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07:10 | <petre> stgraber: ping
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07:11 | <rjune_> !seen ogra
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07:11 | <ltspbot`> rjune_: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 18 hours, 20 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <ogra> cute !
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07:11 | <rjune_> anybody know how to leave a memo?
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10:25 | <alkisg> newbie question: If I install an ltsp-server with the Ubuntu alternate CD, and then remove dhcp-server, will I have any trouble? (meaning, is it possible that it gets automatically reinstalled later because of package dependencies?)
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10:33 | <kc8pxy> how outdated is this?? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml
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10:34 | would that work??
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10:38 | <stgraber> alkisg: it won't
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10:38 | <alkisg> stgraber, ty! :)
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10:44 | <alkisg> stgraber, I have enabled NIC bonding on a server, and everything works fine, but one single PC with IP=x.x.x.103 refuses to show in iTalc unless I change its IP to something else, e.g. x.x.x.107... Would you have any clue on how to debug this? I'm really stuck!
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10:44 | E.g. can I telnet to an iTalc port to see if it's working?
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10:46 | <stgraber> you can try telnet on 5800 and 5900
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10:46 | <alkisg> stgraber, I did telnet, and it connected, but is there any command I can give there, or is that enough?
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10:47 | telnet on 127.0.0.1:11103 and 10103
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10:48 | (it's not installed on the chroot, not enough RAM on the clients)
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10:48 | (intrepid, chroot updated 2-3 days ago)
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10:51 | <stgraber> weird, maybe that port is used by something else but in this case you should have got a warning at session open time
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10:53 | <alkisg> I've tried using netstat before the client logs on to see if there are any ports used, but if I did this correctly, they weren't...
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10:54 | (the 127.0.0.1:1x103 ones)
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10:56 | Bah... I'll just change all of them to x.x.x.11x instead of x.x.x.10x and be done with it. :)
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10:56 | Thanks again.
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10:58 | <kc8pxy> dberkholz: how close is ltsp5 on gentoo??
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10:59 | <johnny> hi
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11:00 | it works
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11:00 | <kc8pxy> it works on gentoo?
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11:00 | <johnny> there is a manual step to take
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11:00 | which involves modifying the initramfs
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11:00 | until genkernel includes the patches we need for adding extra network cards
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11:01 | atm, there are only 2 network cards in the last :(
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11:01 | list*
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11:01 | and i have been a gainst the idea of manually modifying genkernel's config
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11:06 | <kc8pxy> how do i emerge it? ltsp shows a hardmask.
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11:06 | <johnny> it is in layman
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11:07 | <kc8pxy> layman -a ltsp?
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11:07 | <johnny> yes
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11:07 | i'm also waiting on another quickstart release
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11:08 | <kc8pxy> johnny: after the genkernel patches, it should be (shortly) ready to include in the main portage?
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11:10 | <johnny> also need releases of quickstart and real ltsp release snapshots
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11:10 | instead of pulling from bzr
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11:10 | ie: a stable point
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11:10 | <kc8pxy> johnny: does the layman version depend bzr?
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11:11 | * Overlay "ltsp" does not exist!
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11:11 | sorry, I'm VERY rusty on layman
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11:12 | <johnny> do yuo have any other layman overlays?
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11:12 | <kc8pxy> not used it much since xeffects
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11:12 | tis is a new install
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11:12 | <johnny> then perhaps you have to sync
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11:12 | <kc8pxy> setting up a LTSP for the shop.
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11:12 | <johnny> layman -L
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11:13 | <kc8pxy> git tree?
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11:13 | <johnny> i am probably going to have to rework it a little bit.. due to updated packages
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11:13 | yes.. it is a git tree
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11:13 | <kc8pxy> kk
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11:14 | <johnny> i also have to do some keywording inside ltsp chroot.. i am hoping for some of those not to be necessary anymore
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11:15 | kc8pxy, if you want.. i'll go through a quick update to make sure things still work somewhat as expected, befre you try to run into more bugs
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11:16 | i was asking for more testers in the ltsp5 bug.. and nobody has really gotten to me
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11:16 | the only tester i've had was this guy furiousgeorge.. he helped me uncover some issues.. but that was a few months ago
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11:16 | <rjune_> and he was a bad little monkey
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11:16 | <johnny> other folks asked.. but not comittment
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11:16 | rjune, i disagree .. he was the only person who helped :)
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11:17 | <rjune_> You're ruining a perfectly good joke
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11:17 | <johnny> kc8pxy, i also have to force portage 2.2 rcs in the chroot, since the blocker resolution is a must for automated installs
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11:18 | gentoo could use a new stage3 release..
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11:19 | <johnny> i just recently found out about a new wrapper to dd_rescue.. for any folks who are interested
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11:19 | supposably it will focus on recovering valid data and then go back for badblock recovery
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11:20 | instead of spending all the time upfront on bad block recovery
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11:24 | <kc8pxy> johnny: need more testers??:)
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11:24 | <johnny> sure
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11:24 | <petre> stgraber: ping
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11:24 | <johnny> i'll do a quick sweep tho right now
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11:25 | <stgraber> petre: pong
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11:26 | <petre> I've got intrepid installed on a USB stick, and nxclient
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11:26 | How were you causing it to start automatically upon login?
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11:26 | nxclient, I mean
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11:27 | <stgraber> what did you install exactly ? the full OS or only the minimal OS + Xorg ?
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11:27 | <petre> I remembered you said you did a minimal, but I pul the whole system on just to see if I could make this pico usb boot and get nxclient running
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11:28 | put
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11:28 | so, next step is to do minimal
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11:28 | did you then add Xorg manually?
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11:31 | <stgraber> yeah
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11:31 | then I have an init script that starts X, do the dhcp request and start the NX binary client
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11:33 | <petre> so, is X stripped down or is it a full desktop?
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11:36 | <kc8pxy> johnny: ltsp added, instyall how?
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11:36 | <johnny> emerge ltsp-server
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11:36 | and then ltsp-build-client
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11:36 | same as any other distro
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11:36 | altho i'd sugges that you add these flags for testing
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11:37 | <kc8pxy> no ebuilds
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11:37 | <johnny> huh?
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11:37 | <kc8pxy> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "ltsp-server".
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11:38 | <johnny> did you follow the rest of the layman instructions?
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11:38 | by adding the source /path/to/layman/root to the bottom of make.conf?
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11:38 | <kc8pxy> doh
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11:38 | been too long
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11:40 | <johnny> kc8pxy, if you want it to be more likely to work out of the box with recent changes, you might want to hold off a minute, and i can take care of a few things
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11:40 | there have been some changes to ltsp-trunk that i need to adjust for perhaps
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11:42 | so. i actually discovered something useful via twitter/identica
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11:42 | http://jstn.cc/post/63070826
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11:42 | on how "Free Public Wifi" adhoc access point is shown on so many places
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11:45 | kc8pxy, right now i'm updating my system with ltsp on it
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11:47 | <kc8pxy> johnny: kk. quickstart has missing keywords, btw
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11:47 | <johnny> missing keywords? for what?
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11:47 | i only set it for keywords i hae personally installed and ran it on
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11:48 | which is gentoo dev practice
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11:49 | <kc8pxy> I'm on x86
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11:50 | <johnny> yes
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11:50 | you have to mark it ~x86
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11:50 | you will have to do that lots of packages
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11:51 | <kc8pxy> already hit fuse, ltspfs and ltsp-server :)
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11:51 | they said ~x86, quickstart said mission
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11:51 | <kc8pxy> missing
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11:53 | <johnny> well what is in the ebuild?
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11:57 | <kc8pxy> sys-apps/quickstart/quickstart-0.6.ebuild (in the lstp layman, which ltsp-server is pulling) has a single keyword. ~amd64
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12:00 | add a keyword and re-digest it?
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12:01 | or wait for you to fix?
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12:03 | <johnny> add it.. if it works
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12:03 | i'll add it to upstream
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12:07 | <kc8pxy> gar
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12:08 | <johnny> ?
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12:08 | <kc8pxy> this box hit the ss e2fsprogs com_err blocking debacle
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12:08 | <johnny> on the main system?
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12:08 | yeah.. that's why i force portage 2.2..
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12:09 | for the chroot
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12:09 | since it runs into similiar problems
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12:10 | <kc8pxy> i should emerge portage 2.2 on the main sys?
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12:10 | <johnny> i'm not saying that.
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12:11 | i dont' know what the real bugs that are left are
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12:11 | i just know it is necessary for the chroot
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12:11 | lemme make sure i commited the portage fixe
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12:11 | <kc8pxy> is there a simple fixe to this blocking debacle?
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12:16 | <johnny> portage 2.2 is supposed to be the fix :)
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12:16 | atm. manually resolve it in your main system
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12:17 | by removing the blockers and remerging them
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12:17 | ok.. i have to commit my fixes
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12:17 | i didn't do that
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12:23 | done
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12:26 | <kc8pxy> johnny: I'm glad we have dev's like you. I've been wtih gentoo since ~ 1.4rc3 (is the oldest rev i recall)
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12:26 | <johnny> i'm not a gentoo dev :)
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12:26 | <kc8pxy> rally??
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12:26 | wowo
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12:26 | <johnny> just a long time user
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12:26 | <kc8pxy> kk
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12:27 | <johnny> i started with official 1.4.. near the end
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12:27 | right before the change to year.releasenum
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12:27 | <kc8pxy> yeah
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12:27 | <johnny> been long time gnome tester
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12:27 | <kc8pxy> gentoo certainly has come a long way, right?? bye bye stage1 :)
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12:28 | <johnny> portage 2.2 is really amazing.. i hope it gets fixed soon
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12:28 | altho i am upset over the exherbo situation..
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12:28 | <kc8pxy> i've heard amazing things of it
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12:28 | exherbo?
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12:29 | johnny: question.
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12:29 | the primary dhcp of the lan I'm putting the ltsp server on is NOT the ltsp server. can i just configure it there?
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12:30 | <johnny> sure
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12:30 | that's why there is a dhcp use flag
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12:30 | we don't need the ltsp-server-standalone package like other distros
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12:30 | <kc8pxy> ufed is my friend :)
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12:30 | <johnny> aha.. there have been some changes i need to integrate
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12:31 | <kc8pxy> nice
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12:33 | <kc8pxy> johnny: if my client users are used to ubuntu, is there a simple way to make the client image look like that?
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12:33 | <johnny> look like what?
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12:33 | <kc8pxy> like ubuntu
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12:33 | <johnny> what do you mean?
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12:33 | <kc8pxy> gentoo server, ubuntu client image.
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12:33 | <johnny> what is specific about the client image to ubuntu?
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12:34 | only the bootsplash and login screen right?
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12:34 | <kc8pxy> look and feel, menu options.
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12:34 | i can gnome the image, i bet.
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12:34 | <johnny> atm, i use the ltsp default theme
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12:34 | gnome the image???
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12:34 | <kc8pxy> ok
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12:34 | <johnny> don't you mean gnome the server?
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12:34 | <kc8pxy> i'm probably making no sense.
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12:34 | <johnny> it's all about the server
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12:34 | <kc8pxy> ok
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12:35 | so it will look and act like i configure the server to be
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12:36 | right?
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12:39 | <johnny> yes
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12:39 | except the bootup
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12:39 | and login screen
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12:40 | <kc8pxy> i want the dazzle them with a gdm emergence login :)
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12:43 | i should use the gentoo.org howto or the ltsp howto?
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12:51 | <johnny> neither
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12:51 | there is no gdm
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12:52 | thus the gdm emergence theme won't work
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12:52 | what you'd need to do.. is create an ldm theme
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12:53 | ok, i updated many of the recent changes
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12:54 | not quite all tho
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12:54 | i'm not sure if it will work out of the box atm
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13:00 | kc8pxy, i'm updating my host system right now
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13:00 | after that.. i'll update the chroot and test my changes
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13:01 | kc8pxy, perhaps we should reconvene tomorrow
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13:03 | it's gonna be a little while before my system is updated
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13:13 | <kc8pxy> I'm here all day :)
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13:14 | <johnny> i have about 8 fixes left to integrate in total
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13:14 | some are more necessary than others
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13:14 | i'd really like to globally allow SCREEN_01
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13:15 | instead of just hax0red for fedora
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13:15 | * johnny kicks the non existant warren | |
13:16 | <ogra> johnny: its my fault it isnt global, dont kick warren :p
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13:18 | <johnny> ogra, actually.. what i recall.. was that you were open to the idea
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13:18 | but warren had to shove ahead for his release
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13:18 | before discussion could happen
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13:19 | i'm not mad at warren or anything tho
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13:19 | <ogra> i asked for it to be tested on ubuntu before mzking it global
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13:19 | <johnny> yeah exactly
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13:19 | does it still need testing?
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13:19 | i'll do that at work
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13:19 | what do you want to see tested
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13:19 | and i guess we'll need vagrantc's ok
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13:19 | cyberorg, what do you think?
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13:19 | <ogra> since i'm nots sure upstart likes it
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13:20 | <johnny> but he uses upstart in fedora
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13:20 | so it must not HATE it..
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13:20 | <ogra> vagrant is fine with it he said
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13:20 | <johnny> ok
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13:20 | just need OK from cyberorg
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13:20 | and a test then
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13:20 | i will test on intrepid
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13:20 | <ogra> suse doesnt use upstart
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13:20 | <johnny> sure.. but who knows what it might break for them in any case
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13:20 | <ogra> should be ok for them
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13:21 | <johnny> i have no idea about their init system
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13:21 | don't want to make assumptions
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13:21 | * ogra neither, but guesses plain sysvinit | |
13:22 | <johnny> so.. yes.. i will test on intrepid. and also spawning ldm on it by default
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13:23 | <ogra> fine with me, if it works, feel free to just change
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13:26 | <johnny> i'm sure future ubuntu releases will also use kms stuff if available.. and that this feature would be necessary for the kind of experience you want to promote
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13:27 | <johnny> i'm actually pretty happy with the way fedora10 looks
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13:27 | with the default background/theme and the gdm theme looking so similiar
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13:28 | even thought i'm stuck with an old nvidia card on this box
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13:28 | and i dont' get the cool plymouth boot stuff :(
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13:34 | <ogra> heh, fedora implements ubuntus command-not-found in packagekit'?
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13:34 | * ogra grins | |
13:34 | <johnny> it'd be nice to see the cooperation between packagekit guys and ubuntu
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13:35 | altho i guess packagekit needs more maturity
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13:35 | <ogra> there is close cooperatin
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13:35 | <johnny> so.. where does ltsp local apps menu directory go?
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13:35 | <ogra> at least closer than with debian
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13:36 | <johnny> on the server?
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13:36 | * ogra has no idea, ask stgraber ... though i'd assume something like ~/.local | |
13:36 | <johnny> and genmenu goes on the client? maybe i'm confused
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13:37 | ogra, no.. it goes in /etc/
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13:37 | guess you haven't started your jaunty jaunt yet ?:)
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13:37 | <ogra> then its on the client
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13:37 | no, i need my stuff to work for work :)
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13:38 | running an ubuntu release before UDS is just insane
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13:39 | heh, they are redefining runlevel numbering
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13:40 | (in the session i'm sitting in)
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15:42 | <FrederickJHome> Hi! The ps2 mice on my two client machines are not working but they were before. I am running Edubuntu. Any ideas?
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16:20 | <FrederickJHome> I take it that no one has any ideas about this problem.
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16:38 | <stgraber> ogra, johnny: The .desktop and menu structure are on the thin client, then it's a ldm rc.d script that'll create the entries in ~/.config and ~/.local for the user and remove them on logout
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16:58 | <ogra> stgraber: ah, so i wasnt to wrong :)
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16:59 | <stgraber> ogra: btw, what do you think of a "How the hell can we update our localapps" discussion at UDS ? :) (won't schedule a session but it's something we need discussing)
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17:00 | that's really a problem of nbd and it's something I have some big problems with
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17:02 | ogra: btw, are you at the FOSSCamp ?
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17:11 | <ogra> stgraber: indeed
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17:12 | thats why i'm in and out all the time
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18:03 | <johnny> vagrantc, are you here?
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18:03 | sbalneav, are you here?
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18:07 | <vagrantc> johnny: just go ahead and ask a question :P
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18:07 | lest we play tag all day
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18:07 | <johnny> vagrantc, i heard you didn't care if i removed the restriction of SCREEN_01
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18:07 | is that true?
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18:08 | <vagrantc> johnny: pretty much.
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18:08 | <johnny> hwo about defaulting ldm to screen_01 .. or is that still too controversial? :)
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18:09 | i'm not sure even ogra would agree with that
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18:09 | he asked me to test whether it worked in ubuntu
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18:09 | <vagrantc> johnny: actually, i'd prefer to restrict the screens allowed by default...
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18:09 | <johnny> and i got a good boot
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18:09 | how come?
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18:09 | <vagrantc> because without manual mucking on debian, 1-6 are already taken.
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18:09 | so really, we should have a blacklist or whitelist mechanism somehow...
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18:10 | <johnny> and on ubuntu i'd imagine?
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18:10 | oh.. there's no /etc/inittab on ubuntu..
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18:10 | <vagrantc> i think they do some mucking.
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18:10 | yeah, it's upstart stuffs
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18:10 | <johnny> it seems like this is the way of the future
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18:10 | for kms stuff
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18:11 | i hope the debian folks realize that
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18:11 | even if they choose not to use upstart
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18:11 | <vagrantc> "kms" ?
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18:11 | <johnny> kernel mode setting
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18:12 | <vagrantc> it'll happen when it happens.
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18:12 | <johnny> it's what allows for the flicker free transistion between bootup and the display manager
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18:12 | and that is why i don't use debian ..
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18:12 | too many crusty unix geeks ..
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18:12 | altho i feel teh same about gentoo
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18:12 | <vagrantc> it happens when people interested in making it happen make it happen
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18:12 | that's actually more true to form
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18:12 | <johnny> yeah.. except changes like this.. brings the crusty geeks out
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18:12 | <vagrantc> and i'm not one of those people :)
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18:12 | <johnny> to fight the change
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18:13 | and then you have an uphill battle against the oldsters
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18:13 | i mean hell.. look at what the simple change of pidgin did
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18:13 | in regards to them automatically inreasing the size of the text boxes
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18:13 | and removing the configuration option
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18:14 | and that was jus a text box..
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18:14 | lol
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18:14 | * vagrantc doesn't even know what the heck pigdin is | |
18:14 | <johnny> vagrantc, i wish i could believe you that it was that simple in regards to 'when the people interesting in making it happen, make it happen"
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18:14 | pidgin.. gaim.
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18:14 | sounding like a crusty unix geek already vagrantc :)
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18:14 | hehe
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18:15 | it's ok.. i still love ya
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18:15 | <vagrantc> yeah, web2.0 annoys me. all those newfandangled chat programs i haven't a clue.
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18:15 | <johnny> newfangled?
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18:15 | 1999 isn't exactly new fangled in the computer world
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18:16 | which is when gaim was started..
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18:16 | <vagrantc> i don't really see what they've added that irc doesn't do for me just fine.
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18:16 | <johnny> presence of your buddies
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18:16 | irc has no presence outside of rooms
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18:16 | and hacking with /whois
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18:16 | <vagrantc> yeah, web2.0 crap.
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18:16 | <johnny> huh?
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18:16 | lol
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18:16 | web 1.0 was hardy even out then
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18:17 | <vagrantc> social networking oriented
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18:17 | <johnny> that's 1997 stuff
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18:17 | <vagrantc> same concept
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18:17 | <johnny> hell.. whenever aol started buddy lists
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18:17 | <vagrantc> i'm more interested in topics than individuals, basically.
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18:17 | <johnny> i like both
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18:17 | i like friends :)
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18:17 | who talk of interesting topcis
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18:18 | irc is still OK enough..
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18:18 | i use it for most devel stuff
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18:18 | but outside of that.. ti's all xmpp chat
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18:18 | <johnny> cuz freenode doesn't have an xmpp server yet..
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18:18 | aha.. split..
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20:32 | <rjune_> /whois ogra
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21:01 | <alex_21> Hi, I have Netvistas 2200 without the latest firmware and I want to upgrade them as well as make them boot with LTSP 5
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21:01 | How do I do this?
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21:12 | <alex_21> Hi, I have Netvistas 2200 without the latest firmware and I want to upgrade them as well as make them boot with LTSP 5
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21:12 | Ho do I do this?
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21:12 | How do I do this?
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21:59 | <kc8pxy> ... why is svn in the ltsp-server dep tree?
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21:59 | <johnny> layman requires it
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21:59 | <kc8pxy> ok
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21:59 | <johnny> oh
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21:59 | quickstart
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21:59 | sorry.. quickstart is in svn
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22:00 | i'll bb in half hour kc8pxy
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22:00 | <kc8pxy> kk
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22:00 | <johnny> i have a few more updates to make before making you my guinea pig
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22:01 | <kc8pxy> kk.. fuse didn't like that i was still using a livecd kernel (ripped from the cd) so i've had to recompile and then i changed my useflags, and TRIED to change my cflags, and NOW its emerging -j5 again now :)
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22:03 | <kc8pxy> it seems i can't get away from freegeeks:) vagrantc is out of mothership:)
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22:03 | <alex_21> Hi, I have Netvistas 2200 without the latest firmware and I want to upgrade them as well as make them boot with LTSP 5. I WANT TO UPGRADE THEM AND USE THEM AS THIN CLIENTS. HOW DO I DO THIS?
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22:04 | <stgraber> alex_21: I guess everyone understood you the first time you asked, no need to repeat yourself. If someone knew the answer and was around he'd already have answered.
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22:04 | <Ryan52> kc8pxy, I know, it's a little weird that the three of us are in both channels.
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22:04 | <kc8pxy> alex_21: i don't work with thin-clients that are specifically for that. all my thinclients are junk computers :)
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22:05 | lol
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22:05 | <Ryan52> alex_21: captitals make it *harder* for us to read it, not easier :)
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22:05 | alex_21: and capitals are interpreted as yelling on the internet, which isn't a very nice way to ask for help.
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22:06 | <kc8pxy> Ryan52: unless you want to be percieved as the guy who always DEMANDS TO SPEAK TO YOUR MANAGER.
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22:07 | * Ryan52 nods | |
22:10 | <kc8pxy> we're just now getting REAL server-grade stuff.
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22:11 | <Ryan52> server grade from 20 years ago, or...? :)
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22:11 | <kc8pxy> I'm setting up a dual xeon with HT.
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22:11 | 2.8ghz
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22:11 | each
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22:11 | <Ryan52> ooooooo....awwwwww....special. :)
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22:11 | <kc8pxy> /proc/cpuinfo shows 4 cpu's :)
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22:11 | <stgraber> bah, we have dual-QuadXeon for LTSP here :)
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22:12 | <kc8pxy> did you pay for yours??:)
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22:12 | mine was donated :)
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22:12 | <stgraber> (42 of them)
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22:13 | <stgraber> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5450 @ 3.00GHz
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22:13 | <Ryan52> woah.
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22:13 | <stgraber> and 6GB of RAM
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22:13 | <kc8pxy> nice
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22:13 | <stgraber> well, that's 42 of them for 5k thin clients :)
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22:13 | <kc8pxy> stgraber: free?
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22:13 | :)
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22:14 | <stgraber> kc8pxy: not really no :) it's the network of Laval's school board in Quebec
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22:14 | <kc8pxy> stgraber: mine was donated, so it was free to us as an org :)
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22:15 | free jalopee's are nicer than a nascar you have yto buy, anyday :)
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22:15 | but you have sone nice hardware :)
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22:15 | people underestimate tha value of a nice 486 :)
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22:16 | 486 66 as a thinclient??:)
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22:33 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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22:34 | <stgraber> evening sbalneav
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22:34 | <sbalneav> Eveing stgraber!
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22:34 | <Ryan52> hi sbalneav
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22:34 | <sbalneav> Hey Ryan52
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23:03 | <kc8pxy> johnny: ltsp-server just completed.
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23:03 | <johnny> i'm not quite done with it
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23:03 | <kc8pxy> how -S ltsp when you get finnsihed with the nip and tuck?
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23:05 | <johnny> got a few things to update on the client
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23:12 | <kc8pxy> i've not yet gotten a verifiably working ltsp. what does the login screen look like?
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23:21 | <johnny> what did you do?
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23:22 | <kc8pxy> i'm waiting on you. i tried a ubuntu box, but had no usable thinclients to test with.
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23:22 | now that i have this toy, i wanted to see if i could make it work on gentoo
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23:23 | <johnny> try that again?
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23:23 | so.. you have a gentoo box, and emerged ltsp-server? and that is it?
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23:27 | <kc8pxy> yes
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23:45 | <alex_21> I didn't mean to yel, I was not aware that caps lock was down
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23:46 | <johnny> kc8pxy, neat
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23:46 | now it has everything except the clustering stuff
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23:46 | i haven't tested it yet
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23:50 | <maicod> hi warren ivazquez sent me to you
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23:50 | to ask something
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23:51 | <johnny> he probably isn't here
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23:51 | it is almost 1am for him
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23:51 | <maicod> hehe oh isee
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23:51 | thanks for replying
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23:51 | <johnny> he coudl be.. but just mentioning it..
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23:52 | <maicod> yea we'll see if he responds ;)
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23:58 | <kc8pxy> johnny: layman -S ltsp ?
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23:59 | <johnny> huh?
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23:59 | oh.. yeah
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23:59 | or just sync em all..
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23:59 | layman -S syncs all
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23:59 | layman -s ltsp
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23:59 | would just sync ltsp
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