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Channel log from 17 April 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:59 | <tsurc> I would like your opinions: I have 3 LTSP servers and a NIS/NFS server, all connected to the same Gb Switch. All the servers have 2 NIC's and I would like to seperate the traffic. any opinions or comments anyone?
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| 04:00 | ah.. US are counting sheep still ;)
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| 04:54 | <envite> Hello all from Spain
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| 04:54 | Hola a todos desde España
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| 06:05 | <cliebow> tsurc:i'll catch you from school..wont be much help..but maybe if you tell me..or your teddy bear..the answer will come
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| 06:06 | <untitled> hello
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| 06:06 | <envite> hello untitled
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| 06:07 | <untitled> I wonder why I can't set screen resolution on the client
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| 06:07 | <tsurc> Think I'm going to end up giving the second NIC on all the servers belong to e different network.... then stick a second switch between them.
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| 06:07 | <untitled> it's always default
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| 06:08 | <envite> untitled: are you sure you're not running VESA ?
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| 06:08 | <tsurc> giving -> making
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| 06:09 | cliebow: I'm just off home for my lunch, I'll catch up with you later. what time zone are you on?
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| 06:10 | <untitled> envite: i am pretty sure i am :)))
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| 06:11 | ok, so that's it all about..
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| 06:11 | <envite> well
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| 06:11 | check your xorg.conf
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| 06:11 | it's automagically created in the client
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| 06:11 | <untitled> driver is "nv"
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| 06:11 | <envite> you'll not see it in the server
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| 06:12 | <untitled> oh
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| 06:12 | :)
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| 06:12 | envite: so, i can't set resolution like 1280x1024 with vesa?
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| 06:12 | <envite> you need to use the "Good Old Alt-F2 Trick (TM)"
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| 06:12 | ;)
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| 06:12 | <untitled> =]
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| 06:12 | <envite> untitled:
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| 06:12 | yes
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| 06:12 | VESA is limited by nature
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| 06:12 | <untitled> ok
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| 06:13 | <envite> it's simply the first attempt to extend VGA
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| 06:13 | <untitled> i don't even know if those graphic cards support anything but vesa))
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| 06:14 | envite: what about windows-clients on ltsp?
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| 06:14 | i got debian working fine
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| 06:26 | <cliebow> -5
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| 07:06 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 07:20 | <ogra> !s
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| 07:20 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 07:20 | <ogra> before i forget :)
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| 07:46 | <IRCzito> Hi ogra... I see the Jim McQuillan presentation in FISL, and there he show TCM - Thin Client Manager, where can I see the source of this project?
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| 07:47 | <sbalneav> IRCzito: It's in Ubuntu and Edubuntu
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| 07:47 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/tcm
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| 07:48 | <sbalneav> just apt-get source thin-client-manager-gnome
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| 07:48 | <IRCzito> Hi sbalneav :D
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| 07:48 | <ogra> there are some fixes in the package that arent in the branch, so what sbalneav says is better
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| 07:49 | <sbalneav> Hello IRCzito
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| 08:00 | <IRCzito> sbalneav: on the last day of FISL, bgomes and I ran into Pitter Punk, and he said he wanted to see you and Jim to talk to you guys about LTSP5 port for slackware. He suggested us to create a package for slack-builds. He said there can possibly be a chance that it be added to the next version of the slack
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| 08:01 | <sbalneav> Ah, cool.
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| 08:01 | Jim's on the plane back to Detroit Rock City right now,
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| 08:01 | I'm still travelling for another 8 hours
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| 08:02 | Send me an email with your email addresses, and lets see if we can schedule a time to all be here in #ltsp
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| 08:02 | <IRCzito> I got home last night
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| 08:02 | <sbalneav> Or #slackware, whichever
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| 08:02 | sbalneav@ltsp.org
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| 08:03 | <ogra> IRCzito, it should be possible to easily add slackware support to the current code ... have a look at the plugin subdirs and add one for slackware ;)
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| 08:07 | <IRCzito> ok, i will send Pitter Punk an email describing all the work related to ltsp5+slackware that we've done so that he can give us a hand
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| 08:10 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Hi, Scotty... How was your travel??? Here is Luiz Guaraldo...
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| 08:10 | <sbalneav> Hey Luiz!
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| 08:10 | How's things in Propus today?
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| 08:11 | <Guaraldo> Mutch better... yesterday we have organized the tables and the computers... Today we can realy work...
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| 08:12 | Was everithing Ok in your fights?
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| 08:12 | ops...
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| 08:12 | :%s/fights/flights
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| 08:13 | <ogra> IRCzito, just make sure to work on the existing codebase so we can merge all distro efforts in the end :)
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| 08:18 | <IRCzito> ogra: ok
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| 08:19 | that sounds good!
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| 08:19 | <ogra> feel free to pick sbalneavs or vagrantc's barins about it as well :)
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| 08:19 | *brains
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| 08:19 | (as well as mine i meant) ;)
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| 08:20 | <IRCzito> sure!!!
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| 08:21 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Too mutch work late?
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| 08:22 | sbalneav: Fisl is always good, but, in the end, we feel very tired, don't we?
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| 08:22 | <sbalneav> Guaraldo: yes
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| 08:22 | Some of us are STILL awake from yesterday :)
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| 08:25 | <Guaraldo> Like you... Man, I can't beleave you did not sleep yet! You are strong... :-D
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| 08:27 | <sbalneav> Strong? No, just can't sleep on an airplane. :)
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| 08:33 | <mhterres> hello guys
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| 08:33 | hi sbalneav
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| 08:34 | how was your travel ?
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> Hello Macello!
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| 08:34 | Still doing it.
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| 08:34 | <mhterres> where are you now ?
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> I'm in Newark for another couple of hours
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| 08:34 | Then onto Minneapolis
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| 08:34 | Finally to winnipeg
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| 08:34 | <mhterres> Hmmm
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> I should be home by 4:00 CST
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| 08:34 | <mhterres> And where is Jim ?
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> Alberto!!!
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| 08:35 | <mhterres> Is he with you ?
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> He's on his way back to Detroit. On a plane as we speak.
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| 08:35 | <bengoa> sbalneav, hi Scotty!!
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| 08:35 | <Guaraldo> :-D
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| 08:35 | <mhterres> HMmm
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| 08:35 | <cliebow_> wow feels like so mant new friends
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| 08:36 | <bengoa> sbalneav, what about the weather in NYC? So much ice?
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> No, above zero, and partly cloudy
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| 08:36 | <cliebow_> no ice in maine
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| 08:36 | <mhterres> sbalneav, great pictures, I saw them all yesterday with Renata
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> cliebow_: same friends as last year, but I told them to start hanging around in #ltsp where all the cool kids hang out.
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| 08:36 | :)
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| 08:37 | <cliebow_> heh 8~)
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| 08:37 | <mhterres> sbalneav, hehehehe
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| 08:38 | I will be here now, all the time :-)
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| 08:38 | <Guaraldo> me too...
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| 08:38 | here and in the Brazilian channel...
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| 08:39 | <bengoa> we have brazilian channel for LTSP?
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| 08:39 | <Guaraldo> yeah!, bengoa... #ltsp-br
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| 08:40 | <bengoa> few people
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| 08:40 | <Guaraldo> see that Scotty's bot is there too...
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| 08:40 | <bengoa> i saw :)
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| 08:41 | <sbalneav> Yeah
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| 08:41 | ltspbrbot
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| 08:41 | Actually, if you guys want to build LTSP business in -br, hang out THERE
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| 08:42 | We get a lot of Brazillians in here we can't speak with, having people idle in -br that we could help out, and have someone translate for would be GREAT for LTSP in -br
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| 08:42 | and, good business for A Certain Bazilian IT company we know!!!
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| 08:42 | :)
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| 08:43 | <bengoa> hauhau
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| 08:43 | <mhterres> heheehe
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| 08:43 | <bengoa> hey Scotty, I hope to see you next year.
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| 08:43 | <Guaraldo> hehehehe
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| 08:43 | <bengoa> we hope :)
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| 08:43 | <sbalneav> I will be there.
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| 08:43 | Count on it.
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| 08:43 | <mhterres> great
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| 08:43 | <Guaraldo> yeah!, all we... including my wife and my kids...
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| 08:44 | <mhterres> Guaraldo and the Guaraldinhos :-)
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| 08:44 | <bengoa> Me and Lise :)
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| 08:44 | <mhterres> And me and Renata
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| 08:46 | Scotty, I would be great if the fisl is for 10 days, don't you think ? 4 days pass so fast, and we have so much things to do that we can give all the atention we like to do for you guys
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| 08:47 | I think it would be great
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| 08:47 | let me correct my wrong sentence
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> Sure would!
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| 08:59 | <bengoa> I think that we would make a 6 month fisl :)
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| 09:03 | <mhterres> I'm back
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| 09:03 | hehehee
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> !topics
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| 09:14 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 10:57 | <paavum> Hello
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| 10:57 | I'm trying to run rdesktop, and I get the login screen of my win2k server
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| 10:58 | however when I make a successful login I always get a segmentation fault error
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| 10:58 | strange thing is ...
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| 10:58 | when I try to run it on another linux box, it works wonders
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| 10:58 | I even logged in via ssh from another box
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| 10:59 | and the rdesktop worked
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| 10:59 | can anybody help me out?
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| 10:59 | thnx!
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| 11:00 | <Gadi> paavum: you get the segfault on the thin client?
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| 11:03 | <blinky_ghost> hi can anybody tell me if it's possible yet to autologon on ldm?
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> blinky_ghost: i don't think without hacking it
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| 11:04 | blinky_ghost: you could try sdm, which does support autologin
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| 11:04 | blinky_ghost: or gdm also can be configured to support remote autologin
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| 11:04 | <paavum> yes
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| 11:04 | Gadi... yes
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| 11:05 | <blinky_ghost> vangrantc, how do I activate it on sdm?
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| 11:06 | <vagrantc> sdm does require a little tweaking of the config file to get sound and localdev working
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> paavum: perhaps you are running out of memory
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| 11:07 | <blinky_ghost> do you have a howto or something?
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| 11:07 | * vagrantc is looking | |
| 11:07 | <paavum> Gadi ... dont think so ... I have 1.5 Gb RAM and only about 5 clients running firefox only with ICEWM
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> paavum: are you running rdesktop *on* the thinclient or on the server?
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| 11:08 | <paavum> on the server
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> ah, thats different
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| 11:08 | <paavum> :$
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:08 | <paavum> Kinda missed the "on" the first time :P:P
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| 11:10 | <vagrantc> blinky_ghost: for autologin with sdm ... install sdm on the server, and sdm-terminal on the thin-client ... configure /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/sdm/sdm.config with an ssh key, set autologin to yes, and add that key to your user(s) ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server
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| 11:10 | <paavum> Gadi ... so you have any ideas?
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> paavum: perhaps run strace onit
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| 11:11 | and see where it dies
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| 11:11 | are you logged in via ldm or XDMCP?
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| 11:11 | <blinky_ghost> vangrantc, does sdm support localdevices?
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| 11:11 | <vagrantc> blinky_ghost: configuring sound and localdev is a little more tricky ... think you need to play with sshopts and something else.
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| 11:12 | blinky_ghost: it doesn't support it out of the box, but you might just need to tweak the config file to get it to work.
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| 11:12 | <blinky_ghost> ok, thanks :)
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| 11:13 | <paavum> ldm
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| 11:13 | I think
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| 11:21 | <blinky_ghost> vagrantc, I tried to install sdm-terminal on chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 but says it doesn't exist
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 11:22 | <ogra> Gadi, hey
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| 11:22 | <blinky_ghost> vagrantc, nevermind, ubuntu replaced my sources.list :)
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> hey - if someone wanted to download feisty CD and have LTSP - which is the best approach: server or desktop?
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| 11:22 | <ogra> ubuntu doesnt replace anything on its own :)
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> does server do LTSP automagically?
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| 11:23 | <ogra> Gadi, desktop
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| 11:23 | no
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| 11:23 | neither does
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> and then apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 11:23 | <ogra> only edubutnu
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| 11:23 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> ok
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| 11:33 | <paavum> Gadi --> I now have the strace :/ it does not tell me much... perhaps you could take a look at it?
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| 11:37 | Another weird thing
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| 11:38 | I cant seem to connect to the pastebot from my thin client
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| 11:38 | <blinky_ghost> vangratc, what's the ssh key parameter I should put on sdm-config? id_dsa?
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> blinky_ghost: full path to the key
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| 11:39 | blinky_ghost: relative to /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:40 | i usually stick it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/sdm/autologin and then put /etc/sdm/autologin
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| 11:40 | <ogra> vagrantc, do we have a howto for that ?
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| 11:40 | blinky_ghost, if not, would you mind to wiki it for others ?
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| 11:41 | <blinky_ghost> ogra, sure. give me the link of the webpage
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| 11:42 | <ogra> wiki.ltsp.org :)
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> ogra: nope
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| 11:42 | * vagrantc would like to rewrite sdm soon | |
| 11:42 | <ogra> make it something like EnablingAutologinOnLTSP5 :)
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 11:42 | <ogra> vagrantc, how about merging ldm and sdm ;)
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| 11:43 | i'm planning a rewrite anyway
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: rewrite both, eh?
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| 11:43 | <ogra> nah pick the best from bth and merge :)
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> well, sounds like an idea.
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| 11:43 | <ogra> *both
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| 11:43 | lets talk it over in sevilla
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| 11:43 | * ogra makes a note for another spec to register | |
| 11:43 | <vagrantc> i do feel like ldm is a pretty but crippled sdm :)
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| 11:44 | <ogra> right and i feel ldm is pretty but limited *g*
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| 11:44 | * vagrantc has had a helluva a time with the maintainer for lessdisks and sdm | |
| 11:44 | <ogra> crippled sounds so hard
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 11:44 | limited in intention
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| 11:44 | by intention ...
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| 11:45 | <ogra> what about lessdisk ? i thought you wanted to let it die ?
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> i do!
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| 11:45 | <ogra> i just recently saw a bug in launcpad for it
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> there's 6 release-critical bugs on it, some of which are nearly 2 years old.
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> paavum: sounds like maybe there's a network problem on the server?
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| 11:45 | <ogra> we should probably wipe it from the archive in ubuntu :)
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> i found some RC bugs shortly after the release of sarge
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| 11:45 | ogra: as upstream, i would recommend not wasting your time on it.
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| 11:45 | <ogra> and point people to ltsp
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| 11:46 | indeed, but if people file bugs it means they use it
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> i filed a wishlist bug to remove lessdisks from debian... much like the RC bugs, no response from the maintainer
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| 11:46 | * ogra checks launchpad | |
| 11:46 | <vagrantc> i will explore force-orphaning it
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| 11:47 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lessdisks/
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| 11:47 | three bugs
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> ogra: if you can exclude packages from ubuntu that are badly broken in debian, i would do so.
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| 11:47 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lessdisks/+bug/96374
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| 11:47 | aha
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| 11:47 | its not istallable anyway
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| 11:49 | <vagrantc> at one point, i had considered making metapackages for lessdisks to ltsp migration, but now it's not even worth it
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| 11:51 | <ogra> i asked for removal, lets see if its not to late for feisty
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> http://bugs.debian.org/312402
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| 11:51 | ooops
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| 11:51 | wrong one
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| 11:52 | http://bugs.debian.org/389498
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| 11:52 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> they're related
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| 11:53 | several of the RC bugs were actually fixed upstream months before they were even reported in debian, yet for some reason jonas refused to update the packages.
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| 11:53 | <ogra> i love the linking feature in LP :)
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| 11:53 | now they are connected
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| 12:03 | <ogra> vagrantc, <pitti_> ogra: because the debian bug is not against ftp.debian.org, thus it's not a removal bug
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| 12:03 | from #ubuntu-devel :)
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 12:04 | well, at the time i figured i'd file the bug in a way to give the maintainer a chance to comment, and figure out how to do it properly later :)
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| 12:06 | <paavum> Umm can you guys help me get a local bluetooth device working?
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| 12:07 | * vagrantc will play with sdm later too | |
| 12:07 | <ogra> vagrantc, its gone :)
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| 12:07 | at least from ubuntu
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| 12:09 | <blinky_ghost> ogra, I can't edit the wiki says I don't have permission
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| 12:09 | <ogra> you need to create a user accuont i guess
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| 12:10 | <blinky_ghost> done that, but it says i can't edit webhome
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| 12:10 | <ogra> webhome sounds like the startpage
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| 12:10 | <paavum> Umm can you guys help me get a local bluetooth device working?
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| 12:12 | <newsflash> Hi! I've just set up my ltsp server, but can't get x to work on the client. My /home/thinclient/.xsession-errors says Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: any ideas?
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| 12:12 | <ogra> blinky_ghost, try that one http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/edit/Ltsp/Ltsp5Autologin
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| 12:13 | newsflash, ltsp5 ?
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| 12:13 | or 4.2
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| 12:13 | <newsflash> 4.2
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| 12:13 | <blinky_ghost> ogra, Topic is locked by another user
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| 12:13 | <ogra> hmm, with 4.2 you must have a DISPLAY at the point where you log in ...
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| 12:14 | <blinky_ghost> must log off
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| 12:14 | :)
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| 12:14 | <ogra> blinky_ghost, oh, thats me i was trying the link ...
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| 12:14 | should be fine now
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| 12:14 | (i canceled)
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| 12:15 | newsflash, thats pretty weird ... how did you get to the point where *anything* writes to .xsession-errors without having DISPLAY set ... are you sure thats from the current login attempt ?
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| 12:16 | <newsflash> yeah, I removed everything else from the file and tried to log in
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| 12:16 | <ogra> but you get a GDM screen on the client ?
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| 12:17 | <newsflash> yeah, I get the login screen, but when I enter username and password I get a black screen and then it goes back to prompting for username
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| 12:17 | <ogra> and you are 100% sure thats ltsp 4.2 ???
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| 12:17 | sounds very much like ltsp5
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| 12:18 | <newsflash> I thought I was :-) How would I check that?
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| 12:18 | <ogra> i think 4.2 has /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version or so ...
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| 12:18 | or ltsp_version
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| 12:19 | <blinky_ghost> ogra, ok, done
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| 12:19 | <ogra> ltsp5 should have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_chroot
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| 12:19 | <BadMagic> hey all
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| 12:19 | <ogra> blinky_ghost, thanks a lot in the name of upcoming users :)
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| 12:21 | <newsflash> hmm. mine dosen't seem to have either :-)
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| 12:22 | <ogra> well do you have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup ? thats a clear ltsp5 file
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| 12:22 | (and your client wouldnt boot without it in ltsp5)
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| 12:22 | <ogra> not sure when we added /etc/ltsp_chroot ...
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| 12:23 | <newsflash> I do in fact have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
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| 12:23 | <ogra> aha, thats ltsp5
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| 12:23 | <newsflash> ok, sorry for the confusion
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| 12:23 | <ogra> so make sure your ssh server supports X11Forwarding
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| 12:23 | ltsp5 uses ssh insetad of unsafe XDMCP forwarding
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| 12:24 | <newsflash> ok, it seems like openssh is installed
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| 12:24 | <BadMagic> anyone else using the diskless workstation's ltsp term-150? I can't remember for the life of me what the key stroke is to get into the bios....
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| 12:24 | <ogra> BadMagic, i got it here but have not touched the BIOS since a year or so ... same prob :)
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| 12:25 | jammcq would know ...
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| 12:25 | * BadMagic looking up docs on disklessworkstation site.... | |
| 12:25 | <ogra> but he's still travelling i guess
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| 12:25 | newsflash, make sure your sshd_config file has: "X11Forwarding yes"
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| 12:27 | <newsflash> yep, it does
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| 12:29 | <ogra> ad if you try: ssh -X thinclient@<serverip> xterm
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| 12:29 | from a different workstation ...
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| 12:29 | does that work ?
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| 12:30 | <IRCzito> ogra I'm no so god in englhis, but if I understand, Scot say to me subscribers on lts-dev list, but on ltsp page i only see Ltsp-discuss.
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| 12:32 | <ogra> ltsp-developer@lists.sourceforge.net i guess
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| 12:32 | <IRCzito> thanks :D
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| 12:32 | <ogra> should be on SF
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| 12:32 | <paavum> Uhhh can anybody tell me how to add Bluetooth support to the ltsp kernel?
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| 12:32 | seems like it does not have
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| 12:32 | :$
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| 12:32 | I am using the debian tarball
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| 12:32 | <ogra> paavum, the ubuntu kernel has the modules by default
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| 12:33 | but we dont install the userspace tools
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| 12:33 | <paavum> ogra... yes but then local apps wont work :(
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| 12:33 | <ogra> bluez-blah
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| 12:33 | dunno the names ...
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| 12:34 | paavum, ??
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| 12:34 | <paavum> ogra ... thats why I downloaded the debian one :P
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| 12:34 | <ogra> the tarballs are identical ...
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| 12:34 | <paavum> couldn't even get the package manager to work :(
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| 12:34 | <ogra> only the packages differ and the ubuntu one is a bit advanced (localdev by default, alsa sound) because debian had a long freeze phase
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| 12:35 | i.e. the debian one should be identical to the edgy tarball ...
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| 12:37 | <paavum> ogra... the other thing is
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| 12:37 | when I ssh to my thin client
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| 12:38 | I cant get apt working
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| 12:38 | I can get it working with chroot
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| 12:38 | but not when I ssh to the client
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| 12:38 | <ogra> indeed you cant
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| 12:38 | <paavum> y?
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| 12:38 | <ogra> your / is readonly
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| 12:39 | <paavum> d'oh!
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| 12:39 | <ogra> also any changes you would make would be lost on reboot
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| 12:39 | you *need* to make your changes in the chroot
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| 12:39 | <paavum> ok so if I do chroot /ltsp
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| 12:40 | and then I run dmesg
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| 12:40 | <ogra> you can apt-get what you like
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| 12:40 | dmesg wont give you anything intresting there
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| 12:40 | i.e. only the servers desg output
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| 12:41 | Üdmesg
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| 12:41 | ga
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| 12:41 | h
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| 12:41 | *dmesg
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| 12:41 | <paavum> ok... so ... I come back to my initial Q... can you help me get bluetooth running on my thin client plz?
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| 12:41 | <ogra> well, you need the kernel modules
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| 12:41 | make sure they are loaded ...
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| 12:41 | <paavum> what am I looking for>
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| 12:41 | ?
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| 12:42 | <ogra> and install the userspace tools bluez-*
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| 12:42 | no idea
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| 12:42 | i have no bluetooh devices ...
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| 12:42 | <paavum> cuz I read I had to patch the kernel
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| 12:42 | <ogra> and even if i had any i wouldnt have to care, i know it works out of the box in ubuntu
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| 12:43 | <paavum> :/
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| 12:43 | ok lemme try the ubuntu one
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| 12:44 | <ogra> take the feisty one ... and install the bluez-* packages in the chroot after installing
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| 12:44 | s/installing/unpacking/
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| 12:45 | not sure if you need to add anything to /etc/modules in the chroot, usually udev should take care and not bother you with such stuff
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| 12:45 | <paavum> I have the ubuntu 6.10
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| 12:45 | i think thats edgy, right?
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| 12:45 | <ogra> yes
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| 12:45 | <ogra> i'd take feisty
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| 12:45 | <paavum> ok
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| 12:45 | <ogra> especially if you care about sounds support
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| 12:45 | *sound
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| 12:45 | <paavum> ok
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| 12:46 | <ogra> feisty uses the new alsa emulation .... so apps are more happy :)
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| 12:46 | <paavum> ogra... is there any support for microphones yet?
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| 12:47 | so I can run a softphone on the server?
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| 12:47 | <ogra> technically yes ... but not implemented in any automatic way
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| 12:47 | that will be in the october release
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| 12:47 | <paavum> can a script be made to add that kind of support?
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| 12:48 | <ogra> you need to fiddle with pulseaudio on the client side and set up the alsa emulation on the server to read from the pulse device
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| 12:48 | <blinky_ghost> vagrantc, I'm not having autologin success with sdm, if I disable autologin, it asks for a passwd then kills the session
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| 12:48 | <ogra> there is no automatic setup yet for the input side of things
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| 12:49 | blinky_ghost, i suspect you need to enable passwordless logins on the shh server
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| 12:49 | <paavum> ogra ... I'm trying to get a BT headset working for a softphone... would it be too hard to get it set up with ur help?
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| 12:50 | <blinky_ghost> ogra, but it doesn't work autologin disabled either
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| 12:50 | <paavum> (feisty 20% done)
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| 12:50 | <ogra> given that i'm just preparing for a release and am very busy i'd suggest to wait until next week if you want more help from my side :)
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| 12:51 | roughtly a pulseaudio howto should help you
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| 12:51 | <blinky_ghost> ogra, is there any hack that allows autologin with ldm?
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| 12:51 | <ogra> blinky_ghost, not yet
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| 12:51 | we'll work out something at the ubuntu developer summit in sevilla next month
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| 12:51 | so it should be ready for october
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| 12:58 | <newsflash> finally found my laptop... got an xterm xt error: can't open display xterm: Display is not set. When entering ssh -X thinclient@<serverip> xterm
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| 12:58 | <ogra> so fix your ssh server setup :)
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| 13:00 | <newsflash> ok, so the error is in my ssh server config?
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| 13:00 | <ogra> right
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| 13:00 | if the command you just tried works all is fine and ltsp will work as well
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| 13:05 | <newsflash> ok, thanks I'll do some research of what my ssh config should look like then
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| 13:06 | <tiagovaz> newsflash, maybe "X11Forwarding yes" ?
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| 13:07 | <newsflash> I checked that
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| 13:07 | <ogra> was it set ?
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| 13:07 | <newsflash> yes
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| 13:08 | <tiagovaz> :\
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| 13:08 | <ogra> weird ...
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| 13:08 | what distro is that ?
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| 13:09 | <tiagovaz> newsflash, I'm not sure if you need to reload the server...
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| 13:09 | <newsflash> ubuntu 6.06
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| 13:09 | <ogra> he server ?
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| 13:09 | the
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| 13:09 | <newsflash> no
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| 13:09 | <tiagovaz> sshd
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| 13:09 | <ogra> whats the server for a distro ?
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| 13:11 | <newsflash> I guess it's just regulat Ubuntu 6.06 LTS dapper
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| 13:12 | *regular
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| 13:13 | <kwaping> is there any documentation regarding quoting of parameter values in lts.conf?
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| 13:13 | <ogra> well, on dapper it should work out of the box with the default sshd setup ...
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| 13:16 | <tiagovaz> newsflash, which value do you see in $DISPLAY?
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| 13:16 | <newsflash> umh.. where?
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| 13:17 | <ogra> drop the xtrem from the test command and you get a terminal login ... then run "echo $DISPLAY" there
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| 13:17 | *xterm
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| 13:19 | <blinky_ghost> kwaping, check this file /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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| 13:20 | <kwaping> thanks blinky_ghost
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| 13:20 | <newsflash> I didn't get anything
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| 13:20 | <ogra> newsflash, no login prompt asking for your password ?
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| 13:21 | <newsflash> well, I logged in allright, but when I ran echo $DISPLAY all I got was a blank line
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| 13:21 | <ogra> so DISPLAY isnt set
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| 13:22 | <kwaping> that file doesn't exist on my system (sysadmin must have done some trimming), is it online anywhere?
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| 13:22 | <ogra> thats very weird ...
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| 13:22 | kwaping, that file is an ltsp5 file ... you probably use 4.2
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| 13:22 | for that look on wiki.ltsp.org
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| 13:22 | <kwaping> ah ok, thanks... how do I confirm which version I'm using?
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| 13:23 | also, I'm familiar with http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf but that doesn't have any information regarding parameter value quote rules
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| 13:26 | <cliebow_> if ypu look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version..
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| 13:27 | <kwaping> great thanks, it's 4.2 update 3
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| 13:27 | <ltsppbot> "kwaping" pasted "this is the conf I'm trying to use, with no luck" (26 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/102
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| 13:28 | <ogra> looks ok to me n a first look
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| 13:28 | <ogra> whats not working =
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| 13:28 | ?
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| 13:29 | <kwaping> the client complains about a lot of things and won't ever make it to the end of the boot process
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| 13:29 | I wish I could paste it but I can't :(
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| 13:29 | but basically, if that looks okay to you, I might have to start exploring other areas besides the quoting
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| 13:30 | <ogra> is the client the ollie test one ?
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| 13:30 | <kwaping> what I'm doing is intercepting the request for lts.conf and making a call to a perl script, which queries a daemon on another server for config params stored in a database
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| 13:30 | <ogra> or a different one ?
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| 13:30 | <kwaping> yes Ollie Test
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| 13:30 | <ogra> wat happens if you comment that entry ?
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| 13:31 | <kwaping> the remote daemon script builds the lts.conf contents on the fly and delivers them to the client,w hich stores it inside /tmp/lts.conf
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| 13:31 | <ogra> uh
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| 13:31 | <kwaping> unfortunately, I can't see what's really in /tmp/lts.conf because the boot process doesn't finish :(
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| 13:32 | <ogra> whats the purpose of generatig it on the fly ?
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| 13:32 | <kwaping> but that's the output from the client run locally on my box
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| 13:32 | <cliebow_> kwaping: so yuo have tweaked screen.d/startx/starx
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| 13:32 | <kwaping> so non-technical people can add and remove devices via a web interface (warehouse workers)
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| 13:33 | cliebow_: not sure what the sysadmin has done, but I personally didn't
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| 13:33 | <ogra> sounds like you were better off with ltsp5 ... which doesnt need lts.conf
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| 13:33 | it only uses it to override autodetected values ...
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| 13:33 | <kwaping> hmm interesting... is the upgrade a painless one?
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| 13:34 | <kwaping> oh wow, so someone could just plug in a device, say a usb printer, and reboot to have it autodetected?
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| 13:34 | <ogra> thats how it works in ubuntus tsp5 ... not sure about debians
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| 13:34 | * kwaping makes a note to read up on ltsp5 | |
| 13:34 | <ogra> *ltsp5
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| 13:35 | but there is no upgrade path ... ltsp5 is a new implementation and totally different to 4.x
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| 13:35 | <kwaping> if the upgrade is painless, I might be able to make a case for it
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| 13:35 | but this stuff is mission-critical and can't afford hardly any downtime
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| 13:35 | well thank you for the pointer, I'll definitely explore that
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| 13:35 | <ogra> depending on your distro ... you either can use ltsp-build-client (ubuntu and debian) or use one of the tarballs from the wiki
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| 13:36 | just backup the old /opt/ltsp dir and unpack the tarball ... if it doesnt make you happy, revert it :)
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| 13:36 | * kwaping is nervous | |
| 13:36 | <kwaping> I'll research it :)
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| 13:38 | <cliebow_> kwaping: i have like six different chroot systems on my server..
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| 13:39 | <kwaping> I'm going to try removing the mac-specific config first, just to be sure
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| 13:39 | <tiagovaz> newsflash, should see something like "localhost:xx.x"
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| 13:40 | <newsflash> in response to echo $display ?
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| 13:41 | <ogra> yes
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| 13:41 | <ogra> but its echo $DISPLAY
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| 13:41 | not $display
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| 13:42 | <newsflash> right, well I tried $DISPLAY too...
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| 13:46 | so, this means that the x forwarding is not working?
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| 13:47 | <tiagovaz> newsflash, I guess so
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| 13:47 | <ogra> right
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| 13:47 | <tiagovaz> newsflash, please show me this output: echo $SSH_CLIENT
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| 13:47 | <ogra> in ubuntu the DISPLAY should usually be set to localhost:11 by default
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| 13:48 | <tiagovaz> newsflash, it it is something like 127.0.0.1 40620 22, try to run: "DISPLAY=localhost:10.0 xterm"
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| 13:49 | <ogra> and given that the default sshd_config enables X forwarding ... you probably should try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall openssh-server
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| 13:49 | to justget the defaults back
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| 13:50 | <tiagovaz> newsflash, and give us this result: "grep X /etc/ssh/sshd_config"
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| 13:51 | newsflash, you should see:
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| 13:51 | X11Forwarding yes
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| 13:51 | X11DisplayOffset 10
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| 13:51 | <ogra> right
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| 13:52 | <tiagovaz> Guaraldo, hey
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| 13:53 | Guaraldo, have you solved your USB problem?
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| 13:55 | <kwaping> no luck commenting out the local config, but at least I have some error messages for you now
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| 13:56 | <Guaraldo> tiagovaz: Yep...
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| 13:56 | <tiagovaz> Guaraldo, :) then help me later
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| 13:56 | <Guaraldo> tiagovaz: if u prefer talk in portuguese, lets go to #ltsp-br
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| 13:57 | <newsflash> umh.. sorry, my router shut down on me. Someone wanted me to run echo echo $ssh client or something like that?
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| 13:57 | <tiagovaz> Guaraldo, ok, new channel for me
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| 13:58 | newsflash, it it is something like 127.0.0.1 40620 22, try to run: "DISPLAY=localhost:10.0 xterm"
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| 13:58 | newsflash, and give us this result: "grep X /etc/ssh/sshd_config"
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| 13:58 | <Guaraldo> tiagovaz: yeah, pretty new... was made by Scotty during FISL8
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| 13:58 | <tiagovaz> you should see:
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| 13:58 | <tiagovaz> X11Forwarding yes
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| 13:58 | <tiagovaz> X11DisplayOffset 10
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| 13:58 | Guaraldo, :)
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| 13:59 | <ltsppbot> "kwaping" pasted "retyping of some error messages from boot" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/103
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| 14:01 | <ogra> looks like your chroot is quite broken ... but i may be wrong ... i'm only doing ltsp5
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| 14:02 | <kwaping> hmm
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| 14:02 | we're using a read-only NFS mount as our filesystem (/tmp is writable)
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| 14:03 | <newsflash> OK, when I ran DISPLAY=localhost:10.0 xterm I got xterm Xt error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0, and X11 Forwaring yes X11DisplayOffset 10 both showed up
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| 14:04 | <ogra> kwaping, thats fine
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| 14:04 | i rather mean the contents ...
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| 14:04 | looks like it doesnt find the right sound module and as if your screen scripts are missing completely
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| 14:05 | but as i said, i may be wrong here, i'm not to good in the old version ...
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| 14:06 | just setting DISPLAY=localhost:10.0 wont give you the sshd proxing ...
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| 14:06 | *proxying
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| 14:06 | its an ssh thing you cant solve by just setting an environment variable
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| 14:06 | <tiagovaz> hmmm right
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| 14:07 | <kwaping> hmm
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| 14:07 | well thanks for your help ogra, I'll continue with my research of ltsp5
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| 14:08 | <ogra> oki ... feel free to ask here if you have questions
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| 14:08 | there he goes ...
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| 14:10 | <tiagovaz> newsflash, sorry, I can't understand why your ssh client has not set the display :(
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| 14:10 | <ogra> me neither ....
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| 14:11 | can you pastebin your whole sshd_config file ?
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| 14:11 | <newsflash> will do
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| 14:11 | <ogra> jammcq, !!
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| 14:12 | <jammcq> hey ogra
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| 14:12 | finally made it home from Brazil
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| 14:12 | <ogra> finally a familiar IP on your nnme again
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| 14:12 | :)
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| 14:12 | *name
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| 14:12 | <tiagovaz> jammcq, no problem with airports in Brazil?
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| 14:13 | <jammcq> tiagovaz: Sao Paulo was VERY crowded
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| 14:13 | <ogra> jammcq, i'm heavily fighting with mdz, he's not happy about the idea of an ubuntu-thin-client-server.iso
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| 14:13 | <jammcq> but we got through without too much trouble
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| 14:13 | <tiagovaz> jammcq, ugh, I see
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| 14:13 | <ogra> but he said i should spec it at least for UDS ...
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| 14:14 | so think about some good reasons why we should have such an iso :)
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| 14:14 | to convince him
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| 14:14 | <jammcq> ogra: I dunno what the ubuntu-thin-client-server.iso is
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| 14:14 | <ogra> jammcq, my pan is to drop the first edubuntu CD and make it a plain ubuntu think client server install ... then move all edubuntu parts to the second CD
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| 14:14 | *plan
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| 14:15 | s/think/thin/
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| 14:15 | that CD could then have a menu like:
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| 14:15 | 1. install a thin client server
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| 14:15 | 2. install a thin client kiosk
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| 14:15 | <ltsppbot> "newsflash" pasted "sshd_config" (77 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/104
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| 14:15 | <ogra> 3. install a fat client server
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| 14:16 | <newsflash> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/104
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| 14:16 | <ogra> 4. install a thin client/asterisk callcenter
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| 14:16 | etc etc
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| 14:16 | * jammcq wonders why newsflash is pasting things here | |
| 14:16 | <tiagovaz> ogra, stratus is doing something very similar for Sacix project, do you know?
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| 14:17 | <ogra> tiagovaz, nope, i havent talkes do stratus since ages
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| 14:17 | <tiagovaz> jammcq, he has some problem with his sshd server
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| 14:17 | <ogra> my point is that i want to get rid of the edubuntu CD and make edubuntu be an addon product only
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| 14:17 | in favor of having an officially commercially supported ubuntu CD
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| 14:18 | <jammcq> ogra: is edubuntu not commerically supported ?
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| 14:18 | <ogra> jammcq, it is, indeed
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| 14:18 | ltsp is as well
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| 14:18 | but i'd like to have a thin client dedicated CD :)
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| 14:19 | we have many many users that seem to take edubuntu because of the ease of the ltsp install and then wipe off the edubuntu-desktop stuff to get an ubuntu
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| 14:19 | since i think thats silly i'd opt for a ubuntu ltsp CD and have edubuntu as an addon
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| 14:20 | <tiagovaz> ogra, http://sacix.org.br/browser/mirror/sacix/pacotes
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| 14:21 | <ogra> thats intresting, why does he use my commit messages ? but rewrites the committer name ?
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| 14:21 | <tiagovaz> ogra, tasks for different projects here in BR
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| 14:21 | ogra, uoh!
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| 14:21 | <ogra> no, i mean thats my commits :) at leats it looks like :)
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| 14:21 | ah, no
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| 14:22 | its different he just recently added the ltsp-sound file ... we have that since two releases :)
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| 14:22 | but the commit msg looks identical :)
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| 14:22 | <tiagovaz> ogra, ahahah
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| 14:23 | :)
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| 14:23 | <ogra> he seems ot do a lot of development, i wonder why he doesnt commit that upstream
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| 14:23 | vagrantc, sbalneav and i would surely use it ...
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| 14:24 | do you know, did stratus and sbalneav meet at FISL ?
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| 14:25 | <jammcq> who is stratus ?
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| 14:25 | <ogra> debian developer
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| 14:25 | <jammcq> we met with Otavio
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| 14:25 | <ogra> he does as well do some stuff on debian edu iirc
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| 14:28 | <tiagovaz> ogra, stratus was not there
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| 14:29 | <ogra> ah, sad
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| 14:30 | <ogra> hmm, hes also not in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Attendees ...
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| 14:30 | <tiagovaz> ogra, Sacix is a 'real' CDD, they should send patches to upstreams
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| 14:30 | <ogra> right :)
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| 14:30 | especially for ltsp ;)
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| 14:32 | newsflash, KeepAlive should be TCPKeepAlive
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| 14:33 | <tiagovaz> yes
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| 14:33 | <ogra> apart from that the file looks good
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| 14:33 | <newsflash> ok, thanks
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| 14:34 | * ogra goes to watch some TV ... and relax ... 12h of work are enough for one day ... | |
| 14:36 | <tiagovaz> :)
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| 14:41 | <mhterres> hey jammcq
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| 14:41 | <jammcq> marcelo!! Hey
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| 14:42 | <mhterres> how was your travel ?
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| 14:47 | <jammcq> mhterres: it was uneventful, which is what you want, when flying :)
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| 14:47 | <mhterres> yeah, off course :-)
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| 14:47 | heheeh
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| 14:48 | We think you could have problems, cause the NY airport was closed, isn't it ?
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| 14:48 | <jammcq> that was monday morning
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| 14:48 | <mhterres> yep
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| 14:48 | <jammcq> everything was all cleared up this morning
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| 14:48 | <mhterres> but we think that it could make some delays in the flights
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| 14:50 | <jammcq> just minor delays this morning
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| 14:50 | nothing much to worry about
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| 15:00 | <jarhed> hello
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| 15:01 | anyone out there?
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| 15:05 | <mhterres> jammcq http://picasaweb.google.com/mhterres/Fisl8
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| 15:06 | <jarhed> help
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| 15:08 | hello
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| 15:08 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Hi, Jim... How are you?
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| 15:10 | <jammcq> Guaraldo: doing great, how about you?
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| 15:10 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Just fine...
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| 15:10 | <jarhed> hello
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| 15:11 | <Guaraldo> hello, jarhed...
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| 15:11 | <jarhed> wondering if someone could help me
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| 15:11 | <Guaraldo> jarhed: what's up???
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| 15:11 | <jarhed> I have a problem installing LTSP on ubuntu
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| 15:11 | the ubuntu channel was little help
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| 15:11 | <Guaraldo> jarhed: witch version?
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| 15:11 | <jarhed> i installed the standalone version via apt
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| 15:12 | <Guaraldo> jarhed: Ok... and whats happening???
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| 15:12 | <mhterres> jarhed, what Ubuntu version ?
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| 15:12 | <jarhed> after running ltsp-build-client script ... it terminates abnormally
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| 15:12 | edgy
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| 15:13 | last error is creating /dev/fd link ... already exists
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| 15:14 | <jammcq> jarhed: sounds like your Ubuntu isn't up to date
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| 15:14 | that problem was fixed several weeks ago
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| 15:15 | <jarhed> its a fresh install // apt-get upgrade and all
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| 15:15 | <jammcq> what distro?
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| 15:15 | <jarhed> ubuntu - edgy
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| 15:16 | although...is in the universe or multiverse repo??
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| 15:17 | <jammcq> hmm, I saw that problem on Feisty. Dunno if there was/is a problem in edgy
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| 15:17 | <jarhed> should I uncomment the universe/multi repo??
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| 15:18 | <jammcq> no
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| 15:18 | that won't give you anything different
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| 15:18 | <jarhed> ok.
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| 15:18 | <jammcq> that only enables more packages. it doesn't change the version of the packages that you get
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| 15:19 | <jarhed> does it work in fiesty?
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| 15:19 | for ubuntu
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| 15:19 | <jammcq> yes
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| 15:19 | it's been fixed in feisty
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| 15:19 | <Guaraldo> jarhed: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade
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| 15:19 | <jammcq> I didn't know if it was a problem in edgy
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| 15:20 | could have been a completely different issue
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| 15:20 | <jarhed> is aptitude different than apt?
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| 15:20 | cuz apt doesn't show any available.
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| 15:21 | when is fiesty official?
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| 15:23 | <Guaraldo> jarhed: aptitude is a frontend made to use APT protocol. apt-get is a concept test of APT protocol...
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| 15:41 | <paavum> Hello ")
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| 15:41 | :)
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| 15:42 | Gadi --> Sorry, my comp rebooted last time and I had to attend to a meeting :s...
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| 15:42 | Anyway, just downloaded the feisty tarball and installed it
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| 15:43 | however it seems like apt-get wont work :s
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| 15:46 | <paavum> nah it was a resolv.conf issue
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| 15:58 | now I cant seem to login :s
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| 15:58 | I get the login screen
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| 15:59 | I enter the right user/pass and I get dumped right back to the login screen
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| 16:00 | I should be running /usr/bin/icewm... but nothing happens :s
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| 16:01 | Anybody?
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| 16:24 | <paavum> helloooo?
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| 17:09 | <kwaping> any ltsp5 experts available?
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| 17:14 | <paavum> he's dead
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| 17:20 | <cliebow> ogra has already doen a 14 hour day
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| 17:21 | <cliebow> jahred:for the hell of it..at a terminal dpkg -l|grep ltesp-server
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| 17:21 | ltsp-server
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| 17:23 | <jarhed> cliebow: ii ltsp-server ii ltsp-server-standalone
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| 17:23 | <cliebow> what version?
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| 17:24 | .124?
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| 17:24 | <jarhed> yes
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| 17:24 | both
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| 17:25 | <cliebow> sosmehow an error crept in there..dont know if i can find the correction
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| 17:26 | <jarhed> it's the first time i tried with ubuntu // I may try the edubuntu version just to get it to work until fiesty
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| 17:26 | <cliebow> have to g et the eother laptop
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| 17:26 | maybe best..since i am not much on ltsp4
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| 17:26 | maybe best..since i am not much on ltsp5..
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| 17:27 | <jarhed> is this the recommended package to use? the ubuntu ltsp-standalone?
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| 17:27 | <cliebow> it is..ltsp-server-st tandalone..feisty[s is far refined
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| 17:28 | <jarhed> what i am reading ( which is called meukow)
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| 17:28 | when is fiesty official?
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| 17:28 | <cliebow> edubuntu has the first production version of the muekow spec..(build a chroot from native binaries)
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| 17:28 | 19th maybe..
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| 17:29 | <jarhed> would there be much difference from an install today?
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| 17:30 | <yhan> Hi
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| 17:30 | <cliebow> if using feisty.. lots of refinements
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| 17:30 | <yhan> I know I got the answer yesterday, I've just lost mu buffer, but who ha experience with northtec products ?
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| 17:31 | <cliebow> i do a llittle..
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| 17:31 | nohrtec
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| 17:31 | <jarhed> which one should I download?
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| 17:31 | <cliebow> enough to know it was prohibiyive to buy one at a time
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| 17:32 | <yhan> that term looks intersting : http://www.norhtec.com/products/mcjr/index.html
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| 17:32 | <cliebow> if it were me id get feisty
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| 17:32 | <yhan> it's just $120
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| 17:32 | <cliebow> ive been running it for amonth or more..on voth ppc and i386
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| 17:32 | <yhan> how fast is it ?
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| 17:32 | <cliebow> plus 30 for shipping..plus 30 to wire them the money
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| 17:32 | i dont know..never did order one
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| 17:33 | <yhan> $30 for the money xfer ?
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| 17:33 | <cliebow> it was from Maine
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| 17:33 | <yhan> I'm in QC
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| 17:34 | <cliebow> i have the paperweork at schol still..
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| 17:34 | <yhan> but how usable is the terminal ?
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| 17:34 | <cliebow> i think jjim and ron were looking at adding em to disklessworkstataions..then got bogged down with a bot time issue
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| 17:35 | <yhan> the processor is only running at 200 mhz
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| 17:35 | <cliebow> i did talk to someone using them...boot was acceptable in 4.2..like 40 seconds..
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| 17:36 | <yhan> yeah but beyond the boot
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| 17:36 | usuability
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| 17:36 | <cliebow> well ..i am not sure,.i was hoping to try them out..but school wouldny buy one and i couldnt buy one for myself
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| 17:37 | on a 100 meg network quite sure they would be fine
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| 17:37 | i use lots of 200 and 233 cpus
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| 17:37 | <yhan> I have a couple of visara terms
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| 17:37 | <cliebow> junk maiine state library gave up on...and first national bank..
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| 17:37 | <yhan> those runs with a cyrix 233 mhz
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| 17:38 | and it's too slow
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| 17:41 | <cliebow> yhan:you need to talk to jammcq about them
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| 17:44 | <yhan> actually I've an old pc PII-400, it's much faster
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| 17:47 | <yhan> thks I will
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| 17:53 | <jjg> hi, i'm taking a look at some hardware on disklessworkstations.com and am wanting to know if it's possible to have a thin client boot an image that it gets from a peripheral ( i.e., usb drive ) or something like a boot rom. problem is that I'm wanting to use the thin clients in a cyber cafe that runs over satellite, but the bandwidth is too expensive to boot over the sat link. any ideas?
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| 17:55 | <cliebow> you nfs aand chatty x traffic will be a bandwidth problem wont it
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| 17:55 | <yhan> jjg install a local server
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| 17:56 | <jjg> cliebow : hmm, i think i am misunderstanding how it works ... i must have a terminalserver serving the apps?
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| 17:56 | yhan : i was thinking I might have to do that
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| 17:56 | <yhan> jjg, and yiou manage hte server through ssh and the sat link
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| 17:58 | <jjg> is there such a thing where i can get a diskless computer that runs its apps locally? I should say that I'm wanting to use the diskless cmoputers because they are cheaper and more secure
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| 18:00 | looks like i still need NFS for running apps locally
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| 18:03 | do you guys thing that what I'm doing is misguided?
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| 18:05 | <cliebow> across the internet is not ltsp's forte
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| 18:07 | <cliebow> ltsp by def is getting an x session on a server...and a root filesystem via nfs
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| 18:07 | <jjg> cliebow : all i need to do is run firefox locally. I'm seeing that this is possible, but it sill looks like i need a terminal server. I'm trying to avoid that. I wish I could flash a rom with my distro
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| 18:07 | cliebow : yah, i'm seeing that, now
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| 18:07 | <cliebow> that can certainly be done..it is not ltsp..you need to think about homedirs
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| 18:08 | the besuty of ltsp is centralized management
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| 18:08 | put a new program on just thserver and all clients get it immediatley
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| 18:08 | <jjg> i see
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| 18:09 | offhand, do you know of some hardware that will allow me to flash a rom with my distro?
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| 18:19 | <yhan> jjg a usb key works nicely
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| 18:19 | knoppix can be installed easily on a usb key
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| 18:21 | <jjg> yhan ... that's a thought ... these shops are unattended, so i guess i could put the key in ... and put an enclosure around the hardware
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| 18:21 | i was just looking at these $199.00 New Internet Computers
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| 18:21 | i don't they are made anymore
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| 18:22 | any recommendations on some good cheap hardware?
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| 18:24 | <yhan> jjg I'm in the same point as you are
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| 18:24 | I'm looking for cheap hardware too
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| 18:24 | <jjg> the cheapest i've found is $280
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| 18:24 | on disklessworkstations.com
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| 18:25 | <yhan> http://www.norhtec.com/products/mcjr/index.html
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| 18:26 | https://www.solarpc.com/catalog/
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| 18:26 | <jjg> this looks good
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| 18:27 | i remember seeing these on linuxdevices.com
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| 18:27 | do you know anyone that has used these?
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| 18:34 | I just ordered one
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| 18:37 | too bad you can only get an eval or buy in batches of 1000 or more :O(
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| 18:58 | <yhan> some folks told me the via based machines works great
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| 18:58 | like solarpc machines
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| 19:55 | <jammcq> hello all
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| 19:55 | <cliebow> jammcq1!!!!
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| 19:57 | <jammcq> hey Mr. Chuck
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| 20:01 | <cliebow> safe and sound i see!!
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| 20:01 | the old timers on the island used to call me that ..gives me goosebumps
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| 20:04 | <cliebow> how did the eway 2300 clients come out..still booting slow?
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| 20:05 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 20:05 | I won't get a chance to work on that again, prolly until we get to Spain in May
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| 20:05 | <cliebow> their motherboards compare to the nohrtec?
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| 20:05 | <jammcq> same thing
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| 20:05 | nohrtec re-brands the e2300
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| 20:06 | <cliebow> so they make decent clients then...in edubvuntu?
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| 20:06 | <jammcq> well, they will, hopefully when we get the performance issue resolved
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| 20:06 | <cliebow> there have been sosme questionsa bout them..will ron pick em up?
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| 20:07 | <jammcq> yeah, we've got 1,000 on order
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| 20:07 | so that performance issue is rather important to us
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| 20:07 | we don't want people returning them for a refund
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| 20:07 | <cliebow> that is good news then..ill try to pas that oin..though i seem to stick foot in mouth trying to hrlp these days
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| 20:19 | yhan:did you catch that?
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| 22:31 | <phls> hi
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| 22:42 | <phls> I installed LTSP 4.2 and Etch on P4 3.0Ghz HT 2Gb RAM. I put just 1 client
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| 22:42 | mas gnome or qvwm is too slow
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| 22:42 | but gnome or qvwm is too slow
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| 22:43 | any software like firefox or any menu is too slow
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| 22:43 | do you know what is happing??
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