it with: The /srv/ltsp path can be configured using `ltsp --base-dir=`:
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| 14:19 | vagrantc: do you happen to know foka@debian, the go-md2man maintainer? We would really appreciate a new go-md2man release, both for ltsp5 and ltsp19+, as it's now using blackfriday v2 and it has a lot of fixes, including the OPTIONS...
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: not off the top of my head
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> ok
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: a wishlist bug to update it isn't uncommon
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> Ah, cool, will do
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> especially with an offer to help, but be careful or you end up the maintainer :)
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> Nah, I'm at -50% free time now :D
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> I'd love to try uploading ltsp19 myself though, with sponsoring or whatever it takes
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> but just describing the new features you want/need in the newer versions briefly and nicely sometimes works :)
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> Later though, finishing the code comes first; packaging a bit later
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| 14:22 | Oh just the new go-md2man release, nothing other than that
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> sure, happy to help with that when you think it's ready
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| 14:23 | <alkisg> Cool. Will use the PPA for a brief testing period in around 2 weeks, then another week to get feedback, then I'll ping you for whenever you have time
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| 14:24 | I've set up an ltsp-community repository in github, to replace the mailing list and the wiki.ltsp.org for ltsp19+
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| 14:25 | While ltsp.github.io will contain "upstream only" documentation, including the man pages
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> vagrantc: btw, the existing ronn gives muuuuch better output than even the newer go-md2man; why are its build dependencies so significant? To make local pbuilder builds faster?
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> that was one reason
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> I was trying to convert from the go-md2man output to html, to simulate e.g. debian manpages like https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/ltsp-server/ltsp-update-image.8.en.html, but it's kinda awful
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> it also increases the liklihood that it gets blocked from transitioning the larger the dependency chain is
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> I.e. the go-md2man produced man pages are of low quality, and aren't converted to html well
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> i think at the time ronn was even maybe not going to be in the release
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> There's also pandoc, but I think that's even bigger
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> i was happy enough with the results, but you keep bringing it up so i guess you're not :P
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> I guess I can run ronn locally and we'll have them nice in our ltsp.github.io web site, but they won't display nice in all other sites with go-md2man...
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| 14:54 | vagrantc: have a look: https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/ltsp-server/lts.conf.5.en.html
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| 14:54 | Although you didn't use options or anything, the spacing is still too big
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| 14:54 | Go to this line: KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES="acpid avahi-daemon bluetooth cups"
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| 14:55 | 8 empty lines above, 3 below...
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> looks a bit odd, sure
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> If I were a user trying to read the lts.conf man page from firefox, I'd be disappointed
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> my old eyes appreciate a bit of whitespace, though
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> It's a lot more whitespace than `man lts.conf` gives
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| 14:56 | It's just a lot of bugs involved there
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| 14:56 | * vagrantc shrugs | |
| 14:56 | * alkisg reminds vagrantc that his eyes are older :P | |
| 14:57 | <vagrantc> just must be wearing mine out faster
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 14:59 | On the other hand, the older lts.conf, is a lot more readable online: manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 15:00 | Ah it's on debian.org too: https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/ltsp-docs/lts.conf.5.en.html
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| 15:01 | * vagrantc really didn't want to continue to maintain all that xml/docbook stuff | |
| 15:01 | <alkisg> Oh sure, that part's fine
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| 15:01 | Let me see if ronn does the trick
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| 15:02 | Otherwise we may ...sed the go-md2man output or something
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| 15:03 | <mwalters> alkisg: if you want to start putting issues up in the ltsp/ltsp.github.io repo, it'd help people contribute
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| 15:04 | (i.e., "todo" issues)
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> mwalters: issues? Like, bug reports or missing features?
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| 15:04 | Ah, not yet
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| 15:04 | I need to go into beta first
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| 15:04 | I would appreciate someone willing to test though, in a couple of weeks
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| 15:04 | <mwalters> absolutely, I'll get a test box together
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| 15:05 | are you targeting 19.04 for ubuntu?
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> E.g. I might be thinking "since XRANDR_COMMAND_* doesn't make sense with wayland, I'll just provide a method to create a xorg.conf", but users might convince me otherwise
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| 15:06 | No no, I think I'll leave ltsp5 in 20.04, while in parallel, the ppa and greek schools will have ltsp19 for 20.04, so ltsp users can choose
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| 15:06 | And bullseye can ship with ltsp19
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| 15:06 | <mwalters> gotcha
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> (and 20.10 with ltsp19+ too)
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| 15:07 | <mwalters> They replaced the carpet in our day school. Now the director can't print... :D
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| 15:07 | I guess I need to go look at that
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Haha, I guess they needed to unplug the printer :D
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> carpet based networking is all the rage
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> vagrantc, when you come back, compare with ronn output: https://ltsp.github.io/ltsp-image.html
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| 15:28 | I don't know what you say, I prefer that a whole lot better :)
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> (06:28:26 PM) alkisg: vagrantc, when you come back, compare with ronn output: https://ltsp.github.io/ltsp-image.html (06:28:41 PM) alkisg: I don't know what you say, I prefer that a whole lot better :)
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| 17:15 | I can have a script that syncs them from our wiki, ronn's them, and pushes them to our sources, so that we ship compiled man pages instead of requiring ronn at build time :P
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> would violate the GPL, may as well just depend on ronn if you're set on it :)
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> OK; but... /me blinks.... violate the gpl how<
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| 17:20 | Isn't troff a valid source?
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> not if you're preferred way of modifying it is not troff
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| 17:21 | e.g. would you accept patches to the generated .troff, or would you then require then to edit the .md files?
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> Hrm, that would make all images in debian violate gpl, because each person maintains them as e.g. gimp source and publishes them as png...
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| 17:22 | I see the logic, but I'm not sure... will think about it another time :)
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| 17:22 | ty
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> how do you take patches for images?
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| 17:23 | it sounds like you prefer ronn at this point, so i'd say go with it
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| 17:23 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I can also do this:
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| 17:23 | we use go-md2man anyway, and manpages.debian.org/our manpages/ suck,
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| 17:24 | but, I locally run ronn, and ltsp.github.io/manpages are fine
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| 17:24 | If you prefer that, I don't mind doing it
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> i'd just say go with ronn; it's simpler
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> OK
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> the large dependency chain slows down build times slightly and might occasionally slow transition from unstable to testing in debian, but not so much as to maintain two separate systems
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| 17:26 | when possible, better to use the same thing everywhere
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| 19:54 | <Sleaker> what's with ltsp clients always complaining about not being able to connect to nbd9?
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| 19:54 | looks like something in ldm rc.d init script maybe?
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| 19:56 | the boot parameter clearly is /dev/nbd0 for the ltsp boot image stuff, but then it seems like ltsp is trying a bunch of file system mounts on nbd1-12?
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| 20:06 | <vagrantc> Sleaker: it's a check if the image has been updated since it was booted
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| 20:25 | <alkisg> !nbd
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| 20:25 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'nbd', but I do know about these similar topics: 'disable-nbd-proxy', 'nbd-proxy', 'nbd-compression', 'quick-nbd-tests', 'nbd-client', 'nbd-server-bug', 'nbd-trusty-bug', 'nbd-client-breaks-nm', 'nbd-bug', 'nbd-checkupdate'
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> !nbd-checkupdate | echo Sleaker:
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| 20:26 | <ltsp> Sleaker: nbd-checkupdate: To avoid bug https://github.com/NetworkBlockDevice/nbd/issues/59, put this in lts.conf: INIT_COMMAND_RM_NBD_CHECKUPDATE="rm -rf /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/I01-nbd-checkupdate"
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| 20:26 | * alkisg wonders why we haven't completely removed that check yet :P | |
| 20:35 | <Sleaker> oooo thanks
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| 20:45 | <Sleaker> has anyone tried to build buster images?
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> not since the last upload to buster
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| 20:46 | <Sleaker> I think it's asking for input on the apt-get install command :-/
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| 20:47 | I think I forgot to set NONINTERACTIVE
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| 20:47 | ahh yah need to set the deb frontend to non-interactive to bypass the samba questions.
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> oh.
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| 20:52 | no.
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| 20:52 | there is an AWFUL bug in apt.
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| 20:52 | <Sleaker> what's that?
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> oh, it's probably not the apt issue...
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| 20:53 | what are you using to create the image?
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| 20:53 | <Sleaker> no I'm pretty sure this was me running apt-get -y install $PACKAGE_LIST
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| 20:53 | which includes smbclient
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| 20:53 | and not having DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive set
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> ah, yeah ... if you manually install packages, you'll have to set that
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| 20:53 | <Sleaker> yuo
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| 20:53 | yup*
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| 20:53 | ltsp-build-client --no-squashfs-image --dist buster --arch amd64 --base $BASE_DIR --purge-chroot | tee $BUILD_LOG
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| 20:53 | and then: ltsp-chroot -p -d -a amd64 -b $BASE_DIR /tmp/client-script.sh | tee -a $BUILD_LOG
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| 20:54 | to setup the 'extras'
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| 20:54 | <vagrantc> you could also add the packages with one of the --*packages* options
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| 20:54 | <Sleaker> it includes custom packages that are being copied into the chroot
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> no repository for it to download from? ... hrm.
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| 20:55 | <Sleaker> although those are just being dpkg -i /tmp/*.deb
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| 20:55 | locally managed repo
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> then should point them to the repository
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| 20:55 | <Sleaker> it's easier to build the squash image from mainline
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| 20:56 | and then copy the packages locally
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| 20:56 | <vagrantc> and you can also use "apt install ./path/to/package.deb" instead of "dpkg -i /path/to/package.deb" and it will actually attempt to resolve dependencies
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| 20:56 | <Sleaker> at this point in our build the apt repository isn't live with the changes from the current build
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| 20:56 | <vagrantc> and mark it correctly as istalled or not
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